Edo Madara vs DSM Kabuto

[Amaterasu]

Lol this newbie. I'll trash any argument you have that makes you think he is taking any scenario here.

Lmao, what this clown is saying Lol, first scenario Madara, ISO Susanoo one-shots Kabuto, Itachi and Nagato won't do shit.
Second scenario, Third is took out quite easily by Giant Katon, Muu's Jinton is absorbed by Preta Path, G, Deidara is anon-factor.engetsu is took out by Susanoo

How about you read the manga?

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Read it better too Lol

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[Beans2]

How about you read the manga?

then read the manga

I dont acknowledge someone one who can't read the manga properly.

-Can't read manga properly to prove a point

Read the manga properly.

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V4 or Complete Susanoo:

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Perfect Susanoo:

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V3 busting rock/sand defense:

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Rest isn't worth replying to.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Lmao, what this clown is saying Lol, first scenario Madara, ISO Susanoo one-shots Kabuto, Itachi and Nagato won't do shit.
Second scenario, Third is took out quite easily by Giant Katon, Muu's Jinton is absorbed by Preta Path, G, Deidara is anon-factor.engetsu is took out by Susanoo

argument relies on PS when its restricted Lol.

The rest is scenarios isnt even worth mentioning, when yours argument can't even be made to take down Kabuto alone.

Read it better too Lol

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I read it loud in clear. Good thing Im reading it in full context, unlike you. Madara made it very clear that the moment he activated un-stabilized PS, he stated to be PS, which can be completely stabilized or not Period.

V4 or Complete Susanoo:

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Both viz and mangapanda outright just stated this is perfect Susanoo and now were going to ignore it Lol. And when we already witness that PS doesn't have to start off as unstable to begin with[

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Ignoring manga as usual.

Perfect Susanoo:

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Congratz, you know what a full stabilize PS looks like. Your wrong period. If you want to change the conditions that unstablizes is allow then change it that way. dont try to save face

V3 busting rock/sand defense:

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Lol what does that even proof again? Even then you mistinterpreted the scan, the fact you think those were rocks. Its clear as day those were Mokuton construction. When rocks are crushed, they are less lines[

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So clearly your reading the scenario's wrong.

Rest isn't worth replying to.

Of course. No legit arguments, so you retreat and talk the same load of crap about me.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

I re read the V3 busting rock/sand defense. I could see how it could be easily misinterpreted. Still your point overall doesn't even help since it was supported by magatama first.

 

[Beans2]

Both viz and mangapanda outright just stated this is perfect Susanoo and now were going to ignore it Lol. And when we already witness that PS doesn't have to start off as unstable to begin with[

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Ignoring manga as usual.

You're not very good at this are you? Read Madara's words in the middle right panel.

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"The five kage...anything and everything...your all is as good as nothing before me..."

And then Madara continues his sentence in the next panel, emphasized by the ellipses.

"...Before the full might of the Perfect Susanoo".

The words "Perfect Susanoo" in front of a picture of a Susanoo =/= that Susanoo in the picture is PS.

Fact 2: Manga outright states that is his complete Susanoo [

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]. Complete Susanoo = V4 Susanoo. Complete Susanoo =/= Perfect Susanoo. That was Madara's massive V4 with legs.

My favorite part is how you edited

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by removing the panel where Madara begins his sentence, which would indicate that you're wrong.

Congratz, you know what a full stabilize PS looks like. Your wrong period. If you want to change the conditions that unstablizes is allow then change it that way. dont try to save face

"Your wrong period" isn't an argument. Editing a manga scan to prove yourself right isn't an argument. I should never have gotten involved in this argument because I can see how pointless it's been.

Lol what does that even proof again? Even then you mistinterpreted the scan, the fact you think those were rocks. Its clear as day those were Mokuton construction. When rocks are crushed, they are less lines[

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So clearly your reading the scenario's wrong.

