Madara > Tobi

[Zato]

Man I don't know. What I do know is that Tobi did not want Madara brought back. You could see the fear in his eyes when he was shown the coffin and when Naruto revealed that he was revived.

 

[TobisPawn]

Man I don't know. What I do know is that Tobi did not want Madara brought back. You could see the fear in his eyes when he was shown the coffin and when Naruto revealed that he was revived.

Shock* not fear. And he really didn't mind Madara's summoning when Naruto revealed it to him. He cursed Kabuto once and then started laughing...

 

[SilverSlick]

Madara is strong and all but we all know Tobi is a chakra beast. Now with the Rinnegan, tailed beast, his paths and his s/t ability he will put up a very good fight. It will take Madara a bit till he can figure out how to hit Tobi. I'm going with Tobi though. Just because I like his new look. I've always like how they both used weapons like when Tobi had the chains and sticks(?) and Madara had the fan. Gave them an extra dimension of fighting. Oh yeah, still don't what kinds of ninjutsu both of them have. We haven't seen their full arsenal in my opinion.

 

[Djokovic]

Madara is strong and all but we all know Tobi is a chakra beast. Now with the Rinnegan, tailed beast, his paths and his s/t ability he will put up a very good fight. It will take Madara a bit till he can figure out how to hit Tobi. I'm going with Tobi though. Just because I like his new look. I've always like how they both used weapons like when Tobi had the chains and sticks(?) and Madara had the fan. Gave them an extra dimension of fighting. Oh yeah, still don't what kinds of ninjutsu both of them have. We haven't seen their full arsenal in my opinion.

Explains the poll result.

 

[Dark Artist]

Explains the poll result.

the poll result is a proof
that Tobi >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> madara

someone got owned along with EMS and kyubi
is not that special in my book

 

[Djokovic]

the poll result is a proof
that Tobi >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> madara

someone got owned along with EMS and kyubi
is not that special in my book

Madara lost against Hashirama and Kyubi.

 

[Dark Artist]

Madara lost against Hashirama and Kyubi.

against kyubi ? LOL

troll

 

[TobisPawn]

Madara lost against Hashirama and Kyubi.

Madara with Kyuubi lost against Hashirama. Its his fault for bringing the Kyuubi along and getting it stolen from him. Even more proof that Hashirama > EMS Madara overall.

 

[Djokovic]

Madara with Kyuubi lost against Hashirama. Its his fault for bringing the Kyuubi along and getting it stolen from him. Even more proof that Hashirama > EMS Madara overall.

so your admitting Madara lost against Hashirama and Kyubi?

 

[SilverSlick]

Just watch, neither will be the final boss, Zetsu will.

 

[arv993]

the poll result is a proof
that Tobi >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> madara

someone got owned along with EMS and kyubi
is not that special in my book

polls are not accurate lol
there ten other threads saying madara>tobi in polls. but does that mean madara is better. No its just some selected fans opinions.

 

[TobisPawn]

so your admitting Madara lost against Hashirama and Kyubi?

Hashirama's better than EMS Madara and so is his ability to control Bijuus (Mokuton > Sharingan). Hashirama would've beat EMS Madara alone too.

 

[arv993]

What's stopping Tobi from waiting 5 minutes (intangibility) for Naruto's BM to end and then kicking his ass with Gedo Mazo or the Rinnegan + S/T techs?



We can't really definitely use the clone thing because Tobi was never there in Madara's time to determine whether he'd be able to see through Mokuton Clones. Also it'd still be hard to hurt him seeing that Tobi has reflexes on par with Minato's (both reacted to a point-blank V2 A) and that he now has shared vision (paths), Shinra Tensei, and the Preta Path.




Two Rinnegans have no known advantage over one, as of now. Tobi can warp into Susanoo. And if Madara's Susanoo is "comparable to one Bijuu," 6 TBBs should be able to shatter it. It isn't impenetrable or else he would've beat Hashirama.




Tobi can always drag them back into Gedo Mazo if they're suppressed. But we've seen that suppressing isn't some sort of instant unbeatable deal, or else Madara would've had his ass whooped by Hashirama and Kisame wouldn't have been able to break out of Yamato's Mokuton.

On top of that, Madara can't override Tobi's control with his Sharingan because Tobi has Sharingan and Rinnegan control over the Bijuus on top of them being binded to Gedo Mazo (which Tobi is in control of through feats).



Tobi wasn't scared of Kabuto and/or Edo Madara. He was shocked that Kabuto knew the secret he'd been hiding.

And using that logic, Tobi > Edo Madara and Kabuto's entire Edo Army simply because Kabuto backed down and decided to comply to Tobi's wishes.

