MS Madara takes the Gaunlet

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Everything you sayid wrong and dumb.

 

[NarutoX28]

Everything you sayid wrong and dumb.

That's kind of the whole point though. He's a genius at what he does.

 

[NarutoX28]

MS Madara = MS Izuna
& Tobirama 1 shotted Izuna so Madara loses.

Not true. Obito/ Itachi's statement (I can't remember who made that implication) shouldn't hold any merit as it depended on Madara and Izuna having a rivalry which was never present at all during Hashirama's story. If anything, Hashirama and Madara were portrayed as equals as both strived to better each other each time they met.

Furthermore, prior to Izuna's death, Kishimoto had set the foundation that Madara was superior to Izuna as Izuna stated, "There's someone stronger than big bro," (something along the lines of that) after Madara conceded Hashirama as being his superior.

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It's clear that Madara was portrayed as Izuna's superior as Izuna was shocked that there was someone stronger than his older brother, not stronger than themselves.

You can argue that this was their relationship while they were young, but that's all we have to go by as Hashirama's story soon shifts to the moment where Izuna dies.

 

[Apêx1]

Under the assumption he has everything he did as EMS but lesser Pre-cog and lesser Susano versions.

Stage 1 - Hebi Sasuke

Madara low-mid diff.

Stage 2 - Tobirama

Madara extreme diff.

Stage 3 - Minato (No sm)

Madara extreme diff.

Stage 4 - SM jiraiya

Madara high diff

Stage 5 - War arc sm Naruto

Madara extreme diff

Stage 6 - Pain

Pain high diff.

Stage 7 - Kisame & Itachi

Kisame and Itachi mid diff.

Stage 8 - 3rd & 4th Raikage

If Madara has Kage Bunshin's then he wins, otherwise he loses.

Stage 9 - KSM Naruto

KSM Naruto low diffs.

 

[Chaosmark101]

Not true. Obito/ Itachi's statement (I can't remember who made that implication) shouldn't hold any merit as it depended on Madara and Izuna having a rivalry which was never present at all during Hashirama's story.

I'm sorry bro but it does hold merit because.
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2. Us readers not seeing the Uchiha's bros rivalry during Hashirama's story makes sense because It's Hashirama's story, who is a senju he never spent time with the uchihas, until they made peace.

If anything, Hashirama and Madara were portrayed as equals as both strived to better each other each time they met.

Nope Hashirama was portrayed as superior every step of the way.
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Furthermore, prior to Izuna's death, Kishimoto had set the foundation that Madara was superior to Izuna as Izuna stated, "There's someone stronger than big bro," (something along the lines of that) after Madara conceded Hashirama as being his superior.

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It's clear that Madara was portrayed as Izuna's superior as Izuna was shocked that there was someone stronger than his older brother, not stronger than themselves.

You can argue that this was their relationship while they were young, but that's all we have to go by as Hashirama's story soon shifts to the moment where Izuna dies.

:lol Dude obviously Kid Madara was gonna be stronger than his younger brother Izuna, Neither had Sharingan & Madara spent almost every day training with Hashirama. Which is why in my post you quoted I said. "MS Madara = MS Izuna"

Sorry for the late reply btw

 

[NarutoX28]

I'm sorry bro but it does hold merit because.
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2. Us readers not seeing the Uchiha's bros rivalry during Hashirama's story makes sense because It's Hashirama's story, who is a senju he never spent time with the uchihas, until they made peace.

Getting all of the information from Madara doesn't necessarily mean anything when Madara was the one trying to manipulate Obito in the first place. He merely only told Obito what he wanted him to know and that was it.

Actually, we can see from the Senju's perspective that the Uchiha had already known that Madara was spending too much time with Hashirama, hence why both parties were suspicious about Madara and Hashi's whereabouts, so the likelihood of Madara sparring with Izuna, esp. when there was a war going on between both parties was rather slim. Furthermore, it was because of Madara and Hashirama's rivalry and Madara's willingness to strive to be Hashirama's superior that made him spend an immense amount of time with him. Sure, part of that was discussing about their dreams, but it was also conveyed that they did share some of their thoughts through their fists as well.