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: sand/stone defense tanks Magatamas. Gokage are behind the golem. Madara starts running in the bottom left panel, indicated by the movement lines.

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: Madara busts through whatever's in front of the gokage with his Susanoo, which we know for a fact is that same sand/stone defense on the page previously.

I'm literally reading the manga to you at this point.

Of course. No legit arguments, so you retreat and talk the same load of crap about me.

If you apologize now and concede, it will reflect better on you than if you continue to spout BS.

 

[Mugen Onsa]

Ejblack still clinging onto Kabuto's snake I see. Kabuto wins because of the edos but Madara maybe could win scenario one wih high difficulty.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

You're not very good at this are you? Read Madara's words in the middle right panel.

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"The five kage...anything and everything...your all is as good as nothing before me..."

And then Madara continues his sentence in the next panel, emphasized by the ellipses.

"...Before the full might of the Perfect Susanoo".

The words "Perfect Susanoo" in front of a picture of a Susanoo =/= that Susanoo in the picture is PS.

@Bold: Then your outright denying manga as its coming out of Madara's own mouth.

Fact 2: Manga outright states that is his complete Susanoo [

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]. Complete Susanoo = V4 Susanoo. Complete Susanoo =/= Perfect Susanoo.

Lol Gokage has no intel on how much levels Susanoo has, they basically question if this is really it, which Madara corrects them that there's more. Nothing more nothing less to interpret.

That was Madara's massive V4 with legs.

Lol Making stuff up now? Where are these so called legs, yet alone at the VOTE?

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by removing the panel where Madara begins his sentence, which would indicate that you're wrong.

Lol what? First of all I goggled for the best image I can find asap, for viz, so I did nothing to it, I dont even know how to Photoshop. Second of all the rest of the sentence are all irrelevant and does absolutely nothing and does not disaffect my claims at all. Here you want a better scan Lol?

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Happy? Good, cause it means nothing that effects my point.

"Your wrong period" isn't an argument. Editing a manga scan to prove yourself right isn't an argument. I should never have gotten involved in this argument because I can see how pointless it's been.

Yea ok.

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: sand/stone defense tanks Magatamas. Gokage are behind the golem. Madara starts running in the bottom left panel, indicated by the movement lines.

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: Madara busts through whatever's in front of the gokage with his Susanoo, which we know for a fact is that same sand/stone defense on the page previously.

I'm literally reading the manga to you at this point.

I guess your being illiterate here as I clearly corrected myself. All you had to do is look at the post before yours and voila

If you apologize now and concede, it will reflect better on you than if you continue to spout BS.

Apologize Lol? Not like you have any authority over me yet alone thing it brings credibility. Your full of yourself.

Ejblack still clinging onto Kabuto's snake I see. Kabuto wins because of the edos but Madara maybe could win scenario one wih high difficulty.

Lol ok. All I see is all bark no bite from everyone so far

 

[Transcendence]

As powerful as the trio would be in scenario one I think Madara wins that. 25 Susano'o clones to keep Nagato and Itachi at bay, while Madara takes Kabuto on his own. Once Nagato does the bulk against the clones, Kabuto is likely already down and then Madara overpowers them with his own V3 legged Susano'o that was taking blows from multiple Bijuu. Madara gets annihilated in the final 2 scenarios though. Too many people, too many techniques and their variables. The third one in particular is an unholy stomp.

 

[KidGamer65]

@EJBlack: Do you think that this is "Perfect" Susanoo as well?

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-Ribcage
-Skeletal
-Complete
-Armored
-Complete Body: Susanoo.

This was very hard (especially preamble)
Complete( literally full body)Susano'o

Ninjutsu,all ranges,kekke-genkai,offensive,defensive.
Users: Uchiha Madara
Eternity reigns within these pupils,allowing to shape the bravery into clad blue!


