Shinsusenju is op af

[Hashirama Senjuu]

He thinks totsuka could pierce shinsusenju,

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

The other guy thinks Minato could warp it... LOL

 

[Xlad]

Edo Madara shits since his meteor was shown to be as large as the Shinnsusenju.

 

[Kirin The Dragon Sage]

That wood empowered with senjutsu is juubi level. It‘s like walking mother of divine tree, shinju. Hashirama is indeed god of shinobi next to hagoromo.

 

[The Demon Hawk]

Hashirama is the strongest non-Rikodou level character in NV. Any Rikodou level character can defeat Hashi including JJ Obito, JJ Madara, RSM Naruto, Rinnegan Sasuke, Indra and Ashura. Hashirama can defeat any non-Rikodou character though.

 

[Itachi san88]

Surely it is one of the most powerful techniques of manga. The Rikudou chakras are better, but Hashirama with chakra Rikudou stomps....

 

[Mad Titan Thanos]

Hashirama is the strongest non-Rikodou level character in NV. Any Rikodou level character can defeat Hashi including JJ Obito, JJ Madara, RSM Naruto, Rinnegan Sasuke, Indra and Ashura. Hashirama can defeat any non-Rikodou character though.

No this is strongest non Rikodou enhanced charachter.

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[The Demon Hawk]

No this is strongest non Rikodou enhanced charachter.

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What strongest? He's going to die afterwards anyway...

 

[Ansatsuken]

No this is strongest non Rikodou enhanced charachter.

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And next is Rock Lee, after that is Metal Lee and finally Bruce Lee

 

[Itachi san88]

Hashirama beats Gai easily before it opens the 8 gates, which are a technique suicidal. It's not something that he uses immediately, as against Madara Juubi.

And with 8 gates is a draw.

 

[Ansatsuken]

What strongest? He's going to die afterwards anyway...

But we cant throw away/ignoring what he did to JJ Madara. Above what Hashi can do with his body alone.

 

[Sunagura]

A RSM user can fly....
ShinSuuSenju can't touch RSM users LOL...
Tsuchikage can fly away and use Jinto ...
Tsuchikage can kill Hashirama...

hashirama have no pro facing flying ninja, he can easy pint them down with god gate

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he aredy make that thing bigger than the toad summoning in a weak edo form

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after that he can use wood dragon to absor their chakra or use summoning budha and fist them

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[Sunagura]

Edo Madara shits since his meteor was shown to be as large as the Shinnsusenju.

lol, no, the meeor was the same size as madara ps,

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and wood human is aredy the same size as madara ps,

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and the wood human is on top of budha like,

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[The Demon Hawk]

But we cant throw away/ignoring what he did to JJ Madara. Above what Hashi can do with his body alone.

We're not including Hashi's body as the only factor. His Wood Style ninjutsu is the biggest contributor here especially the gargantuan Shinsuusenju.

 

[KidGamer65]

But we cant throw away/ignoring what he did to JJ Madara. Above what Hashi can do with his body alone.

If you really want to compare their power by "who can do the most damage to Madara", then Hashirama would obviously win that category since SS would kill Madara if he tried to tank with no guard.

 

[Ansatsuken]

We're not including Hashi's body as the only factor. His Wood Style ninjutsu is the biggest contributor here especially the gargantuan Shinsuusenju.

Do you think Hashi's wood jutsu can challenge JJ Madara easily? You cant relied on Jutsu like that that much when fighting flying character that fast also.

The only way is fight like Guy, Naruto or Sasuke with body speed and tactic. Shinsuusenju doesnt have great speed like might Guy or Sasuke.

 

[Ansatsuken]

If you really want to compare their power by "who can do the most damage to Madara", then Hashirama would obviously win that category since SS would kill Madara if he tried to tank with no guard.

No this is not about power that can kill Madara alone but more about overall battle between Hashi vs Madara or Guy vs Madara

Edit: Shinsuusenju is strong but here I want to tell that I gave credit to Guy more than Hashirama bcus he fought Madara without any jutsu and using his own body but still have power to damaged Madara badly.

