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This thread is to be used when conflicts between combatants cannot be resolved and an agreement cannot be reached. Only fight participants, sensei, and moderators can post here. Arguments are to first be made in VMs. Arguments made over Discord, or other messaging services, do not officially count as initial arguments. They must be done over VMs. After posting, Lord of Kaos will check each fight.

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Link to Fight: [Grand RP Tourney] - Serpent vs Delta
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Issue: Timeframe/Technique misuse
Your Reasoning of the Issue: Now that Delta agrees that his Sage Mode isn't a passive ability like he originally intended because his bio doesn't have the Sage Master specialty. This means he's now used two techniques at different timeframes to counter my one. A clear violation of the Timeframe rules. I lost ruling for this very reason when my Rinnegan activation wasn't passive. Sasori, Zat and Priest all agreed.
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The clear violation is with sage mode itself. Delta can't use another technique at the same time as using the instant activation for sage mode since well, It's instant. Besides that Sage Mode says that you cannot mold chakra while gathering senjutsu.. I know Wood Sage Mode is slightly different since it says:
"Unlike other variations of Sage mode, Wood release and its natural affinity towards Natural energy allows the user to gather natural energy more easily. While meditating the user is able to use Ninjutsu up to A rank of Wood release and its components. However, only techniques that employ shape manipulation can be used and the rate of conversion between Chakra and Senjutsu Chakra is 5% per turn (Sage mode activates at 10% reserve, requires uninterrupted meditation). The user can continue to use this ability once he enters Sage mode, to extend the duration but his techniques are not empowered. "
However the technique being used 'at the same time' is S-rank and thous cannot be used while gathering senjutsu. Not only is the rank of the technique higher then what would be allowed by sage mode, but the technique itself wouldn't be able to be boosted if he's converting senjutsu at the same time. I believe that since he is trying to use his wood technique at the same time as entering sage mode, the wood technique will fail. Causing him to be bound by the tar, electrocuted by the sixteen pillar, and then baked in it's oven. Another issue to note is the speed of attacks. My Tar forms from the ground he is standing on, and attacks him from directly below. He creates a forest outside the tar pit from 10m away after the tar has formed to reach out and grab him for escape. I don't see how his wood could move 10m in the time it would take my tar to move a couple feet. Also nothing in his technique says he can freely manipulate it like he does. The technique grows a forest, but doesn't say he can manipulate to the degree that the trees to reach out and grab him, then pull him backwards so freely.
 

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Link to Fight: [Grand RP Tourney] - Serpent vs Delta
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Issue: Timeframe/Technique misuse
Your Reasoning of the Issue: Now that Delta agrees that his Sage Mode isn't a passive ability like he originally intended because his bio doesn't have the Sage Master specialty. This means he's now used two techniques at different timeframes to counter my one. A clear violation of the Timeframe rules. I lost ruling for this very reason when my Rinnegan activation wasn't passive. Sasori, Zat and Priest all agreed.
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The clear violation is with sage mode itself. Delta can't use another technique at the same time as using the instant activation for sage mode since well, It's instant. Besides that Sage Mode says that you cannot mold chakra while gathering senjutsu.. I know Wood Sage Mode is slightly different since it says:
"Unlike other variations of Sage mode, Wood release and its natural affinity towards Natural energy allows the user to gather natural energy more easily. While meditating the user is able to use Ninjutsu up to A rank of Wood release and its components. However, only techniques that employ shape manipulation can be used and the rate of conversion between Chakra and Senjutsu Chakra is 5% per turn (Sage mode activates at 10% reserve, requires uninterrupted meditation). The user can continue to use this ability once he enters Sage mode, to extend the duration but his techniques are not empowered. "
However the technique being used 'at the same time' is S-rank and thous cannot be used while gathering senjutsu. Not only is the rank of the technique higher then what would be allowed by sage mode, but the technique itself wouldn't be able to be boosted if he's converting senjutsu at the same time. I believe that since he is trying to use his wood technique at the same time as entering sage mode, the wood technique will fail. Causing him to be bound by the tar, electrocuted by the sixteen pillar, and then baked in it's oven. Another issue to note is the speed of attacks. My Tar forms from the ground he is standing on, and attacks him from directly below. He creates a forest outside the tar pit from 10m away after the tar has formed to reach out and grab him for escape. I don't see how his wood could move 10m in the time it would take my tar to move a couple feet. Also nothing in his technique says he can freely manipulate it like he does. The technique grows a forest, but doesn't say he can manipulate to the degree that the trees to reach out and grab him, then pull him backwards so freely.
Firstly, Stop saying that. Not once have i ever argued that it was passive, go read my move, all my passives are in brackets next to the technique names, i dont know where you got this notion that i in any instance believed my SM was passive, you're just making up facts with this statement.

Secondly, you're Rinnegan example isn't even on the same spectrum as this, because the Rinnegan rules are clear as day in the technique
"Note: Requires activation ( spending move ) for Madara bios but remains active indefinetely afterwards if the user chooses to. After having a complete Madara bio with Rinnegan for 1 month, user becomes able to switch between both doujutsu without spending a move. User needs to have activated EMS before and had it active for 1 full turn. "(Note, you agreed in Discord that our bios use the same Rinnegan activation"
You're inability to read is what killed you in the example you're using, and for some weird reason you just assumed your bio was exempt from the rinnegan activation rules for whatever reason, with no real evidence to back the claim up in your own bio's specific rules, so stop using that as an example time and time again, when the two arnt even relevant to each other.

