Madara is not as strong as you think

Namikaze Haru

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Before i get flamed lol xd i am referring to EMS Madara

the current madara would prob wipe the floor with anyone (BM Naruto and Rinnegan Obito with 6 bijuu is debatable)

The reason i say this is because most of his current power is because of hashirama.

Without Hashirama's power Madara cannot use rinnegan, wood release or perfect susanoo.

the reason i say he would not be able to the rinnegan is because the only 1 before madara who had the rinnegan was the sage of the six paths who was the senju and uchiha in 1. after the EMS senju dna is mot likely needed and obtaining hashirama's dna enabled him to awaken the rinnegan.

the reason i say he would not be able to use PS is because, well let me correct myself and say he would be able to susanoo but it would not be as strong or as big as his perfect 1. this is because susanoo is formed through the materialisation of the user's chakra and as such differs in appearance, as well as colour between users. uchiha were not known for their massive chakra reserves whereas the senju and uzumaki were. meaning that a uchiha with the MS or EMS would have a susanoo the size of sasukes/itachis whereas an uchiha with senju dna would have 1 like madaras. we know that hashi's power is capable of making a technique that can only be used every 10 years be used a few times a DAY.

when u think about it if madara could use PS without hashirama's power then how the hell did hashi beat PS and Kurama at the same time? madara prob would not even summon kurama if he had PS.

So when u think about it EMS madara is probably only as strong as (or maybe even weaker than) EMS Sasuke as he can use Susanoo as well as Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi which madara has not been shown to use yet?
 
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Yep Hashi is stronger on base powers

Madara knows it.. he doesn't want his DNA for nothing..
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ok just read Ems madara rapes anyone period/ but hashi senja ok, Ems holds perfect susanoo
 

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Well I agree with you, but if he beaten 5 kages he must be damn strong...
 

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madara said any 1 who sees the perfect susanoo dies yets hashi beat him so he would not have said that if he could use it vs hashi.

tbh kishi needs to clear that up so idk, but i think PS is an Ems move:shrug:
 

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"a single stroke of this blade contains enough to smash all things in this universe"- implies he has used the same version before and is well aware of its power
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Mei:"How's this possible?!"

Madara:"Don't you get it? Your ridiculously juvenile jutsu can't hold me."

Mei SFX: RRRK RRRK

Madara:"Now... The perfect Susano'o... Everyone who sees it dies... Or so they say.

I'm almost embarassed to have to do this again... I already used it once, but..."

bolded part again implies that he used perfect susanoo before when he was alive and that gave birth to legend among people that anyone who sees it dies

when u think about it if madara could use PS without hashirama's power then how the hell did hashi beat PS and Kurama at the same time? madara prob would not even summon kurama if he had PS.

do go around asking questions from random people on a forum, only kishi can answer that
and dont make your own assumptions
 

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"a single stroke of this blade contains enough to smash all things in this universe"- implies he has used the same version before and is well aware of its power
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Mei:"How's this possible?!"

Madara:"Don't you get it? Your ridiculously juvenile jutsu can't hold me."

Mei SFX: RRRK RRRK

Madara:"Now... The perfect Susano'o... Everyone who sees it dies... Or so they say.

I'm almost embarassed to have to do this again... I already used it once, but..."

bolded part again implies that he used perfect susanoo before when he was alive and that gave birth to legend among people that anyone who sees it dies



do go around asking questions from random people on a forum, only kishi can answer that
and dont make your own assumptions

lol a forum is a place for people to share opinions. and if u have read the manga properly madara stated that he awakened the rinnegan BEFORE his death. meaning he was able to use his current powers after his fight with hashi and before his death
 

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Dnt underestimate madara...If his ems is weaker than sasuke's ems lyk u said,he wouldnt have challenged hashirama and even gained his dna..Only hashi could tell what he saw dat day cos everyday,minute and seconds,i believe madara won dat battle against hashi..Dis guy is a demon..I remember when madara was introduced in the manga as an edo,d manga was titled the power in a name..Tsunade herself said it that even the name uchiha madara is power..isnt dat enof proof dat ems madara is the strongest shinobi alongside hashi?..
 

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I'm too lazy to find the pages but, didn't madara tell oonoki that he didn't use the perfect susanoo against him because he was a kid?
And that was when madara had EMS?
Even tsunade was asking how hashirama fought this
Even madara said his battle with hashirama was landscape changing

Research well, susanoo is EMS jutsu that's why nagato can't use it (kakashi can use ems kamui so don't say its bcos nagato is not an uchiha)
 

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Madara used his perfect Susanoo against Hashirama.
He revealed that when he was stomping the 5 kaglets.

So he could use that.
Rinnegan I must agree upon, you probably need senju DNA for it.

But it still does'nt make Madara any less of a threat, his perfect Susanoo is already one of the most powerfull things he has shown us, and he could already use that with EMS alone.

I doubt anyone could beat him even then, except Hashirama who obviously did.

But against EDO madara? Not even naruto BM, tobi, Sasukem Kakashi, Gai and the army combined could'nt probably do as much as scratch him.
 

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+ rep but i don't think that without hashi dna he would be on current sasuke level im pretty sure he'd be higher than that
 
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