The power of the "Mangekyo Sharingan" is able to activate incredible ninjutsu.Enormous chakra clad jutsu materialize, towering over the mountains( exceeding the height of the mountains), taking authority over battlefield to its hands(changing the flow of battle).Appearance of the complete jutsu differs in accordance to the user.Moreover for users that are good at ninjutsu "Susano'o"themselves,becomes possible to enter/trigger the invocation of the complete body(kanseitai).Furthermore Susano'o in next form can wear special armor which can shape/turn on wings that allow it to fly.
Picture: the great complete Susano'o cutting strength that can cut-off mountain peaks,is easily enough to shut down even iron hard resistance (or is enough to make even iron-hard enemies to forfeit the battle).

Databook makes a clear description as to what "Perfect" Susanoo really is, and it's the Mountain Cutting Susanoo Madara used against the Gokage. What he used before is armored Susanoo. It's size isn't going to change that. Madara only said "Meet the Perfect Susanoo", which refers to the whole process of him bringing it out.

Saying that Madara's Armored Susanoo is Perfect Susanoo is like saying that Sasuke's Armored Susanoo is Perfect Susanoo. Makes no sense.

And yes, there were obviously legs on that Susanoo, hence the lower body. At VoTE it had no lower body.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

@EJBlack: Do you think that this is "Perfect" Susanoo as well?

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-Ribcage
-Skeletal
-Complete
-Armored
-Complete Body: Susanoo.

No and it doesn't matter what I think as Madara's development isn't the same as Sasuke's.

Databook makes a clear description as to what "Perfect" Susanoo really is, and it's the Mountain Cutting Susanoo Madara used against the Gokage. What he used before is armored Susanoo. It's size isn't going to change that. Madara only said "Meet the Perfect Susanoo", which refers to the whole process of him bringing it out.

DB said "Furthermore Susano'o in next form". Which doesn't prove that the other form isn't PS either. It just so happen to have a stabilized form.

Saying that Madara's Armored Susanoo is Perfect Susanoo is like saying that Sasuke's Armored Susanoo is Perfect Susanoo. Makes no sense.

Nope because I dont think Madara = Sasuke development

And yes, there were obviously legs on that Susanoo, hence the lower body. At VoTE it had no lower body.

No proof, all we see is a gown much like VOTE.

 

[KidGamer65]

No and it doesn't matter what I think as Madara's development isn't the same as Sasuke's.

Except it is. Susanoo's development is the same for all users as long as they share the same Dojutsu. The only differences are strength and appearance. By claiming that Madara used Perfect Susanoo there, you are claiming that Sasuke used Perfect Susanoo there despite what you think about their development.

You can't eat your cake, and have it too. It's not either or here.

DB said "Furthermore Susano'o in next form". Which doesn't prove that the other form isn't PS either. It just so happen to have a stabilized form.

This next form is stated to be merely the usage of wings. Combine that with the fact that Madara never explicitly called that Armored Susanoo

Nope because I dont think Madara = Sasuke development

Doesn't matter what you think. Lol. Facts are going to be facts.

No proof, all we see is a gown much like VOTE.

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The box shows the obvious presence of a lower body. A Susanoo having a lower body means that it has legs. The legs not being visible because of the Jinton Cube doesn't change the fact that they are there. I shouldn't even have had to point out the obvious size difference between the one at VoTE and the one used when he was an Edo.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Except it is. Susanoo's development is the same for all users as long as they share the same Dojutsu. The only differences are strength and appearance. By claiming that Madara used Perfect Susanoo there, you are claiming that Sasuke used Perfect Susanoo there despite what you think about their development.

You can't eat your cake, and have it too. It's not either or here.

Ok so we both can conclude that all complete forms can make PS.

Nope.

This next form is stated to be merely the usage of wings. Combine that with the fact that Madara never explicitly called that Armored Susanoo

Talking about wings doesn't change the fact that the context stated PS can stabilize, and has another form. Like basically saying "This form of PS can do this" @Bold, good because it isn't.

