Well, you said that you posted the links in your first or second post, I checked your first and second posts and didn't find any links, and it's tricky to search with that number of pages, if you can find your posts then I find it easy to copy/paste the links here, thanks anyway.
Pretty sure one of the posts was
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post but it's too late now sinc EI already reposted all the links I posted before lol.
You think Kakuzu's iron skin would tank a giant Iron Sand spike coming with high speed at him... I find that laughable, but anyway, you have your opinion and I have mine, let's agree to disagree I guess.
Dude..I literally posted the link in that panel, I don't think it would tank it, I know it would. Compare the 2 techniques, do you want me to paste both images in paint and draw a big red circle to prove which one's more destructive?
As long as Kakuzu has his other hearts, Sasori will have the 3rd Kazekage puppet and the Iron Sand, which would potentially destroy most of Kakuzu's hearts,
No it wouldn't. You haven't proven how Sasori has a viable counter to any of this nor given decent proof while I've given effective counters to every single one of Sasori's techniques and ways that Kakuzu would easily win. Saying "Iron Sand tanks all attacks" when it wasn't even used in that way in the first place does not suffice. The puppet does not have a way to destroy most/any of his hearts esecially when facing a barrage of hax elemental jutsu that's most likely too fast for him anyway.
and it's not the only thing Sasori has, he still has his flame throwers, water jets, his cable and blades which is all soaked in poison, he will destroy the hearts himself if he has to,
Water guns are filler, flamethrowers were heavily overrated in this thread and are easily countered with Kakuzu's Katon of a higher level. You think Sasori will stop Kakuzu himself, he just tanks anything Sasori tries to hit him with while Sasori is a sitting duck to elemental techs.
add to that his performance of 100 puppets, imagine 100 puppets with weapons all soaked in poison coming from every direction, even Chiyo with her special collection of 10 puppets (which trumps Kakuzu's 5 hearts) thought said there are
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, one of the most skilled puppet masters couldn't focus on 100 puppets coming from everywhere, and she was slashed
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, even after unleashing her secret white collection of 10 puppets.
Yeah unfortunately Kakuzu has Doton: Domo and 5 hearts with much more destructive techniques than Chiyo's 10 puppets. Note their vacuum technique, most destructive sucking a bunch in and destroying all of them easily. They're fodder, Katon+Fuuton combo is 50 times the size of the vacuum.
No not because that, Sasori is the one who stops/slows their movements with the Iron Sand, or to say it better, the 3rd Kazekage puppet, which is controlled by Sasori, because when the 3rd Kazekage puppet was destroyed, the Iron Sand was no longer stopping/slowing their movements, Chiyo just shook the hands and the Iron Sand were gone.
You mean restrain like Gaara? What are you even talking about at this point, when has he ever done that. Besides, Kakuzu's slowed? His hearts still free to move and attack and will blast Sasori/3rd Kazekage while they try this, prep their sand, whatever.
That proves what? it proves that if Kakuzu block an Iron Sand attack, Sasori will make it stuck in his body, slowing his movements, Kakuzu's best bet is to destroy the 3rd Kazekage puppet, which is unlikely, no before Sasori destroys some of his hearts.
Again. I posted link directly from the DB and on panel, it specifically clogs the joints of puppets, otherwise post a link about directly what technique you're talking about.
And apparently you don't get my point, there's nothing to suggest it works only in puppets, and there's no need for your empty talk if you don't have a proof, sorry, but it won't work that way.
I like how in your last post you're like "Sasori's a 4.5 so DB is totally valid because it backs up Sasori" but here you're just like "Nope it's DB therefore invalid" when it's against Sasori. Here's
exactly what Chiyo and the DB said: This technique is especially threatening to puppet users, since the puppets can be made completely unable to fight.
Chiyo: "The iron sand is clogging their joints"
He has never ever ever ever used it on humans, seriously you tell me to "stop assuming" and now you're making these ridiculous assumptions, you wouldn't believe the amount of double standards I've seen
There it is, it says it's especially threatening to puppet users, nothing here suggests that it works only on puppets, if anything it may suggest that its effect works perfectly on puppets, but nowhere was it stated that it has no effect on humans.
