Requirements to unlock Rinnegan

[Hatake Senju]

So what happened to Madara's eyes? What Tobi has said fits perfectly with the story.



We did not see Nagato activate it because we never saw his eyes prior to that moment. We only saw his fringe. Also, if Nagato's Rinnegan originated from the Sharingan, he should be able to use basic sharingan abilities. He's shown none. Remember, those who have had dojutsu implanted cannot turn it on and off, as you stated. Nagato hasn't shown the ability to turn his Rinnegan on and off; if it is as you say, he should be able to turn the Rinnegan off but he should be unable to turn his 'Sharingan' off. If he was originally implanted with Sharingan, he should be able to willingly switch between 3 tomoe and Rinnegan. The fact that he has not or cannot switch off his Rinnegan suggests that this was the dojutsu he was implanted with originally, not a pair of sharingan.

The difference between EMS and MS is the same as 3 tomoe and EMS. It is more than just 'power'. A whole new dojutsu is born.

Good Post. I agree. What Tobi has said confers with what Madara seems to know. I would be inclined to infer that Tobi gave Madara's rinnegan to Nagato to collect the experience and knowledge of it without exposing himself.

 

[Sephy100]

So what happened to Madara's eyes? What Tobi has said fits perfectly with the story.



We did not see Nagato activate it because we never saw his eyes prior to that moment. We only saw his fringe. Also, if Nagato's Rinnegan originated from the Sharingan, he should be able to use basic sharingan abilities. He's shown none. Remember, those who have had dojutsu implanted cannot turn it on and off, as you stated. Nagato hasn't shown the ability to turn his Rinnegan on and off; if it is as you say, he should be able to turn the Rinnegan off but he should be unable to turn his 'Sharingan' off. If he was originally implanted with Sharingan, he should be able to willingly switch between 3 tomoe and Rinnegan. The fact that he has not or cannot switch off his Rinnegan suggests that this was the dojutsu he was implanted with originally, not a pair of sharingan.

The difference between EMS and MS is the same as 3 tomoe and EMS. It is more than just 'power'. A whole new dojutsu is born.

Ao's byakugan was implanted but it can be turned on and off.

You must be registered for see links

 

[FlyingThunderGodHax]

Nagato awakened the rinnegan naturally, Tobi is just pulling your legs.

This is proved wrong by...

Yh but him and madara talking about nagato makes it seem true

This^^
It's obvious that Madara gave Nagato his eyes before death. Since hes the only one noted to awaken Rinnegan. Also as proven by Kabuto + Madara's statements Rinnegan is the evolution of an EMS. So in saying that Nagato was an Uzumaki and last I checked Uzumaki's never inherited the sharingan naturally.

 

[ImNoOne]

We did not see Nagato activate it because we never saw his eyes prior to that moment. We only saw his fringe. Also, if Nagato's Rinnegan originated from the Sharingan, he should be able to use basic sharingan abilities. He's shown none. Remember, those who have had dojutsu implanted cannot turn it on and off, as you stated. Nagato hasn't shown the ability to turn his Rinnegan on and off; if it is as you say, he should be able to turn the Rinnegan off but he should be unable to turn his 'Sharingan' off. If he was originally implanted with Sharingan, he should be able to willingly switch between 3 tomoe and Rinnegan. The fact that he has not or cannot switch off his Rinnegan suggests that this was the dojutsu he was implanted with originally, not a pair of sharingan.

The difference between EMS and MS is the same as 3 tomoe and EMS. It is more than just 'power'. A whole new dojutsu is born.

Nagato awoke the Rinnegan in the night his parents were killed, killing the two Konoha shinobi, then the Rinnegan went off again awakening only during the time when Nagato, Konan and Yahiko were being trained by Jiraya. So he was actually able to go back and forth. The fact that since then we've never seen him putting them off could be simply because apart from the time when Tobi went to his grave to take the eyes, which could be because he died with them "on", he was always on battle or controlling the Pains (mostly Yahiko's). As for not showing the sharingan on, that's why I theorized that the pair implanted would be from a child. One that had only the potential from being an Uchiha but hadn't yet unlocked any form of the Sharingan (not even 1 tomoe). It's never said that you need to have the three tomoes sharingan in order to progress into MS only that you need to experience a grate trauma, that causes great emotional pain. So I wonder if it would be possible to in this condition Nagato had been caught between either having his Sharingan, which he doesn't know he has and as he has Rinnegan never quite needed, and the Rinnegan. Meaning that he went from all off to all on, never realizing there were some in the middle that got bypassed.

 

[Ryuu..]

Ao's byakugan was implanted but it can be turned on and off.

He can activate it, not turn it on or off. A Byakugan eye doesn't actually turn off. It just activates and the veins appear. Neji's eyes look the same before and after the activation process. Also, Do not quote Narutopedia.

