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any two pre-timeskip Strawhats. The goal is for the Strawhats to still achieve their goal at Dressrosa and win. A single character can appear twice so long as they aren't from same time period, and a character can be swapped with their pre-timeskip self as well.
 

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Pre-skip Strawhats would get obliterated at Dressrosa. Even Luffy would lose against most coliseum heroes. Meaning that everyone you would swap in turns into a minor background character.
 

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Replace Nightmare luffy with Robin maybe. He can definitely knock Sugar with that ghastly face:ROFLMAO:
Also Pre TS zoro or sanji could have easily defeat Diamante
Nonsense, it took all 9 of them everything they got pre skip to defeat 1 pacifista.

Sanji and Zoro were able to one shot a pacifista post skip, that is the amount of growth. Sanji and Zoro pre-skip wouldn't be able to defeat most Colosseum fighters.
 

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You said they can appear more than once? So get rid of Nami and Chopper and replace with MF Luffy and ID Luffy or better yet Nightmare Luffy?
I didn't think it'd be interpreted like this, but it can fly. Tbh, I don't even remember what those two did. The whole reason I made this thread was because I felt a lot of the side action was insignificant. Nightmare Luffy is a strong answer to probably any position imo. He has the collective knowledge of a hundred people, so there's bound to be specialized knowledge such as navigating.
Pre-skip Strawhats would get obliterated at Dressrosa. Even Luffy would lose against most coliseum heroes. Meaning that everyone you would swap in turns into a minor background character.
Nonsense, it took all 9 of them everything they got pre skip to defeat 1 pacifista.

Sanji and Zoro were able to one shot a pacifista post skip, that is the amount of growth. Sanji and Zoro pre-skip wouldn't be able to defeat most Colosseum fighters.
Not everyone had to fight those coliseum heroes, and I'd argue that a pacifista could probably no-diff the majority of coliseum fighters too. Luffy could casually beat most of them just as he did his first pacifista, so it's not like there's a glaring difference in portrayal.
Replace Nightmare luffy with Robin maybe. He can definitely knock Sugar with that ghastly face:ROFLMAO:
Also Pre TS zoro or sanji could have easily defeat Diamante
I think it depends on if Sanji could skywalk or beat Diamante before he makes it rain spikes. Otherwise, Sanji loses footing, which cripples his main asst, or he sacrifices himself for Rebecca. I'm not sure about Zoro though. The Strawhats have beaten people who've had loads of hype behind them Pre-TS but I'm not sure if that's the case with Kyros & Diamante's standing.
 
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Nonsense, it took all 9 of them everything they got pre skip to defeat 1 pacifista.

Sanji and Zoro were able to one shot a pacifista post skip, that is the amount of growth. Sanji and Zoro pre-skip wouldn't be able to defeat most Colosseum fighters.
U seriously comparing Diamante with Pacifista?
 

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No I'm saying that Diamante is a lot stronger than an average Pacifista.

Don't confuse Kuma with a pacifista btw.
No Diamante isn't that strong.
Pacifistas were equipped with laser n stuff. Even Drake n Urogue cant beat one.
Back to Diamante. He was beaten by Kyros.
And Pre TS Zoro can be compared with him easily as Zoro can take twice as much damage as Kyros took and he was a far better swordsman than Kyros was in Dressrosa Arc.
 

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No Diamante isn't that strong.
Pacifistas were equipped with laser n stuff. Even Drake n Urogue cant beat one.
Back to Diamante. He was beaten by Kyros.
And Pre TS Zoro can be compared with him easily as Zoro can take twice as much damage as Kyros took and he was a far better swordsman than Kyros was in Dressrosa Arc.
That's wrong, You're using ABC logic here and also stretching it across different points in time.

You can't measure the amount of damage like that. Zoro received just as deep cuts against Mr.1 than he did against Mihawk. Both horrible wounds that ripped his chest open. But from one injury he walked away and from the other he did not. The depth of the cut doesn't say anything about the strength of the swordsman.

Also Kyros uses a different technique of swordplay, Zoro uses one handed Katana and Kyros a 2 handed broadsword. His technique isn't focused on speed and agility he goes in for the big hits, like he demonstrated against the Mingo clone and Diamante.

Sanji, Zoro and Luffy were all able to defeat a pacifista in one hit, even with lasers n stuff. Your argument that Drake and Urogue can't beat one is false. Seeing how Urouge beat a sweet commander and Drake is a headliner under Kaidou.

If the monster trio can take out a pacifista in one hit. How come Sabo struggled for so long against Diamante in the Colosseum ? If Diamante was weaker than a Pacifista Sabo could've blown on him and beaten him, that wasn't the case.
 

