Can Naruto/Kurama break Sasuke's CT?

[Lord Tywin]

^ What a load of garbage.

:lol my post or the other guy's?

 

[shelke]

^ The other guy's. The net was slow so my post came in late.

 

[KeyofDestiny]

The manga already proved years ago that an outward force like Shinra Tensei can be countered by an equally if not more overpowering outward force, which KN6 Naruto conjured up. Even though Sasuke is many, many times more powerful than Pein via Nagato proxy, the scaling applies to Naruto to. KN6 Naruto > Pein's Shinra Tensei. RSM Naruto is far above any of that and thus the same logic can be applied. No one said Naruto still can't use chakra roars. And coming from a Naruto with RSM, he'll quite easily overpower the force. And even besides that, he can manipulate the Truth Seeking Orbs around himself to completely eradicate the debris coming to him.

Why in the world are you even comparing Shinra Tensei to Chibaku Tensei? Lmao. Did you even bother to read anything in my post? Shinra Tensei is one big burst, that's why Naruto can overpower it, and the fact that it's a repulsive force makes it easy to overpower it. Chibaku Tensei is a continuous attractive force. How in the world do you overpower an attractive force in the first place? Lmao. Everything you are saying Naruto does are only things he can do in one big burst. Even if this "overpowering" thing was plausible, (which it obviously isn't) it's continuous. It'd just keep pulling him in. Lmao.


Don't mention Shinra Tensei again. Works nothing like Chibaku Tensei.

And even if we went ahead and said that everything you are saying makes sense, KN6 overpowering weakened Deva Path's basic ass Shinra Tensei isn't proof that RSM Naruto can withstand the pull of Rinnegan Rikudo enhanced Sasuke's Chibaku Tensei.

 

[Chaosmark101]

Why in the world are you even comparing Shinra Tensei to Chibaku Tensei? Lmao. Did you even bother to read anything in my post? Shinra Tensei is one big burst, that's why Naruto can overpower it, and the fact that it's a repulsive force makes it easy to overpower it. Chibaku Tensei is a continuous attractive force. How in the world do you overpower an attractive force in the first place? Lmao. Everything you are saying Naruto does are only things he can do in one big burst. Even if this "overpowering" thing was plausible, (which it obviously isn't) it's continuous. It'd just keep pulling him in. Lmao.


Don't mention Shinra Tensei again. Works nothing like Chibaku Tensei.

And even if we went ahead and said that everything you are saying makes sense, KN6 overpowering weakened Deva Path's basic ass Shinra Tensei isn't proof that RSM Naruto can withstand the pull of Rinnegan Rikudo enhanced Sasuke's Chibaku Tensei.

Question. Where in the manga has any CT as you guys are stating to have a continuous attractive force continued too pull after the fact?

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And the one in their home Dimension the first Six Paths CT the moon. Stopped expanding, it never continuously pulled the earth.

 

[Seventh Sama]

Question. Where in the manga has any CT as you guys are stating to have a continuous attractive force continued too pull after the fact?

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And the one in their home Dimension the first Six Paths CT the moon. Stopped expanding, it never continuously pulled the earth.

Hmm, idk if this might help you but when madara summoned the gedo mazo from the moon there was no rocks trying to cover it as if it was still the core so being the "core" of CT seems to be a one time thing.

 

[Chaosmark101]

Hmm, idk if this might help you but when madara summoned the gedo mazo from the moon there was no rocks trying to cover it as if it was still the core so being the "core" of CT seems to be a one time thing.

yeah Madara summoning the gedo statue left NV's moon intact,It was just missing the the statue after.

I'm just saying there's no evidence that CT is the unstoppable attractive force that would consume everything as people have been saying.

Edit: If I didn't make it clear above. I'm saying Deva Path CT is <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< than Six Paths CT used by hago/hamura & Noodles & Sauce with the seals.

