Water style plot hole

[Owarij]

Difference between part 1 and 2 my friend..

Hiruzen vs hashirama and tobirama was awesome back then.. BUT It's pitiful compared to part 2..

If that same fight happened in part 2 however .. it would be one of the biggest fights ever...

 

[Punk Hazard]

Lame excuses... Obvious plot hole is obvious.

its not a plot hole, its misunderstanding. it wasnt said Tobirama was the only one capable of using water without a source, it was said he was capable of using water jutsu that normally needed a source with no source at all, such as Water Dragon, with just a few to no seals at all.

 

[origin29]

Difference between part 1 and 2 my friend..

Hiruzen vs hashirama and tobirama was awesome back then.. BUT It's pitiful compared to part 2..

If that same fight happened in part 2 however .. it would be one of the biggest fights ever...

why didnt this happen in shipp???? it would have been the only fight we ever talk about.

 

[Owarij]

its not a plot hole, its misunderstanding. it wasnt said Tobirama was the only one capable of using water without a source, it was said he was capable of using water jutsu that normally needed a source with no source at all, such as Water Dragon, with just a few to no seals at all.

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It wasn't about handseals or anything at all..


And contrary to popular belief he didn't "Make water appear out the atmosphere"
That actually happened in the anime..

He spit water out just like MANY ninjas in part 2, and made his own source to do his jutsu..

 

[Stark]

Difference between part 1 and 2 my friend..

Hiruzen vs hashirama and tobirama was awesome back then.. BUT It's pitiful compared to part 2..

If that same fight happened in part 2 however .. it would be one of the biggest fights ever...

Yeah agreed.

 

[Punk Hazard]

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It wasn't about handseals or anything at all..


And contrary to popular belief he didn't "Make water appear out the atmosphere"
That actually happened in the anime..

He spit water out just like MANY ninjas in part 2, and made his own source to do his jutsu..

ok lets see how i can explain this...

in the Ninja World, there are water jutsu that absolutely needs a water source to be used.

There are water jutsu that DONT need a water source.

Tobirama was special, not because he could do jutsu without a source, but because he could do jutsu that NEEDED a source WITHOUT a source.

Get what I'm saying now?

 

[Owarij]

ok lets see how i can explain this...

in the Ninja World, there are water jutsu that absolutely needs a water source to be used.

There are water jutsu that DONT need a water source.

Tobirama was special, not because he could do jutsu without a source, but because he could do jutsu that NEEDED a source WITHOUT a source.

Get what I'm saying now?

My friend, almost every water ninja in part two can do Water dragon bullet without a water source..

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Itachi and kabuto were both doing it

 

[Blaze Release]

Its to do with part2 having crazy power level, but also it depends on the level of the technique and the ninja's chakra capacity

 

[Punk Hazard]

My friend, almost every water ninja in part two can do Water dragon bullet without a water source..

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Itachi and kabuto were both doing it

like i said there are some jutsu that dont need a source. thats one of them

 

[Owarij]

like i said there are some jutsu that dont need a source. thats one of them

Once again, The only other suiton he did , aka the water wall , is a feat done in part 2..

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[Punk Hazard]

Once again, The only other suiton he did , aka the water wall , is a feat done in part 2..

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oh my f*cking god, i said like three times THEY ARE JUTSU THAT CAN BE DONE WITHOUT A WATER SOURCE. ever thought this just happened to be one of them, genius?

God, it's like half the "debators" here are little kids incapable of reading posts

 

[Bogard]

oh my f*cking god, i said like three times THEY ARE JUTSU THAT CAN BE DONE WITHOUT A WATER SOURCE. ever thought this just happened to be one of them, genius?

God, it's like half the "debators" here are little kids incapable of reading posts

Then which suiton jutsu cast from Tobirama do you think can't be use without a water source?

 

[Punk Hazard]

Then which suiton jutsu cast from Tobirama do you think can't be use without a water source?

....have we seen Tobirama use all his jutsu? Was Tobirama's only battle the one with Hiruzen? NO. My point is, theres jutsu we havent seen Tobirama use and those could very well be the jutsu he was famed for being able to use without water source and the ones you are asking for.

 

[Bogard]

....have we seen Tobirama use all his jutsu? Was Tobirama's only battle the one with Hiruzen? NO. My point is, theres jutsu we havent seen Tobirama use and those could very well be the jutsu he was famed for being able to use without water source and the ones you are asking for.

The Anbu near the fight said "it's unbelievable to see he was capable to use such a high level of suiton" and he was talking about a jutsu that we see many people doing it actually without water source. That's the problem here

 

[Owarij]

oh my f*cking god, i said like three times THEY ARE JUTSU THAT CAN BE DONE WITHOUT A WATER SOURCE. ever thought this just happened to be one of them, genius?

God, it's like half the "debators" here are little kids incapable of reading posts

Poor kid, Stop making stuff up that have never been said in the manga.. All the anbu said was "To think he'd be able to use such a high level suiton without a water source"


Not "He's famous for being able to use jutsu without a water source"

That was never stated , and that's where I was getting trouble understanding wtf you were trying to say.....

the anbu were talking about that specific jutsu at that specific time, not tobirama's overall arsenal.. You're obviusly the child incapable of reading if you can't see that.....

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

I thought they said he could create LARGE water jutsus in area with no water?
The chunin guy created a tiny bit of water.
Kisame is also a water expert so that's expected.

And the random ninjas are combining all their water together..

This

 

[Stark]

I think only huge water jutsus need a water source, with the exception of Kisame and the 2nd Hokage

 

[Punk Hazard]

Poor kid, Stop making stuff up that have never been said in the manga.. All the anbu said was "To think he'd be able to use such a high level suiton without a water source"


Not "He's famous for being able to use jutsu without a water source"

That was never stated , and that's where I was getting trouble understanding wtf you were trying to say.....

the anbu were talking about that specific jutsu at that specific time, not tobirama's overall arsenal.. You're obviusly the child incapable of reading if you can't see that.....

heres an exert from Narutopedia
Tobirama was primarily known for his mastery of Water Release. He could perform powerful water-style techniques in areas that lacked bodies of water by creating his own water out of thin air or producing it from his mouth, and perform some of the most complex water-style techniques, such as the Water Release: Water Dragon Bullet Technique, with a single hand seal. This amongst other reasons is why he is revered as the greatest known Water Release manipulator in the series.

if you put two and two together, youll get that he was called the greatest water style user of all time because he was able to use water jutsu from no source of water when they should have required a water source. at least i did. after reading your post, its clear that Tobirama's situation here is all about interpretation, you could interpret one thing and i can interpret another and thats why we have come up with different conclusions.

 

[Stark]

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[Stark]

Suiton plot hole IMO lol