Doesn't matter what you think. Lol. Facts are going to be facts.

facts =/= your interpretation

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The box shows the obvious presence of a lower body. A Susanoo having a lower body means that it has legs. The legs not being visible because of the Jinton Cube doesn't change the fact that they are there. I shouldn't even have had to point out the obvious size difference between the one at VoTE and the one used when he was an Edo.

Size dont matter. Speculation on legs isn't going to make me believe that its there, considering if you were to look at all v4 they dont carry legs to begin with.

 

[KidGamer65]

Ok so we both can conclude that all complete forms can make PS.

Nope.

As long as you meet the requirements, then yes, you can make PS. That's a fact. This whole post of yours is weak as hell with little to no real retorts.

Talking about wings doesn't change the fact that the context stated PS can stabilize, and has another form. Like basically saying "This form of PS can do this"

The context never said that PS can stabilize. It only said that it can turn on wings. DB says that users can take their Susanoo and make it into it's Complete Body form. This "Next form' that the DB references is Complete Body Susanoo. "Next form" means the next form of Susanoo, not the next form of Perfect Susanoo.

@Bold, good because it isn't.

My post was meant to say that he never called it PS. So I'm not sure what you are basing your argument off of. Lol.

-Madara never called his Armored Susanoo a PS.
-DB says that PS cuts Mountains and can fly. Armored can't do either.

facts =/= your interpretation

Except it's not my interpretation. There is no difference in Susanoo's development. Trying to invent one only to write off the truth as my mere interpretation isn't a counter argument. It's desperation. The fact you can't even tell me what this difference is only shows how nonsensical your posts are starting to become.

Size dont matter.

Good thing my argument didn't just reference size. Not to mention it does. If we see a V4 w/o a lower body, and then we see another V4 which towers over it, the obvious ass conclusion is that it got a lower body.

Weak replies aren't counter arguments. They're just weak replies.

Speculation on legs isn't going to make me believe that its there,

I showed you a lower body. How about you cut the BS and concede this part of the argument instead of dragging it on with no counter argument. Labeling the truth as speculation isn't going to make me or anyone believe you are correct. In fact, it only makes me believe that you have no argument.

considering if you were to look at all v4 they dont carry legs to begin with.

1. Completely irrelevant as no Susanoo carries legs to begin with bar Perfect Susanoo.

2. Doesn't disprove the fact that Madara's V4 was shown with legs.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

As long as you meet the requirements, then yes, you can make PS. That's a fact. This whole post of yours is weak as hell with little to no real retorts.

Whats weak is actually comparing Sasuke's to Madara. I could speculate, as much as you. I could say that v4 is the same size as Sasuke's and Itachi's but its called perfect when he decides to make it bigger.

DB:

".Enormous chakra clad jutsu materialize, towering over the mountains( exceeding the height of the mountains), taking authority over battlefield to its hands(changing the flow of battle)." Sounds like Madara's "V4" appearance to me.

The context never said that PS can stabilize. It only said that it can turn on wings. DB says that users can take their Susanoo and make it into it's Complete Body form. This "Next form' that the DB references is Complete Body Susanoo. "Next form" means the next form of Susanoo, not the next form of Perfect Susanoo.

I used the term stabilize to get my point across, not that I stated the stabilized is used in DB. Lets also see full context that it stated: "Appearance of the complete jutsu differs in accordance to the user." And "Susano'o in next form can wear special armor" WHICH CAN do this via make wings and fly

My post was meant to say that he never called it PS. So I'm not sure what you are basing your argument off of. Lol.

-Madara never called his Armored Susanoo a PS.
-DB says that PS cuts Mountains and can fly. Armored can't do either.

-too bad I post a scan of Madara Your interpretation of stating "V4" stating PS, otherwise
And also your clearing taking bits and pieces of context to prove your point for DB.