2 rinnegans have shown no advantage and if that were the case tobi would have taken the other rinnegan from nagato. some ppl have very bad logic

biju chakra can be supressed with mokuton. and according to the databook madara has amaterasu and its useful against bijus as well.

tobi and madara know each other but so far as madara claimed only he can see through the clone we can't assume otherwise. and its very useful against his s/t jutsu

and madara would use clones after seeing his jutsu in action as i have said b4 he can survive the first assault by activating sussano which is instantaneous

and according to *********** his perfect sussno has power beyond the bijus just correcting and nothing more.

 

[TobisPawn]

2 rinnegans have shown no advantage and if that were the case tobi would have taken the other rinnegan from nagato. some ppl have very bad logic

True, true.

biju chakra can be supressed with mokuton. and according to the databook madara has amaterasu and its useful against bijus as well.

Yeah but Mokuton most likely can't instantly restrain the Bijuus chakra the second it makes contact. I'm sure the Bijuus would have time react.

tobi and madara know each other but so far as madara claimed only he can see through the clone we can't assume otherwise. and its very useful against his s/t jutsu

True I guess.

and madara would use clones after seeing his jutsu in action as i have said b4 he can survive the first assault by activating sussano which is instantaneous

I still contest that Susanoo's activation can block Tobi's S/T techs, but w/e

and according to *********** his perfect sussno has power beyond the bijus just correcting and nothing more.

But I still think it wouldn't match six Bijuus and Gedo Mazo. :shrug:

 

[Rice]

I think that Madara definitely is stronger than Tobi from what we have seen so far. Madara and Tobi have the same eyes (rinnegan and sharingan) but Madara utilizes his sharingan to a greater extent and does not need anymore help unlike Tobi with the rinnegan and the tailed beasts.

 

[arv993]

True, true.



Yeah but Mokuton most likely can't instantly restrain the Bijuus chakra the second it makes contact. I'm sure the Bijuus would have time react.



True I guess.



I still contest that Susanoo's activation can block Tobi's S/T techs, but w/e



But I still think it wouldn't match six Bijuus and Gedo Mazo. :shrug:

true likely not instant but still would restrain the bijus and nullify the impact. and according to the databook he has amaterasu and we have seen how useful that is. i still believe sussano activation is too fast ad as we have seen instant so it would be good first defense but w/e thats been discussed too much.

six bijus are a problem and mokuton clones can definitely help still six bijus. but its a tough fight for both and can go either way. as i have said before i still think its a pretty even fight. it will be more clear once we see tobi go all out

i was just giving the correct translation lol and as we have seen its true as it created a whole crack on the floor and destroyed the mountains behind it which no single bijju as shown but i think kyubbi can match that as he is beyond haxxed. but yea six bijjus is a terrible amount of power but the mokuton should be able to restrain a good portion of its power as madara instantly can create forests with his mokuton.

 

[TobisPawn]

true likely not instant but still would restrain the bijus and nullify the impact. and according to the databook he has amaterasu and we have seen how useful that is. i still believe sussano activation is too fast ad as we have seen instant so it would be good first defense but w/e thats been discussed too much.

six bijus are a problem and mokuton clones can definitely help still six bijus. but its a tough fight for both and can go either way. as i have said before i still think its a pretty even fight. it will be more clear once we see tobi go all out

i was just giving the correct translation lol and as we have seen its true as it created a whole crack on the floor and destroyed the mountains behind it which no single bijju as shown but i think kyubbi can match that as he is beyond haxxed. but yea six bijjus is a terrible amount of power but the mokuton should be able to restrain a good portion of its power as madara instantly can create forests with his mokuton.

Just pointing out that each of Tobi's Bijuus have TBBs capable of destroying mountains:

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[Stark]

6 tailed beasts need to do that. How about 6 Mokuton clones using PS..

 

[MrLukyso]

Minato > Rinnegan Tobi with Gedo Mazo and 7 Bijuus?

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I was like "Poker face"...."LOOL" when I saw this one.. It made me laugh actually.

I would bet on Madara. He has caunters for S/T Warping.. And with not ending chakra reserves, he can take on tobi for 5mins no problem..

Mokuton, Shinra Tensei, Susanoo counters for Warping btw.

Just pointing out that each of Tobi's Bijuus have TBBs capable of destroying mountains:

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Well Madara's simple Susanoo sword slash with ease sliced down like 3 mountais and cleared the map.. Just saying.

 

[arv993]

Just pointing out that each of Tobi's Bijuus have TBBs capable of destroying mountains:

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i know that but it just seemed that ps's attack was sligtly stronger as it crushed a whole desert and sliced off two mountains so my point was that the *********** translation was in fact correct as they usually are compared to others