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That's wrong, You're using ABC logic here and also stretching it across different points in time.
Theres no ABC logic.
Diamante never showed anything which can be compared to a Pacifista.
Pacifistas were equipped with laser beams which brought Drake to his human form. And Pacifistas are shown as tank. They can take hits n again stand up.

You can't measure the amount of damage like that. Zoro received just as deep cuts against Mr.1 than he did against Mihawk. Both horrible wounds that ripped his chest open. But from one injury he walked away and from the other he did not. The depth of the cut doesn't say anything about the strength of the swordsman.
You are wrong Zoro was on his knees after the fight. Lets also not forget that Shs are continuously becoming strong.

Also Kyros uses a different technique of swordplay, Zoro uses one handed Katana and Kyros a 2 handed broadsword. His technique isn't focused on speed and agility he goes in for the big hits, like he demonstrated against the Mingo clone and Diamante.
They both are swordsman.
Its like saying u cant compare Mihawk n Zoro as Mihawk use a large blade whereas Zoro uses 3swords.

Sanji, Zoro and Luffy were all able to defeat a pacifista in one hit, even with lasers n stuff. Your argument that Drake and Urogue can't beat one is false. Seeing how Urouge beat a sweet commander and Drake is a headliner under Kaidou.
You are talking about post TS.
Pre TS none of them were able to beat one.

If the monster trio can take out a pacifista in one hit. How come Sabo struggled for so long against Diamante in the Colosseum ? If Diamante was weaker than a Pacifista Sabo could've blown on him and beaten him, that wasn't the case.
Sabo wasn't fighting Diamante. He was trying to find Mera Mera no mi. And Burgess was the only one who was troubling him.
Diamante was mostly busy with Rebecca.
 

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Theres no ABC logic.
Diamante never showed anything which can be compared to a Pacifista.
Pacifistas were equipped with laser beams which brought Drake to his human form. And Pacifistas are shown as tank. They can take hits n again stand up.


You are wrong Zoro was on his knees after the fight. Lets also not forget that Shs are continuously becoming strong.


They both are swordsman.
Its like saying u cant compare Mihawk n Zoro as Mihawk use a large blade whereas Zoro uses 3swords.


You are talking about post TS.
Pre TS none of them were able to beat one.


Sabo wasn't fighting Diamante. He was trying to find Mera Mera no mi. And Burgess was the only one who was troubling him.
Diamante was mostly busy with Rebecca.
Painful rebuttal, not going in depth to counter all the points.

There absolutely is ABC logic, if you use another character to measure someone else strength. It's unfair to use Urouge and Drake as an example of people who can't beat a pacifista if you use their pre skip forms. As the matter of fact it makes no sense to do so because it creates no benchmark whatsoever. Zoro maybe on his knees right after the fight, but he was running through Alabasta looking for the bomb 5 minutes later, wrong again. You are the one who questions Kyros' sword ability I only stated the difference between them, I never said Kyros wasn't a swordsman.

Of course I'm talking post TS because pre TS is irrelevant. Let's put this in a diagram one more time.

9 Strawhats win against 1 pacifista by the skin of their teeth Pre skip
1 SH wins with 1 hit against 1 pacifista Post skip

So 1 hit is 1 Pacifista.

Now Sabo had a little bout against Diamante and wasn't able to beat him in 1 punch. Meaning Diamante is already better than a pacifista at this point.

Franky in movie Z destroyed like 8 pacifista in one attack. Boa hancock took down 5 casually during the war. Bottom line pacifista aren't as big of a deal as you're making them out to be. If you really think that 1 of Doffy's executives is weaker than a pacifista that's pretty sad. It also doesn't make sense story wise. As a schichibukai he could've replaced all his executives with pacifista if he asked the World Government.

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Painful rebuttal, not going in depth to counter all the points.

There absolutely is ABC logic, if you use another character to measure someone else strength. It's unfair to use Urouge and Drake as an example of people who can't beat a pacifista if you use their pre skip forms. As the matter of fact it makes no sense to do so because it creates no benchmark whatsoever.
Yes it does. Pacifistas were shown as Terminator sort of robots who were only defeated by Kuma and Boa pre Ts.
Urogue n Drake couldnot beat one shows how strong those things were.

Zoro maybe on his knees right after the fight, but he was running through Alabasta looking for the bomb 5 minutes later, wrong again.
Yes its because they are getting strong and he was becoming habitual to those hits.
if u want to compare it then go back to Arlong Park arc where he even fought Arlong and Arlong himself said how he was even alive.

You are the one who questions Kyros' sword ability I only stated the difference between them, I never said Kyros wasn't a swordsman.
So it shouldn't make a difference if he use large blade or katana or if he uses one hand or two hands.
thats why its not a difference. You basically stated there swordplay.

