Pain Arc Sage Mode Naruto vs 6 gate Lee

[Oblivionx]

Naruto wins. Lee is faster in gates but naruto has way too good of a reflexes in SM. Plus RS and frog kata. Heck frog song too. Lee doesn't stand a chance.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Pain clearly hopped over it and you see the sliced rocks afterwards. You can even see the Rasenshuriken in the panel to the left of him jumping over it using his rods. He says 4 seconds left after the Rasen Shuriken passes him, that's not debatable.

Here is an extremely clear depiction of the distance with their bodies and rasenshuriken as reference. It doesn't look like it spanned the entire crater, but we can still see the distance well here at the top, and it's really far. It travelled that distance in less than 1 second. That's extremely fast.

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I think you misunderstood what I'm saying. The point is where it impacted cant be established and that can't be measured and neither do we know how fast it's travelling based on that. Nobody is debating the 4 seconds I hope.

 

[Merkel]

wtf lol Naruto became the second strongest in the entire village behind only Guy when he attained sage mode. So many ways Lee has no hope the fight isn't even close.

Lee has to deal with assuming Naruto goes all out:
- Frog Kata
- Summons
- Naruto's ninjutsu (clones + rasengan/shuriken)
- Greater stamina
But most importantly of all, even if he miraculously defeats SM Naruto, Naruto still has kyuubi to fall back on just like the fight vs Pain. There is really no contest lmao.
Lee has such a tiny window of opportunity to win, after 6th gate runs out, Lee is completely ****ed whereas Naruto can continue well after SM runs out.

 

[Made in Heaven]

6G Lee is on par with Neji as per portrayal, so no, he's no where near SM Naruto's level.

 

[salamander uchiha]

6G Lee is on par with Neji as per portrayal, so no, he's no where near SM Naruto's level.

Your downplaying Neji and definitely the gates.
Damn I didn't think you'd ever do that.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Your downplaying Neji and definitely the gates.
Damn I didn't think you'd ever do that.

Neji isn't beating SM Naruto. Lee is inferior to both of them.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Neji isn't beating SM Naruto. Lee is inferior to both of them.

Your comparing apples and oranges all fighters have different fighting styles and jutsu. That's why you have good and bad match ups. That kind of logic doesn't work in the NV.

 

[Merkel]

Exactly but the fappers close their eyes go facts.

3rd Raikage was stated to be superior to the 4th raikage as a shinobi. Any reasonable person assumes that 3rd raikage is at the very least as fast as the 4th. 4th Raikage blitzed EMS Sasuke. This thread is a joke.

Yeah. People think if a character gets a new form, he must stronger out of blindness when deducing the manga logically shows otherwise. Also, don't bother arguing with that boy KidGamer65. His behaviour is like what his username says: a kid who plays games. I've debated with him before; he acts like PS4 online ten year old kids, who go apeshit if you don't agree with him.

You can only stretch feats and your idea of 'logic' so far, the authorial intentions are very clear in this one. Naruto is second only to Guy in the village at that point in the manga. I understand that Lee might be able to win off of small window of opportunity by a movement speed advantage but it's not very convincing (EXTREMELY high diff). If it's a fight to the death then Lee has a 0% chance aswell due to Kyuubi inside Naruto.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Your comparing apples and oranges all fighters have different fighting styles and jutsu. That's why you have good and bad match ups. That kind of logic doesn't work in the NV.

Lee and Neji are all taijutsu. And Gentle Fist >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strong Fist.

 

[salamander uchiha]

3rd Raikage was stated to be superior to the 4th raikage as a shinobi. Any reasonable person assumes that 3rd raikage is at the very least as fast as the 4th. 4th Raikage blitzed EMS Sasuke. This thread is a joke.




You can only stretch feats and your idea of 'logic' so far, the authorial intentions are very clear in this one. Naruto is second only to Guy in the village at that point in the manga. I understand that Lee might be able to win off of small window of opportunity by a movement speed advantage but it's not very convincing (EXTREMELY high diff). If it's a fight to the death then Lee has a 0% chance aswell due to Kyuubi inside Naruto.