Nope Hashirama was portrayed as superior every step of the way.
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There were moments such as Madara and Hashirama's Taijutsu spar and the fact that Madara only fell flat on his face once Hashirama got the whole clan involved that suggested they were equals.

Madara awakened his 1 Tomoe Sharingan and thus, regained his status of equality, so that point is moot.

Madara had to face against the entire clan which is not ridiculous considering most Uchihas surrended after Izuna's death and the fact that Tobirama also had scratch marks that indicated that he was engaged in the battle as well. The fact that it was presented that this was the first moment that Madara ever laid flat on the ground implied they were equals up until Izuna's death anyways, so anything after that is irrelevant.

:lol Dude obviously Kid Madara was gonna be stronger than his younger brother Izuna, Neither had Sharingan & Madara spent almost every day training with Hashirama. Which is why in my post you quoted I said. "MS Madara = MS Izuna"

Sorry for the late reply btw

That's really all we have to by before it shifted towards Izuna's death, so it's reasonable to assume Kishimoto wanted to establish the relationship between the two brothers.

Meh, I post late replies all the time as debates can be time consuming.

 

[Chaosmark101]

Getting all of the information from Madara doesn't necessarily mean anything when Madara was the one trying to manipulate Obito in the first place. He merely only told Obito what he wanted him to know and that was it.

Obito knew of Madara

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If Madara did indeed tell Obito that him & his brother were Equals prior to obtaining, It shows merit, because he constantly wanks Hashirama who does deserve praise for his strength.

Actually, we can see from the Senju's perspective that the Uchiha had already known that Madara was spending too much time with Hashirama, hence why both parties were suspicious about Madara and Hashi's whereabouts, so the likelihood of Madara sparring with Izuna, esp. when there was a war going on between both parties was rather slim. Furthermore, it was because of Madara and Hashirama's rivalry and Madara's willingness to strive to be Hashirama's superior that made him spend an immense amount of time with him. Sure, part of that was discussing about their dreams, but it was also conveyed that they did share some of their thoughts through their fists as well.

The pictures of Madara & Izuna sparing, & the scan that said they were equals was when they both had MS. Anything before both had MS is irrelevant.

There were moments such as Madara and Hashirama's Taijutsu spar and the fact that Madara only fell flat on his face once Hashirama got the whole clan involved that suggested they were equals.

Which is why I said in the last post "(refer to VOTE also)". Madara needed Stronger power than he had. & Hashirama still solo'd

They weren't equal, otherwise this wouldn't have

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Madara awakened his 1 Tomoe Sharingan and thus, regained his status of equality, so that point is moot.

maybe.

Madara had to face against the entire clan which is not ridiculous considering most Uchihas surrended after Izuna's death and the fact that Tobirama also had scratch marks that indicated that he was engaged in the battle as well. The fact that it was presented that this was the first moment that Madara ever laid flat on the ground implied they were equals up until Izuna's death anyways, so anything after that is irrelevant.

:lol he literally got an Extreme power up

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, & still lost.
If your implying a weaker just MS Madara wouldn't have been tossed to the floor by Hashirama & Tobirama & the rest of the Senju's your Mad Bro

That's really all we have to by before it shifted towards Izuna's death, so it's reasonable to assume Kishimoto wanted to establish the relationship between the two brothers.

Madara said, Himself & Izuna were equal in power before he got his brothers eyes. The rest is irrelevant.

Meh, I post late replies all the time as debates can be time consuming.

I was replying to this as soon as you posted, by my friend called that very minute & we hung out :lol . Hope you don't mind

 

[Brooks]

The only thing that was stated was both Madara and Izuna were testing their skills against each other, but there was no were in the manga they were mentioned as equals.​

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OT: Madara likely stops at the sixth stage.​

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Stops at Tobirama.

I second this it was stated that madara and his bro were very close in strength tobirama defeated him with ftg alone (and perhaps some water techs )

Adds Edo tensi infinite bomb explosion he should be enough
And can't tobirama just teleport his Susanno away ?
I mean if minato can do it why can't tobirama he has better chakra and stamina (this would also be bad for madara because activating Susanno and other ms techs require lot of chakra stamina which Sanju outclasses uchia in)

 

[Unorthodox]

MS Madara = MS Izuna
& Tobirama 1 shotted Izuna so Madara loses.