Thirdly, now you're quoting things from my Wood SM, which, on one hand you're right, yet on the other you're wrong. So, with the shape manipulation part, yes, while im Meditating, i can use A rank Wood Water and Earth release techniques, you are correct in that statement, however. The way i entered Sage mode is not through Meditation, it's through forceful Senjutsu conversion, which is not meditation in the slightest.
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  • Additionally, Perfect Sages possess the ability to instantly activate Sage mode without meditation with 10% of their maximum reserve as Senjutsu Chakra once per battle. Naruto Uzumaki bios are able to instantly activate with 20% of their maximum reserve and up to 50% of their reserve. He is also able to use Sage Mode with his Bijuu Modes, the effects stacking together barring speed increases.
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Read Bolded, WITHOUT MEDITATION, so i dont know what you're on about here about my using techniques while meditating, when im not meditating in the first place, so another Moot point on your end.

Fourth. Boosting issues. Ok, so, i enter SM instantly, re read that, Instantly. It's an instant activation, so it has no timeframe or speed element, because its literally instant, cannot be interrupted by anything through methods of speed. Now, lets read the part of my move where everything happens shall we

"As Raven Crunched down, in the same motion, she would bring her hands together, ready to form a handseal. At the same time as crushing the pill, Raven instantly and passively converted 10% of her now teaming Chakra reserves into Senjutsu, forcing herself into sage mode, however, due to the face on her chest, hidden under her garb, her face would not change like normal Sage mode users. "


Now, in my move, i keep the Timeframe very very very tight. As everything i do happens in one motion, it's an extremely tight list of actions, however, how everything in my move happens can be broken down quite easily. As my actions go, Pill>SM>Wood release. I crush the pill while my hands are in motion upwards towards my body to form the handseal. As soon as the pill is crushed, i INSTANTLY(remember, instantly)convert my chakra, which INSTANTLY(again, instantly, meaning faster than i can make a handseal) enter SM. As i enter SM, i finish forming my handseal, which completes my jutsu. It's a very tight list of actions, but, it has a set action list of how everything happens, even if it is very tight. So, my med pill and SM happen Before my wood release as per my move, yet all in the same time frame. Now, i know you're probably still looking at that part where i say "Instantly and passively" however, im STILL not talking about SM activation being passive, im merely talking about the chakra conversion portion, not the technique itself.

Now, onto the actual issue at hand, whether or not Sage mode can be used in the same Timeframe as another technique. As ive linked multiple times now, and shall link one further time, i give my example of Sasori's ruling on the Zatanna vs Lgeezy Fight.
https://animebase.me/threads/open-official-battle-keep-up.767663/#post-21926882

In this fight, Lgeezy Activates his Sage mode and Summons his spider at the same time. Serpent seems to believe that these actions are slightly seperated in the time frame, which would be possible the way Geezy has written his move, however, and thats the key word, "however". In Geezy's move, he states,

"At the same time however, Hotsuma would draw his own blood and wipe it across a summoning tattoo on his right hand. Which allowed him to summon one of his spiders to the battlefield. "

At the same time, however, is the key half sentence to his entire move. In his above paragraph, Geezy explains in detail how he enters SM and using the speed boost to freeform dodge Zatanna's Taijutsu actions. He uses this detail to properly dodge, but then in the second portion, he uses "At the same time, however" This wording means that, While Geezy is explaining his above paragraph about entering SM and dodging, he is also, at the same time, drawing blood summoning his spider. You can interpret that in whatever way you like, but it reads quite clearly that geezy is entering SM and summoning his spider, while at the same time freeform dodging Zatanna's Taijutsu assault. This is further backed up by Sasori in his grading notes

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Okay, so the first issue is that Zee thinks that LGeezy would not have summoned his Spider and entered Sage mode the same time. The issue with this is that Zee already responded to LGeezy’s post when he said: “ At the same time however, Hotsuma would draw his own blood and wipe it across a summoning tattoo on his right hand.”

Afterwards, Zee responded meaning she acknowledged that his attack went through. However, even if that was not the case LGeezy would have been able to pull of his move because Sage mode itself does not cost any chakra, so he could easily summon his spider at the same time as he entered it, but that does not matter in this case. "


First bold, Sasori backs up what i wrote above, about how, while Lgeezy's post is split, his intention was to summon the spider and enter SM at the same time/same timeframe, so Sasori is acknowledging the same fact i am quoting, being that Geezy attempts/Succeeds(as Zatanna responded)to Enter SM and summon a Spider in the same TF.

Second bold, Sasori further backs up my claims, by directly stating that even if Zatanna had an issue with it, it would not have mattered, as per his Ruling, Sage mode and Spider summon would have happened in the same time frame, due to the fact that, in Sasori's own words "sage mode requires no chakra so he could easily summon his spider at the SAME TIME as he entered SM"

This is a Moderators Final ruling judgment on the fight, so i have NO reason to believe this is not the case with Sage Mode. If Sasori is wrong, then its up to other mods to pick up on it and fix the mistake, However, as it stands right now, according to a Mods ruling in a fight, Sage mode can be activated, and have a separate technique used in the same time frame. This very ruling was the entire basis of my move, as before this, i did NOT believe i could use Sage Mode and a technique in the same time frame, due to how Wood SM reads that you can only use A ranks during meditation, and this conversion is not Meditation. So my move's validity is based solely around the grading which directly states that i can.