Similar to this:-

I gave more credit to someone that can kill Bull Elephant using his punch or kick alone than someone that kill Bull Elephant with same weight and size using his man made rifle.

People see Shinshuusenju kill Madara and recognize him as the strongest but Shinsuusenju was the strongest one here and not Hashirama. Just because he can created Shinsuusenju with his Massive chakra doesnt mean his body got same strength as Shinsuusenju.

See that KG and Demon Hawk or look at my Ava and you can understand

 

[The Demon Hawk]

If you really want to compare their power by "who can do the most damage to Madara", then Hashirama would obviously win that category since SS would kill Madara if he tried to tank with no guard.

This. SS will do more damage than what others can. Except that only one hand will be the actual force factor since JJ Madara has a very small volume to be a target of all hands simultaneously. And if JJ Madara manages to stop that one hand with brute force, then SS can't do shit. In other words, SS has much higher raw power than what can possibly be applied on JJ Madara.

Do you think Hashi's wood jutsu can challenge JJ Madara easily? You cant relied on Jutsu like that that much when fighting flying character that fast also.

The only way is fight like Guy, Naruto or Sasuke with body speed and tactic. Shinsuusenju doesnt have great speed like might Guy or Sasuke.

I'm not saying Hashi is stronger than JJ Madara. Read my first post on this thread. I manifestly said JJ Madara is stronger than Hashirama. What I disagreed was 8 Gates Gai being stronger than Hashirama because brute force alone isn't enough to bring down SS. JJ Madara can switch to ninjutsu to counter and destroy SS.

Basically, I'm not saying SS can kill JJ Madara or 8 Gates Gai. I'm saying that neither can 8 Gates Gai or JJ Madara do anything to SS with physical strength because it is absolutely humongous. JJ Madara can wreck SS with ninjutsu (CT rain) but 8 Gates Gai can't do anything.

That's why JJ Madara > Hashirama > 8 Gates Gai

No this is not about power that can kill Madara alone but more about overall battle between Hashi vs Madara or Guy vs Madara

JJ Madara is stronger than both. But Hashi > Gai.

Edit: Shinsuusenju is strong but here I want to tell that I gave credit to Guy more than Hashirama bcus he fought Madara without any jutsu and using his own body but still have power to damaged Madara badly.

That's not important whether he fought solely using his own body and without jutsu. It's about overall comparison, defense and offense.

Giving credit is okay. I mean sure, Gai seriously damages JJ Madara's body. But if you're using that credit to prove Gai stronger than Hashi, then I disagree.

Similar to this:-

I gave more credit to someone that can kill Bull Elephant using his punch or kick alone than someone that kill Bull Elephant with same weight and size using his man made rifle.

Depends of what reason you're giving credit as stated above.

People see Shinshuusenju kill Madara and recognize him as the strongest but Shinsuusenju was the strongest one here and not Hashirama. Just because he can created Shinsuusenju with his Massive chakra doesnt mean his body got same strength as Shinsuusenju.

See that KG and Demon Hawk or look at my Ava and you can understand

That's again not important. Why are you constantly emphasizing on Hashirama's physical strength? That's not important when determining a character to be stronger than the other. It's the overall strength that matters.

 

[Ansatsuken]

This. SS will do more damage than what others can. Except that only one hand will be the actual force factor since JJ Madara has a very small volume to be a target of all hands simultaneously. And if JJ Madara manages to stop that one hand with brute force, then SS can't do shit. In other words, SS has much higher raw power than what can possibly be applied on JJ Madara.



I'm not saying Hashi is stronger than JJ Madara. Read my first post on this thread. I manifestly said JJ Madara is stronger than Hashirama. What I disagreed was 8 Gates Gai being stronger than Hashirama because brute force alone isn't enough to bring down SS.

Basically, I'm not saying SS can kill JJ Madara or 8 Gates Gai. I'm saying that neither can 8 Gates Gai or JJ Madara do anything to SS because it is absolutely humongous. Shinsuusenju > Madara's PS > 8 Gates Gai



JJ Madara is stronger than both. But Hashi > Gai.






