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Funny thing is. The Gokage actually Low diff this:

Gaara - Desert Suspension: The Kages are lifted into the air, where neither Kakashi can snipe, or Gai can reach (due to constant aerial movement). I'm not sure if Kitsuchi can fly, but either way Gaara > Ohnoki in flght speed so Gaara > Kitschu in it as well, not to mention Gaara would quickly restrain them all via sand hands + sand drizzle from the get go.

Ohnoki, and the others are in the air via Sand cloud, Tsunade transfer chakra to Ohnoki like she did canonically, Ohnoki Jinton's the whole entire area, not to mention he said he could possible take out the whole turtle island.. Ohnoki full strength + Tsunade's chakra = Dead Jonin.

Don't feel like pulling out scans, and what not. Because I don't think anyone will actually debate on this. Call my bluff tho.
 

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Bold was never shown as Edo Madara never fought Gai, and I know you can't be talking about JJ Madara because Madara was casually evading Gai's attacks by backpeddling, didn't even use Shunshin or flight. The only thing he was too slow to do was strike, and that is irrelevant to movement speed thus irrelevant to my point.

-Gates improving running speed proves what again? Oh wait. It proves that Gated Gai>Base Gai in speed. Not that 7G Gai can blitz Hashirama from 70 meters away.

-Why are you using a CQC fight from Naruto as evidence his Shunshin is slower than Gai's top speed by a lot?
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-That Susanoo is obviously smaller than the one Madara used as an Edo against the Gokage. [ ] [ ]

The only thing you have a point about is the Gedo Mazo being around 2 or 3x the size of Hachibi. Good thing that Gedo Mazo being 2-3x larger than this:

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Doesn't make it anywhere near this size:

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Thus, as usual and as expected, you have no point.
I meant JJ Madara. He was getting hit. Not evading you tried to deny this before and got owned by half of the vs section until you conceded now your trying to argue this again typical KG. It proves that Hashirama gets blitz 70m is nothing to top tiers when it comes to speed. 7th gate Gai outclasses anything KM Naruto has when it comes to speed not sure why you mentioned him once again. No it isn't it look like it from the view when in actually it's still the same size as the one that Kurama dwarfed. He's still the same size in the Susanoo's gut. Irrelevant as i've said Kakashi can warp his team away from FTW anyways. Hashirama gets flower tree world out and dies from a 7th Gate assault while team Jounin walks away laughing.

Funny thing is. The Gokage actually Low diff this:

Gaara - Desert Suspension: The Kages are lifted into the air, where neither Kakashi can snipe, or Gai can reach (due to constant aerial movement). I'm not sure if Kitsuchi can fly, but either way Gaara > Ohnoki in flght speed so Gaara > Kitschu in it as well, not to mention Gaara would quickly restrain them all via sand hands + sand drizzle from the get go.

Ohnoki, and the others are in the air via Sand cloud, Tsunade transfer chakra to Ohnoki like she did canonically, Ohnoki Jinton's the whole entire area, not to mention he said he could possible take out the whole turtle island.. Ohnoki full strength + Tsunade's chakra = Dead Jonin.

Don't feel like pulling out scans, and what not. Because I don't think anyone will actually debate on this. Call my bluff tho.
Kamui snipes.......
 

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I meant JJ Madara. He was getting hit. Not evading you tried to deny this before and got owned by half of the vs section until you conceded now your trying to argue this again typical KG. It proves that Hashirama gets blitz 70m is nothing to top tiers when it comes to speed. 7th gate Gai outclasses anything KM Naruto has when it comes to speed not sure why you mentioned him once again. No it isn't it look like it from the view when in actually it's still the same size as the one that Kurama dwarfed. He's still the same size in the Susanoo's gut. Irrelevant as i've said Kakashi can warp his team away from FTW anyways. Hashirama gets flower tree world out and dies from a 7th Gate assault while team Jounin walks away laughing.


Kamui snipes.......

Distance is 70 meters. Implies sharingan which doesn't have Byakugan perception feats snipes.
 

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Stage 0=Win.
Stage 1= I don't think Kitsuchi, Hiashi, and Zabuza's speed are on their level. FTG can avoid kamui, and they can clone swap.
Stage 2= 3rd Raikage and Mu can easily take care of Zabuza and Kitsuchi. I don't think Gai can put down 3rd Raikage plus he is too fast for kamui if Mu can lighten him. Hiashi ends up getting taken down.
Stage 3= Gokage wins
Stage 4= Hashirama wins
Stage 5= Minato probably loses.
 