Of course I'm talking post TS because pre TS is irrelevant. Let's put this in a diagram one more time.

9 Strawhats win against 1 pacifista by the skin of their teeth Pre skip
1 SH wins with 1 hit against 1 pacifista Post skip

So 1 hit is 1 Pacifista.
Well you are trying to compare Pacifista with Diamante. So why you are bringing post TS SHs.
Thread is only about Pre Ts SHs who can fill the roles of guys who were in Dressrosa.
Also your comparison of Pacifista n Diamante is way off. I will explain it below.

Now Sabo had a little bout against Diamante and wasn't able to beat him in 1 punch. Meaning Diamante is already better than a pacifista at this point.
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No the lil bout you talking about is covered in the links and that video is anime BS. it never happened.
Diamante only beat these guys at the start of the fight



This was the only time he tried to attack Sabo and Sabo basically broke his sword(lil Sabo and Diamante bout)


After that Diamante only fought with Rebecca


And Sabo was busy with Burgess

Sabo destroyed the arena and stole Mera mera no mi

The End.
Forget about struggle Sabo didn't even cared about Diamante.

Now the only part where Diamante showed his power was when he rain spikes and Kyros fend it off quite easily

its after diamante shoot kyros he stopped defending himself from those spikes. they had a small bout where he break his sword and Diamante lost.
now compare it with Pacifista. Urogue praised his strength(lets also not forget Urogue had used his iron mace too)


Urogue tried to counterattack

and he was shot by that laser


even Drake zoan form couldnot beat it.
So pre ts pacifistas were shows like robots which weren't easy to beat. And Diamante never displayed anything which puts him above Pacifista.

Franky in movie Z destroyed like 8 pacifista in one attack. Boa hancock took down 5 casually during the war. Bottom line pacifista aren't as big of a deal as you're making them out to be. If you really think that 1 of Doffy's executives is weaker than a pacifista that's pretty sad. It also doesn't make sense story wise. As a schichibukai he could've replaced all his executives with pacifista if he asked the World Government.
Film Z is post TS movie if i m not wrong and its not fully canon as You can't really expect Luffy to beat an Admiral lvl guy.
You cant compare Boa with Diamante and why will Doffy replace Diamante? He was one of the founders and Doffy cared about his family. Diamante never betrayed him.
 

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Yes it does. Pacifistas were shown as Terminator sort of robots who were only defeated by Kuma and Boa pre Ts.
Urogue n Drake couldnot beat one shows how strong those things were.


Yes its because they are getting strong and he was becoming habitual to those hits.
if u want to compare it then go back to Arlong Park arc where he even fought Arlong and Arlong himself said how he was even alive.


So it shouldn't make a difference if he use large blade or katana or if he uses one hand or two hands.
thats why its not a difference. You basically stated there swordplay.


Well you are trying to compare Pacifista with Diamante. So why you are bringing post TS SHs.
Thread is only about Pre Ts SHs who can fill the roles of guys who were in Dressrosa.
Also your comparison of Pacifista n Diamante is way off. I will explain it below.


No the lil bout you talking about is covered in the links and that video is anime BS. it never happened.
Diamante only beat these guys at the start of the fight



This was the only time he tried to attack Sabo and Sabo basically broke his sword(lil Sabo and Diamante bout)


After that Diamante only fought with Rebecca


And Sabo was busy with Burgess

Sabo destroyed the arena and stole Mera mera no mi

The End.
Forget about struggle Sabo didn't even cared about Diamante.

Now the only part where Diamante showed his power was when he rain spikes and Kyros fend it off quite easily

its after diamante shoot kyros he stopped defending himself from those spikes. they had a small bout where he break his sword and Diamante lost.
now compare it with Pacifista. Urogue praised his strength(lets also not forget Urogue had used his iron mace too)


Urogue tried to counterattack

and he was shot by that laser


even Drake zoan form couldnot beat it.
So pre ts pacifistas were shows like robots which weren't easy to beat. And Diamante never displayed anything which puts him above Pacifista.


Film Z is post TS movie if i m not wrong and its not fully canon as You can't really expect Luffy to beat an Admiral lvl guy.
You cant compare Boa with Diamante and why will Doffy replace Diamante? He was one of the founders and Doffy cared about his family. Diamante never betrayed him.

That's fine, we agree to disagree then.

I keep going back and forward with the timeline to show that pre-skip SH's don't have any place in Dressrosa.

People like Blue Gilly, Don Sai, Cavendish are on a different level compared to pre-skip sh's and they were only good enough to fight the regular family members.
 
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