That's again not important. Why are you constantly emphasizing on Hashirama's physical strength. That's not important when determining a character to be stronger than the other. It's the overall strength that matters.

Do you know what strength mean or you need me to shove a dictionary to your face?

Yes Gai is stronger than Hashirama. Dont try to shove your personal believe on me. Proven by manga already that Gai having strength/stronger than Kages in 8 gates mode.

That's not important whether he fought solely using his own body and without jutsu. It's about overall comparison, defense and offense.

Why I need to follow your rules here when you disregard anything I want to tell you and understand it?

I gave you the reason already why I gave credit to Guy more than Hashi. It bcus he fight Madara using his own body strength and not other thing strength.

That's again not important. Why are you constantly emphasizing on Hashirama's physical strength. That's not important when determining a character to be stronger than the other. It's the overall strength that matters

Lel, this guy thinking that Hashi can take on 8 gates guy. And also thinking Hashi overall strength is greater than Guy. Hashi himself admitted that JJ Obito is stronger than him but Gai can challenged JJ Madara that tier above JJ Obito using Taijutsu alone. You know that Guy is fast enough to attack Madara without that Rikudou Shinobi can escape just defending. You think Massive jutsu like Mokujin can catch up to guy speed? Guy can attack Hashi without God of Shinobi can do anything. Dont tells me that SM Hashi has same reflex and speed like JJ Obito let alone JJ Madara.

This is where Hashi body strength came into play to defend against Evening Elephant attack. But he never have that kind of strength similar to JJ Madara or TSB. Hashi's overall strength is nothing infront of 8 gates guy's overall Strength.

You here actually tried to say Hashi=/>8 Gates Guy=/<JJ Madara. Manga portrayed otherwise.

Edit: What the point of his so called overall strength when he get defeat by 8 gates Guy? People will rate Guy higher than Hashi in the end. Manga support this.

Here you just think about direct hit, size and not battle circumstances.

 

[KidGamer65]

People see Shinshuusenju kill Madara and recognize him as the strongest but Shinsuusenju was the strongest one here and not Hashirama.

What in the actual hell is this BS?

Lel, this guy thinking that Hashi can take on 8 gates guy. And also thinking Hashi overall strength is greater than Guy. Hashi himself admitted that JJ Obito is stronger than him but Gai can challenged JJ Madara that tier above JJ Obito using Taijutsu alone. You know that Guy is fast enough to attack Madara without that Rikudou Shinobi can escape just defending. You think Massive jutsu like Mokujin can catch up to guy speed? Guy can attack Hashi without God of Shinobi can do anything. Dont tells me that SM Hashi has same reflex and speed like JJ Obito let alone JJ Madara.

This is where Hashi body strength came into play to defend against Evening Elephant attack. But he never have that kind of strength similar to JJ Madara or TSB. Hashi's overall strength is nothing infront of 8 gates guy's overall Strength.

You here actually tried to say Hashi=/>8 Gates Guy=/<JJ Madara. Manga portrayed otherwise.

Edit: What the point of his so called overall strength when he get defeat by 8 gates Guy? People will rate Guy higher than Hashi in the end. Manga support this.

Here you just think about direct hit, size and not battle circumstances.

Gai fought a Madara who had no Gudo Dama, without Shinju control. If Obito were to fight this Madara, he'd maul him too. JJ Madara>JJ Obito overall, but take away the Gudo Dama, and he can't properly defend against Obito's attacks nor can he injure Obito. So Gai fighting Madara doesn't necessarily make him as strong as full powered Madara or Obito.

In fact, Manga never portrayed anything. Manga portrayed that Gai could only challenge Madara with help, and only fail in the end.

Now when it comes to comparing Gai and Hashirama's stats and strength:

-Durability goes to Hashirama by a landslide due to Mokuton.
-Firepower goes to Hashirama by a landslide due to Shinsuusenju.
-Speed goes to Gai by a landslide since he can keep up with Juubi Jins.

Gai can go above Hashirama because he'd be able to challenge stronger people than Hashirama due to his speed.