That's pure fap there. The he 3rd raikage wasn't stated to be as fast as Ay if you have a scan confirming this I would like to see it. What i do know is the 3rd had the strongest defence /offense in the cloud.
Damn the fapfic 4th raikage blitzing EMS Sasuke

This battle is meant to be a match between am Naruto from pain arc and Lee 6 gates. Adding other things into the mix are irrelevant and diverting from the topic itself.

 

[Merkel]

That's pure fap there. The he 3rd raikage wasn't stated to be as fast as Ay if you have a scan confirming this I would like to see it. What i do know is the 3rd had the strongest defence /offense in the cloud.
Damn the fapfic 4th raikage blitzing EMS Sasuke

This battle is meant to be a match between am Naruto from pain arc and Lee 6 gates. Adding other things into the mix are irrelevant and diverting from the topic itself.

Yeh lol you are right no point even going in to that much detail. Outcome is that obvious.

Explain with detail how Lee beats SM Naruto. Please.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Lee and Neji are all taijutsu. And Gentle Fist >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strong Fist.

Apples and oranges like I said. The fighting styles rely on different styles and techniques. Take as an example Lee losing to Neji doesn't mean he'd lose to Naruto. Or that Neji would lose to SM Naruto youd have to create combat scenarios thennplay them out. I'd argue vacuum palm meeting the force of Rasen shuriken would make it explode long before it got near Neji. Shadow clones would be useless against Neji etc. The stronger or faster an object is moving towards it's target ie SM Naruto towards Neji even a slight rotation is enough to amplify the damage Naruto receives while he's redirected. These are other points and completely off topic.

6 gates Lee is just too fast for Naruto whereas against Neji who has 360 vision and is an expert at it has been using it since birth. He may be able to counter Lee but that doesn't equate to Naruto doing it. There are many more factors to consider. Take as example blind Madara blitzed SM Naruto who was alert in direct combat. Yet Lee managed to save bushy brows using 6 gates from a truth seeking orbs which is faster than Kamui.

Like I said apples and oranges.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Yeh lol you are right no point even going in to that much detail. Outcome is that obvious.

Explain with detail how Lee beats SM Naruto. Please.

I'll let you figure it out read over the thread. Most of it is covered in the thread.

 

[Merkel]

I'll let you figure it out read over the thread. Most of it is covered in the thread.

Idk if you've actually looked through the thread man but it's filled with one of two things:
1. Overwhelming support of SM Naruto
2. "Lee is faster"

Considering the fact that most consider it to be an obvious win for SM Naruto, I'd say the burden of proof is on you to prove why all the reasons people believe Naruto will win are wrong.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Idk if you've actually looked through the thread man but it's filled with one of two things:
1. Overwhelming support of SM Naruto
2. "Lee is faster"

Considering the fact that most consider it to be an obvious win for SM Naruto, I'd say the burden of proof is on you to prove why all the reasons people believe Naruto will win are wrong.

Overwhelming support for something doesn't make it correct. We know sage mode Naruto can't withstand a basic blitz from blind Madara yet 6 gates Lee was able to react and save guy from tsb which is far faster than Madara or Kamui. To simplify it Naruto loses to overwhelming speed and thaijutsu.

 

[Detonator99]

Naruto beats lee with taijutsu alone, if he uses ninjutsu then it will be overkill.

 

[Merkel]

Overwhelming support for something doesn't make it correct. We know sage mode Naruto can't withstand a basic blitz from blind Madara yet 6 gates Lee was able to react and save guy from tsb which is far faster than Madara or Kamui. To simplify it Naruto loses to overwhelming speed and thaijutsu.