This post makes me laughs Izuna is featless Madara is not Clones susanoo genjutsu giant katons Madara wrecks tobirama ill proceed down low.

2- He loses if tobirama gets edo tensei explosion. He would use gojo to outlast susano faster or even take it out (depends on what stage it is) and when susano is out he finishes it with Hirashin like he did to Izuna.

1 Madara is never getting caught with some phucking Gojo especially if since he knows what it is Tobirama hits a bushin feint with Gojo and waste his chakra furthermore Madara wearing a ribcage susanoo with his alive speed feats can easily shunshin out of the aoe before it gets to big. Madara is never getting caught with hirashin he's knows tobirama fighting style to well he can outlast tobirama due to his reserves being on par with Hashirama's and having a ribcage susanoo and using his giant katons he easily boils tobirama.

Minato outlasts his susano and then kills him. Tough he doesn't have Gojo to take susano out, he's fast enough to keep dodging it until madara can't keep it up, since we already know how MS sucks up the user.

No Minato is not outlasting shit Sasuke and Itachi reserves pale in comparison to Madara's in they can go full battles with MS Madara having ms does not change his chakra levels he would easily outlast Minato. Minato FTG range is bypass with juubi size katon used by clones aswell Minato gets roasted.

Madara has no counter for CT, he loses. Inb4 someone says CT is not happening, Animal path to keep him bussy and then throw the orb, GG. Madara is not taking out cerberus with just a v3 susano before that happens.

Madara does have no answer to CT cannot refute that However he shits on animal path katons roast the dogs,birds,and any other summonings throwing his susanoo blade and Magatamas would wreck the rest.

Kisame and Itachi would win. Madara's susano gets absorbed by Kisame's GSB (which absorbs chakra, and susano is a chakra cloak) and that's probably a one shot, but if madara survives that, Itachi burns him with amaterasu. Itachi is there to free kisame from any genjutsu.

GSB is dodged and once it is GG Kisame because Itachi's katon made Shark skin scream and cower Madara's katon kills it roasted Kisame and drying up water done like a rain puddle in Arizona. Amaterasu gets absorb like it was in canon

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Itachi cannot outlast Madara and once his susanoo drops a He is blitz to death.

The raikages would outlast him. The 3rd tanks anything Madara has, and the 4th simply dodges it. Ay's sunshin in v1 alone is almost the same madara has, and his speed in v2 far surpases it. Both of the raikages have biju level chakra reserves, and once Madara's susano is out, he gets slaughtered. Genjutsu is not happening (inb4 someone brings the scan of madara using it on Ay, that only happened because tsunade distracted him and he lowered his guard)

Madara wins this one aswell His chakra levels are on par with both of they'res he already reacted to a v1 shunshin from the 4th raikage

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Edo Madara is visibly slower than Alive Madara Hashirama already pointed that out and with MS he has no problem reacting even to V2 A once ay is grabbed via susanoo hand Madara using ribcage with the help of a bushin absorbs his ration then he is splattered like danzo or gets Magatama's to the face killing him. 3rd raikage is negged He is dodged effortlessly as Madara blitz Naruto who dodged the 3rd absorbing nukite followed by v4 susanoo smashing him or genjutsu to put him down.

Madara low difficulty
Tobirama low diffs Suiton>Jubi Katon, not to mention he's much faster & can close this 65 meter gap quicker than Maddy can & end it with HiraishinGiri

The bold is the dumbest thing i ever heard Tobirama suiton pales Incomparison to Kisame's who suiton pales incomparison to Madara's katon Tobirama suiton gets negged. Him trying to blitz Madara he runs into a ribcage susanoo or a juubi size katon. the rest is already addressed on how tobirama loses.