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Stage 0=Win.
Stage 1= I don't think Kitsuchi, Hiashi, and Zabuza's speed are on their level. FTG can avoid kamui, and they can clone swap.
Stage 2= 3rd Raikage and Mu can easily take care of Zabuza and Kitsuchi. I don't think Gai can put down 3rd Raikage plus he is too fast for kamui if Mu can lighten him. Hiashi ends up getting taken down.
Stage 3= Could go either way but I kinda lean on Jonins.
Stage 4= Hashirama wins
Stage 5= Minato probably loses.

Gokage aren't freaking losing to these dudes. :|
 

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I meant JJ Madara. He was getting hit. Not evading you tried to deny this before and got owned by half of the vs section until you conceded now your trying to argue this again typical KG. It proves that Hashirama gets blitz 70m is nothing to top tiers when it comes to speed. 7th gate Gai outclasses anything KM Naruto has when it comes to speed not sure why you mentioned him once again. No it isn't it look like it from the view when in actually it's still the same size as the one that Kurama dwarfed. He's still the same size in the Susanoo's gut. Irrelevant as i've said Kakashi can warp his team away from FTW anyways. Hashirama gets flower tree world out and dies from a 7th Gate assault while team Jounin walks away laughing.

1. Lol. Him making contact doesn't change the fact that he was backpeddling Gai's top speed and casually evading/blocking his assault. Don't get your panties in a twist when you don't even have the mental capacity to realize what I'm saying before I have to explain it to you like I'm some kind of professor.

2. You keep saying "70m is nothing to top tiers", but I don't care for your empty statements. You keep saying that 7G Gai>KCM Naruto in speed when I never denied it. I said that 7G Gai isn't a tier above him in raw movement speed. No feats support that notion. His feat against Madara was only possible because of striking speed and movement speed used together.

3. Except it's not, but I knew I shouldn't have expected you to be able to figure out the size difference on your own.

-The hands are far bigger. Just compare the one RT Madara used to himself, and then compare the hands of the Edo one against the Gokage.
-Susanoo's width compared to himself as an Edo and himself as a living person are different.

But I'm not going to waste time with a size argument when even if they aren't dead equal in size, your point still doesn't stand. Madara's Susanoo is near the size of one of Naruto's tails, which is only a bit smaller than his main body, thus the size difference does not even begin to support your point. Mountain Sandwich is nowhere near the size necessary to destroy the forest.

4. Already countered what happens when they warp out.

So either they stay out of the battlefield and lose by disqualification, attrition, or whatever else applies, or they go into the forest and get knocked out. Not to mention nothing stops Hashirama from forming a second forest to catch them.

5. What you are saying doesn't even make sense, as usual. If Flower World is formed during or before Gai tries to make his rush at Hashirama, the branches will get in his way forcing him to go around them all, which leads to:

-Hashirama easily fending off his attack since Gai won't be able to get past the forest being formed.
-Hashirama easily reacting since Gai will have to go around, thus it takes even longer for him to reach Hashirama.
-Gai gets crushed by the forest.
-Gai gets knocked out by the forest.
 

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It's pretty much just Kaakshi and guy since the others are non factors in most match ups
Stage 0 - 3rd Raikage and A
Kamui GGs the 3rd
Hirudora GGs Ay
Jonin win mid diff
Stage 1 - Minato (Base) & Tobirama,
Only one worth mentioning is Guy and he can't take out Minato and tobirama by himself
A single clone from Minato and tobirama working in tandem would finish Kaakshi off and the rest are dead fodders when they get marked and lol blitzed with ease

Minato and tobirama win mid/high diff
Stage 2 - 3rd raikage, Muu, 2nd Mizu,
Team kage win mid diff

Lightened raikage evades Kaakshis LoS to prevent from Kamui and lol blitzes him whilst mizukages clam genjutsu preventing guy from attacking him and leaving him vulnerable for Muu and raikage makes this a walk in the park

The rest get clowmed by raikage and Muu

Stage 3 - Gokage
Gokage win

Hidden mist blocking LoS prevents lol Kamui and raikaage blitzes everyone bar guy
Guy cannot take out all the Gokage by himself and using hirudora to finish off Gaara and Ay leaves him exhausted
Stage 4 - Base Hashirama (No Mokujin or wood dragon)
Hashirama still spanks
Stage 5 - KM Minato (No bushin)
Jonin win this
 

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Madara created an entire forest so fast that Tsunade said it was in an instant. This large branch was formed nigh instantly. [ ] Regardless of the distance, Kamui is still blocked.

Kakashi's kamui is so fast that Obito with sharingan and rinnegan pre-cog didn't see it happening. It worked even faster than summoning jutsu which is S/T on an object a lot bigger than a human body (and the larger the object the more time it takes for kakashi to spawn it)

If the distance is short there's no valid counter. And you're reading tsunade's words too literally. This forest's speed feats are not better than kamui's
 
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Stage 0- Easy win
Stage 1- Med difficulty win
Stage 2- Another med difficulty win
Stage 3- High difficulty lose.
Stage 4- High difficulty win. (Hashirama offense is poor here)
Stage 5- Easy win.
 