Lastly, im growing an entire forest, i control the entire forest and how it grows, every branch every leaf every flower, if i want to grow a few branches that protrude down and loop under me and forcefully pull me from tar i can, it's an entire forest, and wood release in its core basis is capable of advanced control over its techniques.
 
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Link to Fight: https://animebase.me/threads/grand-rp-tourney-broly-3-vs-riker-11.769256/#post-21949941
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Issue: My belief is that the 120 Damage barrier would cancel the Phantom Dragons,and block the tethering , leaving you hit with Jason's bullets for critical damage (60x2)
Your Reasoning of the Issue:
1) The wording in the Hungry Ghost and Black Sabbath technique you used is clear. Respectively they say

"Note: Surges or Barriers that utilize Yin, Yang, Yin-Yang or Natural Energy can break or prevent the tethering of the Hungry Ghost. "

and

"Note: Surges or Barriers that utilize Yin, Yin-Yang or Natural Energy of equal chakra can break or prevent the tethering of Black Sabbath "

If these are MEANT to say that you need pure senjutsu or techniques designed to purge Yin chakra (as Riker was arguing) then that is completely different from what the actual wording of the technique says, which is that barriers and surges merely only need to utilize Natural Energy.


Further adhering to these restrictions is the fact that Dark Magician attacked you with a barrier as seen by this text from the DM technique

" By slamming his staff on the ground he may erect a barrier around a target similar to "Sealing Technique: Three Directions Seal" "

And according to the Perfect Sage Mode technique I used, DM as well as any other techniques I use will utilize Natural Energy until the end of PSM

"To enter this form, a minimum of 10% of the user’s maximum chakra reserve must be moulded into Senjutsu chakra, all subsequent technique employ Senjutsu chakra until the minimum cost (-10/turn) cannot be paid to sustain the mode. "


So it seems pretty clear to me that this technique would break the tethering/prevent it from happening. I also have doubts about you using Black Sabbath on a Yin technique. BS says that it can be used on an elemental jutsu, and while Phantom Dragons may be infused with elemental chakra, I dont believe it counts as an Elemental technique due to being a yin tech. I'm not so sure on this though.

That being said, my belief is that the 120 Damage barrier would cancel the Phantom Dragons,and block the tethering , leaving you hit with Jason's bullets for critical damage (60x2)
 
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Link to Fight: https://animebase.me/threads/grand-rp-tourney-broly-3-vs-riker-11.769256/#post-21949941
Link to VM Conversation: https://animebase.me/members/joestar.70993/#profile-post-7519888
Issue: My belief is that the 120 Damage barrier would cancel the Phantom Dragons,and block the tethering , leaving you hit with Jason's bullets for critical damage (60x2)
Your Reasoning of the Issue:
1) The wording in the Hungry Ghost and Black Sabbath technique you used is clear. Respectively they say

"Note: Surges or Barriers that utilize Yin, Yang, Yin-Yang or Natural Energy can break or prevent the tethering of the Hungry Ghost. "

and

"Note: Surges or Barriers that utilize Yin, Yin-Yang or Natural Energy of equal chakra can break or prevent the tethering of Black Sabbath "

If these are MEANT to say that you need pure senjutsu or techniques designed to purge Yin chakra (as Riker was arguing) then that is completely different from what the actual wording of the technique says, which is that barriers and surges merely only need to utilize Natural Energy.


Further adhering to these restrictions is the fact that Dark Magician attacked you with a barrier as seen by this text from the DM technique

" By slamming his staff on the ground he may erect a barrier around a target similar to "Sealing Technique: Three Directions Seal" "

And according to the Perfect Sage Mode technique I used, DM as well as any other techniques I use will utilize Natural Energy until the end of PSM

"To enter this form, a minimum of 10% of the user’s maximum chakra reserve must be moulded into Senjutsu chakra, all subsequent technique employ Senjutsu chakra until the minimum cost (-10/turn) cannot be paid to sustain the mode. "


So it seems pretty clear to me that this technique would break the tethering/prevent it from happening. I also have doubts about you using Black Sabbath on a Yin technique. BS says that it can be used on an elemental jutsu, and while Phantom Dragons may be infused with elemental chakra, I dont believe it counts as an Elemental technique due to being a yin tech. I'm not so sure on this though.

That being said, my belief is that the 120 Damage barrier would cancel the Phantom Dragons,and block the tethering , leaving you hit with Jason's bullets for critical damage (60x2)
My reasoning of the issue is pretty simple. The note Broly is referring to in both the Hungry Ghost technique and mine indicate techniques that purge foreign energies or materials from the user. Surges are inherently meant to do so(clearing Genjutsu, for instance). Surges of chakra don't apply in physical jutsu clashes(in the case of things like creating a cloak of chakra, the surge itself isn't what protects you if something hits you). So I doubt the "surge" aspect is in reference to the physical clash between jutsu.

Barriers, being a form of Fuuinjutsu, are most used for their auxillary effects; most barriers will have auxillary effects with physical effects coming secondary or purely auxillary effects, with purely physical barriers being far lower in number than the former two types. Broly's barrier isn't doing anything in this move that a dome of Earth Release that closes in on me can't do, as its auxillary effects aren't in play in this situation.