He's not beating SM Naruto so he's not winning here.[/QUOTE]

I second this it was stated that madara and his bro were very close in strength tobirama defeated him with ftg alone (and perhaps some water techs )
Adds Edo tensi infinite bomb explosion he should be enough
And can't tobirama just teleport his Susanno away ?
I mean if minato can do it why can't tobirama he has better chakra and stamina (this would also be bad for madara because activating Susanno and other ms techs require lot of chakra stamina which Sanju outclasses uchia in)

Already addressed how he defeats tobirama. Madara stamina or chakra reserves > Tobirama even if we give him the MS strain Itachi and Sasuke can go longevity battles without MS dying out and Madara chakra levels stomp theres so him loses due to ms is false senju outclasses Uchiha in chakra or stamina is a lie Madara and Hashirama both we're on they're last leg in the VOTE battle meaning his chakra is near Hashirama
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[Chaosmark101]

This post makes me laughs Izuna is featless Madara is not Clones susanoo genjutsu giant katons Madara wrecks tobirama ill proceed down low.

Well guess what Unorthodox. MS Madara is featless too. At least we know Izuna had Kagutsuchi & most likely amaterasu while Madz just had the Ability to see throught clones & susanoo 1-4. I'm only going to address the parts you quoted of me.

The bold is the dumbest thing i ever heard Tobirama suiton pales Incomparison to Kisame's who suiton pales incomparison to Madara's katon Tobirama suiton gets negged. Him trying to blitz Madara he runs into a ribcage susanoo or a juubi size katon. the rest is already addressed on how tobirama loses.

Suiton>Jubi katon was obviously a joke sorry you missed that, & No MS Madara is not beating Tobirama.
- Can't react to Hirashin which is instant, while Susanoo is not instant. We've already seen a superior MS user (Obito) with a superior dojutsu (Kamui) fight FTG & fail. Tobirama takes this guy out low diff.

And no :lol your proof doesn't work when you give the guy EMS Madara, Edo Madara, & Alive Madara feats. MS Madara would have to be at MS Sasukes level/MS Itachi's (without spirit weapons). Nothing more nothing less

Already addressed how he defeats tobirama. Madara stamina or chakra reserves > Tobirama even if we give him the MS strain Itachi and Sasuke can go longevity battles without MS dying out and Madara chakra levels stomp theres so him loses due to ms is false senju outclasses Uchiha in chakra or stamina is a lie Madara and Hashirama both we're on they're last leg in the VOTE battle meaning his chakra is near Hashirama
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Again your using EMS Madara when your OP clearly states MS Madara.
EMS Madara has less drawbacks & greater chakra.
What does MS Madara have?
-More strenuous MS techniques
-Blindness from abusing the mangekyo
-pain from using Susanoo
-precog that can predict V1 Ay
-Ribcage to Final Susanoo.
^ That's not enough :|

 

[Unorthodox]

Well guess what Unorthodox. MS Madara is featless too. At least we know Izuna had Kagutsuchi & most likely amaterasu while Madz just had the Ability to see throught clones & susanoo 1-4. I'm only going to address the parts you quoted of me.

MS Madara is featless to the point that that very version of him did nothing, but collecting the feats he shown that he should have had during his ms tenure we can use these to support Ms Madara feat wise. Susanoo is much more suited to fight Tobirama then Amaterasu or enton that point was null but ill see what you can try to come up with.

-Can't react to Hirashin which is instant, while Susanoo is not instant. We've already seen a superior MS user (Obito) with a superior dojutsu (Kamui) fight FTG & fail. Tobirama takes this guy out low diff.

Does not need to react to Hiraishin when Tobirama himself is not instant. Itachi whipped on Susanoo while Kirin was in movement and kirin is raw lighting meaning its strikes a 1/1000 of a second far faster then Tobirama can strike so Madara susanoo does not need to be instant to block Hiraishin. Also why would Madara let Tobirama get that close to where he could use Hiraishin to blitz him? Answer is he's not so that scenario need to be thrown out the window. Using Obito as an example is piss poor Obito was a 15 year old child at the time Madara reaction time is much faster than adult Obito let alone 15 year old Obito. Who had no susanoo to protect him from Minato attack, Guess what Madara has a giant katon to roast tobirama if he tries to stay close or keep his range and with clones the katon becomes more dangerous for close combat.

And no :lol your proof doesn't work when you give the guy EMS Madara, Edo Madara, & Alive Madara feats. MS Madara would have to be at MS Sasukes level/MS Itachi's (without spirit weapons). Nothing more nothing less

Yes i gave him alive Madara feats why because MS Madara is alive Madara, Which we saw him blitz Naruto Naruto with no eyes add MS and its a certain blitz and by feats that's what i gave him adding gunbai Susanoo (At Mangekyou sharingan level) that's logical. Nope Madara is well above MS sasuke & Itachi why because his 3 tomoe form would murk them and a battle give the latter MS same happens Madara absorbs Amaterasu & Susanoo then proceeds to destroy the latter.