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Kakashi's kamui is so fast that Obito with sharingan and rinnegan pre-cog didn't see it happening. It worked even faster than summoning jutsu which is S/T on an object a lot bigger than a human body (and the larger the object the more time it takes for kakashi to spawn it)

If the distance is short there's no valid counter. And you're reading tsunade's words too literally. This forest's speed feats are not better than kamui's

1. Wrong. Obito thought he saw his stake poof the clone. Kamui was never so fast that Obito can't visually process it. :lol
2. Wrong again. Kakashi used Kamui, then the Mazo warped away. Which shows Summoning Jutsu>Kamui in speed, which should be clear since one is instant and the other instant. And Kamui is always the same speed regardless of the size of the object. The only variable is chakra.

If the distance is short, the counter is the same. Tsunade's words weren't meant to be taken literally nor did I ever say it was literally instant. I said it was so fast that she called it instant, and that was an entire forest let alone a single branch. Hashirama was able to summon Hobi before a point blank BD that had already begun to explode, finished exploding. Kamui is easily blocked.

Not to mention Hashirama is a sensor, but that doesn't help nearly as much as it does against Amaterasu.
 

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-They lose to the 3 Kage. Well, they might. It depends on Sharingan/Byakugan vs. Gengetsu's Clam Illusion.

No it does not the 3rd lightened raikage is not even V2 and even if he was Kamui is faster than Amaterasu muu and 3nd mizukage gets raped.

They might lose to the Gokage.

How?


Minato and Tobirama win. Kamui is non factor against a teleporting opponent which can exit line of sight instantly. Gai can beat either one high difficulty, but definitely not together especially when they can clone swap and hit him when he goes for the clone, or when he goes for one the other teleports there and lands a hit on Gai while he's attacking the other. Hiashi can't react to them or land a hit, and Kitsuchi and Zabuza are non factors.

Wrong Kamui is not a non factor we've seen Minato escape Obito's much slower kamui by a hair not saying he cannot dodge it im just saying if Kakashi can engage Minato then uses kamui its game or very well could be, Tobirama reacts are slower kamui can definitely snag him up or Kakashi can send one of his man to engage them also the mist blinds tobirama and nb4 they can sense They're not use to fighting on pure sensory alone and it would definitely delay they're reaction time also Kitsuchi shifting the ground could give them the win, Gai attacking they're clone then them trying to warp to it hurt gai gets them kamui sniped why because Kakashi knows Minato fighting style the moment when they appear to attack gai he could warp them, Gai using morning peacock to clear them out first would also be good and clone would be useless V2 Ei implied he could catch Minato even with his kunai scattered

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Kitsuchi sinking his kunai these it out of the way if Ei who is much slower then the top speed of 7 gates gai was thinking he could pull that off gai definitely does hell even half dead 6 gates gai intercepted a gudo dama.

Past kages definitely win. Lightened Raikage would be too fast for Kakashi to snipe off with kamui, and he can't find Gengetsu when he's hidden by his clam's genjutsu. Raikage tanks Hirudora, and against Muu and Gengetsu Gai wouldn't know where to aim it. Hiashi ends up getting blitzed with Nukite. Kitsuchi and Zabuza are non factors as usual.

How would lightened A be to fast for kamui? unless he is faster than v2 A which he won't he's not dodging shit be lightened also makes his attacks weaker the only reasons A was able to get off that punch is because onoki stayed attach to him the whole time if Muu does that he dies to Hirudora. Gai can use hirudora to knock him down or out for a second then kamui snipe game. Zabuza also has hidden mist Kitsuchi can easily destroy the clam with rock sand which and a falling rock wall which dwarf gyuki his kurama cloak has been gone even though i know there is some left over chakra its still is not boosted to its full power Kitsuchi alone would probably be able to make that wall rought Gyuki size if not bigger which is big enough to smash the clam easy. Muu cannot beat Hiashi who can see from a near 360 nore is he not making a sound and even if he does take down Hiashi he would give his location up and a hirudora would pop that ass.

Hashirama mauls them. Gai can't take out mokujin, flower tree world puts them to sleep and wood clones counter close combat or kamui snipes.

Mokujin is restricted.

Flower tree world get sanked or atleast the parts where the pollen is pumping from Gai flys everyone near Hiashi with his turtle then the hop off Air palm can deflect his incoming projectiles while their on the turtle giving Kakashi and gai they're kamui and hirudora room once the distance is closed its GG for Hashirama Zabuza could also use hidden mist to hinder his sight.



