Please, Danzo was so stripped of authority that he had to snoop behind Hurizen and Tsunade's back for years and scheme about overthrowing them. Even relying on S-Class threats to destroy the village (Orochimaru, Pain). Is Sasuke doing anything of the sort? Lowering him to Danzo's level is foolish. Although perhaps as a Madara fan you're jealous of the Naruto/Sasuke duo having better teamwork than Hashirama had with Madara.
Danzo was never stripped of authority Itachi was working under him. Of course Sasuke's just like him he wants to destroy all threats to Konoha by any means. He clearly fails to protect Konoha as Kawaki wrecks it. Anyway he's not entirely like Danzo he's also like Jiriaya.
Nah, Hashirama Madara teamwork wouldn't work for me. Sasuke wanted to do everything solo got bitch slapped by Naruto and decided to become a good little underling.
Sasuke's treated with far more respect than Madara behind the scenes (no one like Tobirama plotting against him) & publicly (reknowned worldwide). And this is on top of always fighting for the clan, forming a better plan for peace than Madara, Obito, & Nagato which didn't end with him dying like they did. Sasuke is better in general. Accept it. His predecessors were essentially stepping stones for him.
nah Sasuke's is a forced respect after he decided to become a loyal dog. What fight for the clan? His brother killed the clan for the village and he jumped on his aides infested sack, to protect the same village. Also I don't think you've read the novels root was plotting against him.
LOL Sasuke is the one who sends Hawks giving orders. Naruto, the same guy who sent a chakra drained clone to his daughter's birthday, ran out of the village a few minutes after recieving a message from Sasuke telling him too.
no! That's a means of communication that's why they mentioned they can only contact him through hawks.
Years earlier Naruto wanted to go with him on his Otsutsuuki mission, but was told to stay in the village as Hokage so he did. And likewise, years later the moment Sasuke tells him to leave he does.
Not really, Naruto wanted to escape from Hinata and was reminded he has to stay in the village. The same way Jiraiya reminded Tsunade to stay in the village. It in no way removes underling status of either of them.
Madara had to ditch his village and clan inorder to avoid being an underling. Whereas Sasuke and his daughter run the village.
The problem is Hashirama would actually consult Madara, but Madara had greater plans. So he left the village to save the world. Madara never wanted to become Hokage, Hashirama was trying to force him into the role. While Sasuke is an underling who runs away from his family abandoning them and serving the village which killed his clan. Judging by Boruto his daughters also serving Konoha she's probably top slut in konoha.
Sasuke's daughter is going to gain the title that Madara couldn't and fled the village as the result of. Meanwhile Madara's son(s) & or daughter(s) lived in Konoha under Hashirama's and Tobirama's rule. You have no room to talk. You can't spin things to make Madara look on top. Madara's kids never even had the opportunity to become Hokage.
Sasuke's daughter is going to become a Hokage a title she covets, because of a Senju relative(Naruto). But the same title was being forced on Madara by the Senju king Hashirama. Madara never fought for the title and left the village with greater goals, why would his children want that title. I'm sure she'll use her promiscuity to secure the position. She'll give up the Uchiha name probably bearing a mongrels to gain that title of the Senju clan.
Madara died having a tender moment with King First Hokage Senju - several decades after having fled from the Senju's dominance. The man can't catch a break. Dude died twice with Hashirama right there. No Uchiha kinship to keep him company during his last moments.
Yep, it was beautiful watching Madara solo them while Sasuke loses to his overlords Naruto Sama. A half freed distance Senju descendant.
Whereas during Sasuke's time the Senju clan has diminished to the point where no one even walks around bearing their name as far as we know. Hell, Tsunade's last name was never stated. What Senju is reigning over Sasuke? One whom bears the names of "Sanin", "Slug Princess", "Lady Tsunade", "The Legendary Loser" (from her gambling exploits), rather than either of the clans she decends from. The second of which, Uzumaki, are distant relatives to the Senju. Infact, Sasuke was only in the village for a couple days while Tsunade was Hokage.
It's worse in Sasuke's case he has a half breed Senju relative ruling over him. The same one who handed him his L and is his overlord. The good news for Madara is he left before a Senju could become his overlord.
Whereas on top of his aforementioned failures, Madara became so desperate that he stole a Senju's power, and relied on an Uzumaki kid to withhold his legendary eyes.
Madara was so desperate he had the power to fight a Senju and take it from him. All so he could bring peace to the world. He then used an Uzumaki senju descendant to do his bidding. While Sasuke had to get help from others to overcome all the Ls he's taken his whole life then loses to a 1/2 Uzumaki.
Madara trained and bestowed his identity to Obito who essentially helped kill the Uchiha for "Nazirama." Rather than address this you call Sasuke a Senju ***** for protecting a village his Daughter is going to led as the first Uchiha Hokage. Funny.
Nah, Obito did it to help his new ***** the former Senju ***** Itachi. The new ***** carrying on the will of the Senju and Nazirama is Sasuke(Danzo + Jiraiya) and the full blown Senju sack rider Sarada. Who will likely give up the Uchiha name when she marries one of the many mongrel in Konoha. Who knows she may have multiple husbands and lovers at the same time. This is Sarada on her journey to becoming Hokage
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I guess she's got a lot of pleasing to do, there are a lot of Jonins who she'll need to vote for her. Plenty of Senju descendants among them, I'm sure.
What did Madara do? Raise a successor who would successfully backstab and kill the Uchiha while failing to do so with Konoha. Sasuke always fought for his clan, killed Danzo, became a leading member in Konoha/the Shinobi World's structure, and personally created a direct descendent who will join him. Rather than sit in a cave for years, and stumble upon near death kid who got bodied by an animate object. Obito wielded Madara's name before Sasuke was even born and the only people he killed aside from his own clan were fodders and an innocent Kushina and Minato who bore no ill will against the Uchiha.
Spouting the same nonsense, Madara raised a successor who was going to solo the world. Minato was an underling of Hiruzen, he could only toe the Senju line. Even if he didn't, he was failure as a Sensei and let his pupils die. Obito went and took him out of his own choice. Then he killed the Uchiha to take their prized Uchiha ***** Itachi off the Senju loyalists hands. The killing was planned by the Senju dogs and executed by their chief ***** Itachi. Sasuke gave up on the Uchiha and decided he would follow Itachi's path. Koharu, Hamura and the rest who plotted against the Uchiha still run free, while Sasuke is their loyal dog and protector. Already addressed Sarada's role in the future.
Nonsense. Boruto even uses a new lightning technique - Thunderclap arrow (reminiscent of Kirin - "begone with the thunderclap") and an Uchiha Shuriken technique with lightning against Shojoji. Afterward when sparring with Naruto, as Sasuke watched, Naruto acknowledges Boruto's growth by stating that he must have been training hard.
Thunder clap arrow isn't a Sasuke jutsu and Boruto had countless jutsu according to his stats by the movie arc. Boruto could also stream lighting into the shuriken even before this and did it in the land of waves arc. Sure Sasuke taught him jutsu and other things during the churning exams and neglected his own flesh and blood. He likes being an Uzumaki underling and helping them. A super mongrel over his own daughter, a true Uchiha at heart
Enough time has passed for training sessions. Like the lightning sessions Sasuke gave the kids.
No it hadn't, he trained Boruto during the chunin exams. Sasuke didn't give any lightning lessons to the kids or have time to do so. They went straight from one thing movie to the mission. They didn't do any other mission inbetween, nor were worries about the seal mentioned. Like I said to you I like the filler novels, but they're nothing more than that. Sarada even still has her 1 tomoe in the anime, but in the filler novel she has 3 tomoe.
Edit: It gets better Sasuke's seed wants to become a Hokage, but not because she's Uchiha. She wants to become Hokage because of the 7th. While Madara descendant Obito used to boast of his Uchiha heritage and wanted to become Hokage. Even his Sensei wanted him to become Hokage, that's respect for both him, his Uchiha lineage and talent.