Again your using EMS Madara when your OP clearly states MS Madara.
greater chakra.
What does MS Madara have?
-More strenuous MS techniques
-Blindness from abusing the mangekyo
-pain from using Susanoo
-precog that can predict V1 Ay
-Ribcage to Final Susanoo.
^ That's not enough :|

Based off what does he has greater chakra when he got his EMS? He's not going blind after 1 fight especially when it took Sasuke 5 fights to go blind while he did not get full rest in between 2 of those fights so blindness is not happening here. Pain from using susanoo is not going to be enough to slow him down especially when he has greater stamina and chakra reserves then Itachi & Sasuke. 1 Fought a full battle while dying of a disease and not having great chakra reserves anyway while using Tsukuyomi,Amaterasu multiple times, Getting his V3 or v4 susanoo destroys to whip it out again. Madara has no disease is known for his large chakra reserves is not tired out simple due to MS over use in one battle.

His pre-cog is better than that he already reacted

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this is all with a fake rinnegan which has no pre-cog abilities at all and giving the fact that Alive Madara is faster and has better reactions then his edo counterpart he has no problem reacted to that speed and dodging with ease. Ricage susanoo is enough when facing someone he cannot destroy added Bushin and juubi size katon Tobirama simple gets burnt.

 

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This post makes me laughs Izuna is featless Madara is not Clones susanoo genjutsu giant katons Madara wrecks tobirama ill proceed down low.



1 Madara is never getting caught with some phucking Gojo especially if since he knows what it is Tobirama hits a bushin feint with Gojo and waste his chakra furthermore Madara wearing a ribcage susanoo with his alive speed feats can easily shunshin out of the aoe before it gets to big. Madara is never getting caught with hirashin he's knows tobirama fighting style to well he can outlast tobirama due to his reserves being on par with Hashirama's and having a ribcage susanoo and using his giant katons he easily boils tobirama.



No Minato is not outlasting shit Sasuke and Itachi reserves pale in comparison to Madara's in they can go full battles with MS Madara having ms does not change his chakra levels he would easily outlast Minato. Minato FTG range is bypass with juubi size katon used by clones aswell Minato gets roasted.




Madara does have no answer to CT cannot refute that However he shits on animal path katons roast the dogs,birds,and any other summonings throwing his susanoo blade and Magatamas would wreck the rest.




GSB is dodged and once it is GG Kisame because Itachi's katon made Shark skin scream and cower Madara's katon kills it roasted Kisame and drying up water done like a rain puddle in Arizona. Amaterasu gets absorb like it was in canon

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Itachi cannot outlast Madara and once his susanoo drops a He is blitz to death.



Madara wins this one aswell His chakra levels are on par with both of they'res he already reacted to a v1 shunshin from the 4th raikage

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Edo Madara is visibly slower than Alive Madara Hashirama already pointed that out and with MS he has no problem reacting even to V2 A once ay is grabbed via susanoo hand Madara using ribcage with the help of a bushin absorbs his ration then he is splattered like danzo or gets Magatama's to the face killing him. 3rd raikage is negged He is dodged effortlessly as Madara blitz Naruto who dodged the 3rd absorbing nukite followed by v4 susanoo smashing him or genjutsu to put him down.





The bold is the dumbest thing i ever heard Tobirama suiton pales Incomparison to Kisame's who suiton pales incomparison to Madara's katon Tobirama suiton gets negged. Him trying to blitz Madara he runs into a ribcage susanoo or a juubi size katon. the rest is already addressed on how tobirama loses.


He's not beating SM Naruto so he's not winning here.