It doesn't make sense that LoK or Reborn would give purely physical barriers infused with Senjutsu the ability to block the Ghost* because of these reasons. Why would a barrier be able to do so purely by clashing physically with the jutsu hosting the Ghost, but other solid, physical types of Ninjutsu like the basic elements or CEs don't even with NE added to them via Senjutsu? Why would they pick the least common form of barriers(purely physical) and link that with SURGES(non-physical and purge chakra) in the note?

The Ghost and Sabbath would both tether, weakening the pyramid.
 

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Issue: Failure to adequately defend/attack.
Your Reasoning of the Issue: There are a few issues I have with his move and they all revolve around my current speed and proximity to him. In my move I open a rift in space time that would place me just a couple feet behind/above him. At this same time I am kicking my leg down at more then double his own movement speed. In his move he reacts by seeing me move through the rift and creating a stand behind himself (imo this is metagaming) and then having the stand proceed to strike my leg. I don't believe he would have time to create this 'Stand' to defend from my kick. He doesn't even begin focusing chakra for it until after I've already begun moving through the rift, meaning my downward kick would need to travel less then 1ft before it hits him at the time he's staring to refocus his chakra. In this incredibly short amount of time and distance, he is claiming that not only can his Stand be focused and created, but it would also be able to see me and hit my leg, even though I am not only move more then twice as fast as it could, but also have a seal active that obscures their vision of me, making me appear as an off focus series of afterimages that "throws off techniques which require a clear line of sight or concentration on the user's position. This effect will occur regardless of the opponent's tracking speed." meaning even if he could somehow instantly focus his chakra and the stand could somehow instantly form and somehow move faster then my kick, it still wouldn't be able to accurately aim and strike my leg. Also, Nothing in his technique that creates the stand indicates that it can be created with such speed. It's well known that in the series, and this RP that while in hand to hand combat it's becomes extremely difficult to properly use ninjutsu as the speed in which is required to preform handseals, and/or properly focus chakra is two slow. I'm moving at x4 standared jounin speed and more then twice as fast as he is and striking from directly behind him from just two feet away, not only that but he starts to focus his chakra for his defense after I've already moved more the half that short distance. I don't believe there is enough time for him to counter in the way he's describing in his move.
 

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Issue: Failure to adequately defend/attack.
Your Reasoning of the Issue: There are a few issues I have with his move and they all revolve around my current speed and proximity to him. In my move I open a rift in space time that would place me just a couple feet behind/above him. At this same time I am kicking my leg down at more then double his own movement speed. In his move he reacts by seeing me move through the rift and creating a stand behind himself (imo this is metagaming) and then having the stand proceed to strike my leg. I don't believe he would have time to create this 'Stand' to defend from my kick. He doesn't even begin focusing chakra for it until after I've already begun moving through the rift, meaning my downward kick would need to travel less then 1ft before it hits him at the time he's staring to refocus his chakra. In this incredibly short amount of time and distance, he is claiming that not only can his Stand be focused and created, but it would also be able to see me and hit my leg, even though I am not only move more then twice as fast as it could, but also have a seal active that obscures their vision of me, making me appear as an off focus series of afterimages that "throws off techniques which require a clear line of sight or concentration on the user's position. This effect will occur regardless of the opponent's tracking speed." meaning even if he could somehow instantly focus his chakra and the stand could somehow instantly form and somehow move faster then my kick, it still wouldn't be able to accurately aim and strike my leg. Also, Nothing in his technique that creates the stand indicates that it can be created with such speed. It's well known that in the series, and this RP that while in hand to hand combat it's becomes extremely difficult to properly use ninjutsu as the speed in which is required to preform handseals, and/or properly focus chakra is two slow. I'm moving at x4 standared jounin speed and more then twice as fast as he is and striking from directly behind him from just two feet away, not only that but he starts to focus his chakra for his defense after I've already moved more the half that short distance. I don't believe there is enough time for him to counter in the way he's describing in his move.
There's not a lot to say here since we covered everything in VMs.

1. I did not metagame with my response. My opponent is shifting locations through a portal. I don't know if he's going somewhere else entirely or moving to another dimension or whatever, so I create my Stand to act as a second pair of eyes and cover my blind spots. Just like my fight with Jay, where it was ruled this was a valid thing to do given the reasoning.

2. There is no quantifiable speed for the creation of a technique like this. It usually boils down to "How many seals if any," and mine takes nothing. There is no way to assign a value of time to the creation of my Stand like we can for Taijutsu/close quarter combat via the Speed Chart, so this is a pointlessly pedantic endeavor that can't and won't ever yield valuable results for the RP lol Me seeing Hei's body entering the portal and doing what I did is well within the realm of possibility, especially given my speed and tracking in comparison to his.

3. As the screenshot I posted shows, the description of the technique shows, and common sense tells you, the hammer grants me flight at 3x speed. Meaning that, while flying as I'm doing in this move, my speed levels are tripled. I have 15 base speed(Sage=11, Speed Specialty makes it 15), so my speed is now 45. Apex tracking rounds up my tracking to over 100.

Serpent says Ura's speed boost is a specialty; unless terminology has changed recently and I missed it, that's not a specialty. His +20 Senjutsu isn't a specialty either, why would this be? It's simply a bio perk. As far as I'm aware, it follows the typical rule of speed boosting which is that they don't stack unless one says otherwise, and neither of the speed boosts Serpent applied say this. I doubt his speed has even changed, but it's neither here nor there as my tracking and speed both exceed his either way, with the former being the most relevant in this scenario.