Except it's not my interpretation. There is no difference in Susanoo's development. Trying to invent one only to write off the truth as my mere interpretation isn't a counter argument. It's desperation. The fact you can't even tell me what this difference is only shows how nonsensical your posts are starting to become.

Madara states he will activate his full power of Susanoo. Fact. And starts off with un stabilized fact.

Is that complete susanoo of Sasuke his full power susanoo? Nope. Does Sasuke fit the description of DB? nope but Madara's "V4" does.

Good thing my argument didn't just reference size. Not to mention it does. If we see a V4 w/o a lower body, and then we see another V4 which towers over it, the obvious ass conclusion is that it got a lower body.

Weak replies aren't counter arguments. They're just weak replies.

Weak replies is you still speculating. "It obviously has it, despite not showing it" "Ej your arguments are weak because you wont use my imagination"

I showed you a lower body. How about you cut the BS and concede this part of the argument instead of dragging it on with no counter argument. Labeling the truth as speculation isn't going to make me or anyone believe you are correct. In fact, it only makes me believe that you have no argument.

So what, Susanoo has shown that it can be strictly a lower body, facts. You want me to conceded to your imagination then your something else.
You clearly see the "V4" body fading below like all Susanoo that dont use legs.

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1. Completely irrelevant as no Susanoo carries legs to begin with bar Perfect Susanoo.

2. Doesn't disprove the fact that Madara's V4 was shown with legs.

Right ok so because Edo was more detail that automatically makes your speculation any superior then mine? When I can go by feats that V4 dont carry legs to begin with (VOTE)? Yet alone the lower body showing no signs of splitting to two to form legs?
Lol ok

 

[KidGamer65]

Whats weak is actually comparing Sasuke's to Madara. I could speculate, as much as you. I could say that v4 is the same size as Sasuke's and Itachi's but its called perfect when he decides to make it bigger.

1. Their development being the same=/=The size and strength of their Susanoo being the same.

2. Itachi and Sasuke don't have the same Dojutsu.

Lol. Keep the shit examples coming though. It's not as if I didn't expect it.

DB:

".Enormous chakra clad jutsu materialize, towering over the mountains( exceeding the height of the mountains), taking authority over battlefield to its hands(changing the flow of battle)." Sounds like Madara's "V4" appearance to me.

I like how this ignores the rest of the DB which clearly talks about flight, and mountain cleaving abilities.

I used the term stabilize to get my point across, not that I stated the stabilized is used in DB. Lets also see full context that it stated: "Appearance of the complete jutsu differs in accordance to the user." And "Susano'o in next form can wear special armor" WHICH CAN do this via make wings and fly

-The appearance being different doesn't help your argument.
-Susanoo in it's next form refers to Complete Body Susanoo. Something I've already addressed. Armored Susanoo isn't referenced at all in this entry.

-too bad I post a scan of Madara Your interpretation of stating "V4" stating PS, otherwise

Madara never said that his V4 was PS.

And also your clearing taking bits and pieces of context to prove your point for DB.

That's exactly what you are doing. Lol.

Madara states he will activate his full power of Susanoo. Fact. And starts off with un stabilized fact.

He says he'll use his full power. Tells them to meet PS, and then begins to bring out PS. PS isn't formed until he stabilizes his Armored Susanoo's Chakra. Telling them to meet PS refers to him beginning to bring out said PS, it doesn't mean that Armored Susanoo is PS.

Is that complete susanoo of Sasuke his full power susanoo?

Not relevant. That Susanoo and the one Madara used are the same exact stage. The only difference is size and power.

Does Sasuke fit the description of DB?

Irrelevant.

nope but Madara's "V4" does.

So Madara's V4 can:

-Fly
-Cut Mountains.

Good to know. Lol. Your argumentation makes absolutely no sense. This shit is like a norm for you.