Ok, then show me a panel of where Sasori used it on a human please. Chiyo and Sakura? Moved juust fine. And if they were slowed? Sasori's just slower than we thought because slowed Chiyo/Sakura were able to effectively react to all of his techniques even easier.
OK what you need to understand is that no one can live without a bloodstream, Kakuzu has a heart and it pumps blood, where does the blood go? try using your brain here, where does the blood go if he has no bloodstream? Orochimaru was cut in half and survived, does that mean he has no bloodstream? where do you come with this shit? sorry but it's becomes annoying when you keep repeating something without backing it up and it was never proven that he has no bloodstream, in fact Kakashi and Shikamaru used his blood to trick his partner.
Yeah, without a body you can't talk either. How the hell do you explain Hidan, oh wait, we don't use ridiculous logic to answer these things otherwise how the hell does Hidan talk without lungs/eso****us etc.? The obvious answer is every single one of his important systems vital to his survival was compacted into his head so even when decapitated he can still talk and function completely fine. That's the only logical answer. Duh.
First bolded part: React easily? I wouldn't say so, she was surprised from his speed and tried to get Sakura out of his way, put he got her
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, she would've died if Hiruko's tail wasn't there... Oh and this is the panel where Chiyo says "
Fast!" in her mind, I mistook it with the other one.
Yeah...the tail in which Chiyo moved.
Second bolded part: Lol what? she didn't have to
run up to it, I don't know what you're talking about, she was
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and it was next to her, know your stuff before posting...
You neglected to mention
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panel and the page
right after the one you posted in which..you know it went right past her. Well anyway thanks for conceding on that point, Sasori still lunged at like 10 feet and Sakura pulled all the cord away.
Yes, as I said before Kakashi with his 4.5 in speed could've dodged False Darkness, but he choose to block it in order to save Shikamaru and Choji, whom one of them has 2.5 in speed, and the other has 2, if you find it impressive that with their speeds they couldn't dodge False Darkness, then it's your opinion, even though it's......
Nope, but I find it impressive judging by its DB entry(which you found valid) and that Kakashi barely intercepted it and had to use 2 raikiri to neutralize it. Ok, Sasori dodges. When he jumps to the left a huge blast of wind and fire in his face. Then wut? Dodge again? Burst of lightning in his face. Rinse and repeat.
No the rank of the technique matters, for example Chidori, an A-Ranked technique, is inferior to Raikiri, which is an S-Ranked technique, hope you get it.
You tell me to "look up my stuff" before posting. Ranks have nothing to do with the power of the technique, it has to do with its difficulty to learn/perform. inb4 I'm assuming, everything I said is backed up by proof. As again, I don't assume unlike some people here.
Very cool, I dunno why you copied that much text from the databook entry
Because for one they're impressive as ****, and for two I meant to spoiler tag them but obviously forgot the ""'s so that it would make it a spoiler lol.
, and those attacks you're talking about needs prep time,
Proof you didn't read the entries.
he can't use them unless he let the hearts come out, and while he's doing that Sasori has all the time to release the Iron Sand and completely mess him up before he has the chance to even use them,
Want to know what it takes to release his hearts?
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Want to know what it takes to summon the 3rd Kazekage and spew the iron sand?
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First, summoning it, has to take out a scroll and poof.
And not sure how relevant this is, but the guy didn't even use Iron Sand at first, instead he
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Big mistake, Raiton: Gian in the face.
Then he did
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, Zukkoku to counter with ease assuming he wasn't destroyed already.