4. As for the Mad Enhancement: This is something I forgot to mention earlier, but my bio can sense Natural Energy wherever it may be. Being a SP Senjutsu bio, Ura would have NE in his body that I can detect so not having a clear line of sight to him wouldn't impact my move as me punching his leg can be accomplished with that. Even if that didn't apply for whatever reason, since The World is moving in a linear path as is Hei, they would just collide and cancel out, leaving me unharmed(though Hei would probably be harmed from the clash since it's his body involved).
 

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Fight: https://animebase.me/threads/grand-rp-tourney-serpent-vs-riker.769410/

Serpent is saying that I can’t sustain flight via the hammer due to Daemon’s ruling. The ruling was based on vague wording that was clarified to mean sustained flight. Serpent is aware of this, screenshots have been provided. My blood pressure ain’t getting high over this.

He also for some reason thinks he’d be up my ass in spite of the recoil(even if my Stand isn’t hitting him its power is equal to the power of his kick, which is why they CANCELLED and is where the recoil comes from) that would occur from canceling out with my Stand and the fact that he can’t fly at the moment. Unless he tryna activate the box as he’s flying and tryna invalidate his move in the process(I wasn’t gonna say anything to keep the fight clean, but since we’re doing this I’m putting it on notice that he said this “As soon as Hei opened the box to release the gas, he would fly around to the side of his opponent”). So I’m challenging that too since opening the box is the trigger for the jutsu and he says he flies as soon as he opens it. The same way “the glass shattered as soon as it hit the floor” means it shattered at the same time it hit the floor.
 
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Your Reasoning of the Issue: There isn't an issue with my move. I based my move off the ruling that was giving. Joestar had no issue with the ruling until after I made my move. According to him he misread the ruling originally and only after I made my move and he quoted me, did he realized that he misread it.

"Serpent is aware of this, screenshots have been provided. " - What? I've never been provided with a screenshot and it says nothing of the sort in the ruling. The only thing I've read is Joestar saying that Chris said that it was sustained flight. Chris has also said countless times over discord not to apply what he says over discord to things that are ongoing in the RP since they are often taken out of context. Trying to take something he said off site and overturn an official ruling in a fight without actually having him check said fight and clarify isn't okay.

His quote isn't with my move, it's really with the ruling. If the ruling is invalid and changed then my move should also be invalid and be allowed to change to accommodate for the new ruling. Trying to get the ruling changed after I've posted my move, based largely in part to that ruling, because he misread isn't right.

As for the "recoil" that he claims would push me back. I strongly disagree, the Stand never hits me or does anything that would knock me back.. I kick the Stand downward from above it. The stand has no ability of flight and since we'd both be in freefall my kick would only serve to push it down with it taking the full force of my kick and dispersing because it takes the max amount of damage it's able to take. My move would then start at that movement, in which case I am behind Joestar.
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As you can see in the spoiler tag, Naruto isn't somehow pushed up or away from his kick. As for this new thing he's fishing for about the box and my flight happening at the same time. Lets reread what I said shall we?

"As soon as Hei opened the box to release the gas, he would fly around to the side of his opponent"

Key word being Opened.. That's past tense as in, it's already happened. Meaning, after the fact. I.E it would be a different timeframe. The word soon also meaning "in or after a short time". In this case meaning after a short time. And then the comma indicating a pause between parts. Showing the break in actions. The technique only requires me to open the box at which point the gas is released, as soon as that happens. I can move onto my next attack, in this case being the flight-taijutsu combo. While these do happen in quick succession to each-other they're not at the same time He is more then capable of reacting to the gas in his move before my flight would activate. The box being opened and my flight are not happening at the same time. He either again, misread or is trying to misinterpret it for his benefit.
 
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- Used two jutsu in same time frame
- His sensory
- Flies up into attack

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1)
Okay i believe his move fails as you can't use two chakras at the same time:

"This ability also allows it the ability to grant it's wielder the power of flight by swinging the axe and charging it, lifting him into air at x3 his speeds. This can be used once every 3 turns to avoid objects within reason."

You need to charge the hammer to gain flight. You can't do another jutsu at the same time as this. At no point does it ever state in your hammer than the flight is passive. Causing both actions to fail and his entire move. If it isn't in the jutsu/weapon to say it's passive, it's not passive.

This ruling goes back to myself vs AJ in like 2015 where i couldn't use chakra for taijutsu and another jutsu at the same time. It should be the same here.

Just because someone said a jutsu works in a certain way, doesn't make it fact. The jutsu at no point says flight is passive and even states you have to charge it for that flight effect.

It has been made clear on discord and in rulings in the tournament so far, that asking questions on discord doesn't count towards anything. If there was a problem raised about the active and passive effects, it should have been edited into the weapon to reflect that.

"It's even worse when I have to see screenshots in every fight now. "Well, Chris said...." Use the rules, not my word where I only have half the context, to decide stuff. " - Ruling from Lok



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Should that even be allowed somehow, he flew directly up. In doing this he would fly directly up into the caramel.

My move says - " This would form all around him, the ground, above and all around 360 degrees from a 10m radius all around him. "

The jutsu says: "The user will perform three hand seals creating giant strings of caramel that shoot up stretching around the target/targets like a spiders web. This web can be created from any angle on the battle field "

Never states it has to be from the ground. Forming all around him, he would fly up into it.