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See this you made me end up questioning Sarada because you tried to bash Madara.
He learned about Sasuke a few days earlier from Konohamaru and was immediately impressed. When talking to Shikadai he mentioned some other things he discovered and spoke about how he wants to become like him.
Danzo was never stripped of authority Itachi was working under him.
Kawaki was Naruto's responsibility. They had an agreement. I mentioned it earlier. Naruto protects Konoha from within, Sasuke from the outside. Naruto took it upon himself to babysit Kawaki. Sasuke attended to more pressing matters while Naruto nutured his supposed killer.
Anyway he's not entirely like Danzo he's also like Jiriaya.
Yes, he's similar to several characters and surpassed them all. Which is part of why he's the best character in the series. Sasuke has the best fighting style, battles, & character development. Formed a better plan for peace than Nagato, Madara, & Obito. Travelled around the world + other dimensions handling criminals and protecting from the shadows better than Jiraiya & Itachi. Became a better Hokage than Naruto and their predecessors (Hokage literally means Fire Shadow, Sasuke is protecting from the shadows like a true Shinobi and is renowned as "The Supporting Shadow" - "Sasaukage"), and now with Boruto, Sarada, & even Mitsuki, he's going to become the best Sensei. Furthermore he had better "talk no jutsu from 'bad' to good" than Neji, Gaara, Nagato, Obito, & the Kyuubi.
Nah, Hashirama Madara teamwork wouldn't work for me. Sasuke wanted to do everything solo got bitch slapped by Naruto and decided to become a good little underling.
Yes, his adaptability is great. He and Naruto both had the same goal but went about it in different ways. Naruto proved to be useful so Sasuke decided to work with him. He adjusted his plan. For example, rather than become the common enemy that kept the Shinobi Villages united, he became known and feared throughout the criminal underworld to keep them subdued. Then went off to investigate Kaguya. While Naruto ensured unity was maintained amongst the villages. His Revolution plan was good, but this strategy was more efficient.
Madara failing to compromise with the Senju bros lead to disaster.
nah Sasuke's is a forced respect after he decided to become a loyal dog. What fight for the clan? His brother killed the clan for the village and he jumped on his aides infested sack, to protect the same village.
The concept of a village was great. Clans weren't seperated having to fend for themselves. It created unity & peace. The problem was the leadership. Rather destroy the village in it's entirety. Sasuke would change how it's controlled. Konoha post-war is far better than anytime before. Your criticism would be valid if he decided to protect the Konoha run by the elders.
Also I don't think you've read the novels root was plotting against him.
Sasuke using hawks is a clear sign of him doing things the way he wants. Shikamaru even complains about how old school his style is in a time where technology is so prevalent. Naruto and Shikamaru want him to use a phone, but Sasuke chooses to use a Hawk as their only means of communicating. Aside from visiting Konoha when he wants or ordering Naruto to meet him. There's no proof that Naruto assigns him missions. Naruto even said that 80 percent of the time his missions are in far off regions where he can't charge his devices. It's clear that by this he means other dimensions in the Otsutsuuki mission.
Not really, Naruto wanted to escape from Hinata and was reminded he has to stay in the village. The same way Jiraiya reminded Tsunade to stay in the village. It in no way removes underling status of either of them.
Lol another great Sasuke Jiraiya comparison. Jiraiya is the one who decided Tsunade would be Hokage. Then he hunted her down, brought her back, and continued to do things his way. That being travelling around handling threats. At no point did he follow her demands. Only the opposite. She did what he told her. Jiraiya assigned the Hokage position to Tsunade and made sure she fulfilled it instead of dealing with task that he didn't want her. Same with Sasuke and Naruto.
The problem is Hashirama would actually consult Madara, but Madara had greater plans. So he left the village to save the world. Madara never wanted to become Hokage, Hashirama was trying to force him into the role. While Sasuke is an underling who runs away from his family abandoning them and serving the village which killed his clan. Judging by Boruto his daughters also serving Konoha she's probably top slut in konoha.
Current Konoha didn't kill the Uchiha. The old Konoha that Madara help foster did. Sasuke as a military soldier/leader, departed on an overseas mission. That is in no way abandoning his family. His work ensures that his family remains safe in a peaceful environment. Madara left his family with what you deem Nazi-like, and let them be oppressed for several decades.
If you really feel Sasuke and Sarada are a disgraceful, well, the problem stems with Madara. Afterall he was the clan leader who joined forces with the Senju to create Konoha. He bears the responsibility for everything that happened afterward. Hell, he fought the Senju so much in the past yet never killed his clan's greatest enemy - Tobirama. Instead joining forces with him then running away when things got too difficult.
So it's ironic that you criticize Sasuke for not killing the other 2 elders. Atleast he didn't shake hands then run away. If Madara had defeated the Senju bros then they wouldn't have raised their successors who discriminated the next gen Uchiha. Tobirama actually KILLED Izuna yet recieves no punishment. Whereas when Danzo MANIPULATES Itachi, Sasuke kills him several times (while Madara's successor just watches. Well it's not like he was trying to avenge the clan given he accompanied Danzo in stocking up on Uchiha eyes). Sasuke was a child during the massacre. He couldn't prevent it. Meanwhile Madara until just a few years prior was chilling in a cave raising an Uchiha killer whom slaughtered more of them than Tobirama during the warring states era.
No matter how you spin it, Madara is far worse than the image you're trying to create of Sasuke.
Sasuke's daughter is going to become a Hokage a title she covets, because of a Senju relative.
To rightfully lead the village their clan founded. Change things so the Uchiha aren't limited to the Police Force.
I'm sure she'll use her promiscuity to secure the position. She'll give up the Uchiha name probably bearing a mongrels to gain that title of the Senju clan.
Madara basically became part Senju when he infused Hashirama's DNA into himself lol. The more you talk the more things i notice.
It's worse in Sasuke's case he has a half breed Senju relative ruling over him. The same one who handed him his L and is his overlord. The good news for Madara is he left before a Senju could become his overlord.
Madara became one with the Senju overlord. Even had his face morphed into his body.
Madara was so desperate he had the power to fight a Senju and take it from him. All so he could bring peace to the world. He then used an Uzumaki senju descendant to do his bidding. While Sasuke had to get help from others to overcome all the Ls he's taken his whole life then loses to a 1/2 Uzumaki.
As established earlier. Sasuke used an Uzumaki bring peace. Madara tried and failed. Then again, Madara, Nagato, and Obito's doing helped forged the world's path.
Nah, Obito did it to help his new ***** the former Senju ***** Itachi. The new ***** carrying on the will of the Senju and Nazirama is Sasuke(Danzo + Jiraiya) and the full blown Senju sack rider Sarada. Who will likely give up the Uchiha name when she marries one of the many mongrel in Konoha. Who knows she may have multiple husbands and lovers at the same time. This is Sarada on her journey to becoming Hokage
"Will of the Senju." "Senju sack rider." Meanwhile Madara infused his and his predecessors body with Senju cells. Ironic isn't it. How they're the physical embodiment of the Senju to the point where they even use Wood style. They really like Hashirama's hard wood. Mistook them for Mito a few times. Especially since ontop having Hashirama's DNA injected into them like a pregnant Mito, they also withheld the Kyuubi, like a pregnant Mito. Even worse, like Mito, they even bore his children, except for them it was in the form of 100,000 White Zetsu.
Obito as "Madara" helped end Uchiha lineage and propagate the Senju's. Good job Madara.
I guess she's got a lot of pleasing to do, there are a lot of Jonins who she'll need to vote for her. Plenty of Senju descendants among them, I'm sure.
Spouting the same nonsense, Madara raised a successor who was going to solo the world. Minato was an underling of Hiruzen, he could only toe the Senju line. Even if he didn't, he was failure as a Sensei and let his pupils die. Obito went and took him out of his own choice. Then he killed the Uchiha to take their prized Uchiha ***** Itachi off the Senju loyalists hands. The killing was planned by the Senju dogs and executed by their chief ***** Itachi. Sasuke gave up on the Uchiha and decided he would follow Itachi's path. Koharu, Hamura and the rest who plotted against the Uchiha still run free, while Sasuke is their loyal dog and protector. Already addressed Sarada's role in the future.