Then finally after he wastes a chapter and a half
fighting without even using any iron sand whatsoever
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he spews the sand. At such a slow rate it took 5 or 6 pages of Chiyo and Sakura standing and talking. So assuming he uses it right away and instantly creates Iron Sand? Pulling out scroll, POOF! Spraying iron sand to make something bigger than a nuisance...vs "AUGH" to rip the hearts out.
but if you want to go by the databook then Sasori has better stats in it, and well, he's IMO a better overall character,
Ok, gladly. You wnet by the DB first and validated it, all of Kakuzu's entries(which you totally completely entirely ignored if that's not BS enough) prove by themselves why Sasori has little to no chance.
if you're impressed that Kakuzu has 5 hearts, Sasori has 100 puppets, he can switch to any of them at will, and he won't die until his core is destroyed, and Kakuzu doesn't know about that, he will keep attacking him until he runs out of chakra...
Except the part where Raiton: Gian has such a huge scale and will just fry the whole puppet, heart included
Sasori is just a better immortal than Kakuzu, admit it.
Uhh, ok, I never disagreed with that but now you're starting to post with fanboyism. Just because you like him more doesn't give him the win, "oh he's an overall better character IMO and he's a much better immortal, admit it." is just "Sasori's just too awesome to lose this fight". That's cool, I like Sasori better too but unlike posting that I post objectively and actually pay attention to and don't ignore the DB entries and things that happened on-panel which why I believe Kakuzu wins.
And if it's a game of who has more tricks up his sleeves, then let's see.. Sasori has Iron Sand, Strongest weapon in the sand village's history, which he can use as offense and defense.
Even though he's never used it for defense and Kakuzu can easily get around them
Including: Iron Sand Drizzle, Iron Sand Gathering Assault, and Iron Sand World Order.
All useless, Doton: Domo assuming the guy even has time to use any iron sand and then any other elemental tech
Lol so now he starts in Hiruko? Katon+Fuuton combo destroys the whole thing with Sasori trapped inside, GG. Plus that's even more prep time to summon the puppet. He gets destroyed if he starts in Hiruko, even more so than without.
defensive Human Puppet which has strong attacks like: Eight Waves of Needles, and all needles are soaked in poison, not to mention Hiruko's tail.
Again all useless and Katon+Fuuton GG, I wasn't under the impression he started in Hiruko
3rd Kazekage, offensive Human puppet which has strong blades and weapons which is all soaked in poison. Thousand Hands Manipulation Force, which he can use to bind his enemy. Poison gas.
Which gets blown to bits via Gian before he can even think about using his techniques, you think Kakuzu will stand there and let Sasori summon his puppets at his leisure?
His own puppet which he named Scorpion. Flame Throwers which melted rock.
Kakuzu's Katon>>>>>>>>>>Sasori's
Water Jets which has a very strong cutting power.
Ok, for the last time, these are
filler AKA not canon and never appeared in the manga. HOWEVER. Since you guys are so persistent, if he uses them, one burst of Raiton: Gian and Sasori's fodderized, the electricity would be supereffective(lol) against the water, it'd just shock Sasori and give Kakuzu an even bigger win. Plus Doton>Suiton and Doton: Domo tanked things far more destructive tha the water cutters. Using his water guns is probably one of the dumbest moves next to trying to stop to summon 3rd Kazekage or the like.
Several Blades which he can use to fly/boost his speed, plus it has a strong cutting power and is all soaked in poison.
Doton: Domo. And when Sasori charges in to do that? Gian or Katon+Fuuton blast to the face.
Thick Cable which he can use to attack his enemies from mid/long range, as well as bind them, this too is all soaked in poison.
Kakuzu exploits it like Sakura and pulls him in forcing him to do nothing but fly in the direction in which Kakuzu pulled making him a sitting duck to get vaporized by Gian.
Performance of a Hundred Puppets, which he can use to attack his enemies from all directions with poisoned blades, sickles, and chakra blades. And finally his collection of Human Puppets which has the quality as he stated
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, 298 Human Puppets in total.
Katon: Zukkoku! Fuuton: Atsugai!! GG majority of the puppets who might I remind you Sakura fodderized multiples with basic taijutsu.
I agree, GG, but Sasori put up a good fight.