If he ball is used as he flies up, he'd hit the caramel flying into it, or he'd be acting before my one jutsu even forms breaking the TF. Not only that but if the caramel is pulled towards the ball even from behind him 10m, it would be pulled through jesus hitting him




3)
I feel he's over using one line in his CC submission: "; in addition to being able to detect it where ever it may be, "
Sensory was removed from the clan for approval. What they can do seems like any sage mode user. Just sense natural energy. No one can sense it better than Hago, yet he doesn't have a form of sensory through natural energy.

His reasoning of heat would work for his detection of the jutsu, but i think his reasoning on the sensory is wrong.

Decline: ""-The sensing. I don't mind you sensing living beings but you cannot have the same sensing that 2 other clans have + some canon abilities embue. Its also a contradiction to say its not as refined as a Sage Mode sensing but define it as being increadibly more refined. "

Quoting house resub: "-Removed sensory "

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1. Ignoring that Chris confirmed the flight is passive, the jutsu’s wording also indicates it is. The start of the second paragraph is “Mjolnir is capable of it's own set of active abilities as well,” indicating that the abilities mentioned after this line are the active ones. This would mean the ones mentioned prior aren’t active, I.e., passive. The chakra cost also says that chakra is used for the active abilities, reinforcing this.

2. The NE is pretty open and shut. I can sense NE wherever it is around me, as my clan explicitly says. This means just one thing: if it’s in the field with me, I sense it. Even discounting this, I made sure to mention in my move that I deduce something is coming from below by the heat and softening of the ground, and throw the Steel Ball low using this conclusion. I think my bases here are covered.

3. Pervy’s technique says “Note: Webs can be made from anywhere in the earth or from the users body or any caramel source.” Given that forming the caramel out of thin air isn’t mentioned/included as one of the sources that it can be formed from, no caramel would materialize in the air around me. The caramel emerges from the ground and rises up(the tech even says the caramel “shoots up”); even if the caramel rises faster than me and gets above me to swoop down, the sealing effect of my Steel Ball would absorb the Caramel out of the air as per my move.
 

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Issue: Using S rank level of chakra while under the effects of MIE.
Your Reasoning of the Issue: I don't remember seeing that Sakura has CES active at all times, meaning that it would need to be activated in a fight. My issues here are simple. The first issue is that Zatanna resisted the effects of the barrier by punching the ground, but she wouldn't be able to move before she activates CES. I believe that only after it's activated can she move to punch the ground, by which time the ninken's attack would have hit her.

My second issue is the use of the punch itself. CES adds an additional 25 chakra to all taijutsu techniques. MIE states that while under its effects one is unable to mold chakra above A-Rank (30 chakra), but Zatana's Shock Wave Blossom uses 55 chakra. Given the restriction posed by MIE, I don't believe her counter works.

Edit: Also, I'd take Jakai's words over Vex's any day, especially regarding CES: https://animebase.me/threads/green-bit-081-king-crimson-vs-zatanna.760828/post-21806799. Here it was clearly stated that "activation can be done alongside other Taijutsu or physical actions as long as they do not require chakra to be used"
 
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Issue: Using S rank level of chakra while under the effects of MIE.
Your Reasoning of the Issue: I don't remember seeing that Sakura has CES active at all times, meaning that it would need to be activated in a fight. My issues here are simple. The first issue is that Zatanna resisted the effects of the barrier by punching the ground, but she wouldn't be able to move before she activates CES. I believe that only after it's activated can she move to punch the ground, by which time the ninken's attack would have hit her.

My second issue is the use of the punch itself. CES adds an additional 25 chakra to all taijutsu techniques. MIE states that while under its effects one is unable to mold chakra above A-Rank (30 chakra), but Zatana's Shock Wave Blossom uses 55 chakra. Given the restriction posed by MIE, I don't believe her counter works.
Pretty much summed up in the discord.
CES doesnt take any chakra to activate
As far as I can remember, CES doesnt 'add' chakra to a technique, just increases its cost. The technique used was still an A rank.
CES doesnt boost the chakra in the technique, no where in the CES does it say it boosts chakra. "Chakra cost: ( +25 to taijutsu techniques ) " If CES were to add 25 chakra to every tai technique, it would make nintai ridiculously too strong, even imo.

Within the technique itself "The massive pressure the technique puts on the target prevents the target from moving unless it has some sort of enhanced strength ability, making it very difficult to break free from it "
Quote directly from Sakura's rules: "
Because of her innate strength, Sakura is an boost of Advanced Combat Specialist, gaining a passive 20 to all Taijutsu techniques.
Sakura is already stronger than the average shinobi. Add CES literally "chakra enhanced strength" and she gets stronger when an ability specifically states that it doesnt restrict if the user has enhanced strength.
Vex has previously also ruled that MIE would have little to no effect on a Sakura bio as well. (this MIE was also enhanced to be stronger)
Quote "That being said, I don't believe that the barrier would be able to bind Zatanna for any significant amount of time, or to even force her onto the ground. (...)"
 
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Issue: So my issue is basically this whole move :/

My reasoning for the issue:

So ima start with displacer wall:

I don't think it works how he is attempting to use it. It says it strips boosts but due to it having the word "enhancement" in there 1 time, ppl are under the assumption it seals any type of infusion that is attached to techniques. Reading the technique it explicitly states what type of infusion, which is boosts. To further support that, it literally says it takes the boosts and adds the power to his techs lol. The INFUSIONS i used don't boost my technique in any way. Actually 1 isn't even an infusion despite its name. Poseidon infusion just makes a mist across the field and attaches moisture to wind techs around, doesn't infuse chakra into the wind technique lol. The chameleon blood absorbs the chakra from his shadow samurai once they clashed and took the effects. That isn't a boost. An infusion that absorbs chakra doesn't seem like it falls under a boost that can be sealed and applied to his stuff. I might be bias asf and reading to my better fortune, but displacer wall legit looks like it is to absorb infusions that add damage boosts. And then he thinks its sealing the sage mode boost. I agree sm is a boost but it isn't an infusion its just using a separate pool of chakra to naturally make my techs stronger. Idk how that is mixed up, using a seal that strips infusions to take away a mode boost lol only thing i think displacer wall would effect is September's infusion.