Kitsuchi doesn't > Gaara what are you smoking?
Kitsuchi is an Earth Release user, Gaara breaks down earth, and uses it as fuel for his sand. No earth release user can > Gaara. Ima hit that Draegod: FACT!

Gaara breaks down earth slow and he not breaking down mountain smash so irrelevant Gokage gets crushed.

Gaara - Desert Suspension: The Kages are lifted into the air, where neither Kakashi can snipe, or Gai can reach (due to constant aerial movement). I'm not sure if Kitsuchi can fly, but either way Gaara > Ohnoki in flght speed so Gaara > Kitschu in it as well, not to mention Gaara would quickly restrain them all via sand hands + sand drizzle from the get go.

His not getting to high before mountain smash which towers above gedo mazo smashed him while onoki tries to stop it Gai can glide up to him with his turtle along with Kakashi first using Morning peacock to force Gaara to defend it then kamui snipes followed by a Hirudora killing the gokage easy. Kitsuchi can also make stepping stones for the his team by raising the ground.

Ohnoki, and the others are in the air via Sand cloud, Tsunade transfer chakra to Ohnoki like she did canonically, Ohnoki Jinton's the whole entire area, not to mention he said he could possible take out the whole turtle island.. Ohnoki full strength + Tsunade's chakra = Dead Jonin.

Jinton gets a kamui sniped hole in it or Kitsuchi could sink them below it. Kakashi can also warp himself on the side or near Onoki then take his head off.


It's pretty much just Kaakshi and guy since the others are non factors in most match ups

Not its Not but Okei.

Only one worth mentioning is Guy and he can't take out Minato and tobirama by himself
A single clone from Minato and tobirama working in tandem would finish Kaakshi off and the rest are dead fodders when they get marked and lol blitzed with ease

No, can Tobirama even react to Kamui? Gai definitely can take 1 of them out mountain smash from the start would kill one of them for sure. Gai can also use his 6 gates which intercepted a gudo to charge one of them and use morning peacock larged scalled clearing they're clones kunai and marked spots get burried with earth release Kitsuchi can also use his doton to cover his body to protect against kunai slashes Onoki's weaker subject made a smaller rock golem we can assume the second greatest doton user in the series can aswell which would be extremely effective against People like Tobirama and Minato that lack fire power Minato & Tobirama gets distracted by gai and blinded by the mist giving room for air palms and Hirudora also rock wall smashing them, Minato and Tobirama's foot speed is toyed with by moving the earth up in down everywhere they step they will also have to worry about kamui they get overwhelmed easy.

Minato and tobirama win mid/high diff

They get spanked

Lightened raikage evades Kaakshis LoS to prevent from Kamui and lol blitzes him whilst mizukages clam genjutsu preventing guy from attacking him and leaving him vulnerable for Muu and raikage makes this a walk in the park

Based off what is he evading Kakashi's line of sight not to mention Sasuke still used enton right before Ei strike if that was kamui Ei's head would have been gone raikage gets sunked in a giant whole by kitsuchi then gets kamuied or gai uses hirudora on him knocks him down then kamui 1 shots. Mizukage cannot see through zabuza's mist also clam is destroy with mountain smash or air palm muu is tricked up with bushin from kakashi and once he destroys one he gives away his location then gets his body chopped in half by zabuza. 2nd mizukage dies when mountain smash destroys the clam.

The rest get clowmed by raikage and Muu

Not even close.

Hidden mist blocking LoS prevents lol Kamui and raikaage blitzes everyone bar guy
Guy cannot take out all the Gokage by himself and using hirudora to finish off Gaara and Ay leaves him exhausted

The latter is also blinded by the mist so raikage is not blitzing shit when he's blind as a bat Kitsuchi raises everyone above the mist then morning peacock following by air palms swarm them out the moment the come out kamui snipes for everyone. Or Mountain smash can be used at the same time the mist is killing mei.
 

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Lmfao. Dafuq is with this BS?



Flower tree world get sanked [x] or atleast the parts where the pollen is pumping from Gai flys everyone near Hiashi with his turtle then the hop off Air palm can deflect his incoming projectiles while their on the turtle giving Kakashi and gai they're kamui and hirudora room once the distance is closed its GG for Hashirama Zabuza could also use hidden mist to hinder his sight.

Hashirama shunshin a no feats so do not even bring it up he is pushed above hobi before he gets to summon it getting smashed or mountain smash can be used at the same time as the flower tree world. If you claim a slower Hashirama who has no speed feats can get out of the Aoe of M.S which is far larger then 70m 7G or 6G can do that easy intercepted a gudo dama from point blank range while in 6gates 7 gates gai tagging Madara Hashirama gets hit up.
 