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Article of Madara's "Complete Body Susanoo". And guess what the pictures show? Oh wait, they show Madara's PS, not his Armored Susanoo. Please take your head out of your ass and read the Manga. Jesus Christ almighty.

Weak replies is you still speculating. "It obviously has it, despite not showing it" "Ej your arguments are weak because you wont use my imagination"

I've explained why it has it. Crying about how it's speculation because you can't counter isn't going to make an argument appear out of nowhere.

So what, Susanoo has shown that it can be strictly a lower body, facts. You want me to conceded to your imagination then your something else.
You clearly see the "V4" body fading below like all Susanoo that dont use legs.

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So, now we've resorted to outright lying about the Manga huh? That scan clearly shows Susanoo w/ no lower body.

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That is a lower body. I can't tell if you are acting like a retard or if you really are this daft, but there is a clear distinction between the two. What you are showing me is nothing but a Susanoo w/ no legs or a lower body. You are basically showing me a larger version of this.

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Inb4 that has a lower body too. Lol. Get your eyes checked before you reply to me again.

Right ok so because Edo was more detail that automatically makes your speculation any superior then mine?

More detail? Are you kidding me? There's a difference between showing something with more detail, and showing something with more characteristics. Only a fool would say that what was used at VoTE and during the Gokage fight is the same exact thing but with more detail added to the latter. What I boxed is a lower body. Dancing around the point and crying about speculation isn't going to change that.

When I can go by feats that V4 dont carry legs to begin with (VOTE)? Yet alone the lower body showing no signs of splitting to two to form legs?
Lol ok

Do you know what you can't see any splitting?

Because the Jinton cube is cutting it. Lower body=The Susanoo has legs. That simple.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

1. Their development being the same=/=The size and strength of their Susanoo being the same.

2. Itachi and Sasuke don't have the same Dojutsu.

Lol. Keep the shit examples coming though. It's not as if I didn't expect it.



I like how this ignores the rest of the DB which clearly talks about flight, and mountain cleaving abilities.





-The appearance being different doesn't help your argument.
-Susanoo in it's next form refers to Complete Body Susanoo. Something I've already addressed. Armored Susanoo isn't referenced at all in this entry.



Madara never said that his V4 was PS.


That's exactly what you are doing. Lol.




He says he'll use his full power. Tells them to meet PS, and then begins to bring out PS. PS isn't formed until he stabilizes his Armored Susanoo's Chakra. Telling them to meet PS refers to him beginning to bring out said PS, it doesn't mean that Armored Susanoo is PS.



Not relevant. That Susanoo and the one Madara used are the same exact stage. The only difference is size and power.



Irrelevant.


So Madara's V4 can:

-Fly
-Cut Mountains.

Good to know. Lol. Your argumentation makes absolutely no sense. This shit is like a norm for you.

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Article of Madara's "Complete Body Susanoo". And guess what the pictures show? Oh wait, they show Madara's PS, not his Armored Susanoo. Please take your head out of your ass and read the Manga. Jesus Christ almighty.






I've explained why it has it. Crying about how it's speculation because you can't counter isn't going to make an argument appear out of nowhere.




So, now we've resorted to outright lying about the Manga huh? That scan clearly shows Susanoo w/ no lower body.

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That is a lower body. I can't tell if you are acting like a retard or if you really are this daft, but there is a clear distinction between the two. What you are showing me is nothing but a Susanoo w/ no legs or a lower body. You are basically showing me a larger version of this.

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Inb4 that has a lower body too. Lol. Get your eyes checked before you reply to me again.



More detail? Are you kidding me? There's a difference between showing something with more detail, and showing something with more characteristics. Only a fool would say that what was used at VoTE and during the Gokage fight is the same exact thing but with more detail added to the latter. What I boxed is a lower body. Dancing around the point and crying about speculation isn't going to change that.




Do you know what you can't see any splitting?

Because the Jinton cube is cutting it. Lower body=The Susanoo has legs. That simple.

