Was that post suppose to show him being constructive and not insulting? And are you saying you agree with his premise that I'm solely responsible for town losing?
In fact every single player in a team is responsive for a loss.
Me for eg. because I let myself lynched, and i can find for everyone a reason, but what impacted the most town's team was coming from your slot. This is an objective thing, because you were the town night killing power.
Town vig is a two edged sword.
You know what let me summarize his points and my rebuttals and you tell me if his points are legitamate.
Again his only criticism was that I had bad reads and stating that I have terrible skills to read scum as if I was responsible for causing town to die for 6 phases. The game lasted for only 3 phases. Before we look at my reads let's look at his for one he pushed you do you think that was a good read from him? Then he asked me to kill shanks in the first night you think that was a good read?
Everyone can have bad reads in day 1.
It's not a crime to have bad reads, but your role in this game needs more time to play, reread and engage in discussions with everyone, trying to understand alignament. You need to see reactions, to compare meta with what you know and keep a reserve in your push. And you have to think at the reason of posting a thing or another from town vs wolf perspective.
You have to read thorough the thread, to see reaction for a slot from other players, to seize a possible scum agenda or narrative pushed, and see context and action from everyone. Each player need a separate read and you have to place him in a separate list and notice what gives him villa points or scum points. Sometimes a single villa point makes from a player a lock town, and that depends on the power of your belief you found his specific towntell or a general lock town action.
That doesn't exclude the continous reevaluation you have to do at any flip who brings you new data inputs.
The only players who have a clear lynch target are the wolves. They know who to lynch.
The simple fact Luke didn't defend me nor accused me would be enough for me to not SR him in day 2 if i were alive because he showed lack of information. Alice looked like she knew i am a mislynch but didn't take any action at Eod, so she had TMI and was pleased with the gamestate.
In this game Al played different than his scum game by the fact he cared about the game. This made me town read him.
The game has 3 days and 6 phases because night is a phase who alternates with the day phases.
You as town Power Role (PR) and having killing ability, you had actions to do in all game's phases.
I wish to remember you i was lynched with 2 votes which is atrocious.
Shanks wasn't playing at his capacity and I scum read him a lot, and looking at the fact he was modkilled latter, no matter he was town (PR or vanilla player) he would be a way better night one kill.
And he could be mafia very well at the way he played. Low and ambiguous poster.
I can understand paranoia too if you say you was convinced SK was scum.
But...
For one I was the only player hesitant in lynchs and tried push logical lynchs and have people be wary of illogical bandwagon lynchs which he was for. He was mad I killed him first night i targeted him i likely knew he was town wanted to test my theory town is cops and that i didnt like how he was guiding town since it was wreckless. The only big susses i had in the game were all red and al sama. All red for just acting erradict and not giving good lynchs which she admitted in the end of the game she was purposefully trying to throw the game. I was sussing al sama because I thought he was trying to initially misguide the gunsmith I gave him multiple opportunities to defend himself of that which he chose not to do. So can you blame me for having those susses?
If you "likely knew" he was town and still killed him you acted against your wincon. To kill a townie to test a theory is not the way to win a game.
You went too hard on the mechanics talk in day one and all the conversation around this was changing the point of the game which is to find scum. Scum will most easy be hiding in mechanics talk. So insisting several pages on this was not beneficial for villagers.
I had a town read for Al since the get go and I said iirc that Red cannot be mafia while playing like that. So idk why you suspected these 2. I can't find any reason. Except you SR Al because he didn't agree with you which is a vanity read. To find scum we need more than that. And he didn't interact with you, but then is the scum read more a punishment? Scum doesn't argue nor ignore someone because they are affraid of loosing, they would better pocket you during the game and slightly misdirect you. A confrontational attitude comes often from townies than wolves.
I have a question for you:
1. did you re-read the day one before you decided to shot SK?
Then I ask soul what reason should I have sussed ansat and alice not giving me any reason to suss them.
You should suspect Alice when she let me die without a vote on a counter wagon who would have 50% chance of saving me, saying in the same time she wants to help but it's not her fault SK went to bed after voting me. I said it from the top of my head, that was the moment when I knew she is scum. Townies really give a help when they say they want to help. Scum let things flow. Is the "laissez-faire" who benefits scum and who could be seen.
About Ansa until endgame i could maybe find reasons to scum read him but he has a nice day one and i town read him all the day. Though, when Luke flipped villager you could consider him town motivated and put for Ansa a big question mark. I would consider his oppinion valuable due to his play experience.
While is true that we should not sheep any reads, especially midgame NKs have a meaning and analising them is a good starting. Did you ever put the question in your mind "which are the NKs reasons?" ?
And he purposefully dismisses my accomplishment of being one of the last players and without ansat skill I could of won. But gives alice and ansat props of getting to that point but I'm solely at fault for town losing and his constructive criticism is that I suck at reading not giving me any advice on how I could improve giving him an opportunity to give me constructive advice which he chose not to. He also didnt want to awknowledge town that weren't trying that contributed to the lose nope I was solely at fault for the results.
Except i am scum, living until endgame makes me extremely furious against myself because when I am not mislynched like in this game meaning i had an under average play and I am not NKed meaning wolves needs me dead, being alive in the last day of the game especially when i am one of the last 3-4, means I played poor and/or i had bad reads.
As general rule, during the game the best townies are NKed by mafia so a player like SK living in d3 is sticking out as not town (so town vig NKing him in night 1 is a bad thing.)
Also the best wolves are usually the last wolves standing, so while lynching the wolves you have to search if possible for the active and dangerous ones. This requires game experience. Order to find and lynch wolves matters.
So at endgame you have usually the weakest or wrongest townplayers and the strongest or luckyest scum players.
So in light of that how can you say his post isn't meant to be insulting but constructive? When its literally insulting me which you've yet to call soul out on or give substantive and fair reasons its clear as day his "criticism" are shallow and intended just to smear me.
His criticism is not shallow but is underexplainey. Is not easy to post an whole mafia theory and i tryed, but i know it's not complete so for everyone who wants to add or ask, i hope this discussion will help.
Not connected with SKs post but as general thing and including my personal dissapointement, the lack of activity from town players including not voting and not reading the thread, adding paranoia against the active players, will not help our games and will not give improvement.
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All this post was almost ready yesterday but i went to work and was busy after. Sorry for being late.