BSM Minato vs DMS Kakashi

[Beans2]

This is fanfic BSM Minato
-Is a perfect jin with both halves of Kurama
-Has mastered Sage Mode and can fuse SM chakra with Kurama's chakra, attaining BSM

Who wins this?

 

[Omar19992010]

Kakashi still wins

 

[KidGamer65]

Kakashi rapes. Sage Mode and the other half of Kurama aren't putting him on a level where he can take out someone enhanced by Rikudo's Chakra. Susanoo tears him up in CQC. Either with it's sword or with Kamui Shuriken, which creates a warp barrier larger than the whole of Minato's Avatar.

 

[I'm stupid real stupid]

Kakashi stomps
Restrict Kakashi's Rikudo Chakra and then Minato stomps

 

[Great Master Minato]

You shouldn't compare Rikudo Chakra enhanced people to others...it's always a stomp in their favor.

 

[Beans2]

Kakashi rapes. Sage Mode and the other half of Kurama aren't putting him on a level where he can take out someone enhanced by Rikudo's Chakra. Susanoo tears him up in CQC. Either with it's sword or with Kamui Shuriken, which creates a warp barrier larger than the whole of Minato's Avatar.

Well think about how powerful BSM Naruto's largest TBB is on its own, and we know with 100% Kurama it's at least twice that powerful...I doubt PS would tank something like that without damage. If Susanoo enters CQC with that avatar, it won't be difficult for Minato to mark Susanoo and teleport it away from Kakashi. Also I doubt that a single PS slash would cut apart a full Avatar enhanced with BSM. Kamui shuriken can be warped back at Kakashi with Space-Time Barrier or intercepted with bijuudama.

What if Minato gets Naruto's feat of shadow clones using Kurama avatar? He can teleport to them to avoid PS slashes.

 

[KidGamer65]

Well think about how powerful BSM Naruto's largest TBB is on its own, and we know with 100% Kurama it's at least twice that powerful...I doubt PS would tank something like that without damage.

BSM Naruto's Flash Bijuu Dama would be at least as strong as the combined one that BM Naruto and the 5 Bijuu used. Double that explosion or that power and it's still not enough to do anything significant to Kakashi's Susanoo. It wouldn't even be enough to one shot Madara's PS given the size of VoTE, which was formed by Chojo Kebutsu, which was the bare minimum needed to defeat PS. If it's stronger, which is very possible, then it wouldn't be so much stronger than it'd bridge the gap between a Rikudo enhanced Susanoo and a regular one. At best it comes out with damage around what Sasuke's PS took at VoTE against Naruto.

And even then, that assumes Minato isn't getting slapped around while this happens, which he will be.

If Susanoo enters CQC with that avatar, it won't be difficult for Minato to mark Susanoo and teleport it away from Kakashi.

Actually it will. Outsped Kaguya's chakra arms which RSM Naruto considered to be fast. It'd be slapping Kurama Mode Minato around like no mans business. Speed difference is overwhelming between the two Avatars. Overwhelming. Minato needs to be able to make contact with it long enough for him to be able to warp it away. It'll be Kakashi's Susanoo slapping his Avatar around just how Sasuke's Bijuu PS easily fodder slapped Naruto's Kurama Avatar.

Even if he warps it away. What then? After a while Kakashi just puts it back up since Minato can't finish him fast enough to stop him from doing so.

Also I doubt that a single PS slash would cut apart a full Avatar enhanced with BSM.

Considering it's enhanced by Rikudo's Chakra, all it takes are a few slashes.

-Madara already cuts multiple Mountains with his Susanoo.

-Senjutsu would increase that by at least double. Rikudo Senjutsu Chakra>>>>>>>Senjutsu Chakra.

-Sasuke's V3 became as durable and as physically powerful as Naruto's Avatar after getting a boost far inferior to a Rikudo Chakra boost. Same goes for it's DC. Kakashi's PS is like EMS Sasuke or even EMS Madara's Susanoo but on Rikudo Chakra steroids.

So yes. PS Slashes would obliterate his Avatar.

Kamui shuriken can be warped back at Kakashi with Space-Time Barrier or intercepted with bijuudama.

Not if Kakashi uses them as melee weapons instead of projectiles. That prevents Bijuu Dama since his Avatar won't be able to properly react to a Susanoo that is faster than Kaguya's chakra arms at close range, and it prevents S/T Barrier since it's not a 360 degree shield.

What if Minato gets Naruto's feat of shadow clones using Kurama avatar? He can teleport to them to avoid PS slashes.

And then Kakashi would just go after Minato once he's teleported away. If Minato makes it a game of cat and mouse, his Kurama Mode time limit comes in and he dies a terrible death afterwards.

 

[Selan]

Kakashi blitzes with Kamui Raikiri. Or negs with Rikudo enhanced Perfect Susanoo. Or just long range Kamui GG.