Ight, ill drop that "unsettled" version = PS. But in no way am I concluding that V4 has legs.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

And yes, there were obviously legs on that Susanoo, hence the lower body. At VoTE it had no lower body.

Im re analyzing continually with this scans. Plus looking at how anime interprets Edo Madara's V4. By simply looking at the difference between the one at VOTE, why should it still be considered V4 anymore?

The Edo V4 wears a gown, and all it takes is to stabilize it. Which means its practically PS without mountain busting weapons, and new dress attire, stretch into thinner clothing. Its practically going to have the same movements as PS. And its practicly the same size.

Its very similar to Ridoku Sasuke situation. His PS is the same size as his influence Buijuu chakra Susanoo, But stabilized in new chakra just gave him more power, even thinner/lighter clothing attire. Of course in a different level but it still fits in the category of Susanoo then its previous form.

 

[KidGamer65]

But in no way am I concluding that V4 has legs.

It does. The scans clearly show that.

Im re analyzing continually with this scans. Plus looking at how anime interprets Edo Madara's V4. By simply looking at the difference between the one at VOTE, why should it still be considered V4 anymore?

The Edo V4 wears a gown, and all it takes is to stabilize it. Which means its practically PS without mountain busting weapons, and new dress attire, stretch into thinner clothing. Its practically going to have the same movements as PS. And its practicly the same size.

The Edo V4 has a gown because the Edo V4 actually has a lower body and the size to show us a gown. Edo V4 and VoTE V4 literally look the same except one has more body.

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There's no reason why a lower level of Susanoo would move the same as PS. Stabilization being the only difference isn't going to change that. PS is more durable, better armor, more destructive power, and it has wings. Armored doesn't.

Its very similar to Ridoku Sasuke situation. His PS is the same size as his influence Buijuu chakra Susanoo, But stabilized in new chakra just gave him more power, even thinner/lighter clothing attire. Of course in a different level but it still fits in the category of Susanoo then its previous form.

He didn't "stabilize in" new chakra. He stored the Bijuu chakra inside his Susanoo just how you'd store the Bijuu chakra inside the Gedo Mazo, and thus it got a boost. That's nothing like what Madara does to reach PS.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

It does. The scans clearly show that.

Meant to scratch that post since I did make another post right after pointing that out.

The Edo V4 has a gown because the Edo V4 actually has a lower body and the size to show us a gown. Edo V4 and VoTE V4 literally look the same except one has more body.

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That was the point I was making. Edo's version is more complete and developed then VOTE.

There's no reason why a lower level of Susanoo would move the same as PS. Stabilization being the only difference isn't going to change that. PS is more durable, better armor, more destructive power, and it has wings. Armored doesn't.

I implying feats here. Considering not using PS as ISO, lacks foot mobility, as we witness against Gokage and Edo Hashirama. Its just a slow walking giant construction. Why should I except Edo V4 for being any slower then it already is?

He didn't "stabilize in" new chakra. He stored the Bijuu chakra inside his Susanoo just how you'd store the Bijuu chakra inside the Gedo Mazo, and thus it got a boost. That's nothing like what Madara does to reach PS.

You looking into the point too much. I was only using these as visual examples. Both are still PS despite one being superior version of each other.

 

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That was the point I was making. Edo's version is more complete and developed then VOTE.

Still the same thing, just with a lower body.

I implying feats here. Considering not using PS as ISO, lacks foot mobility, as we witness against Gokage and Edo Hashirama. Its just a slow walking giant construction. Why should I except Edo V4 for being any slower then it already is?

1. This doesn't even begin to prove your point.

2. It's a weaker Susanoo. Not being able to walk or run fast doesn't make it all around slow, and there's no reason to assume a weaker Susanoo is as fast as a stronger one.

You looking into the point too much. I was only using these as visual examples. Both are still PS despite one being superior version of each other.

No, the way they were powered up is completely relevant.