No shit overwhelming support doesn't make it correct... Nice strawman lol. My point was that the burden of proof is on you.
And basically all you have mentioned has already been said, "lee is faster". HOW and WHY does Lee's proposed "overwhelming speed" achieve him the win? And this is assuming your stated feats are even valid like im confused where was it stated that tsb was faster than MADARA lmao. You talk about how going off topic with unrelated feats is a waste of time and are guilty of doing just that, your reasoning is very convoluted.

How can you prove that Lee has the physical power to kill Naruto? He's fast but lacks finality.
Can you prove that the gap between their speed is so immeasurable that Naruto wouldn't be able to land a single frog kata or rasengan against Lee? Because Lee is pretty much ****ed if he gets tagged by anything.
What happens once Naruto starts using kyuubi chakra?
Do you believe that Lee can avoid all of Naruto's arsenal, his summons AND frog genjutsu?
Naruto can grab and toss hundreds of tonnes; what does Lee do if Naruto gets a grip on him at any stage of the fight?
Is Lee > Jiraiya?
Where tf does Lee rank among known shinobi if he's ABOVE Naruto?

And again, going back to the raikage example, do you really think that Ay is faster than the 3rd Raikage? Yes I understand the 3rd lacks feats but really dude cmon...

 

[salamander uchiha]

No shit overwhelming support doesn't make it correct... Nice strawman lol. My point was that the burden of proof is on you.
And basically all you have mentioned has already been said, "lee is faster". HOW and WHY does Lee's proposed "overwhelming speed" achieve him the win? And this is assuming your stated feats are even valid like im confused where was it stated that tsb was faster than MADARA lmao. You talk about how going off topic with unrelated feats is a waste of time and are guilty of doing just that, your reasoning is very convoluted.

How can you prove that Lee has the physical power to kill Naruto? He's fast but lacks finality.
Can you prove that the gap between their speed is so immeasurable that Naruto wouldn't be able to land a single frog kata or rasengan against Lee? Because Lee is pretty much ****ed if he gets tagged by anything.
What happens once Naruto starts using kyuubi chakra?
Do you believe that Lee can avoid all of Naruto's arsenal, his summons AND frog genjutsu?
Naruto can grab and toss hundreds of tonnes; what does Lee do if Naruto gets a grip on him at any stage of the fight?
Is Lee > Jiraiya?
Where tf does Lee rank among known shinobi if he's ABOVE Naruto?

And again, going back to the raikage example, do you really think that Ay is faster than the 3rd Raikage? Yes I understand the 3rd lacks feats but really dude cmon...

This is pure fap son. Lee is not only faster the gates remove the bodies limiter meaning he also become stronger. And a punch is different to lifting 00's of tons the 2 are totally unconnected try g to show correlation between the 2 when there isn't any is your short coming

And yes Ay is faster than 3rd raikage. And we know tsb is faster than Madara because he was using it to counter Guy and not his own speed or skills.

It's funny to counter a gates user you use tsb but to blitz a sage mode user you use your base non rinnegan blind speed.

Remember this is sage mode Naruto of pain arc not the kyubi.

 

[DiamondxDust]

I think you misunderstood what I'm saying. The point is where it impacted cant be established and that can't be measured and neither do we know how fast it's travelling based on that. Nobody is debating the 4 seconds I hope.

Holy sh*t. It doesn't matter where it impacted. Listen one more time.
1. First point is Naruto... or point A
2. Second point is Pain... or point B
3. We know that when Naruto threw FTR, 5 seconds were left
4. We also know that soon after Pain dodged FTR and it passed him, Pain says 1 second left
5. 5-1= 1 second
6. Time taken to travel from Point A to B is less than or equal to 1 second, therefore, it went from Naruto to Pain in 1 second or less.

That's as basic as it gets my friend, that's all I have to say on the matter.

 

[KidGamer65]

Stay Mad.

Mad about what? There's nothing to be mad about. It's just salafapdra being a horrible poster. i.e nothing out of the usual. I don't blame you for not wanting to get into an argument with me though. Don't wanna get exposed for having no logical thinking process.