 

[Beans2]

BSM Naruto's Flash Bijuu Dama would be at least as strong as the combined one that BM Naruto and the 5 Bijuu used. Double that explosion or that power and it's still not enough to do anything significant to Kakashi's Susanoo. It wouldn't even be enough to one shot Madara's PS given the size of VoTE, which was formed by Chojo Kebutsu, which was the bare minimum needed to defeat PS. If it's stronger, which is very possible, then it wouldn't be so much stronger than it'd bridge the gap between a Rikudo enhanced Susanoo and a regular one. At best it comes out with damage around what Sasuke's PS took at VoTE against Naruto.

And even then, that assumes Minato isn't getting slapped around while this happens, which he will be.



Actually it will. Outsped Kaguya's chakra arms which RSM Naruto considered to be fast. It'd be slapping Kurama Mode Minato around like no mans business. Speed difference is overwhelming between the two Avatars. Overwhelming. Minato needs to be able to make contact with it long enough for him to be able to warp it away. It'll be Kakashi's Susanoo slapping his Avatar around just how Sasuke's Bijuu PS easily fodder slapped Naruto's Kurama Avatar.

Even if he warps it away. What then? After a while Kakashi just puts it back up since Minato can't finish him fast enough to stop him from doing so.



Considering it's enhanced by Rikudo's Chakra, all it takes are a few slashes.

-Madara already cuts multiple Mountains with his Susanoo.

-Senjutsu would increase that by at least double. Rikudo Senjutsu Chakra>>>>>>>Senjutsu Chakra.

-Sasuke's V3 became as durable and as physically powerful as Naruto's Avatar after getting a boost far inferior to a Rikudo Chakra boost. Same goes for it's DC. Kakashi's PS is like EMS Sasuke or even EMS Madara's Susanoo but on Rikudo Chakra steroids.

So yes. PS Slashes would obliterate his Avatar.



Not if Kakashi uses them as melee weapons instead of projectiles. That prevents Bijuu Dama since his Avatar won't be able to properly react to a Susanoo that is faster than Kaguya's chakra arms at close range, and it prevents S/T Barrier since it's not a 360 degree shield.



And then Kakashi would just go after Minato once he's teleported away. If Minato makes it a game of cat and mouse, his Kurama Mode time limit comes in and he dies a terrible death afterwards.

I'll agree that Kakashi wins, but I just want to point out one thing.

It wouldn't even be enough to one shot Madara's PS

Perfect Susanoo's best durability feat is taking a standard bijuu dama. That just doesn't compare to this Minato's strongest TBB.

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A TBB at least twice as big as the one in the picture above, since that's only 50% Kurama.
Now add a senjutsu boost on top of that.

The damage output from that TBB's explosion would far surpass Shinsuusenju, and Madara's PS would be obliterated.

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(which makes sense because Naruto couldn't continue to charge up his TBB to make it any bigger, or else he wouldn't be able to fire it in time to counter the 5 bijuu's combine Bijuu Dama). So that means his strongest TBB's explosion would be more than twice as big as

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, not even factoring in the senjutsu boost it would get. 100% Kurama BSM Minato's flash Bijuu Dama would wreck Shinsuusenju.

Or we can scale down from above. RSM Avatar = Rinnegan Sasuke's PS. Take away Rikudou power ups and it's either BSM Avatar = Sasuke's PS or BM Avatar = Sasuke
s PS (I personally think it's the latter). We can roughly estimate the difference in BSM and BM avatars as at least the same difference between Madara's PS and Sasuke's PS so that ends up being 50% BSM Avatar = Madara's PS. A TBB from an avatar at least twice as strong as that would eradicate EMS Madara's PS.

Though I agree now that Kakashi's PS would take little damage from that, and he wins this matchup without much difficulty.

 

[TRE MERCER]

DMS Kakashi rapes.

BSM Minato wouldn't be far off if they both have the little bit of Hagoromo chakra. But even if they did Minato loses.​

 

[Great Master Minato]

^ Kakashi wins only because of Rikudo Chakra...take it from him or give to Minato as well then Minato schools him.

 

[I'm stupid real stupid]

^ Kakashi wins only because of Rikudo Chakra...take it from him or give to Minato as well then Minato schools him.

Let's exclude Rikudo Chakra from Kakashi and which Minato would beat him?
Are you talking about regular BM Minato or the above Minato in Beans thread?

 

[Draphsin]

Kamui shuriken rips BM apart.

 

[KidGamer65]

I'll agree that Kakashi wins, but I just want to point out one thing.

Perfect Susanoo's best durability feat is taking a standard bijuu dama. That just doesn't compare to this Minato's strongest TBB.

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A TBB at least twice as big as the one in the picture above, since that's only 50% Kurama.
Now add a senjutsu boost on top of that.