Or he could have just killed the Uchiha traitor Itachi & the elders. Instead he kills REBELLING Uchiha while leaving team Senju intact. Good job Madara's "soloing" successor. You solo'd the wrong people like a dunce.
Thunder clap arrow isn't a Sasuke jutsu and Boruto had countless jutsu according to his stats by the movie arc. Boruto could also stream lighting into the shuriken even before this and did it in the land of waves arc. Sure Sasuke taught him jutsu and other things during the churning exams and neglected his own flesh and blood. He likes being an Uzumaki underling and helping them. A super mongrel over his own daughter, a true Uchiha at heart
No it hadn't, he trained Boruto during the chunin exams. Sasuke didn't give any lightning lessons to the kids or have time to do so. They went straight from one thing movie to the mission. They didn't do any other mission inbetween, nor were worries about the seal mentioned. Like I said to you I like the filler novels, but they're nothing more than that. Sarada even still has her 1 tomoe in the anime, but in the filler novel she has 3 tomoe.
Ah, i checked back and i see what you mean. I was more so thinking about the anime. Which fits better.
Boruto could use lightning a little before meeting Sasuke then honed it to a whole new level under his guidance. I didn't say Thunder Clap Arrow was Sasuke's technique. I said it was reminiscent of Kirin.
During the exams he taught Sarada the clan's signature technique. Which is better than Madara teaching Obito how to not give AF about the clan, capture the Kyuubi and fail to destroy the village getting solo'd by a Hokage once again.
All of Obito's L's (pre-Edo Madara reveal) are Madara's L's given Madara gave him ownership of his identity. That means Minato bodied him with a normal Rasengan & Konan killed him with paper bombs.
Edit: It gets better Sasuke's seed wants to become a Hokage, but not because she's Uchiha. She wants to become Hokage because of the 7th. While Madara descendant Obito used to boast of his Uchiha heritage and wanted to become Hokage. Even his Sensei wanted him to become Hokage, that's respect for both him, his Uchiha lineage and talent.
Due to Madara and Obito's screwing things up as usual, Sarada was withheld from knowing about her clan. But once she does she'll surely incorporate them into her goal.
Obito wasn't doing any boasting when he was slaughtering his clan. Lol Madara tells Obito the clan's history and what does he do? Slaughter them. Obito tells Sasuke about the clan's history and what does he do? Seek vengeance on Konoha.
You're the one whose nitpicking. Sasuke fought god-tiers who died as a result of the battle. That simple. You realize this so you decide to set up specific conditions. As if it has to be 1v1. The god-tiers tried messing with his home turf and got bodied. Deal with it. In neither of the battles was Sasuke anywhere close to being in full health. The one time they confronted him in full condition, Kinshiki was clowned.
Poor fanfic and headcanon, that’s why you’re trying so desperately to justify Sasuke’s inferiority to a Madara and every opponent he went against. Deal with it ?
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LOL nice try. Kinshiki in full health failed to beat a weakened Sasuke who didn't even use any ninjutsu or path abilities. Sasuke only fled the scene when he saw Momo whom would obviously jump in to save Kinshiki. I like how you completely overlooked this. And he only teleported ONCE instead of multiple times which clowned a fused Momo who absorbed half of Naruto's chakra and all of Kinshiki.
Lmfao at that headcanon ?. You literally saw lightning surrounding Sasuke as him and Kinshiki battled in Kaguya’s world, then you tried to say that, “Momoshiki obviously would’ve jumped in.” Lmfao you act as if Momoshiki And Kinshiki hadn’t fought separate battles twice during their encounters with human characters. You know that Momoshiki wouldn’t have jumped in, Sasuke was just a bitch lol. And all the while Sasuke was getting ragdolled when Naruto wasn’t directly fighting by his side. ?
In regards to that YouTube video, that literally disproves nothing. We’ve seen Kinshiki in tryhard Mode and that was when they were in Kaguya’s world. He was easily keeping up with Sasuke to the point where Sasuke got overwhelmed lmao. And he could’ve air sliced everyone in the vicinity too, just like he did that tree. Don’t try it.
That's BS. You know full well that Sasuke could have teleported at any given moment. Shikamaru just wasted chakra.
Sasuke was caught like a deer in headlights, in fact he had relied on Shikamaru. Sucks to suck.
Shin had to use his kid clones to protect himself like a coward and like Kinshiki he also tried attacking Sasuke's daughter as bait. These villians have to make bitch moves to stand a chance against Sasuke.
Kinshiki didn’t know who Sarada was nor her relation to Sasuke, he just went after her, While Shin decided to his clones to protect himself only because he just realized what Sasuke’s eye abilities were and the ameno caught him off guard. The villains didn’t make any bitch moves, Sasuke was the bitch in both instances.
Madara was ambushed and pierced by BZ while Kaguya was restricting Madara’s movements. Sasuke on the other hand was merely touched by BZ (not even pierced) and he couldn’t even free himself from BZ’s clutches. ? Naruto had to save his bitch (yet again)
Madara was taken down by a sneak attack and plot armor. Shin literally had Sasuke so fucked that plot armor introduced Sakura to sneak attack Shin just to end that battle. Kinshiki was also restricted, as I said he could’ve air sliced Sarada and Sasuke like he’d done that Shinju tree. Lol stop, this is too easy.
He learned about Sasuke a few days earlier from Konohamaru and was immediately impressed. When talking to Shikadai he mentioned some other things he discovered and spoke about how he wants to become like him.
That was forced badly and filler. The truth is Boruto only wanted Sasuke to train him because he wanted to solo his dad. He then jumped onto Sasuke's sack by the end. We don't take anything he says seriously.
For opposing th Hokage, Sasuke would be in the same boat.
Kawaki was Naruto's responsibility. They had an agreement. I mentioned it earlier. Naruto protects Konoha from within, Sasuke from the outside. Naruto took it upon himself to babysit Kawaki. Sasuke attended to more pressing matters while Naruto nutured his supposed killer.
That's not the agreement, and it doesn't make him any less like Danzo. Danzo too took out assaiansiations and it's kind to protect the village from outside. Kawaki is his responsibility as well, a threat connected to Kara.
Yes, he's similar to several characters and surpassed them all. Which is part of why he's the best character in the series. Sasuke has the best fighting style, battles, & character development. Formed a better plan for peace than Nagato, Madara, & Obito. Travelled around the world + other dimensions handling criminals and protecting from the shadows better than Jiraiya & Itachi. Became a better Hokage than Naruto and their predecessors (Hokage literally means Fire Shadow, Sasuke is protecting from the shadows like a true Shinobi and is renowned as "The Supporting Shadow" - "Sasaukage"), and now with Boruto, Sarada, & even Mitsuki, he's going to become the best Sensei. Furthermore he had better "talk no jutsu from 'bad' to good" than Neji, Gaara, Nagato, Obito, & the Kyuubi.
There's way too much fanfiction which I'm not going to address, he is like Jiraiaya a traveller and like Danzo. Being given a token title on a game cars doesn't give him any respect. And he's a shitty father and sensei only to Boruto. His plan was trash and he got solod trying to implement it.
Yes, his adaptability is great. He and Naruto both had the same goal but went about it in different ways. Naruto proved to be useful so Sasuke decided to work with him. He adjusted his plan. For example, rather than become the common enemy that kept the Shinobi Villages united, he became known and feared throughout the criminal underworld to keep them subdued. Then went off to investigate Kaguya. While Naruto ensured unity was maintained amongst the villages. His Revolution plan was good, but this strategy was more efficient.
Rubbish, that's why Kara wants to destroy the ninja world. That's why bandits still attack villages and Konoha, because they "fear Sasuke"? Sasuke lost and decided to become an underling.