Since the moon actually regularly pulls small meteorites, and the ocean etc

 

[Transcendence]

Why in the world are you even comparing Shinra Tensei to Chibaku Tensei? Lmao. Did you even bother to read anything in my post? Shinra Tensei is one big burst, that's why Naruto can overpower it, and the fact that it's a repulsive force makes it easy to overpower it. Chibaku Tensei is a continuous attractive force. How in the world do you overpower an attractive force in the first place? Lmao. Everything you are saying Naruto does are only things he can do in one big burst. Even if this "overpowering" thing was plausible, (which it obviously isn't) it's continuous. It'd just keep pulling him in. Lmao.


Don't mention Shinra Tensei again. Works nothing like Chibaku Tensei.

And even if we went ahead and said that everything you are saying makes sense, KN6 overpowering weakened Deva Path's basic ass Shinra Tensei isn't proof that RSM Naruto can withstand the pull of Rinnegan Rikudo enhanced Sasuke's Chibaku Tensei.

They both tread on the same principle, just one is attractive and the other is repulsive. And no, I didn't. I came in and saw a post on page 2 I believe, responded, and then left. Before saying your opinion is completely fact, why don't you actually prove CT is continuous? There is no conclusive proof to suggest it is continuous. Since if the orb in a regular CT is destroyed, the attracting force dissipates. Again, my example is just comparing two jutsu that use the same principle in opposite manners. I'm unable to conjure up a fallible analogy but the best example I can give is this. Chibaku Tensei's attraction is 4 guys jumping one guy. The one guy getting jumped emits the analogy's equivalent to a chakra roar scaled to RSM Naruto vs Rin'negan Sasuke. Guys are negated from attacking. Also, there is no actual proof Sasuke uses the actual target as a core. It was a quick assertion that has stood the test of time from when that chapter was released. The more likely scenario (and obviously Sasuke's is more advanced) is that Sasuke uses the area around his chosen target to draw the earth to them, giving the illusion that he uses the target as its core. And yes, it makes absolutely perfect sense. The difference between KN6 and RSM is quite likely the same as between a weakened Deva (who by the way, could still use Chibaku Tensei and fight off Naruto clones before losing) and Rin'negan, Rikudou enhanced Sasuke.

 

[Transcendence]

^ What a load of garbage.

Why are you still posting in this section like you're actually relevant. Go back to looking at your Literature degree.

How a roar can push away the force when you're the force's core itself?

Do you have actual proof that the person is the core? Refer to my analogy in the post above this.

 

[BSK]

*comes back after a month to see more stupidity*

I'm honestly just going to make one post and then dip again. Your argument is horrible, but I bear no ill will. It doesn't matter if Sasuke use the space around the target as the core. It's dictated by gravity. Shinra Tensei/Chibaku Tensei/Bansho Tenin, they're all either Inward or Outward forces governed by gravity. In Sasuke's case, it draws the earth toward the target (an inward force pulled towards Kurama for example). The manga already proved years ago that an outward force like Shinra Tensei can be countered by an equally if not more overpowering outward force, which KN6 Naruto conjured up. Even though Sasuke is many, many times more powerful than Pein via Nagato proxy, the scaling applies to Naruto to. KN6 Naruto > Pein's Shinra Tensei. RSM Naruto is far above any of that and thus the same logic can be applied. No one said Naruto still can't use chakra roars. And coming from a Naruto with RSM, he'll quite easily overpower the force. And even besides that, he can manipulate the Truth Seeking Orbs around himself to completely eradicate the debris coming to him.

Lol atleast nobody can say you didn't try.

 

[Transcendence]

Lol atleast nobody can say you didn't try.

Concession accepted.

 

[Ambivalence]

My take on the whole continuous CT attraction is that it's dependent on however much chakra (being equivalent to the quantity of rocks) is needed to successfully hold the target in question. Pain's CT

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attracting more rocks after KN6 Naruto was captured. The jutsu already ended, and since it wasn't originally cast to hold a KN8 Naruto, it got busted and didn't attract any more rocks for a second capture. Sasuke's CT also stopped forming after all the Bijus were successfully subdued. The Sun and Moon CT obviously needed a lot more of the Kaguya dimension's surface to hold the Juubi and Kaguya herself, which is why it continued forming for a longer period of time, so that's not really a useful argument, Transcendence.