Now the shadow stuff:

This part was a big issue to me also. The creation of yesterday is kinda a reach and break of timeframe. He used the samurai last turn and attacked me, I countered it with a move as it attacks me and he's using the creations of yesterday to separate the shadow from him and use "Hard dark" to effect the technique that's in a clash from last turn. And both techniques he used are techniques used in the same timeframe as the effected technique. So he going back and using these in that timeframe or? Because direct quotes:

Creations of yesterday -

"Using Kurieshonzu No Kinou occurs in the same instant of using a construct, happening in the same time frame but counting as a move"


Hard Dark -

"The user would perform an additional hand seal after using a shadow technique and give the shadow steel like qualities thus increasing its strength. The change happens in the same timeframe of using the original shadow technique."

But then in discussions he said he's using Hard dark to boost creation of yesterday, which in itself doesn't seem plausible since creations of yesterday doesn't make a new technique, just separates his other technique from his shadow to use remotely. It's real confusing and IMPO the way all of this is used just isn't plausible. And another thing about displacer wall, how is it effecting my technique to boost his technique before we clash from last turn 😭 we have been moving towards each other since our first moves to get close and we should be in about close range to each other when our attacks go to clash so they should definitely clash before all this somehow goes back and happens alll together.

But those are my issues.
 

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The barrier is capable of detecting infusions or other techniques that serve to enhance the opponent's jutsu; upon detection of such a technique, the barrier will activate, forcibly stripping away the technique that causes the boost and absorbing its boosting power into itself.

Going off that, even how the sentence is structured, I believe what was done is completely valid. It doesn't matter how many times it's said, it's still there, and is implied thereafter. Also "other techniques that serve to enhance the opponent's jutsu" could be categorized as boost, no? So given the fact that it's explicitly said before, it would encompass those techniques in it's description without the need of repeating "other techniques that serve to enhance the opponent's jutsu" every time boost is mentioned. Additionally, why would those techniques be mentioned if the technique isn't going to affect them in any fashion?

As for the shadow technique, I think you misunderstood what I said? Which was " @Bootsy Calico For Hard Dark, it's being performed in the same time frame of Creations of Yesterday that manipulates the samurai, so it can be applied to it through that." The bolded refers to hard dark, while the underlined is to the samurai. The Samurai is being manipulated by Creations, and simply during that process Hard Dark increases it's strength, as the technique is actively being manipulated and used. I didn't say Displacer Wall is being used on my shadow, I only said it stores the stuff for later, so not sure where you got that from. As for the clashing of technique, you changed the tf yourself when you made it so that the clash occurs after the wind takes the shape of a sphere, so I used that to make my move.
 

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Issue: Opponent incorrectly counter Swamp of the Underworld
Your Reasoning of the Issue: It was already agreed that Serpent incorrectly escaped Swamp of the Underworld by trying to fly away before it ensnared him. We agreed that he can activate his flight technique after the swamp ensnared him. My problem with this is that my Swamp is S-rank and his Flight is A-rank. I believe his move would fail to allow him to escape the swamp and because of that him and his clones would disperse and/or find themselves under the swamp though. My opponent is also forgetting that swamp does not pull a person down by gravity alone but also because the swamp is chakra based hence the reason Pein began to sink when Jiraiya used swamp and Pein was on the roof upside down. My next issue is when my opponent attempted to used Multiple Infinite Embraces. He attempted to use MIE by having one of his clones slam their hands on the swamp and erupt it around me as I am flying in the air. My problem with this is that I do not believe that a swamp is sufficient enough to try and maintain MIE on. And even if the clone could do so I do not believe the clone could focus and maintain said jutsu because I believe MIE requires a certain degree of focus and for the user to keep their hands firmly on the ground which the clone could do not if submerged in the swamp. In conclusion, I believe his MIE, Fire, and Wind jutsu would also fail.
 
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Issue: Opponent incorrectly counter Swamp of the Underworld
Your Reasoning of the Issue: It was already agreed that Serpent incorrectly escaped Swamp of the Underworld by trying to fly away before it ensnared him. We agreed that he can activate his flight technique after the swamp ensnared him. My problem with this is that my Swamp is S-rank and his Flight is A-rank. I believe his move would fail to allow him to escape the swamp and because of that him and his clones would disperse and/or find themselves under the swamp though. My next issue is when my opponent attempted to used Multiple Infinite Embraces. He attempted to use MIE by having one of his clones slam their hands on the swamp and erupt it around me as I am flying in the air. My problem with this is that I do not believe that a swamp is sufficient enough to try and maintain MIE on. And even if the clone could do so I do not believe the clone could focus and maintain said jutsu because I believe MIE requires a certain degree of focus and for the user to keep their hands firmly on the ground which the clone could do not if submerged in the swamp. In conclusion, I believe his MIE, Fire, and Wind jutsu would also fail.
Your Reasoning of the Issue: Okay something to note before I get into it. Swamp has been spoken about in detail on discord and only causes damage by suffocation after a target sinks for one full turn. As an Main Clan Otsutsuki I am physically unable to be suffocated as we don't need to breath. It's semi important for the topic at hand. Now to the issues at hand I'll break it down by section.