Madara failing to compromise with the Senju bros lead to disaster.
Madara compromised with the only one that was worthy, but the worthy one was having his strings pulled by the Tobirama. You cant compromise with that.
The concept of a village was great. Clans weren't seperated having to fend for themselves. It created unity & peace. The problem was the leadership. Rather destroy the village in it's entirety. Sasuke would change how it's controlled. Konoha post-war is far better than anytime before. Your criticism would be valid if he decided to protect the Konoha run by the elders.
He did though, the elders were still advisors and are in Naruto. They are the stro g masters who's advice is sought. The village idea was great, but it created segregation and oppression towards the Uchiha. Sasuke doesn't have any place being there, he's just a token Uchiha.
I haven't, but the thought of Danzo's salty cronies targetting Sasuke is amusing.
Sasuke using hawks is a clear sign of him doing things the way he wants. Shikamaru even complains about how old school his style is in a time where technology is so prevalent. Naruto and Shikamaru want him to use a phone, but Sasuke chooses to use a Hawk as their only means of communicating. Aside from visiting Konoha when he wants or ordering Naruto to meet him. There's no proof that Naruto assigns him missions. Naruto even said that 80 percent of the time his missions are in far off regions where he can't charge his devices. It's clear that by this he means other dimensions in the Otsutsuuki mission.
No he didn't, Sssuke uses Hawks because he goes to places using technology is not possible. Naruto is the one that sends on missions after all he's the Hokage defending his underling. Naruto wasn't ordered by Sssuke, he decided to go meet him, instead of let Sasuke get solod.
Lol another great Sasuke Jiraiya comparison. Jiraiya is the one who decided Tsunade would be Hokage. Then he hunted her down, brought her back, and continued to do things his way. That being travelling around handling threats. At no point did he follow her demands. Only the opposite. She did what he told her. Jiraiya assigned the Hokage position to Tsunade and made sure she fulfilled it instead of dealing with task that he didn't want her. Same with Sasuke and Naruto.
Nope, Sasuke was never becoming Hokage, Jiriaya had the will of fire. The comparison ended a the two travelling and working as underlings of Konoha.
Current Konoha didn't kill the Uchiha. The old Konoha that Madara help foster did. Sasuke as a military soldier/leader, departed on an overseas mission. That is in no way abandoning his family. His work ensures that his family remains safe in a peaceful environment. Madara left his family with what you deem Nazi-like, and let them be oppressed for several decades.
Current Konoha is full of people from old Konoha who did. So Sasuke serves to protect their interests. Sasuke abandoned his family, didnt even teach his child what it means to be an Uchiha. While Madara tried to get the Uchiha to safety but they chose to stay on the ship that would fucke them.
If you really feel Sasuke and Sarada are a disgraceful, well, the problem stems with Madara. Afterall he was the clan leader who joined forces with the Senju to create Konoha. He bears the responsibility for everything that happened afterward. Hell, he fought the Senju so much in the past yet never killed his clan's greatest enemy - Tobirama. Instead joining forces with him then running away when things got too difficult.
They are disgraceful. Madara only did it because the Uchiha wanted it, then he saw Hashirama's goodness. When he saw Nazirama's badness he tried to take them with him. However, the Uchiha refused and wanted to remain. That's the Uchiha clans fault not his, but Dasuke knows all that happened, yet still remains a *****.
So it's ironic that you criticize Sasuke for not killing the other 2 elders. Atleast he didn't shake hands then run away. If Madara had defeated the Senju bros then they wouldn't have raised their successors who discriminated the next gen Uchiha. Tobirama actually KILLED Izuna yet recieves no punishment. Whereas when Danzo MANIPULATES Itachi, Sasuke kills him several times (while Madara's successor just watches. Well it's not like he was trying to avenge the clan given he accompanied Danzo in stocking up on Uchiha eyes). Sasuke was a child during the massacre. He couldn't prevent it. Meanwhile Madara until just a few years prior was chilling in a cave raising an Uchiha killer whom slaughtered more of them than Tobirama during the warring states era.
Madara never shook hands with Tobirama and left when the Uchiha refused to go. He wasn't willing to kill them, but Sasuke is far worse. He only killed the one that forced Itachi and let all the other conspirators walk free. Including the ANBU who used to spy on the Uchiha clan. While Madara was raising the one who would help him bring world peace. Then the senju ***** Itachi made an offer to become his *****.
No matter how you spin it, Madara is far worse than the image you're trying to create of Sasuke.
I'm sure they were, I'm sure they didnt hold bad blood against the uchiha. I'm sure they weren't supporting Nazirama in his efforts to isolate the Uchiha.
A peace loving man who had a brother who should have been killed.
Madara never gave up the name, he told them to leave they turned their back on him. How does that negate Sarada giving up the clan name or bearing a mongrel Senju's children to secure her position?
Madara basically became part Senju when he infused Hashirama's DNA into himself lol. The more you talk the more things i notice.
You don't become senju by taking a transfusion. That would make Sasuke a super Senju considered he got tinkered cells. And on top of that he still took an L from a half Uzumaki distant Senju relative clan.
Madara became one with the Senju overlord. Even had his face morphed into his body.
No doubt and he made that Senju overlord into his plaything. While, Sasuke took an L and become a good little underling.
As established earlier. Sasuke used an Uzumaki bring peace. Madara tried and failed. Then again, Madara, Nagato, and Obito's doing helped forged the world's path.
Madara's name unified the five nations, while Sasuke's name almost got him begged by the raikage. Sasuke put forward his ideals, lost to Naruto and took his rightful place ad the underling.
"Will of the Senju." "Senju sack rider." Meanwhile Madara infused his and his predecessors body with Senju cells. Ironic isn't it. How they're the physical embodiment of the Senju to the point where they even use Wood style. They really like Hashirama's hard wood. Mistook them for Mito a few times. Especially since ontop having Hashirama's DNA injected into them like a pregnant Mito, they also withheld the Kyuubi, like a pregnant Mito. Even worse, like Mito, they even bore his children, except for them it was in the form of 100,000 White Zetsu.
I struck out the fanfic, and will repeat the facts.
Nah, Obito did it to help his new ***** the former Senju ***** Itachi. The new ***** carrying on the will of the Senju and Nazirama is Sasuke(Danzo + Jiraiya) and the full blown Senju sack rider Sarada. Who will likely give up the Uchiha name when she marries one of the many mongrel in Konoha. Who knows she may have multiple husbands and lovers at the same time. This is Sarada on her journey to becoming Hokage
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Obito as "Madara" helped end Uchiha lineage and propagate the Senju's. Good job Madara.
Good Job Itachi chief senju *****. Back to Sasuke, we can't blame the predecessors if his dick isn't working. How can he not produce kids to depopulate the Uchiha clan.
Sarada's got a lot of pleasing to do, there are a lot of Jonins who she'll need to vote for her. Plenty of Senju descendants among them, I'm sure. Obito was too good for that, that why Minato wanted him to become Hokage after him.
Or he could have just killed the Uchiha traitor Itachi & the elders. Instead he kills REBELLING Uchiha while leaving team Senju intact. Good job Madara's "soloing" successor. You solo'd the wrong people like a dunce.
Nah why should he? He needed an underling and decided to take Whoretachi on as his underling.
I'll repeat what I said earlier. Spouting the same nonsense won't change the facts. Madara raised a successor who was going to solo the world. Minato was an underling of Hiruzen, he could only toe the Senju line. Even if he didn't, he was failure as a Sensei and let his pupils die. Obito went and took him out of his own choice. Then he killed the Uchiha to take their prized Uchiha ***** Itachi off the Senju loyalists hands. The killing was planned by the Senju dogs and executed by their chief ***** Itachi. Sasuke gave up on the Uchiha and decided he would follow Itachi's path. Koharu, Hamura and the rest who plotted against the Uchiha still run free, while Sasuke is their loyal dog and protector. Already addressed Sarada's role in the future.