 

[NarutoVsGoku]

There are 3 types of massive posters in the base:


There are the RP posters who really get massive.

There are those guys who are extremely active and intelligent and therefore each contribution is usually an informative and useful peace of reading.

And then there are those that seem to be able to post just about anything in order to see their post count raise.


I think you are part of the last. Am I wrong?

there are 3 types of people on this site that pretty much annoys everyone.

fanboys- guys who are irrational fans of fave characters that they will murder if they character does not win a fictional fight in a "vs thread"

trolls- those who are deemed annoying, instigators and trouble makers. sometime also flamers and or spammers.

noobs- those who know nothing and learn nothing despite help and available resources. the sad part is they think they know what they're talking about but they really dont

i think you fit into the 3rd category. what do you think?

 

[Ryuu..]

Nagato awoke the Rinnegan in the night his parents were killed, killing the two Konoha shinobi, then the Rinnegan went off again awakening only during the time when Nagato, Konan and Yahiko were being trained by Jiraya. So he was actually able to go back and forth. The fact that since then we've never seen him putting them off could be simply because apart from the time when Tobi went to his grave to take the eyes, which could be because he died with them "on", he was always on battle or controlling the Pains (mostly Yahiko's). As for not showing the sharingan on, that's why I theorized that the pair implanted would be from a child. One that had only the potential from being an Uchiha but hadn't yet unlocked any form of the Sharingan (not even 1 tomoe). It's never said that you need to have the three tomoes sharingan in order to progress into MS only that you need to experience a grate trauma, that causes great emotional pain. So I wonder if it would be possible to in this condition Nagato had been caught between either having his Sharingan, which he doesn't know he has and as he has Rinnegan never quite needed, and the Rinnegan. Meaning that he went from all off to all on, never realizing there were some in the middle that got bypassed.

We did not see him activate the Rinnegan.

 

[ImNoOne]

This is proved wrong by...


This^^
It's obvious that Madara gave Nagato his eyes before death. Since hes the only one noted to awaken Rinnegan. Also as proven by Kabuto + Madara's statements Rinnegan is the evolution of an EMS. So in saying that Nagato was an Uzumaki and last I checked Uzumaki's never inherited the sharingan naturally.

On the other hand Uchiha's didn't inherited the Uzumaki's body. Sharingan is one half and Senju/Uzumaki's DNA is the other half. It all comes down to DNA actually as that's the way Uchihas pass down their Doujutso to the next generation, it goes by DNA. So half of the DNA of the Sage lies with the Uchiha and the other half with the Senju/Uzumaki. That's why I believe that what was implanted on Nagato were simply Uchiha eyes. And not forcibly Madara's. That should suffice in terms of conditions for the Sage's abilities and powers, washed out by countless generations of cross breedings between the descendants and non descendants as obviously the two brothers did mate with themselves one should think that at very best Nagato could be only half of what the Sage was.

Granted though that this only makes Rinnegan Madara far more powerful then Nagato as not only has he the Rinnegan but also all the abilities of the EMS and Hashirama's cells to fuel his chakra taxing techniques.

 

[Hatake Senju]

the Rinnegan went off again awakening only during the time when Nagato, Konan and Yahiko were being trained by Jiraya. So he was actually able to go back and forth. The fact that since then we've never seen him putting them off could be simply because apart from the time when Tobi went to his grave to take the eyes, which could be because he died with them "on", he was always on battle or controlling the Pains (mostly Yahiko's).

This is very true. In the flashbacks of Jiraya talking to Nagato, he didnt have them activated from what I remember. BUT for it being such an advanced Dojutsu I would have to assume that Nagato didnt have the chakra stamina to keep them on at such a young age. Hence the on/off we see at his young age. After Yahiko's death however we seem them always activated as I'm sure chakra wasn't an issue. Maybe/maybe not. It's an opinion. But after a doujutsu is implanted and the user runs out of chakra, what happens? Using Kakashi as an example would be hard as we have never seen him in this state, hence my opinion.

 

[ImNoOne]

there are 3 types of people on this site that pretty much annoys everyone.

fanboys- guys who are irrational fans of fave characters that they will murder if they character does not win a fictional fight in a "vs thread"

trolls- those who are deemed annoying, instigators and trouble makers. sometime also flamers and or spammers.

noobs- those who know nothing and learn nothing despite help and available resources. the sad part is they think they know what they're talking about but they really dont

i think you fit into the 3rd category. what do you think?

I think you are actually the only one annoyed by what I say, and as you do not qualify as "everyone". I use say I do not fit in any of said categories. But feel free to make a pool asking what everybody on the base thinks about this and we will see.
But I obviously see that you actually fit on the second one, so thanks for giving me a hand branding you. Next time I see one of your posts I'll know what to think about them and won't feed the troll.

