Can Kakashi Kamui be countered? Or avoided?

[Darth AniCetuS]

Throw some dirt in his eyes.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

If it's pre war arc cloak enhanced yes


I believe

Gaara can counter it via sand shield detach
Oro kabuto via body shed etc
Sasori with his instance heart transfer thing (I say this because deidara had enough time to try to pull at his arm to get it out of kamui..

Among others

 

[Yatori]

Yes FTG works. One S/t technique works on another. Minato avoided Kamui by teleportation away.

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So any s/t justus will works then

 

[Ansatsuken]

But even supernatural power (that we can comprehend) has to exert a force.

Let's take the example of lifting a boulder with different supernatural methods.

The Force: The Force reaches from the user, to the object, and lifts it.
Magic: Magic extends from the user, to the object, and lifts it.
Bending: Chi extends from the user, to the object, and lifts it.
Chakra: Chakra extends from the user, to the object and lifts it.

I can't think of more examples of that nature, but all effects must have an origin force. Speech is sound waves traveling through air particles. Sight is light traveling through the air and into our eyes to be translated by the brain.

Every event ever comprehensible by humans has an origin force, so Kamui simply opening a hole in the universe without the user having some sort of physical connection to that point in space is literally inconceivable to the human mind. That's all I'm saying.

Kamui Snipe have limited distance right,

OK I think chakra play a part here. Kamui user projecting some form of special chakra that can open up Kamui dimension but if there exist a chakra(ninjutsu chakra) TSB should absorb it as Kamui tech is classified as Ninjutsu, but it not happen here;

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[The Necromancer]

Kamui Snipe have limited distance right,

OK I think chakra play a part here. Kamui user projecting some form of special chakra that can open up Kamui dimension but if there exist a chakra(ninjutsu chakra) TSB should absorb it as Kamui tech is classified as Ninjutsu, but it not happen here;

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Onmyoudon is not passive, it's an active ability. Without the knowledge that a technique is coming, Madara and Obito can't nullify it.

 

[Obito the supreme jin]

So any s/t justus will works then

On Kamui, yes. One can work on another, for example Obito used his Kamui to sync into Kaguya's dimensions. This here proved that you can get into or get out of the S/T jutsu. She was shape shifting so her way of doing it was an S/T jutsu in by itself.

 

[Warlocks]

yes and yes

 

[Sir Blades]

With so little evidence, there's no way to answer this, but that's why it's a theory.

If you replace nothingness with an invisible CT core as the mechanism behind Kamui, everything seems to make a little more sense.

Gave your theory a second read and left me thinking that the eye isn't necessarily shooting chakra at the opponent but rather agitating chakra or nature energy in the line of vision of the user, this could explain why Kakashi was able to make a hole on madara's defense sphere.
Nature energy is all around in the narutoverse, meaning that kamui can agitate it to open up holes in time/space, similarly to how sage powered attacks affected jinchuriki obito.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Onmyoudon is not passive, it's an active ability. Without the knowledge that a technique is coming, Madara and Obito can't nullify it.

If it active ability, it should always work to absorb.

And another thing, if one person created special shield to protect/defend himself, he will put all counter measures on his defensive arsenal with knowledge on something or without it.

 

[Yatori]

On Kamui, yes. One can work on another, for example Obito used his Kamui to sync into Kaguya's dimensions. This here proved that you can get into or get out of the S/T jutsu. She was shape shifting so her way of doing it was an S/T jutsu in by itself.

Gotcha. I think s/t jutsu is a cool feats.

 

[The Necromancer]

If it active ability, it should always work to absorb.

And another thing, if one person created special shield to protect/defend himself, he will put all counter measures on his defensive arsenal with knowledge on something or without it.

You have active and passive reversed.

 

[Obito the supreme jin]

Gotcha. I think s/t jutsu is a cool feats.

Yeah they are. Best part is that the speed of all of them are instant.

 

[Ansatsuken]

You have active and passive reversed.

You mean it work when user demand it? Or in simple word 'activate'. Not automatic

 

[Yatori]

Yeah they are. Best part is that the speed of all of them are instant.

And the fastest react wins =D

 

[The Necromancer]

You mean it work when user demand it? Or in simple word 'activate'. Not automatic

An active ability is an ability that must be activated by an outside force. A passive ability is one that works all the time on its own without having to be turned on or told to work.

 

[Ansatsuken]

An active ability is an ability that must be activated by an outside force. A passive ability is one that works all the time on its own without having to be turned on or told to work.

Okey.

 

[Obito the supreme jin]

And the fastest react wins =D

Yes precisely, and you can see this when Minato used FTG V2 on Tobi to get him down with a Rasengan.

 

[Yatori]

Yes precisely, and you can see this when Minato used FTG V2 on Tobi to get him down with a Rasengan.

I understand FtG but kamui vs kamui how to determine who's faster?

 

[Obito the supreme jin]

I understand FtG but kamui vs kamui how to determine who's faster?

You don't, you play it smarter. Tobi thought that he could phase through the attack but unbeknownst to him, at the last minute Kakashi warped the Rasengan to the Kamui dimension and it hit him.

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Another time was when Tobi thought not to get hot by the same Rasengan trick he had to warp the entire clone instead of going through him to avoid getting bested by the same technique but instead Kakashi's Kamui was faster than Obito's to allow bunshin Naruto to break off his mask.

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Tobi said that Kakashi was faster than the stake meaning that you can determine who's faster by how they play their moves. You've got to make confusing tactics so that your opponent cannot follow with your plans.

 

[Yatori]

You don't, you play it smarter. Tobi thought that he could phase through the attack but unbeknownst to him, at the last minute Kakashi warped the Rasengan to the Kamui dimension and it hit him.

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Another time was when Tobi thought not to get hot by the same Rasengan trick he had to warp the entire clone instead of going through him to avoid getting bested by the same technique but instead Kakashi's Kamui was faster than Obito's to allow bunshin Naruto to break off his mask.

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Tobi said that Kakashi was faster than the stake meaning that you can determine who's faster by how they play their moves. You've got to make confusing tactics so that your opponent cannot follow with your plans.

The best tactic wins :bdpf: lol it will be wasted if kamui being used by people who less smart XD