Kakashi sniped the Mazou's arm off
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it was teleported away. Before it was summoned the Mazou was a stationary target, not comparable to V2 speed so I'm really hoping you're not claiming that a kamui snipe is faster than instant teleportation.
They keyword here is
before. The mazou was sniped
before it managed to teleport. Now before I get into the V2 speed lets go over the fact that that getting to this pseudo V2 state takes multiple steps,
I can't emphasize this enough because the more steps it takes to use a jutsu the more & more likely the user will end up getting sniped.
First the raikage has to
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his V1 raiton cloak which takes a build up of chakra that the sharingan can see, let's also not forget the fact that gaara's sand managed to
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before he could activate it on top of that.
Second, unless muu/raikage are already touching eachother then they'll have to get to one another, not to mention raikage/muu alone aren't faster than obito can track individually. Then once they reach eachother they have to
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the lightening jutsu, which again takes chakra build up, & again is another step in lengthening this combo.
Kakashi sniped the gedo mazou
after madara summoned it &
before it got a chance to teleport, the mere act of summoning the GM is a
single step, it may have taken longer but it was already out of obito's body before he activated kamui [shown in your scan]. Now compare that to the
three step process the kages have to go through in order to create the pseudo V2 combo. It's clear that there are multiple chances for the duo to get sniped before they connect.
Now lets get to the V2 speed itself, ay in V2 mode
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by sasuke's amaterasu, a jutsu that was portrayed to be much much slower than kamui considering a JJ can sense the
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but not the
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. This merely reinforces the speed at which kamui can snipe, even if obito has a lock on his opponent for a moment the speed at which kamui has been shown to snipe is fast enough to tag them as long as they aren't using shunshin.
Speaking of which, shunshin is a jutsu that allows you to quickly get
from point A to point B. Even when in this pseudo V2 state they still fly at a reasonable pace [
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, it's only when this shunshin is used that they become unable to track. Unless the duo is constantly using shunshin then whenever they land at the "point B" they are open to get sniped.
Obito can't even track him with his eyes so it doesn't even matter how fast his jutsu execution speed is when he won't be able to catch him in his line of sight.
As I said above they aren't constantly using shunshin in that state, they still move at a reasonable pace when not using it & they still have to stop in order to blitz again. He doesn't need to track them as they're using their attack, that's what intangibility's for. All he has to do is look for openings when they stop to blitz again or as I said earlier he can snipe them before they even get the chance to execute this.
Sure Muu can attack, by going invisible and putting his sword through what appears to be Obito and waiting for the 5 minute kamui limit to run out.
I've been over this w/ you & others multiple times, you should know why trying to outlast obito's 5 min limit wont work.
Muu only needs to touch Raikage once to lighten him so Obito isn't sniping the Raikage after he gets V2 level speed.
Raikage
still needs to activate the cloak, muu
still needs to activate the jutsu, they
still need to reach eachother. All opportunities to get sniped at least once per step.
Definitely not, outlasting the 5 minute limit isn't a way to get around intangibility unless obito is in the sky, konan showed us this by turning the ground itself into a giant bomb.
That's assuming Muu and Raikage remain in their backpack combo for the whole battle. As I said Muu only
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to lighten him, and unlike Ay he doesn't need to make him heavy again to bust Susanoo since Nukite isn't a physical blow that depends on the amount of force behind it and rather it's a chakra-based piercing attack that extends
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Okay so you're separating them, not a big deal. Obito still does what I said & keeps an eye out for muu as well. Raikage still can't touch him & when he busts susanoo & phases through obito then that's where it ends for him anyways. If muu tries anything w/ jinton then obito w/ the aid of sharingan precog & the ability to notice chakra color will be able to spot him & snipe him accordingly.
Even better, while muu is using jinton that gives obito the perfect opportunity to warp behind him & snipe him from behind. The
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proves he can teleport at least
twice before the jutsu ends, meaning if he teleports behind muu then he still has enough time for the faster kamui snipe to end him amidst the attack. Other than that muu is a non-factor, he'll tire himself out remaining invisible & he won't ever manage to hit obito through even a ribcage w/ anything other than jinton.
Sure busting Susanoo might slow down Raikage's acceleration I guess leaving him open for a snipe.
So does this mean you're agreeing that raikage trying to bust susanoo is a bad idea?
But Muu can just wipe out Susanoo with jinton instead using a tree or a rock as cover when prepping jinton so he isn't vulnerable to a kamui snipe.
As I said above, jinton is slower than obito teleporting to sasuke & away from the attack, that gives obito two chances to teleport
as muu is firing. W/ his sharingan he'll notice the jinton since he can still see chakra
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& teleport accordingly, then that leaves muu wide open for another snipe.