You're the one who can't accept that Sasori can dodge most of Kakuzu's attacks, even Flase Darkness
Ok prove it. The scans you posted are nowhere near enough. You seem to ignore this: You think that his attacks are 1 use only. Total bullshit. Even when he dodges Gian he has 2 other elemental attacks which will just blast him again and again. Him getting out of this loops is ridiculous and you haven't given
anything to suggest that he can. And stop with the techniques that Sakura or Chiyo easily reacted to, shit's nowhere near fast enough to fend off elemental barrages.
which you're so obsessed with, it's not impossible to dodge as you think,
Not impossible. Just extremely hard for Sasori who is nowhere near as fast as
you think and Kakuzu can just blast him with oh I don't know, his
other more powerful techniques.
just because Shikamaru and Choji (who has low speeds) couldn't react to it doesn't mean it can't be dodged, if Kakashi who has 4.5 in speed had the time to interrupt it then Sasori who has 4.5 in speed would have the time to dodge it, why can't you accept it?
Hurr, let's just ignore the other elemental jutsu Kakuzu has in his possession that will blast Sasori as he dodges 1 technique and gets hit by the other
Lol you're talking like Sasori will stay still and wait for Kakuzu's attacks to dodge them, he too will keep attacking Kakuzu with his variety of Iron Sand attacks and he will keep himself protected by the Iron Sand,
Which is all null and void by Domo and the fact Sasori's take much more prep time and he's slower than Kakuzu's attacks to continue dodging. Ok, he either dodges or takes a Gian blast, what would you rather have him do? Even though when he dodges the Gian he'll run right into an Atsugai or Zukkoku..still.
why can't you understand that the Iron Sand just like Gaara's sand and 4th Kazekage's gold dust provides a great defense?
Because he never used it in that way and
you were the one who said not to assume. I'm all up for assumptions buddy but you were the one who said "stop assuming". Show me panels of when Sasori usd the iron sand to effectively defend against attacks. Let alone as powerful as Zukkoku Atsugai or Gian.
in fact it was said to be the strongest among them all, just because Sasori haven't used it for the defense doesn't mean he can't,
True, too bad we don't know what it's capable of and it wasn't explicitly stated its defense was the strongest
we know that he can create any shape with the 3rd Kazekage's magnet release, he can easily shape a wall of Iron Sand that will block any of Kakuzu's attacks.
Well, considering they can fly they just fly over and blast him.
You act like Sasori instantly has
full knowledge the second the fight starts and Iron Sand instantly appears spread on the field with 3rd Kazekage out the second the fight starts lol. Not only does he not have full knowledge but along with Sasori's "heart" crap Kakuzu also has 5 lives in which Sasori has no knowledge about. Assumin gSasori
does MIRACULOUSLY kill him once? Kakuzu just uses his useless unnamed mask to come back at full health which Sasori has no knowledge about and blast him to death. 2 free lives without losing any hearts whatsoever. So good luck. Remember buddy Sasori has no knowledge, he doesn't instantly know a counter to every one of his techniques. Kakuzu gets them off faster, Sasori will lose, deal with it.
Bolded: Until Kakuzu runs out of chakra? lol
No, until Sasori gets hit because he has
never shown the speed to repeatedly dodge his attacks and I call 100% bullshit if you think he has any chance against barrages of them. Inb4 you try to claim "he just exchanges hearts". Yeah, when Kakuzu destroys all other puppets with Katon+Fuuton combo and Sasori can't use any techniques any more? Good game son, and that's assuming any of his huge scale attacks doesn't completely fry him when he gets blasted.
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that using another Human Puppet would be useless, but he won't hesitate to use any of them against someone like Kakuzu
Uh..you ignored what he said the sentence before. "Since you guys defeated the 3rd Kazekage puppet.." then followed up with what you said. So moot point. Kakuzu stomps.
And Kakuzu fought Hashirama? let's not bring that up here, because it was a shame, he was sent to assassinate the first hokage, but Hashirama defeated him and he was forced to retreat, is that really a good feat? lol
When Hashirama shits on any current ninja in shinobi history? Yes. Sasori would get
annihilated in ten seconds at BEST in a fight against Hashirama.