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1. Wrong. Obito thought he saw his stake poof the clone. Kamui was never so fast that Obito can't visually process it. :lol
2. Wrong again. Kakashi used Kamui, then the Mazo warped away. Which shows Summoning Jutsu>Kamui in speed, which should be clear since one is instant and the other instant. And Kamui is always the same speed regardless of the size of the object. The only variable is chakra.

If the distance is short, the counter is the same. Tsunade's words weren't meant to be taken literally nor did I ever say it was literally instant. I said it was so fast that she called it instant, and that was an entire forest let alone a single branch. Hashirama was able to summon Hobi before a point blank BD that had already begun to explode, finished exploding. Kamui is easily blocked.

Not to mention Hashirama is a sensor, but that doesn't help nearly as much as it does against Amaterasu.

What? Obito clearly didn't see the kamui. If it wasn't that way he would have noticed it, so he wouldn't have gotten tricked by naruto on the other dimension. :lmao:

-Obito didn't see the kamui warp --> Obito sees the clone is no longer there -----> Obito thinks it was his stake.

Kakashi's kamui literally happened in front of Obito's nose, and Obito didn't see naruto getting sucked into the kamui dimension. Why? His eyes didn't see it.

-The Kamui warping is always the same speed, but against larger objects Kakashi needs more prep. That feat is just about how fast Kakashi can spawn Kamui against a large object, meaning that against smaller object he does it even faster.

-None of the feats you mentioned suggests Kakashi's LOS would be blocked on time. And sensor abilities are useless if the chakra gather on kakashi's eye happens almost instantly
 
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What? Obito clearly didn't see the kamui. If it wasn't that way he would have noticed it, so he wouldn't have gotten tricked by naruto on the other dimension. :lmao:

-Obito didn't see the kamui warp --> Obito sees the clone is no longer there -----> Obito thinks it was his stake.

Kakashi's kamui literally happened in front of Obito's nose, and Obito didn't see naruto getting sucked into the kamui dimension. Why? His eyes didn't see it.

-The Kamui warping is always the same speed, but against larger objects Kakashi needs more prep. That feat is just about how fast Kakashi can spawn Kamui against a large object, meaning that against smaller object he does it even faster.

-None of the feats you mentioned suggests Kakashi's LOS would be blocked on time. And sensor abilities are useless if the chakra gather on kakashi's eye happens almost instantly

Lmfao. Read the Manga, and use some common sense while you are at it.

1. Kamui starts to activate. [ ]
2. Obito fires his stake at the same exact time.
3. Kamui warps before the stake gets it, but due to how close together both events occurred, Obito was lead to believe that his stake killed the clone. You sound ridiculous saying Kamui moves faster than a Sharingan can process it even though it's never moved at a speed like that before and after it was used in that chapter.

If that stake had never been used, Obito would've easily seen the clone get warped as his. The funny part is, the warping began and Obito clearly picked up on it.

No, when the object reaches a certain size, Kakashi has a noticeable build up of chakra.

-Against Obito when he was walking towards Madara.
-Against the Mazo's arm. Hell, this feat was an incomplete Kamui anyway. If something had blocked Mazo's LoS instead of summoning jutsu saving it, the tech would've failed miserably.
-Against Kaguya's bone.

The "prep" time was no different. So it won't be different here.

No, they aren't. That only means that Hashirama has a smaller window to react. The rest isn't a counter. It's just you giving me your opinion which I don't care for unless there is reasoning behind it. Hashirama can form his Mokuton as fast as Madara activates Susanoo, which is nigh instantly. He can form Mokuton faster than a point blank BD's explosion can occur. Kamui is easily blocked. Didn't Madara interrupt Kamui from the same Kakashi who warped the Mazo with a kick? :lol You people really need to stop with the wank of this jutsu.

Do I have to post scans where Kamui even when used by Rikudo powered Obito and Kakashi doesn't move fast enough to the point where "it can't be visually processed". :lol Madara must send Minato flying through the air at a speed that'd let him interrupt Kamui despite it not being able to be "visually processed".

Oh look. It's Kakashi.


Visually processing Kamui from Obito w/ Rikudo's power. :lol Come on now pal.
 
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Flower tree world get sanked [x] or atleast the parts where the pollen is pumping from Gai flys everyone near Hiashi with his turtle then the hop off Air palm can deflect his incoming projectiles while their on the turtle giving Kakashi and gai they're kamui and hirudora room once the distance is closed its GG for Hashirama Zabuza could also use hidden mist to hinder his sight.