Ah, i checked back and i see what you mean. I was more so thinking about the anime. Which fits better.
Boruto could use lightning a little before meeting Sasuke then honed it to a whole new level under his guidance. I didn't say Thunder Clap Arrow was Sasuke's technique. I said it was reminiscent of Kirin.
I never said it was Sasuke's either, however Boruto learnt it from somewhere else. That doesn't mean Sasuke had any input in it, although he has been helping him hone raiton in filler.
During the exams he taught Sarada the clan's signature technique. Which is better than Madara teaching Obito how to not give AF about the clan, capture the Kyuubi and fail to destroy the village getting solo'd by a Hokage once again.
Hardly, something Sarada should've learn when she was 6. Even then it was unperfected and she still didnt overcome the chakra drain. While Madara taught Obito the auchiha techs, rokudo techs and turned him into a chakra beast. None of that negates him prioritising a super mongrel over his own daughter.
All of Obito's L's (pre-Edo Madara reveal) are Madara's L's given Madara gave him ownership of his identity. That means Minato bodied him with a normal Rasengan & Konan killed him with paper bombs.
The problem you have here is Minato died by the end and Obito survived, at that time he didn't claim he was Madara. And he killed Konan as Madara so where's the L. How does that negate all of Sasuke's Ls.
You missed the bonus so I'll repost it.
It gets better Sasuke's seed wants to become a Hokage, but not because she's Uchiha. She wants to become Hokage because of the 7th. While Madara descendant Obito used to boast of his Uchiha heritage and wanted to become Hokage. Even his Sensei wanted him to become Hokage, that's respect for both him, his Uchiha lineage and talent.
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See this you made me end up questioning Sarada because you tried to bash Madara.
Poor fanfic and headcanon, that’s why you’re trying so desperately to justify Sasuke’s inferiority to a Madara and every opponent he went against. Deal with it ?
Lmfao at that headcanon ?. You literally saw lightning surrounding Sasuke as him and Kinshiki battled in Kaguya’s world, then you tried to say that, “Momoshiki obviously would’ve jumped in.” Lmfao you act as if Momoshiki And Kinshiki hadn’t fought separate battles twice during their encounters with human characters. You know that Momoshiki wouldn’t have jumped in, Sasuke was just a bitch lol. And all the while Sasuke was getting ragdolled when Naruto wasn’t directly fighting by his side. ?
In regards to that YouTube video, that literally disproves nothing. We’ve seen Kinshiki in tryhard Mode and that was when they were in Kaguya’s world. He was easily keeping up with Sasuke to the point where Sasuke got overwhelmed lmao. And he could’ve air sliced everyone in the vicinity too, just like he did that tree. Don’t try it.
Sasuke was caught like a deer in headlights, in fact he had relied on Shikamaru. Sucks to suck.
Kinshiki didn’t know who Sarada was nor her relation to Sasuke, he just went after her, While Shin decided to his clones to protect himself only because he just realized what Sasuke’s eye abilities were and the ameno caught him off guard. The villains didn’t make any bitch moves, Sasuke was the bitch in both instances.
Madara was ambushed and pierced by BZ while Kaguya was restricting Madara's movements. Sasuke on the other hand was merely touched by BZ (not even pierced) and he couldn’t even free himself from BZ’s clutches. ? Naruto had to save his bitch (yet again)
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Madara was taken down by a sneak attack and plot armor. Shin literally had Sasuke so fucked that plot armor introduced Sakura to sneak attack Shin just to end that battle. Kinshiki was also restricted, as I said he could’ve air sliced Sarada and Sasuke like he’d done that Shinju tree. Lol stop, this is too easy.
Your comment is utter garbage. Salamander is a more worthy opponent.
Weakened holding back Sasuke only backed down when he saw Momo. Full conditioned holding back Sasuke clowned Kinshiki by evading his attacks like they were nothing. Doesn't matter if the buffoon wasn't in super rage mode. He tried killing them multiple times and failed cause he couldn't even hit a base Sasuke who was carrying his daughter. No Sharingan to analyze his movements. No Rinnegan to teleport. Proves Kinshiki is a joke compared to Sasuke. But yes, Kinshiki was pissed. Sasuke triggered him through his threat about shortening his horn even further for attacking Sarada. In Kaguya's Ice dimension "Try hard" Kinshiki was easily evaded through teleportation the moment Sasuke used it. Sasuke never even ran out of breath. "Overwhelmed" yeah, he overwhelmed a Sasuke using a fraction of his power.
Momo and Kin were trash alone. That's why they needed to fuse. Even then Momo got his Rinnegan wrecked by a KUNAI. You have literally nothing to work with so it's hard for you spin things around. You just look stupid, desperate, and hypocritical given how much you could trash talk Madara yet don't. All your efforts are counter-productive.
Madara's death was so pathetic that it made people who should be absolute fodders compared to him, look like they were god-tier.
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CHOJURO one-shotted Black Zetsu, who one-shotted Madara!
And it gets even worse.
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The same Chojuro who one-shotted Black Zetsu in a sneak attack couldn't one-shot an exhausted Mangekyo Sasuke in a sneak attack. Despite Sasuke's vision being clouded by the lava he still had his guard up. Infact, Chojuro specifically said he would try his BEST against Sasuke yet didn't make the same nor a similar statement against Black Zetsu.
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Madara in his strongest mode gets one-shotted by Black Zetsu's sneak attack. The same Black Zetsu whose speed was too slow to react to Chojuro who was too slow to blitz exhausted Mangekyo Sasuke.
The more you attempt to downplay Sasuke the worst Madara looks. Kinshiki and Momoshiki were feared by Kaguya. Meanwhile a mere fraction of her will one-shotted Madara even though he couldn't even beat Chojuro, who couldn't even beat an exhausted MS Sasuke.
What's your attempt at countering this? Mentioning Kaguya against Teen Sasuke? Mentioning Shin using Sarada as bait against a weakened holding back Sasuke whom entrusted Naruto to her care? Acting as if Kinshiki had a legitimate chance at winning at any point even though he couldn't keep up with a Base Sasuke holding Sarada? And likewise mentioning a weakened Sasuke against a fused Momo who had his strongest ability wrecked by Sasuke's Kunai?
No matter what BS you try to use it still doesn't outdo Madara's trash death. You lose.
Your comment is utter garbage. Salamander is a more worthy opponent.
Weakened holding back Sasuke only backed down when he saw Momo. Full conditioned holding back Sasuke clowned Kinshiki by evading his attacks like they were nothing. Doesn't matter if the buffoon wasn't in super rage mode. He tried killing them multiple times and failed cause he couldn't even hit a base Sasuke who was carrying his daughter. No Sharingan to analyze his movements. No Rinnegan to teleport. Proves Kinshiki is a joke compared to Sasuke. But yes, Kinshiki was pissed. Sasuke triggered him through his threat about shortening his horn even further for attacking Sarada. In Kaguya's Ice dimension "Try hard" Kinshiki was easily evaded through teleportation the moment Sasuke used it. Sasuke never even ran out of breath. "Overwhelmed" yeah, he overwhelmed a Sasuke using a fraction of his power.
Momo and Kin were trash alone. That's why they needed to fuse. Even then Momo got his Rinnegan wrecked by a KUNAI. You have literally nothing to work with so it's hard for you spin things around. You just look stupid, desperate, and hypocritical given how much you could trash talk Madara yet don't. All your efforts are counter-productive.
Madara's death was so pathetic that it made people who should be absolute fodders compared to him, look like they were god-tier.
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CHOJURO one-shotted Black Zetsu, who one-shotted Madara!
And it gets even worse.
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The same Chojuro who one-shotted Black Zetsu in a sneak attack couldn't one-shot an exhausted Mangekyo Sasuke in a sneak attack. Despite Sasuke's vision being clouded by the lava he still had his guard up. Infact, Chojuro specifically said he would try his BEST against Sasuke yet didn't make the same nor a similar statement against Black Zetsu.