There's nothing proves that taking hit in other parts wouldn't harm the masks, you're just talking out of assumption.
Uhh...they get hit on their threads. Nothing happens. They function because of the hearts. Did you even read that arc? Judging how you percept most of these techniques I'm starting to doubt it, like you skimmed it on anime or something.
How can he be out of his league when they're both members in Akatsuki? they're both S-Ranked criminals, you're saying he's out of his league just because you think his techniques are super powerful? it's not like they were countered several times, and the fact that they've never killed a decent ninja.
He's out of his league because Kakuzu is a perfect matchup. Sasori doesn't have anything that can hurt him for one and Sasori doesn't have what it takes to fend against Kakuzu's large scale attacks. He was lucky he fought mainly taijutsu users who had no large scale/AoE attacks whatsoever and hell Sakura still did a hell of a job using
taijutsu only. An attack that makes all of 100 puppets look like ants? Yeahhhhhhhhhhhh
It's common sense man, Sasori's speed applies to his puppets, and it's common sense that puppets are faster than regular humans, puppet masters can send their puppets flying towards their enemies at high speeds with a single swing of their hands.
Good thing Kakuzu and his masks aren't 'regular humans" and Chiyo managed to react to them lol, nothing you've shown is near impressive to dodge them.
Not enough time. On the ridiculous assumption that he has any time whatsoever to prepare that shit before Kakuzu destroys him or that it won't be
completely obliterated? Fly above it and Gian GG
Prove your claim that every part of them are threads, and another proof that they would survive attacks if it wasn't directed towards their masks/hearts would be appreciated.
Ok, look at any panel with the hearts, there's your proof.
Not from the mask, the blood that came from the mask were red, while this was black, and it came from its body, not the mask.
It wasn't black..it seeped from the broken mask on panel, you know it's a softball+sized heart and that it's directly exposed outside right? You saw the shattered mask on that panel, you know the hearts right there don't you. Yeah.
All of Kakuzu's attacks needs prep time, merging the flame and wind mask needs prep time, do you think Sasori will sit down and watch them merging?
Lol wtf is this, they don't require prep time at all. Each panel they were used
instantly. Are you kidding me? You're trying to get into a "prep time" battle here when discussing SASORI? See above. Sasori takes way too long to do that shit, he'll be fried if he thinks he gets the chance to do anything. But since I'm a nice guy and know Sasori loses anyway, I didn't bring up the whole prep time deal because it's even more obvious that Kakuzu would win, but alright. You want to bring up prep time, Sasori requires far more prep.
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Anyway, some empty talk were avoided, sorry about that, I try to avoid repeating the same points as much as I can.
My prediction: After a decent fight, all of Kakuzu's other hearts are destroyed, and all of Sasori's puppets are destroyed as well, Kakuzu realizes that he is unable to move, he then realizes that he was poisoned, Sasori will land the final blow and end this fight.
Yeah it's cool, I've probably repeated the same crap over 9000 times but I reply to literally every letter so it's all good lol.
My factual deduction: After a decent fight, Sasori will not be able to maintain the upper hand because Kakuzu's masks are overpowering him and forcing him on the defensive. The third Kazekage puppet was destroyed by Raiton: Gian and Sasori summons his 100 puppets only to be overpowered by the mass scale and power of the Katon: Fuuton combo. When all of Sasori's attacks seem to not affect the dark brown skin of Kakuzu's, he's backed into a corner. "Katon...Zukkoku. Fuuton..Atsugai" Kakuzu lands the final blow and ends the fight
and when Kakuzu gets posoned? u ignored that. he wont be able to move and die , dont underestimate sasori just cuz kakuzu seems strong
Lol, ok I'm taking a piece of advice from Memoria and not repeating myself.
And guys, serious piece of advice you should all take from me: if you're going to quote huge posts like this only to respond with like 1 sentence-1 paragraph or so don't quote the huge ass post for obvious reasons >=(