You're right that Obito isn't likely to use short ranged kamui but that doesn't stop Muu from going invisible and standing behind him continually swiping his sword until the 5 minute limit runs out and Obito has to become tangible again, giving Muu an opportunity to land an attack.
You already know why this doesn't work... Obito can phase underground & miles away from the battle, thus giving him the time he needs to reset his limit. It seems like every time I get into a debate w/ you I have to repeat this point. U_U
What makes this easy for Muu is that he would sense Obito's chakra the moment he becomes tangible letting him know when it's the right opportunity to strike.
Irrelevant when obito can phase underground.
Obito won't be able to snipe Raikage when he's too fast for Obito to track with his eyes.
Doesn't need to, he plays the defensive game until raikage tries to bust his susanoo this giving obito the opportunity to warp him. If muu tries to bust it w/ jinton then obito teleports behind him & snipes him, thus ending his jutsu & making raikage a sitting duck.
Kakashi had to keep his hand materialized when attacking Kaguya otherwise the Raikiri would have just slipped through her.
This is speculation, obito has kept chakra in the real world while having his entire body remain intangible, he did it to
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Obito would have to keep his hands tangible to weave the hand seals as well as his mouth to spit out the flames.
No he wouldn't based on the above, otherwise the chakra chains would've disconnected when gyuki grabbed him. Obito only becomes tangible when he wants to warp someone or something w/
his eye. Kakashi used susanoo/raikiri + intangibility, obito used chakra chains/uchiha kaenjin/chakra absorption + intangibility. Unless obito is using his eye to warp someone away then he never has a reason to become tangible other than to reset his limit. He & kakashi have both used jutsus & maintained them while intangible. Kakashi did it w/ his raikiri, obito did it w/ his chakra chains, katon should be no different.
When Muu senses the parts of his body being vulnerable he can go in for the kill and target those areas (assuming Muu is near Obito when that happens, and I don't see anything stopping him from coming close.)
He still doesn't have the speed to bypass intangibility, even if obito can't use jutsus while intangible that doesn't change the fact that attacks will still phase through him unless he specifically solidifies himself, & he only does that when using
his eye to warp someone away.
I'm not understanding how Obito would be sniping away KCM Naruto's clones with such ease when Naruto's shunshin is canonically faster than V2 Ay's who could not be tracked with MS.
As I said, shunshin is a blitz from point
A to point B,
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are some
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of what I'm
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. Naruto can't maintain a constant shunshin on the level he used to evade ay's punch, otherwise obito would never have been able to
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& ay would never have
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in the first place. He has a
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& a shunshin speed. When naruto isn't using shunshin to blitz then he's susceptible to a snipe because he isn't moving that fast.
If Obito can't get them in his line of sight, he can't snipe them with long range kamui no matter how fast kamui's execution speed is.
& Naruto can't escape once they do enter his line of sight,
& they will eventually enter obito's LoS due to the very nature of how naruto's speed works. He's not blitzing around the battlefield like a bolt of lightning as he's never been shown to fight like that in KCM. Once he lands at his "point B" he's in a position to get sniped until he blitzes away again.
Naruto wasn't using shunshin in his canon fight and shuriken are way too slow to catch him so CQC does nothing for Obito.
That's simply how shunshin works so that changes nothing about their fight. As I said naruto can't constantly blitz left & right w/ that speed, he has to eventually stop in order to shunshin again.
& Shuriken = gunbai, the only difference is the reach which isn't a problem. Obito managed to hit naruto w/ a weapon, that's a feat for obito's cqc. Changing weapons doesn't = slower attacking speed so he still gets hit, he just has to be closer.
Although, I'm not seeing how Naruto would land a hit on Obito either so in the end it becomes a battle of attrition in which case Naruto ends up outlasting.
Obito can constantly attempt to snipe the clones assuming naruto can even create enough to distract him before he gets sniped [since you didn't address that point]. If obito runs into chakra problems then he can teleport to his dimension in order to rest so that won't be an issue. He'll eventually hit naruto given he actually has a way to hurt him while naruto still doesn't.
Naruto can still outlast.
Not unless he has a way of attacking obito inside his dimension.
Obito would most likely win then. He can spam kamui all day long and kill any shadow clones until he gets to the real Madara then quickly warp him away because Madara isn't fast enough to counterattack double kamui warping speed or consistently avoid kamui.
This is the exact same case for KCM naruto. Naruto can't constantly move faster than ay otherwise he'd literally be blitzing all of his war arc opponents, but he didn't blitz itachi, nagato, obito, muu, & he only blitzed raikage/ay/kisame because he actually used shunshin. He's never been shown to keep that pace for more than a single jump, they'd get sniped w/ a bit more difficulty than madara's clones would.