Hashirama shunshin a no feats so do not even bring it up he is pushed above hobi before he gets to summon it getting smashed or mountain smash can be used at the same time as the flower tree world. If you claim a slower Hashirama who has no speed feats can get out of the Aoe of M.S which is far larger then 70m 7G or 6G can do that easy intercepted a gudo dama from point blank range while in 6gates 7 gates gai tagging Madara Hashirama gets hit up.

:lol When Kitsuchi has the scale to sink every part where the pollen is growing get at me. Not to mention he can't bury it, he can only lower it's elevation. Not sure how Gai is going to fly people on a turtle that is not only too small for all 5, but can't even fly to begin with. The distance never gets closed. I've explained why enough times for you not to ignore it and give me something I pretty much already countered when I was arguing with TRE MERCER.

Already mentioned how Hashirama was crossing Mountain Distances on foot during his fight with Madara. Meaning he easily evades Mountain Sandwich. How is he pushed above Hobi when the dome is closed at the ceiling. :lol How in the hell is he even using earth core tech when he's in the middle of using Mountain Sandwich.

Oh wait, he's not.

Kakashi can't snipe from 70m and it has nothing to do with his field of view. His eyesight is crap by the time he's mastered Kamui, and needs to be up close to see what he wants to warp away. Not to mention he doesn't need to do that when Mokuton easily blocks LoS, and 7G Gai is easily reacted to from 70m away when Hashirama matches someone like EMS Madara, who is faster than Sasuke by quite a good amount.

-Already replied to the Madara feat.
-Gudo Dama is irrelevant. How does intercepting a Gudo Dama mean that he can blitz from 70m away.
 
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No it does not the 3rd lightened raikage is not even V2 and even if he was Kamui is faster than Amaterasu muu and 3nd mizukage gets raped.



How?




Wrong Kamui is not a non factor we've seen Minato escape Obito's much slower kamui by a hair not saying he cannot dodge it im just saying if Kakashi can engage Minato then uses kamui its game or very well could be, Tobirama reacts are slower kamui can definitely snag him up or Kakashi can send one of his man to engage them also the mist blinds tobirama and nb4 they can sense They're not use to fighting on pure sensory alone and it would definitely delay they're reaction time also Kitsuchi shifting the ground could give them the win, Gai attacking they're clone then them trying to warp to it hurt gai gets them kamui sniped why because Kakashi knows Minato fighting style the moment when they appear to attack gai he could warp them, Gai using morning peacock to clear them out first would also be good and clone would be useless V2 Ei implied he could catch Minato even with his kunai scattered

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Kitsuchi sinking his kunai these it out of the way if Ei who is much slower then the top speed of 7 gates gai was thinking he could pull that off gai definitely does hell even half dead 6 gates gai intercepted a gudo dama.



How would lightened A be to fast for kamui? unless he is faster than v2 A which he won't he's not dodging shit be lightened also makes his attacks weaker the only reasons A was able to get off that punch is because onoki stayed attach to him the whole time if Muu does that he dies to Hirudora. Gai can use hirudora to knock him down or out for a second then kamui snipe game. Zabuza also has hidden mist Kitsuchi can easily destroy the clam with rock sand which and a falling rock wall which dwarf gyuki his kurama cloak has been gone even though i know there is some left over chakra its still is not boosted to its full power Kitsuchi alone would probably be able to make that wall rought Gyuki size if not bigger which is big enough to smash the clam easy. Muu cannot beat Hiashi who can see from a near 360 nore is he not making a sound and even if he does take down Hiashi he would give his location up and a hirudora would pop that ass.



Mokujin is restricted.

Flower tree world get sanked or atleast the parts where the pollen is pumping from Gai flys everyone near Hiashi with his turtle then the hop off Air palm can deflect his incoming projectiles while their on the turtle giving Kakashi and gai they're kamui and hirudora room once the distance is closed its GG for Hashirama Zabuza could also use hidden mist to hinder his sight.





Gaara breaks down earth slow and he not breaking down mountain smash so irrelevant Gokage gets crushed.



His not getting to high before mountain smash which towers above gedo mazo smashed him while onoki tries to stop it Gai can glide up to him with his turtle along with Kakashi first using Morning peacock to force Gaara to defend it then kamui snipes followed by a Hirudora killing the gokage easy. Kitsuchi can also make stepping stones for the his team by raising the ground.



Jinton gets a kamui sniped hole in it or Kitsuchi could sink them below it. Kakashi can also warp himself on the side or near Onoki then take his head off.




Not its Not but Okei.