Yes, but that Bijuu Dama>BM Naruto's Flash Bijuu Dama, so whether or not that'd bust Madara's PS doesn't matter in regards to my statement since I never said it couldn't.

The damage output from that TBB's explosion would far surpass Shinsuusenju, and Madara's PS would be obliterated

From the one in the pic x2+Senjutsu? Sure.

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(which makes sense because Naruto couldn't continue to charge up his TBB to make it any bigger, or else he wouldn't be able to fire it in time to counter the 5 bijuu's combine Bijuu Dama). So that means his strongest TBB's explosion would be more than twice as big as

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, not even factoring in the senjutsu boost it would get. 100% Kurama BSM Minato's flash Bijuu Dama would wreck Shinsuusenju.

100% Kurama BM Minato's Flash Bijuu Dama would be equal to what we see in the picture. Compare that to the Mountains and then compare this explosion to the surrounding Mountains.

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It's clear which one is larger.

Then we have the trench and teh rest of VoTE which was created by Shinsuusenju's Chojo Kebutsu.

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Give it Senjutsu and it'd probably one shot it though, didn't take that into account.

Or we can scale down from above. RSM Avatar = Rinnegan Sasuke's PS. Take away Rikudou power ups and it's either BSM Avatar = Sasuke's PS or BM Avatar = Sasuke's PS (I personally think it's the latter).

That's accurate.

We can roughly estimate the difference in BSM and BM avatars as at least the same difference between Madara's PS and Sasuke's PS so that ends up being 50% BSM Avatar = Madara's PS. A TBB from an avatar at least twice as strong as that would eradicate EMS Madara's PS.

Wrong. There's no evidence at all to prove or support that the difference etween Sasuke's PS and Madara's PS is the difference between BSM Kurama Avatar and BM Kurama Avatar. Considering the fact that VoTE>Juubito's crater, and the fact that the dropslam that made said crater destroyed Sasuke's Senjutsu Susanoo, which should be nearly as durable as his hypothetical Senjutsu PS, give or take, meaning EMS Madara's PS>Senjutsu PS from Sasuke>Normal PS from Sasuke.

 

[Shitenshin no jutsu]

Kakashi rapes.

 

[Great Master Minato]

Let's exclude Rikudo Chakra from Kakashi and which Minato would beat him?
Are you talking about regular BM Minato or the above Minato in Beans thread?

Without Rikudo Chakra regular BM Minato is enough to beat DMS Kakashi...but with Rikudo Chakra no matter what power up you give to Minato he can't compete unless you give him Rikudo Chakra as well...it's so OP.

 

[wael reda]

@KG , beans

I just wanted to clarify two points

1-I think EMS Sasuke's PS is equal to BSM Naruto no BM naruto
As you can clearly see that RSM naruto has toad eyes ,which means he was using Toad Sage Mode

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So If we removed rikudo power from both ,then sasuke's PS would be equal to BSM naruto's avatar not BM avatar


2- I think the flash big doma naruto used against the biju isn't smaller than the one karma used against naruto
Here you can see a biju compared to flash biju doma

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I don't think it is smaller than this considering that half karma is as big as a biju

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[KidGamer65]

He was using Toad Sage Mode, but he was only using Hagoromo's chakra/Senjutsu to attain said mode. So it's basically BM Naruto using Hagoromo's chakra instead of the standard Nature Energy. Take that away, and you are left with a Senjutsuless Naruto and Sasuke. BM Naruto and EMS Sasuke.

 

[TRE MERCER]

^ Kakashi wins only because of Rikudo Chakra...take it from him or give to Minato as well then Minato schools him.

Even then he'll still rape the man. Sasuke proved that a Susanoo chidori can easily match Bijuudama's. Kakashi does this with his Susanoo but uses Kamui Rakiri he'll faze through anything since he's using Kamui rakiri and one shot the BM avatar. Minato won't be able to dodge because the Kurama avatar isn't very fast his ftg will be buried up piles of debris via shockwaves so he gets raped. Bijuudama's meet Kamui shuriken.​

 

[Great Master Minato]

Even then he'll still rape the man. Sasuke proved that a Susanoo chidori can easily match Bijuudama's. Kakashi does this with his Susanoo but uses Kamui Rakiri he'll faze through anything since he's using Kamui rakiri and one shot the BM avatar. Minato won't be able to dodge because the Kurama avatar isn't very fast his ftg will be buried up piles of debris via shockwaves so he gets raped. Bijuudama's meet Kamui shuriken.​

Rikudo enhanced Minato would blitz Kakashi left & right...it's not even funny...base Naruto's shunshin is tiers below base Minato yet RSM Naruto blitzed Kaguya...give the same boost to Minato & he'll shunshin blitz Kakashi so fast that he can't even go intangible & I'm pretty sure that a Rikudo enhanced Kurama Avatar won't get one shot by a PS Raikiri.