 

[ImNoOne]

This is very true. In the flashbacks of Jiraya talking to Nagato, he didnt have them activated from what I remember. BUT for it being such an advanced Dojutsu I would have to assume that Nagato didnt have the chakra stamina to keep them on at such a young age. Hence the on/off we see at his young age. After Yahiko's death however we seem them always activated as I'm sure chakra wasn't an issue. Maybe/maybe not. It's an opinion. But after a doujutsu is implanted and the user runs out of chakra, what happens? Using Kakashi as an example would be hard as we have never seen him in this state, hence my opinion.

We actually did. When he fought Pain, but I can't remember if we got a view on his eyes or not. I'll try and dig these scans tomorrow. Both Kakashi and the flashbacks from Jiraya to see if Nagato actually walks by without the Rinnegan activated or not.

 

[NarutoVsGoku]

I think you are actually the only one annoyed by what I say, and as you do not qualify as "everyone". I use say I do not fit in any of said categories. But feel free to make a pool asking what everybody on the base thinks about this and we will see.
But I obviously see that you actually fit on the second one, so thanks for giving me a hand branding you. Next time I see one of your posts I'll know what to think about them and won't feed the troll.

cool story..... now how about you go make yourself a nice warm plate of "STFU" and wash it down with a cold glass "GTFO"... noob.

 

[Invsblphntm]

Nice theory. I'd much rather prefer this theory then "Madara somehow grabbed Nagato and planted eyes in him without his parents or others EVER noticing them". People just assume that they're Madara's eyes when it has literally no proof that they're Madara's eyes.

All we know is a known liar said that he gaves Nagato his eyes (which could mean a number of things), and Madara Uchiha, who awakened his own pair of Rinnegan (which very possibly is not naturally gained), knows him.

That is all.

 

[ImNoOne]

cool story..... now how about you go make yourself a nice warm plate of "STFU" and wash it down with a cold glass "GTFO"... noob.

And that is the perfect example of how someone who has lost all reason, has nothing to say but can't shut up and let it go reacts. If you can't argue in a proper way don't argue at all. And it ain't smart to tell me to to shut up and go away as you can't force me and, as I'm making you look ridiculous, I really have no reasons to. Not to mention that this is my thread. If you don't like what you read here click on any other button on your screen besides the Reply one.

 

[Hatake Senju]

We actually did. When he fought Pain, but I can't remember if we got a view on his eyes or not. I'll try and dig these scans tomorrow. Both Kakashi and the flashbacks from Jiraya to see if Nagato actually walks by without the Rinnegan activated or not.

Nope. I was wrong. We never see Nagato's eyes until training with Jiraya and afterwards. And even then rinnegan was ALWAYS activated. As far as the Kakashi/Pain battle. Kakashi died with the MS sharingan on. So... Madara's story and the manga hasn't retconned at all since then.

I dont know how to add the scans but I got my proof in chapters 372 and 424 respectively.

 

[NarutoVsGoku]

And that is the perfect example of how someone who has lost all reason, has nothing to say but can't shut up and let it go reacts. If you can't argue in a proper way don't argue at all. And it ain't smart to tell me to to shut up and go away as you can't force me and, as I'm making you look ridiculous, I really have no reasons to. Not to mention that this is my thread. If you don't like what you read here click on any other button on your screen besides the Reply one.

You must be registered for see images

anyways... someone is taking this a lil tooooo seriously...........

You must be registered for see images

 

[Prime Rib]

sorry but neithger senju nor uzimaki can unlock or get only uchiha

 

[ImNoOne]

sorry but neithger senju nor uzimaki can unlock or get only uchiha

You do realize you are discarding the only two ways from which Nagato could have had his. Either he unlocked them himself or he got it from someone else. That's either one or the other. Saying it was neither is just strange, as he obviously had them.

 

[NarutoVsGoku]

sorry but neithger senju nor uzimaki can unlock or get only uchiha

but Nagato awakened it.... i wouldnt make statements like that. i understand the Uchihas are the ones who inherited Sages eyes and are the ones who can potentially have rinnegan but so much information is left out about Nagato.

he broke all the rules and isnt Uchiha but we saw him awaken the Rinnegan.. that disproves your statement alone.

 

[Hatake Senju]

but Nagato awakened it.... i wouldnt make statements like that. i understand the Uchihas are the ones who inherited Sages eyes and are the ones who can potentially have rinnegan but so much information is left out about Nagato.

he broke all the rules and isnt Uchiha but we saw him awaken the Rinnegan.. that disproves your statement alone.

And the only way this is possible is if he got them from someone else. That is if all other statements are true.