No, can Tobirama even react to Kamui? Gai definitely can take 1 of them out mountain smash from the start would kill one of them for sure. Gai can also use his 6 gates which intercepted a gudo to charge one of them and use morning peacock larged scalled clearing they're clones kunai and marked spots get burried with earth release Kitsuchi can also use his doton to cover his body to protect against kunai slashes Onoki's weaker subject made a smaller rock golem we can assume the second greatest doton user in the series can aswell which would be extremely effective against People like Tobirama and Minato that lack fire power Minato & Tobirama gets distracted by gai and blinded by the mist giving room for air palms and Hirudora also rock wall smashing them, Minato and Tobirama's foot speed is toyed with by moving the earth up in down everywhere they step they will also have to worry about kamui they get overwhelmed easy.



They get spanked



Based off what is he evading Kakashi's line of sight not to mention Sasuke still used enton right before Ei strike if that was kamui Ei's head would have been gone raikage gets sunked in a giant whole by kitsuchi then gets kamuied or gai uses hirudora on him knocks him down then kamui 1 shots. Mizukage cannot see through zabuza's mist also clam is destroy with mountain smash or air palm muu is tricked up with bushin from kakashi and once he destroys one he gives away his location then gets his body chopped in half by zabuza. 2nd mizukage dies when mountain smash destroys the clam.



Not even close.



The latter is also blinded by the mist so raikage is not blitzing shit when he's blind as a bat Kitsuchi raises everyone above the mist then morning peacock following by air palms swarm them out the moment the come out kamui snipes for everyone. Or Mountain smash can be used at the same time the mist is killing mei.

Little unorth what is this bullshit? Gaara breaks down the earth slow? Come on now. He broke down a huge ass field of grass/dirt/rocks making it into fine sand in less than a second if even that. Ima have to educate you right quick in Sand 101 my son?
 

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:lol When Kitsuchi has the scale to sink every part where the pollen is growing get at me. Not to mention he can't bury it, he can only lower it's elevation. Not sure how Gai is going to fly people on a turtle that is not only too small for all 5, but can't even fly to begin with. The distance never gets closed. I've explained why enough times for you not to ignore it and give me something I pretty much already countered when I was arguing with TRE MERCER.

Does not need to sink every part of the pollen when the whole forest is not pumping the pollen to begin with that point needs to be killed Kitsuchi has tons of large scale techs sinking the flower that pumps the pollen is to easy there is for of these flowers rock bushin covers the area and sinks them then blocks the whole with a giant boulder. I meant glide and the only ones he need on the turtle is Him Kakashi and Hiashi or Kakashi could just warp himself behind Hashirama then get to sniping. The distance gets covered easily Kitsuchi can make stepping stones for them well above the forest, You claim Hashirama can escape the distance yet someone faster cannot bad logic is bad. Well instead of saying what you did just repost them im not going to go back and read your post. If that does not work Kakashi clones wake them up as the pollen has no effect on them.

Already mentioned how Hashirama was crossing Mountain Distances on foot during his fight with Madara.

Yet a much faster Gai cannot and 70m is nowhere near Mountain distances. Hashirama was jumping from debri to debri vs running on his actual feet.

Meaning he easily evades Mountain Sandwich. How is he pushed above Hobi when the dome is closed at the ceiling. :lol How in the hell is he even using earth core tech when he's in the middle of using Mountain Sandwich.

Running out of the way of mountain sandwich causes him to get closer to the group which ends and him being killed. Because hobi as an opening and is not always close but ill agree with you on that. How the hell is hashirama using hobei and Flower tree world at the same time?

Oh wait, he's not.

Vice versa

Kakashi can't snipe from 70m and it has nothing to do with his field of view. His eyesight is crap by the time he's mastered Kamui, and needs to be up close to see what he wants to warp away. Not to mention he doesn't need to do that when Mokuton easily blocks LoS, and 7G Gai is easily reacted to from 70m away when Hashirama matches someone like EMS Madara, who is faster than Sasuke by quite a good amount.

Kakashi does not need to snipe from that far away whats wrong with with you he can get close my simply warping behind Hashirama or Gai's turtle pick your poison. How does his Mokuton block is line of sight when he's right behind Hashirama same for when he's on top of the turtle? No one said gai is trying to blitz from 70m away that's your misconception i said gai can close the gap with a 6 gates shunshin the proceed to attack when hes closer with his 7 gates. Irrelevant because 6G gai speed >> EMS Madara same with 7G and Sasuke had no problem fighting sm Madara and cqc so i would not say by a good margin fool.

Gudo Dama is irrelevant. How does intercepting a Gudo Dama mean that he can blitz from 70m away.

No one never said a phucking blitz now stop saying that nonsense.

Whats Hashirama counter to blinding mist? from zabuza which you have no addressed at all

Little unorth what is this bullshit? Gaara breaks down the earth slow? Come on now. He broke down a huge ass field of grass/dirt/rocks making it into fine sand in less than a second if even that. Ima have to educate you right quick in Sand 101 my son?