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Madara in his strongest mode gets one-shotted by Black Zetsu's sneak attack. The same Black Zetsu whose speed was too slow to react to Chojuro who was too slow to blitz exhausted Mangekyo Sasuke.
The more you attempt to downplay Sasuke the worst Madara looks. Kinshiki and Momoshiki were feared by Kaguya. Meanwhile a mere fraction of her will one-shotted Madara even though he couldn't even beat Chojuro, who couldn't even beat an exhausted MS Sasuke.
What's your attempt at countering this? Mentioning Kaguya against Teen Sasuke? Mentioning Shin using Sarada as bait against a weakened holding back Sasuke whom entrusted Naruto to her care? Acting as if Kinshiki had a legitimate chance at winning at any point even though he couldn't keep up with a Base Sasuke holding Sarada? And likewise mentioning a weakened Sasuke against a fused Momo who had his strongest ability wrecked by Sasuke's Kunai?
No matter what BS you try to use it still doesn't outdo Madara's trash death. You lose.
I love how you typed all of that nonsense just for it to be voided immediately. ? You and Salamander were discussing entirely different topics from what you and I were. Ultimately your headcanon and your own statements verify that Sasuke is eternally inferior to Madara. He’s also inferior to every other god-tier character that he couldn’t solo. Hold that L, buddy. I love making morons like you tryhard only to embarrass yourselves.
I love how you typed all of that nonsense just for it to be voided immediately. ? You and Salamander were discussing entirely different topics from what you and I were. Ultimately your headcanon and your own statements verify that Sasuke is eternally inferior to Madara. He’s also inferior to every other god-tier character that he couldn’t solo. Hold that L, buddy. I love making morons like you tryhard only to embarrass yourselves.
I went off on a tangent and entertained it, lol. I dont really have time to type up walls of text. I'm calling it a day on the walls. @Naruto X Hunter
A word of advice @Naruto X Hunter stop using ABC logic it backfires miserably. If we go by your example 1 eyed Madara > EMS sneak attack Sasuke < MS Sasuke > Chojuro > BZ > Rinnegan Sasuke who needed Naruto to save him from the chakra drain.
I went off on a tangent and entertained it, lol. I dont really have time to type up walls of text. I'm calling it a day on the walls. @Naruto X Hunter
A word of advice @Naruto X Hunter stop using ABC logic it backfires miserably. If we go by your example 1 eyed Madara > EMS sneak attack Sasuke < MS Sasuke > Chojuro > BZ > Rinnegan Sasuke who needed Naruto to save him from the chakra drain.
That was forced badly and filler. The truth is Boruto only wanted Sasuke to train him because he wanted to solo his dad. He then jumped onto Sasuke's sack by the end. We don't take anything he says seriously.
That's not the agreement, and it doesn't make him any less like Danzo. Danzo too took out assaiansiations and it's kind to protect the village from outside. Kawaki is his responsibility as well, a threat connected to Kara.
Danzo made things worst. Like turning the Nagato, thereby the Akatsuki evil. Sasuke is all wins.
There's way too much fanfiction which I'm not going to address, he is like Jiraiaya a traveller and like Danzo. Being given a token title on a game cars doesn't give him any respect. And he's a shitty father and sensei only to Boruto. His plan was trash and he got solod trying to implement it.
Rubbish, that's why Kara wants to destroy the ninja world. That's why bandits still attack villages and Konoha, because they "fear Sasuke"? Sasuke lost and decided to become an underling.
We don't know the details of Kara and those bandits were under the command of Shojoji who expressed fear when seeing Sasuke. He was just be alittle defiant until the legend showed up to put him in his place. Madara also had to deal with arrogance. The 5 Kage actually stood up to him like they had a chance.
Madara compromised with the only one that was worthy, but the worthy one was having his strings pulled by the Tobirama. You cant compromise with that.
The village idea was great, but it created segregation and oppression towards the Uchiha. Sasuke doesn't have any place being there, he's just a token Uchiha.
The Uchiha aren't segregated anymore. Forced into a single job of employment.
No he didn't, Sssuke uses Hawks because he goes to places using technology is not possible. Naruto is the one that sends on missions after all he's the Hokage defending his underling. Naruto wasn't ordered by Sssuke, he decided to go meet him, instead of let Sasuke get solod.
Current Konoha is full of people from old Konoha who did. So Sasuke serves to protect their interests. Sasuke abandoned his family, didnt even teach his child what it means to be an Uchiha. While Madara tried to get the Uchiha to safety but they chose to stay on the ship that would fucke them.
So you want him to round up everyone who did and kill them? This is coming from the guy who criticizes "Nazirama."
They are disgraceful. Madara only did it because the Uchiha wanted it, then he saw Hashirama's goodness. When he saw Nazirama's badness he tried to take them with him. However, the Uchiha refused and wanted to remain. That's the Uchiha clans fault not his, but Dasuke knows all that happened, yet still remains a *****.
All that happened in the past. Unlike them, Sasuke wasn't in a position to where he was oppressed by Tobirama. Part One/Shippuden Konoha were so lenient that they allowed him as a rogue Shinobi to remain off the wanted list. Whereas in "Nazirama's" day, Sasuke would be on the wanted least before he's even conceived.
Madara never shook hands with Tobirama and left when the Uchiha refused to go. He wasn't willing to kill them, but Sasuke is far worse. He only killed the one that forced Itachi and let all the other conspirators walk free. Including the ANBU who used to spy on the Uchiha clan. While Madara was raising the one who would help him bring world peace. Then the senju ***** Itachi made an offer to become his *****.
People have to make tough decisions. Sasuke let go of his deep-seated hatred for the very thing you're praising Madara and Obito for. Focusing on achieving world peace.
Either way Madara and Madara junior didn't give AF since they slaughtered them. Madara instilled his will in Obito but let other, potentially more capable Uchiha who already had his will, go to waste.
Madara never gave up the name, he told them to leave they turned their back on him. How does that negate Sarada giving up the clan name or bearing a mongrel Senju's children to secure her position?
Sure, the Uchiha of his era. What about the next generation who saw through Tobirama's ways? They got slaughtered by Clone (Obito).
Madara's name unified the five nations, while Sasuke's name almost got him begged by the raikage. Sasuke put forward his ideals, lost to Naruto and took his rightful place ad the underling.
Unified them in the war which Madara lost against Black Zetsu and Kaguya whom Sasuke helped beat. Nice try though. Sasuke helped trigger the war by triggering the summit by attacking Bee.
No doubt and he made that Senju overlord into his plaything. While, Sasuke took an L and become a good little underling.
Madara was Black Zetsu's underling for decades without even realizing it til he was kicked to the curb to revive the true boss. Madara was the most manipulated character in the series.
Nah, Obito did it to help his new ***** the former Senju ***** Itachi. The new ***** carrying on the will of the Senju and Nazirama is Sasuke(Danzo + Jiraiya) and the full blown Senju sack rider Sarada. Who will likely give up the Uchiha name when she marries one of the many mongrel in Konoha. Who knows she may have multiple husbands and lovers at the same time. This is Sarada on her journey to becoming Hokage
Madara died a failure as did his successors. Why should Sasuke and Sarada want to follow the path of known failures. Clone (Obito) didn't learn this lesson and paid the price.
Good Job Itachi chief senju *****. Back to Sasuke, we can't blame the predecessors if his dick isn't working. How can he not produce kids to depopulate the Uchiha clan.
Nah why should he? He needed an underling and decided to take Whoretachi on as his underling.
Apply logic Salamander. Most of the new gen Uchiha were becoming Madara believers. That's why they raised arms against Konoha. Yet your excuse for Clone (Obito) not giving AF and wiping them out is to get Itachi (Konoha fanboy/a guy who wants him dead) on his side. For what? Sneak attacks like that Amaterasu trap he placed in Sasuke? He could have had a large group of UCHIHA underlings. Instead he opted for double agent traitorous Itachi and several other strangers from other villages in forming the Akatsuki.