Already addressed how he defeats tobirama. Madara stamina or chakra reserves > Tobirama even if we give him the MS strain Itachi and Sasuke can go longevity battles without MS dying out and Madara chakra levels stomp theres so him loses due to ms is false senju outclasses Uchiha in chakra or stamina is a lie Madara and Hashirama both we're on they're last leg in the VOTE battle meaning his chakra is near Hashirama
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1- Madara is getting caught in gojo in fact, not even Juubito escaped it. He only tanked it due to his durability. On top of that, madara doesn't have a valid way to actually damage Tobirama. His giant katon only works on his front, while Tobirama could FTG to his back.
Madara wearing a ribcage Susano is death for him, since he needs a higher level of susano to tank Gojo, and that would suck his chakra reserves faster. Tobirama can mark his edos with FTG and teleport then near to Madara at any time, so he's not dodging it, since Tobirama can teleport them right when they are about to explode.

He has no chance here.

2- Minato teleports any giant katon right back to Madara's face. Or he could just teleport to madara's back. Madara has no way of touching Minato, and is finally outlasted. It was never implied Madara kept up with Hashirama just using susano, since that would be impossible, MS users don't have stamina problems when using susano, they have pain and start losing their vision, Madara having high chakra reserves is not useful if after a while of using susano he starts going blind and feeling pain.

3- Irrelevant if he shits on animal path, they are just there as a distraction. Once the orb for CT is ready he gets stomped.

4- Madara is not dodging GSB if its from close range. And given the lack of knowledge, he would try to tank it with susano, meaning a one shot for him, since GSB absorbs the susano and gros even bigger, killing Madara. If full knowledge was displayed then yes madara could dodge it, but there isn't, so madara would try to tank it since he'd think its just a normal water jutsu.

5- Madara kept up with V1 Ay having rinnegan pre-cog. V2 Ay already showed MS can't keep up with his speed. So madara won't be able to follow Ay, while the 3rd raikage tanks everything Madara has. Ay + sandaime 's chakra reserves> Madara's. Madara gets outlasted. Giant katon is dodged or tanked.

 

[KidGamer65]

MS Madara? Having reserves on par with Hashirama? Stupidest thing I've heard today.

1. Sasuke's stamina jumped when he got EMS. So did his speed due to the buff in chakra strength. So why are you (unorthodox) giving Blind Madara speed feats to MS Madara? Why are you giving EMS Madara chakra feats to MS Madara?

2. Even w/ EMS, Madara obviously has nowhere near the chakra amount that Hashirama possesses. Hashirama used far more chakra than him at VoTE since he had Kurama on his side, which is where most of his attacks came from.

 

[Nate Standfield]

Madara stops at Kcm Naruto

 

[Oblivionx]

stops at tobirama... madara and izuna were equally strong, madara might have a lil edge but tobirama killed izuna... so at max ms madara is <= tobirama... and minato is a bit stronger...

 

[Gold Lightning]

1- Madara is getting caught in gojo in fact, not even Juubito escaped it. He only tanked it due to his durability. On top of that, madara doesn't have a valid way to actually damage Tobirama. His giant katon only works on his front, while Tobirama could FTG to his back.
Madara wearing a ribcage Susano is death for him, since he needs a higher level of susano to tank Gojo, and that would suck his chakra reserves faster. Tobirama can mark his edos with FTG and teleport then near to Madara at any time, so he's not dodging it, since Tobirama can teleport them right when they are about to explode.

Hashirama is the one who restrained juubito in order to stop him from getting moving. As we already saw horuzen escape gojo on foot. Just saying

Not to mention that you fail to acknowledge the risk the jutsu posses to Tobirama as well.

 

[Chaosmark101]

Madara does not need to react to Hiraishin when Tobirama himself is not instant. Itachi whipped on Susanoo while Kirin was in movement and kirin is raw lighting meaning its strikes a 1/1000 of a second far faster then Tobirama can strike so Madara susanoo does not need to be instant to block Hiraishin.

This is simple, first & foremost Madara /=\ Itachi.

Your doing it again, granting Madara feats he's never shown, from someone who isn't even a transmigrant of Indra no less. Plus we can assume Itachi

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Now back to Madara. Kishi already showed us a battle with a much stronger

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,. Despite his intel of 2 FTG users on the battlefield he still chose not to use Susanoo, & Had he not have been using Hashi's Sage Mode he wouldn't have perceived Tobirama appearing directly behind him. Which means Tobirama would have taken him out.