Try me and get owned

Gaara is not breaking down a mountain smash in seconds he gets killed simple as that.
 

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Does not need to sink every part of the pollen when the whole forest is not pumping the pollen to begin with that point needs to be killed Kitsuchi has tons of large scale techs sinking the flower that pumps the pollen is to easy there is for of these flowers rock bushin covers the area and sinks them then blocks the whole with a giant boulder. I meant glide and the only ones he need on the turtle is Him Kakashi and Hiashi or Kakashi could just warp himself behind Hashirama then get to sniping. The distance gets covered easily Kitsuchi can make stepping stones for them well above the forest, You claim Hashirama can escape the distance yet someone faster cannot bad logic is bad. Well instead of saying what you did just repost them im not going to go back and read your post. If that does not work Kakashi clones wake them up as the pollen has no effect on them.

Yet Kitsuchi's mobile core still isn't large enough to sink it completely. Not to mention the forest's branches are all entwined. Why would a hole in one section of the forest cause the branches to sink underneath when it has the support of the whole forest keeping it up? Makes zero sense. Kitsuchi sinks nothing.

That turtle can't fly or glide. What in the hell are you even talking about? :lol

Where did I claim that Hashirama escapes the distance for the Flower World? Nowhere. Don't compare Mountain Sandwich to the Flower World.




Yet a much faster Gai cannot and 70m is nowhere near Mountain distances. Hashirama was jumping from debri to debri vs running on his actual feet.
So? :lol. Hashirama's speed is what got him from Point A to Point B. Him having debris to jump on literally proves nothing. The rest is irrelevant since I never claimed:

1. Gai can't escape Flower World.
2. Gai can't cross Mountain Distances.
3. Gai can't replicate Hashirama's speed feats.

Running out of the way of mountain sandwich causes him to get closer to the group which ends and him being killed. Because hobi as an opening and is not always close but ill agree with you on that. How the hell is hashirama using hobei and Flower tree world at the same time?

Uh, no. Unless the group can be in the front and in the back at the same time, Hashirama simply goes the opposite way, thus the tech is evaded with ease.

Never said he will. :lol Are you trying to invent points for me now?

Vice versa

Nope. He's not.

Kakashi does not need to snipe from that far away whats wrong with with you he can get close my simply warping behind Hashirama or Gai's turtle pick your poison. How does his Mokuton block is line of sight when he's right behind Hashirama same for when he's on top of the turtle? No one said gai is trying to blitz from 70m away that's your misconception i said gai can close the gap with a 6 gates shunshin the proceed to attack when hes closer with his 7 gates. Irrelevant because 6G gai speed >> EMS Madara same with 7G and Sasuke had no problem fighting sm Madara and cqc so i would not say by a good margin fool.

-Gai's turtle can't fly or glide. Suggest you lay off the drugs and read the Manga correctly.
-If he decides to warp using Kamui, the forest will already be formed, thus the moment he emerges he gets knocked out. Or Hashirama simply makes clones while Kakashi is warping to him. Fail point is a fail.
-If Gai foolishly uses 6G to close the 70m distance and then uses 7G, by the time he's reached his destination in 6G Hashirama has already put up the forest and put all these clowns to sleep. His only chance is if he can cross 50m and then kill Hashirama before he can put the forest up, but he can't.

LOL. Dumbest thing I've heard today. When 6G Gai has the speed feats to be put on Madara's level then we can talk. 6G Gai Shunshin'd towards Kisame and tried to kick him. Kisame reacted, but was too slow to stop the kick. If Kisame can react to 6G Gai's strike, let alone his Shunshin, then 6G Gai is not as fast as Madara nor is he going to do shit to Hashirama before Hashirama does something.

Since when did fighting someone in CQC make your Shunshin as fast as theirs? Since when did getting your attacks weaved by a blind man with Sage Mode make you as reflexive as him?

Oh wait. Never.


No one never said a phucking blitz now stop saying that nonsense.

Then you replying to me is a waste of time, because the only way they stand a chance is if they blitz before Hashirama can act. Once he acts, they have to deal with Flower World and Mokuton Clones. And news flash...

They can't.

Whats Hashirama counter to blinding mist? from zabuza which you have no addressed at all

Hashirama can sense chakra. Get that blinding mist nonsense out of here.
 

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Stage 0 - 3rd Raikage and A @ jonin lose
Stage 1 - Minato (Base) & Tobirama @ jonin win
Stage 2 - 3rd raikage, Muu, 2nd Mizu @ jonin lose
Stage 3 - Gokage @ jonin lose
Stage 4 - Base Hashirama (No Mokujin or wood dragon) @ jonin lose
Stage 5 - KM Minato (No bushin) @ jonin lose
 
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