BS. Your reasoning doesn't hold up. When Madara saw Sasuke in action he even wished that he could use him in Clone's (Obito's) place. Clearly Clone (Obito) wasn't the end all be all. More Uchiha under his command would give him a greater chance to succeed. Clone (Obito) was stupid for severly decreasing his chances of success. Instead he pins his hopes on Itachi and Sasuke whom both opposed him.
The Sharingan has the potential to control the Kyuubi - the strongest Biju. Imagine an army of trained Madara supporters. Instead Clone (Obito) kills them and stores their eyes in his hideout while Danzo steals a bunch and somehow shitty Shin gets a bunch and takes on the Uchiha name trying to revive the Akatsuki - Madara's organization, in honor of Itachi. Lmao.
Sarada's got a lot of pleasing to do, there are a lot of Jonins who she'll need to vote for her. Plenty of Senju descendants among them, I'm sure. Obito was too good for that, that why Minato wanted him to become Hokage after him.
Obito before he was a clone was too busy helping grannies (old women who were young and supported Tobirama's reign back in the day). Matter fact, i recall him being an outcast amongst the Uchiha for being a weakling. No wonder he was so salty that he was so willing to wipe them out once he actually became strong. Like a bullied kid retaliating.
I'll repeat what I said earlier. Spouting the same nonsense won't change the facts. Madara raised a successor who was going to solo the world.
and he failed. Leaving Madara wishing he could use the superior Sasuke in his place. If only Madara had a group of Uchiha who favored him.......like Fugaku Uchiha. The new gen clan leader whose the Father of Sasuke whom he could have instilled his beliefs in......
Minato was an underling of Hiruzen, he could only toe the Senju line. Even if he didn't, he was failure as a Sensei and let his pupils die.
Madara was a failure of a clan leader he let his clan be subdued and wiped out. Madara is even more of a shitty leader than Minato. All his brothers died. Izuna was the last and his killer was allowed to lead the village.
BS. The Uchiha stopped relying on Itachi when Shisui died. They knew he was a traitor. Fugaku even actively pinned his hopes on Sasuke.
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Certainly looks like Fugaku was steering Sasuke away from the Konoha-loyalist side and toward Madara. Too bad Clone (Obito) messed that up. Then again, now that i think about it, Failed Clone (Obito) didn't actually want to revive Madara. In otherwords Madara failed big time in finding a suitable candidate to make a clone out of.
The killing was planned by the Senju dogs and executed by their chief ***** Itachi. Sasuke gave up on the Uchiha and decided he would follow Itachi's path. Koharu, Hamura and the rest who plotted against the Uchiha still run free, while Sasuke is their loyal dog and protector. Already addressed Sarada's role in the future.
Clone's dumbass didn't help the Uchiha overthrow Konoha or atleast flee the village with him to join the Akatsuki. Apparently Itachi - the diehard Konoha fanboy, was somehow a better choice.
I never said it was Sasuke's either, however Boruto learnt it from somewhere else. That doesn't mean Sasuke had any input in it, although he has been helping him hone raiton in filler.
Funny that you say that given in this so called filler he told Boruto that he couldn't wield the Chidori and should learn other lightning techniques. This falls in line with your comment on him learning Thunderclap arrow elsewhere.
Hardly, something Sarada should've learn when she was 6. Even then it was unperfected and she still didnt overcome the chakra drain. While Madara taught Obito the auchiha techs, rokudo techs and turned him into a chakra beast. None of that negates him prioritising a super mongrel over his own daughter.
Madara relied on a single war beaten Uchiha kid who got fodderdized by a boulder as his successor rather than even attempting to recruit any Adult Uchiha who supported him (like Fugaku). Years later he regrets Obito and wishes for Sasuke in his stead.
The problem you have here is Minato died by the end and Obito survived, at that time he didn't claim he was Madara. And he killed Konan as Madara so where's the L. How does that negate all of Sasuke's Ls.
Madara bestowed Obito his identity before he died. Rather Obito accepted it or not is irrelevant. He was now Madara. Bestowed with his teaches physically and mentally. Kid ever grew his hair out to match Madara's like a dedicated fanboy and replicated his voice perfectly (at least in the anime).
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It gets better Sasuke's seed wants to become a Hokage, but not because she's Uchiha. She wants to become Hokage because of the 7th. While Madara descendant Obito used to boast of his Uchiha heritage and wanted to become Hokage. Even his Sensei wanted him to become Hokage, that's respect for both him, his Uchiha lineage and talent.
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See this you made me end up questioning Sarada because you tried to bash Madara.
Due to Madara and Obito's screwing things up as usual, Sarada was withheld from knowing about her clan. But once she does she'll surely incorporate them into her goal.
Obito wasn't doing any boasting when he was slaughtering his clan. Lol Madara tells Obito the clan's history and what does he do? Slaughter them even knowing there were fellow Madara believers like himself. Obito tells Sasuke about the clan's history and what does he do? Seek vengeance on Konoha. No wonder Madara stated Sasuke>Obito. Madara himself placed Sasuke's Uchiha bloodline above his own.
Your criticism would be valid if he decided to protect the Konoha run by the elders.
I haven't, but the thought of Danzo's salty cronies targetting Sasuke is amusing.
Sasuke using hawks is a clear sign of him doing things the way he wants.
Current Konoha didn't kill the Uchiha. The old Konoha that Madara help foster did. Sasuke as a military soldier/leader, departed on an overseas mission. That is in no way abandoning his family. His work ensures that his family remains safe in a peaceful environment. Madara left his family with what you deem Nazi-like, and let them be oppressed for several decades.
If you really feel Sasuke and Sarada are a disgraceful, well, the problem stems with Madara. Afterall he was the clan leader who joined forces with the Senju to create Konoha. He bears the responsibility for everything that happened afterward. Hell, he fought the Senju so much in the past yet never killed his clan's greatest enemy - Tobirama. Instead joining forces with him then running away when things got too difficult.
So it's ironic that you criticize Sasuke for not killing the other 2 elders. Atleast he didn't shake hands then run away. If Madara had defeated the Senju bros then they wouldn't have raised their successors who discriminated the next gen Uchiha. Tobirama actually KILLED Izuna yet recieves no punishment. Whereas when Danzo MANIPULATES Itachi, Sasuke kills him several times (while Madara's successor just watches. Well it's not like he was trying to avenge the clan given he accompanied Danzo in stocking up on Uchiha eyes). Sasuke was a child during the massacre. He couldn't prevent it. Meanwhile Madara until just a few years prior was chilling in a cave raising an Uchiha killer whom slaughtered more of them than Tobirama during the warring states era.
No matter how you spin it, Madara is far worse than the image you're trying to create of Sasuke.
Obito wasn't doing any boasting when he was slaughtering his clan. Lol Madara tells Obito the clan's history and what does he do? Slaughter them. Obito tells Sasuke about the clan's history and what does he do? Seek vengeance on Konoha.
Excuse me: how Madara is obligated to don't hold any grudge? Ok. I get it: one of his flaws, as any other human has is: he wasn't strong enough to stand up against Daimyos, Tobirama and the +1000 influent Senju minions from all the other clans.
Yeah, he had low tolerance for politics.And a really really low self steem.
But, here comes the real life factors:
1. When he came back home, no one was there for him to talk about his most inner fears
2.You saw that little girl he helped? It symbolizes how everyone reacted or thought of him.
3. People looked down on him when comparing to Hashi and Tobirama.
4. Tobirama is implied to exclude him from political meetings and related things.
And yeah, he would be right to seek revenge on them. Or at least that would be common sense. That's why Obito did that. Appearences.
But hey: he even asked Sasuke to join him. He DIDN'T need to do that. He was completly SAD to kill Sasuke. IT was supposed to save the Uchiha. His biggest disappointments when he was alive was not to protect his FAMILY. And yeah, clans meant that much that era.It was the cause that made his grandfather, father and brothers sacrifice themselves. How he doesn't care about them????
Also: Madara valued their opinion so much he didn't obligate them to leave with him. Not even when he was in the cave.
