Sasori vs Jugo and Suigetsu

[Byakuren]

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I could of just stop reading from here, but I rather bring up your flaw reasoning for now.



Which absolutely proves nothing. You have no evidence on how fast Ay is without Raiton, yet along against Hebi's so ABC logic is thrown out the window.

I never compared Ei without V1 or V2 against Hebi Sasuke. I merely stated Suigetsu was capable of doing what he could not; also inferring Base Ei isn't fast, while in V1, and V2 he's one of the fastest ninja in the world is asinine.

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First of all GKS=War Arc as there was no gap where Suigetsu could of improved his speed lmao. All you have proved here is that Suigetu is capable of reacting to an attack speed such as V1 Ay nothing more nothing less. Does not mean he is faster then Hebi Sasuke. Makes zero sense.

No, GKS = Gokage Summit, that isn't War-arc. I refer to Suigetsu in arcs, and there was an obvious increase in speed as he blitzed Spiral Zetsu, who even Edo Hiruzen couldn't, or he would've. There were many reputably fast shinobi around, yet none could get the job done. Irregardless this doesn't matter, what does matter is that Suigetsu reacted to a V1 Ei, and you're claiming Hebi Sasuke could do the same when we've no proof. MS Sasuke was a huge power boost, this is a fact. We saw Naruto with the addition of SM get faster, and strong. We can infer MS Sasuke got a similar boost in regards to speed, and power (MS techniques). Even then, assuming Hebi Sasuke would be fast enough to react to V1 Ei is once again asinine, when no feats prove such. Speculation at best, unless you have manga portrayal to back up your claim? Of course you don't. Yes Suigetsu is faster than Hebi Sasuke**. Manga portrayal backs this up.

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Lol stop my premised clearly states "Trap In Iron Sand" as in compressed shaped in formed. And you have no evidence that Suigetsu can leak himself out of a compressed Iron as it becomes completely solid from that point. So my point stays clear that once trapped he gets cooked.

Unimportant. Suigetsu isn't being touched by Iron Sand. Scenario one, Sasori isn't getting out of Hiruko. Scenario two Iron Sand is evaded/bypasses through if in small increments attempting to pierce. Any assaults attempting to capture/trap Suigetsu are evaded effortlessly, as Iron Sand has only been shown to take on properties of breaking sound barrier speed in the shape of minuscule Iron Sand needles/bullets (which I again stated would be futile due to bypassing through Suigetsu's body). Large constructs like I previously stated are evaded with no trouble.

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Your footspeed argument is garbage, you tried to compare Suigetsu to base Ay as if it means anything.
What feats do you have that makes you assume Suigetsu will be fast enough to reform and escape from being captured? This guy could barley react to a TBB being charged and fired in his face.

I wasn't comparing Suigetsu to Base Ei. Read. I merely said he performed what Ei couldn't. Suigetsu not only reacted to Spiral Zetsu (if you don't know what Spiral Zetsu is capable of go read the war-arc near-ending chapters), as well Ei, and Kirābī. Those alone > Hebi Sasuke's reaction, as MS Sasuke could barely keep up, and MS Sasuke > Hebi Sasuke in speed/reaction time.

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Of course Im not accepting that when the fact that is IS easily tanks the jutsu with ease.

Unless Suigetsu Kubikiribōchō is going to pack more power then Sakura then yea you will have a point. Until evidence is shown Suigetsu, AT BEST, with Kubikiribōchō (along with arm increase) would take out Hiruko along with Sasori. And even then that will be shaky to actually correctly hit his core along with. And thats literally not a realistic scenario happening.

Hiruko is not that durable. Suigetsu with his arm enhancement would easily destroy Hiruko, also link me where Iron Sand has tanked anything. Not that it matters, as Suigetsu is out-speeding any Iron Sand constructs aside from the singlet needles/bullets. The reason Suigetsu comes out superior here is due to Hydrification Technique's versatility, and his speed. Sasori was defeated by a shinobi who's speed was lackluster all throughout the manga, and yet you claim Suigetsu would be hit by anything Sakura dodged. Foolish. Edit: You can dislike my post all you want, but I merely take it as a concession. You've not linked one canonical instance in regards to Sasori, and you're blatantly making assumptions without factual proof portrayed by the manga (i.e. because Deidara could "react" to Hebi Sasuke Sasori = Deidara, and could do the same; do you not understand how asinine that sounds?)

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[TRE MERCER]

Suigetsu > Hebi Sasuke > Deidara >/=/< Sasori in footspeed. War-arc Suigetsu was shown to blitz Spiral Zetsu, who Ei himself could not in base. GKS Suigetsu was shown to intercept V1 Ei on the brink of killing Sasuke, as well Kirābī. Bringing up Hebi Sasuke's speed is a non-factor here, as well using the databook to base speed/reaction off of. The only liable information regarding speed you should follow is manga portrayal. Along with Hebi Sasuke being several meters away (i.e. mid range); Deidara barely reacted irregardless. Regarding your Iron Sand claim; No, footspeed isn't my only argument, though its the only one that should shutdown any further comments in regards to Iron Sand touching Suigetsu. Though that doesn't matter, seeing as the substance would merely pass through Suigetsu's body, as he's purely liquid. Iron Sand is a solid, and isn't like sand (e.i. possessing absorption qualities). The metallic sand would phase through Suigetsu, allowing him to continue his assault without bodily harm. Poison isn't doing anything as well, I'm baffled as to why above posters even brought such a thing up. The footspeed argument has already been shut down, Tate Eboshi isn't needed, though even so, Iron Sand isn't doing anything to Suigetsu in that form, especially when he can fuse with the lake in case of "attempt to capture/conceal" approaches are taken, reforming into his base form. Though that as well isn't a needed approach. Mizudeppō: Nichō (Water Gun: Two Guns) is definetely not useless here: You must be registered for see images Capable of smashing through Mokuton. Several shots of that would hit Sasori's core rather being coordinated, or not. If that isn't a premise you're willing to accept; Suiton: Gōsuiwan no Jutsu paired with Kubikiribōchō would be enough to completely smash through Sasori in Hiruko, and Sasori's final form. Slicing him up would do the trick as well, as only blunt attacks were shown to be ineffective against Sasori. Spoiler You must be registered for see images You must be registered for see images

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Lol Suigetsu faster than Hebi Sasuke lmaoo...

 

[Byakuren]

Lol Suigetsu faster than Hebi Sasuke lmaoo...

War-arc Suigetsu. Yes. You must be registered for see links . It's funny, even the publicly ridiculed fall in line in order to fit in. Follower.

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[Brother Numpsay]

You can dislike my post all you want, but I merely take it as a concession. You've not linked one canonical instance in regards to Sasori, and you're blatantly making assumptions without factual proof portrayed by the manga (i.e. because Deidara could "react" to Hebi Sasuke Sasori = Deidara, and could do the same; do you not understand how asinine that sounds?)[/td][/tr][/table][/JUSTIFY][/SIZE][/FONT][/INDENT]

Lol no I didnt bother wasting my time with your idiotic post. You outright stated V1 Ay<Suigetsu in speed and was not worth arguing with anymore. Simple as that. But good thing you edit your post just in time.