I really, really doubt Naruto could just repel the initial rock blast and CT would magically stop, there really is no sufficient manga evidence to back this claim up, especially since he himself will be the core.

The more likely scenario (and obviously Sasuke's is more advanced) is that Sasuke uses the area around his chosen target to draw the earth to them, giving the illusion that he uses the target as its core.

I don't think so. If it was the area the Biju that Sasuke targeted, they would be encased in a sphere without their actual bodies touching the debris, much like an empty Water Prison technique. As we see

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this is not the case, as the rocks are directly being smashed against Kurama's body. I think it's actually pretty obvious that Sasuke's target is the core for his version of CT.

 

[Transcendence]

Posting this as a placeholder so I can respond to Ambivalence.

 

[Seventh Sama]

yeah Madara summoning the gedo statue left NV's moon intact,It was just missing the the statue after.

I'm just saying there's no evidence that CT is the unstoppable attractive force that would consume everything as people have been saying.

Edit: If I didn't make it clear above. I'm saying Deva Path CT is <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< than Six Paths CT used by hago/hamura & Noodles & Sauce with the seals.

Since the moon actually regularly pulls small meteorites, and the ocean etc

Well, The moon is so big that wouldn't need to be held together by the core anymore. But still I agree it isn't continuous.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Why are you still posting in this section like you're actually relevant. Go back to looking at your Literature degree.



Do you have actual proof that the person is the core? Refer to my analogy in the post above this.

I doubt Sasuke used the area around the bijuus. The rocks were stuck to the bijuus. I doubt Naruto can simply use a roar to get rid of the attraction force of it. He can for sure break it with his chakra hands though.

 

[Chaosmark101]

Well, The moon is so big that wouldn't need to be held together by the core anymore. But still I agree it isn't continuous.

Yeah it's definitely just due to the sheer mass of the moon that it continues to pull.

Otherwise the Mazo being the CT core would have uprooted the earth again when Madara summoned it to earth.

 

[Chaosmark101]

I doubt Sasuke used the area around the bijuus. The rocks were stuck to the bijuus. I doubt Naruto can simply use a roar to get rid of the attraction force of it. He can for sure break it with his chakra hands though.

Well a chakra roar by a rikudo enhanced rikudou senjutsu Naruto should knock back or disintegrate the rocks.

BM Naruto knocked back 5 Bijuu with just a chakra roar his first time ever using BM.

The only other person doing something akin to that was SM Madara using Limbo to rag doll the bijuus.

It really doesn't matter anyways if Naruto was to become trapped in CT. It wouldn't harm him while in his rikudou senjutsu enhanced kyuubi avatar, and he has More than enough power to escape from it.

After all he made quick work of JJ Madaras CT.
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Sorry for dbl posting guys^^

 

[Lord Tywin]

Well a chakra roar by a rikudo enhanced rikudou senjutsu Naruto should knock back or disintegrate the rocks.

BM Naruto knocked back 5 Bijuu with just a chakra roar his first time ever using BM.

The only other person doing something akin to that was SM Madara using Limbo to rag doll the bijuus.

It really doesn't matter anyways if Naruto was to become trapped in CT. It wouldn't harm him while in his rikudou senjutsu enhanced kyuubi avatar, and he has More than enough power to escape from it.

After all he made quick work of JJ Madaras CT.

Sorry for dbl posting guys^^

Agreed. Rocks won't even phase Naruto.

 

[KeyofDestiny]

They both tread on the same principle, just one is attractive and the other is repulsive. And no, I didn't. I came in and saw a post on page 2 I believe, responded, and then left. Before saying your opinion is completely fact, why don't you actually prove CT is continuous? There is no conclusive proof to suggest it is continuous. Since if the orb in a regular CT is destroyed, the attracting force dissipates. Again, my example is just comparing two jutsu that use the same principle in opposite manners.

Bruh...