1) Flight vs Swamp: We've already agreed on the swamp. It's created and I immediately activate flight. I would not be able to avoid the swamp taking hold of my feet. We also agreed that I cannot pull free from the Swamp because my Flight is A-rank and his Swamp is S-rank. Swamp doesn't pull you down into it, you sink into it under your own weight. Taking a full turn to sink into it. With my flight technique active, I might not be able to pull my feet free from the bind but I can prevent further sinking since there is no force causing me to sink down.
1.5) I'm not sure about this but my flight is being increased on two factors, one being by passive boost of six paths senjutsu. It gives +20 to all techniques. I know flight doesn't cause damage but this boost also applies to techniques that are defensive allowing them to act as though they block 20 more damage then normal. I'm not sure if this can apply to my flight giving it S-rank power instead of it's normal A-rank. On a similar note my flights speed and power is also enhanced by my S-ranked advanced Leg Weights. Making my flight x4 faster then normal. This means my flight will be exerting a force x4 larger then usual. I'm not sure if these can be calculated in but I thought I'd bring them up since my flight is enhanced. If this is the case then I would simply pull free from the swamp.​

2) Multiple Infinite Embraces: This Fuuinjutsu requires contact with the ground to erect the barrier. The swamp is still the ground regardless of if it's solid or mud that my clone is currently sinking into. It takes one full turn to fully sink into the swamp and I believe my clone can hold MIE until then. I'd even argue past that since again, Swamp can't cause any damage to me or my clones.

3) Fire and Wind Jutsu: Clone1 and Clone2 are being held up by Hei with his active flight technique. With no downward force pulling them into the swamp and only an upward force preventing them from sinking, they will still be able to release their combination as originally planned. Even if Hei wasn't holding them up, It takes one full turn to fully sink into swamp. If my clone wanted to shoot a fireball, or some wind before fully sinking they should be able to.

In conclusion it seems like my opponent is forgetting that this is only the first turn of swamp and we are just beginning to sink as our actions start.
 

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Issue: Method of escaping Swamp of the Underworld.
Your Reasoning of the Issue: while ensnare by Swamp of the Underworld, Zatanna summons a crocodile like animal that has the ability to passively swim through mud. She attempts to make use of this ability to have it lift her from the F ranked swamp. As you can see from out convo, she believes this works, but I disagree. Just because the summoning has the ability to move through that swamp doesn't mean it extends to her and allow her to escape.she is still encased by the mud, and as such the S ranked summoning would be able to remove her from it. Though minor, a second issue is the method of summoning. As we know there are to methods, the summoning ratio, and the generic one. As she did lnt state which one she uses, and the fact that I don't think her bio possess summoning tattoos, this leave only the generic version to use. Assuming she performing the draws her blood and perform the handseals, she is required to slam her hands on the ground so that the summoning script can spread and the summoning can appear. If she does this, then it would result in her trapping her hands.
 

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Issue: Method of escaping Swamp of the Underworld.
Your Reasoning of the Issue: while ensnare by Swamp of the Underworld, Zatanna summons a crocodile like animal that has the ability to passively swim through mud. She attempts to make use of this ability to have it lift her from the F ranked swamp. As you can see from out convo, she believes this works, but I disagree. Just because the summoning has the ability to move through that swamp doesn't mean it extends to her and allow her to escape.she is still encased by the mud, and as such the S ranked summoning would be able to remove her from it. Though minor, a second issue is the method of summoning. As we know there are to methods, the summoning ratio, and the generic one. As she did lnt state which one she uses, and the fact that I don't think her bio possess summoning tattoos, this leave only the generic version to use. Assuming she performing the draws her blood and perform the handseals, she is required to slam her hands on the ground so that the summoning script can spread and the summoning can appear. If she does this, then it would result in her trapping her hands.
I mean issue and argument is there. If something has the strength and ability to swim and move through a substance, I dont understand why it couldn't swim from below to lift something out of the mud carrying it on its back.
Additionally, second issue, we know that you aren't require to physically touch the ground to summon something.

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Sasuke is shown to summon without touching the ground. the reason he would summon something below him here, is because he is falling through the sky and wants to land on a hawk.
On top of this, another example of summoning technique not required to be touching the ground, Rinnegan summoning path, when summoning the other bodies for the attack on Konoha when in mid air, summons them.
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Again even if the hands are trapped, i dont see why the summon wouldn't be able to life the whole body out of the mud.
 

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Issue: The timeframe is kinda jacked up on both of our parts and I need a higher up's clarification before we continue
Your Reasoning of the Issue: It all started with my special shuriken being thrown and my opponent's reaction! The match started with me creating a chakra shroud that blocks out sights as well as sensing to a degree, this is initiated with 1 hand seal, and after that one hand seal I throw a chakra less shuriken that still counts as a move due to its fuuin capabilities.

My opponent created an Earth/Fire creature in response to my shroud....

The confusion happens on both our parts when my opponent thinks the creature interrupts me throwing a shuriken, while I think that i'd be able to throw the chakraless shuriken before it finishes manifesting and attacks.

We need clarification because as of now, the timeframe is jacked up to the highest degree
 
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