As to Sasuke we have a guy that helps people that asked to kill his very own father and mother, while having Rikudou powers. Salad is just the disgraceful and spoiled kid that is ignorant to everything. Soon to be Uzumaki/ Senju Sarada.
I went off on a tangent and entertained it, lol. I dont really have time to type up walls of text. I'm calling it a day on the walls. @Naruto X Hunter
A word of advice @Naruto X Hunter stop using ABC logic it backfires miserably. If we go by your example 1 eyed Madara > EMS sneak attack Sasuke < MS Sasuke > Chojuro > BZ > Rinnegan Sasuke who needed Naruto to save him from the chakra drain.
It's simple. He was doing ridiculous downplaying so i did the same, except with actual logic and facts. Ofcourse they're not actually stronger than Madara, but it's true that Chojuro one-shotted the guy who one-shotted Madara even though he failed to one-shot an exhausted MS Sasuke. It's funny to think about.
I love how you typed all of that nonsense just for it to be voided immediately. ? You and Salamander were discussing entirely different topics from what you and I were. Ultimately your headcanon and your own statements verify that Sasuke is eternally inferior to Madara. He’s also inferior to every other god-tier character that he couldn’t solo. Hold that L, buddy. I love making morons like you tryhard only to embarrass yourselves.
Black Zetsu when he's one-shotted by Chojuro: "C-Can't move."
Madara when he's one-shotted by Black Zetsu: "I can't move!"
Chojuro when he tries & fails to one-shot exhausted MS Sasuke even with Mei's help: "I'm going to try my best!!"
Excuse me: how Madara is obligated to don't hold any grudge? Ok. I get it: one of his flaws, as any other human has is: he wasn't strong enough to stand up against Daimyos, Tobirama and the +1000 influent Senju minions from all the other clans.
Yeah, he had low tolerance for politics.And a really really low self steem.
But, here comes the real life factors:
1. When he came back home, no one was there for him to talk about his most inner fears
2.You saw that little girl he helped? It symbolizes how everyone reacted or thought of him.
3. People looked down on him when comparing to Hashi and Tobirama.
4. Tobirama is implied to exclude him from political meetings and related things.
And yeah, he would be right to seek revenge on them. Or at least that would be common sense. That's why Obito did that. Appearences.
But hey: he even asked Sasuke to join him. He DIDN'T need to do that. He was completly SAD to kill Sasuke. IT was supposed to save the Uchiha. His biggest disappointments when he was alive was not to protect his FAMILY. And yeah, clans meant that much that era.It was the cause that made his grandfather, father and brothers sacrifice themselves. How he doesn't care about them????
Also: Madara valued their opinion so much he didn't obligate them to leave with him. Not even when he was in the cave.
As to Sasuke we have a guy that helps people that asked to kill his very own father and mother, while having Rikudou powers.Salad is just the disgraceful and spoiled kid that is ignorant to everything. Soon to be Uzumaki/ Senju Sarada.
You're a hypocrite. You excused Madara for not withholding grudges then criticized Sasuke for not holding on to his.
Madara raised Obito as his successor who inherited his identity and will yet what did Clone (Obito) tell Sasuke posing as the real Madara? That he participated in the massacre because he held a grudge against the Uchiha for abadoning him. He helped kill everyone which is strange considering the current Uchiha were Madara supporters who wanted to overthrow Konoha's leadership.
You're a hypocrite. You excused Madara for not withholding grudges then criticized Sasuke for not holding on to his.
Madara raised Obito as his successor who inherited his identity and will yet what did Clone (Obito) tell Sasuke posing as the real Madara? That he participated in the massacre because he held a grudge against the Uchiha for abadoning him. He helped kill everyone which is strange considering the current Uchiha were Madara supporters who wanted to overthrow Konoha's leadership.
You got it wrong. I am stating that Madara holds grudges yes. Yet he "moved on" in the aspect that he respects the Uchiha opinion so much, he won't force them to do anything. But different from Sasuke, he was never an human- amoeba (in the sense that you use to offend someone) to continue living in a place that hates his very own flesh and blood. And having offspring that are fangirls to this very system. He never pretended everything was alright.
Sasuke didn't move on. He is just being the amoeba he is.
Black Zetsu when he's one-shotted by Chojuro: "C-Can't move."
Madara when he's one-shotted by Black Zetsu: "I can't move!"
Chojuro when he tries & fails to one-shot exhausted MS Sasuke even with Mei's help: "I'm going to try my best!!"
This is repeat of what's already been dealt with? Didn't you get the memo, I'm not writing another repetitive wall of text. We've already gathered Madara solos Sasuke, his dysfunctional cock and his daughter.
You got it wrong. I am stating that Madara holds grudges yes. Yet he "moved on" in the aspect that he respects the Uchiha opinion so much, he won't force them to do anything. But different from Sasuke, he was never an human- amoeba (in the sense that you use to offend someone) to continue living in a place that hates his very own flesh and blood. And having offspring that are fangirls to this very system. He never pretended everything was alright.
Sasuke didn't move on. He is just being the amoeba he is.
This is repeat of what's already been dealt with? Didn't you get the memo, I'm not writing another repetitive wall of text. We've already gathered Madara solos Sasuke, his dysfunctional cock and his daughter.
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I don't know how he's going to recover from that one.
No, it was his immature slights and Madara bash that got to me. However, the anime and manga aren't doing Sarada any favours at the moment.
Edit:I have favourites but they're in tiers, tier 1(the complete package) is Madara(covers everything), in a class of his own. Sarada is in Tier 2(many favourable qualities from personality, depth to abilities) with most of my favourites. They have great potential to advance and become complete characters. Then there's tier 3 who have a couple of unique attributes, I like.
You got it wrong. I am stating that Madara holds grudges yes. Yet he "moved on" in the aspect that he respects the Uchiha opinion so much, he won't force them to do anything. But different from Sasuke, he was never an human- amoeba (in the sense that you use to offend someone) to continue living in a place that hates his very own flesh and blood. And having offspring that are fangirls to this very system. He never pretended everything was alright.
Sasuke didn't move on. He is just being the amoeba he is.
Current Konoha isn't like Pre-Tsunade era. Especially nowadays. Whose in charge? Naruto and Shikamaru. People Sasuke personally knows. Prior to them was Kakashi, whom Sasuke knows. Sasuke's generation weren't Uchiha oppressors/discriminators. Why should he, especially Sarada, have beef with them when they didn't inherit their elders ways?
Stop. You can't win. Madara made Black Zetsu and Chojuro look hype. Due to Madara's ridiculous incompetence, Chojuro know has the pleasure of knowing he bodied the guy who bodied Madara. That's disgusting.
No, it was his immature slights and Madara bash that got to me. However, the anime and manga aren't doing Sarada any favours at the moment.
Edit:I have favourites but they're in tiers, tier 1(the complete package) is Madara(covers everything), in a class of his own. Sarada is in Tier 2(many favourable qualities from personality, depth to abilities) with most of my favourites. They have great potential to advance and become complete characters. Then there's tier 3 who have a couple of unique attributes, I like.
Current Konoha isn't like Pre-Tsunade era. Especially nowadays. Whose in charge? Naruto and Shikamaru. People Sasuke personally knows. Prior to them was Kakashi, whom Sasuke knows. Sasuke's generation weren't Uchiha oppressors/discriminators. Why should he, especially Sarada, have beef with them when they didn't inherit their elders ways?
Because that's called having a backbone. Would you live in a place with the children of someone that murdered and badmouthed your own parents? Specially if the children know all about it and never showed true remorse for it? Think again.
Also: the murderous rulers are still in charge -Homura and Koharu. And doing their old politics.
Deep down Naruto is just a happy puppet.
Did you see any Uchiha park? No. just Senju park.
The genocide will be complete when Salad marries into the very family that helped to conceal the tragedy of the clan.
no! That's a means of communication that's why they mentioned they can only contact him through hawks.