Also please let's not forget that

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Also why would Madara let Tobirama get that close to where he could use Hiraishin to blitz him? Answer is he's not so that scenario need to be thrown out the window. Using Obito as an example is piss poor Obito was a 15 year old child at the time Madara reaction time is much faster than adult Obito let alone 15 year old Obito. Who had no susanoo to protect him from Minato attack, Guess what Madara has a giant katon to roast tobirama if he tries to stay close or keep his range and with clones the katon becomes more dangerous for close combat.

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Madara didn't even know Tobirama was attempting to blitz him

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Note that Tobirama did that while he was at least 70-100 meters away, & still got behind him atop the Mazo.

And even if he had a Ribcage up like your saying, Tobirama is not completely screwed. He can appear behind him, & either.
- Fire Suiton:Suidanha to

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. It can be fired in no time at all too (

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-Tobirama can shoot

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, which did moderate damage to Old Hiruzen's

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- He can Touch Madara's Susanoo use

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to a KB's location, Then the clone blows himself & Madara up with

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Yes i gave him alive Madara feats why because MS Madara is alive Madara, Which we saw him blitz Naruto Naruto with no eyes add MS and its a certain blitz and by feats that's what i gave him adding gunbai Susanoo (At Mangekyou sharingan level) that's logical. Nope Madara is well above MS sasuke & Itachi why because his 3 tomoe form would murk them and a battle give the latter MS same happens Madara absorbs Amaterasu & Susanoo then proceeds to destroy the latter.

Nope once again revived Madara was brought back beyond his prime, boosted by Hashiroids no less. & The only things hey May be superior in compared to MS Sasuke & MS Itachi are most likely chakra reserves and maybe CQC with his Guunbai. And that's debatable though. Raiton blade of Kusangi or Totsuka is hard to beat. Also @ underline Madara showed no ability to absorb ninjutsu before obtaining Rinnegan, so that point is null.

Based off what does he has greater chakra when he got his EMS? He's not going blind after 1 fight especially when it took Sasuke 5 fights to go blind while he did not get full rest in between 2 of those fights so blindness is not happening here. Pain from using susanoo is not going to be enough to slow him down especially when he has greater stamina and chakra reserves then Itachi & Sasuke. 1 Fought a full battle while dying of a disease and not having great chakra reserves anyway while using Tsukuyomi,Amaterasu multiple times, Getting his V3 or v4 susanoo destroys to whip it out again. Madara has no disease is known for his large chakra reserves is not tired out simple due to MS over use in one battle.

Based off feats alone it shouldn't take a genius to know MS Sasuke had less stamina & less chakra then his EMS self.
MS Sasuke got tired from facing the raikage & Gaara, then was restored by white Zetsu, while EMS Sasuke fought against White Zetsu, SM Kabuto, & then the Juubi, JJ Obito before gaining chakra & showed far less exhaustion.

Obviously he isn't going blind either as he had MS awhile I was merely stating the drawbacks of MS.

His pre-cog is better than that he already reacted

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and Managed

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this is all with a fake rinnegan which has no pre-cog abilities at all and giving the fact that Alive Madara is faster and has better reactions then his edo counterpart he has no problem reacted to that speed and dodging with ease. Ricage susanoo is enough when facing someone he cannot destroy added Bushin and juubi size katon Tobirama simple gets burnt.

Actually addressed above that Tobirama Can bust through Ribcage Susanoo & most likely V2 as well.
Also the Rinnegan being the Natural evolution of the Sharingan leads me to believe Madara kept his Sharingan EMS precognition.

Katons aren't doing jack to Tobirama as he can shunshin away (he was canonically the fastest of his time)
-FTG away
- create a

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Which will be much stronger since he'd be Alive & at full power.

Not to mention Tobirama was able to place

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. Madara won't be much trouble at all.

 

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Hashirama is the one who restrained juubito in order to stop him from getting moving. As we already saw horuzen escape gojo on foot. Just saying

Not to mention that you fail to acknowledge the risk the jutsu posses to Tobirama as well.

Hiruzen jumped before the jutsu started.

And what risk? If tobirama teleports the explosives next to Madara there's absolutely no risk for him. Unless he's stupid enough to perform that jutsu while he's close to Madara.