Are you kidding me? Prove that CT is continuous? Pain activates it, and then it drags rocks up until he decides to stop it or until he's reached his limit. That is a continuous force as it doesn't occur and then dissipate like Shinra Tensei does. It's not one burst like Shinra Tensei is. One being attractive and one being repulsive doesn't let you compare the two when you are obviously forgetting this fact. No conclusive proof......smh.


Then there's the fact that them being different, whether or not they follow the same principle, negates your argument. Same principle doesn't mean same exact thing, so the same exact things don't always apply to both.

I'm unable to conjure up a fallible analogy but the best example I can give is this. Chibaku Tensei's attraction is 4 guys jumping one guy. The one guy getting jumped emits the analogy's equivalent to a chakra roar scaled to RSM Naruto vs Rin'negan Sasuke. Guys are negated from attacking.

Your analogy fails for the simple reason that the 4 men jumping at the one guy isn't a portrayal of a continuous force. Here's the analogy that works. 4 guys jump at the one guy, the one guy repels them, but the 4 guys come right back a second later....assuming you can even overpower a repulsive force. It doesn't make sense for Naruto to be able to counter an attractive force the same exact way he countered a repulsive force.

Also, there is no actual proof Sasuke uses the actual target as a core. It was a quick assertion that has stood the test of time from when that chapter was released. The more likely scenario (and obviously Sasuke's is more advanced) is that Sasuke uses the area around his chosen target to draw the earth to them, giving the illusion that he uses the target as its core.

Lol, you are grasping at straws here man. CT's gravity core is where all the rock attaches to and gathers around. The same exact thing happened with the Gedo Mazo, which was STATED to be made into the energy core. The same thing happened with the Bijuu too when Sasuke used CT. So it's undeniable manga fact that the gravity core IS the target.

Originally Posted by FF-Suzaku
"Chibaku Tensei / Six Paths Chibaku Tensei" has a single entry, and lists "Nagato / Naruto and Sasuke, Hagoromo and Hamura" as its users. It's a kekkei genkai sealing jutsu.

Six Paths Chibaku Tensei is invoked when two users simultaneously touch their target with the "Yin" and "Yang" seals. It rips a giant chunk of earth up and turns it into a heavenly body, becoming the Prison of Six Paths (六道の獄 Rokudō no Goku) that can capture all things (万物捕, "banbutsuto"). It's a sealing jutsu that can be used by individuals who awaken Six Paths Senjutsu. "Chibaku Tensei" is the version that can be used by a single individual, while "Six Paths Chibaku Tensei" is a more powerful version that requires two individuals simultaneously combining the power of Yin and Yang. It turns the sealing target into a gravity core in the sky, which attracts chunks of earth that bury them alive. This forms a heavenly body in the sky that can act as a prison for even a tailed beast. The section in the bottom left describes how the moon was the result of Six Paths Chibaku Tensei, and that so much chakra was contained within that it turned into a gigantic sattelite. It also describes it as a giant sealing stone (封印石 "Fuinseki"), which implies that Kishimoto took some inspiration from those giant "sealing stones" you sometimes see -- the big boulders with the kanji inscribed on them, usually with the ceremonial ropes adoring them.

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What you are saying isn't even plausible let alone "the more likely" scenario. If what you were saying were true, the Bijuu wouldn't even have rocks on their bodies like Ambivalence said in his reply.

And yes, it makes absolutely perfect sense. The difference between KN6 and RSM is quite likely the same as between a weakened Deva (who by the way, could still use Chibaku Tensei and fight off Naruto clones before losing) and Rin'negan, Rikudou enhanced Sasuke.

Which is based on literally nothing, nor does it take the gap between Deva's basic ST, Deva's strong ST, and then Sasuke's own CT at it's max.

 

[V h o]

Yeah he can, just wait till CT ends then break out of the rocks.

 

[shelke]

Why are you still posting in this section like you're actually relevant. Go back to looking at your Literature degree.

I am surprised you can even spell relevant and degree. Comparing gravity to an outward force? Your post is still garbage, so let's all accept it and move on.