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Ghost in a shell is such a hater i want to smack him in a debate
Hebi Sasuke vs Mei Terumi
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This misconception about how Mei supposedly countered Madara's Katon which he used against those Shinbobis when he fought Naruto, Gaara and Onoki? That according to the VIZ is called "Majestic Destroyer Flame"
Then the one Mei encountered was this "Majestic Demolisher Flames"
These 2 technique are different and one clearly has a much smaller range in respect to the other when you look at Tsunade in comparison and the other Shinobis in comparison.
I didn't find the Datebook description but if you check this, you can look at the Viz name of these 2 technique to see they are actually different as it notes by the side and the bottom notes they have different pages in the DB. 1 is more focused which is the one that was used against Tsunade as I showed earlier. You have the 2 here for a check:
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So no, Mei never had that feat you most people hand to her.
- Sasuke can see and read her attacks beforehand and attack otherwise. Said this in my first post already and already showed you an actual scan of this scenario occurring. That gives him an edge to attack her beforehand forcing her or to defend himself beforehand(Itachi/Kabuto scenario I showed). Either with Sharp spear or with this
Then there's the fact that this technique defensive technique does nothing to Sasuke and he can even heal faster from it and any little damage Mei throws
Then there's the fact that I showed Sasuke matching and preventing Itachi from using his hand seals
Preventing by having to summon as you can read the SFX indicating he could summon and prevent Itachi. This shows his ability to react to Mei with a Jutsu of his own if needed in any scenario or even a summoning
Here's is Sasuke matching Itachi's hand seal speed
I don't know what sort of excuse you're using but Feat is Feat. You can't say because Itachi didn't want to kill him, that would lead him to reduce his execution speed.
Sasuke could summon fast enough to prevent Itachi from summoning..He can easily summon Manda at the start which would lead him standing on its head. Like this:
Then there's the fact that Mei would anger Manda by attacking him(Since she has NO INTEL in regards to Manda's cooperation with Sasuke) but then again, there's 0 need for that since Manda looks to see who summons which is an instant Genjutsu:
Even still, Sasuke can summon Manda right in front of him to take a huge portion of that attack...When summoning Manda, He can summon him in a way where he'll have Manda facing him:
It's common sense that you kill who's attacking you first before going on to the one who summoned you..Then again Manda can even cooperate then ask for something stupid afterwards:
I read you excuse for Why Sasuke can't put Manda in a Genjutsu for long....Ridiculous to read. Telling me Sasuke most likely didn't deactivate the Genjutsu used on Manda because he was in his mouth? Plus the fact that Sasuke was weakened..Either way it makes 0 sense that Sasuke can only inflict Genjutsu for such a short period. Plus the fact that you've not shown any evidence as to why the Genjutsu used on Manda shouldn't have been deactivated since there was no use for Manda anymore. The position you are doesn't determine if you can deactivate the Genjusu or not.
- Your arguments for someone with Manga intel? You're serious? Despite Chiyo battling an Uchiha in the past as she said, she was still surprised:
Had to be told it was a vision type Genjutsu
- I agree with you 50% on this but at the same time I'm not sure since Sasuke does meet the demand:
Though I'd still say I'm unsure but it's still a huge possibility since he has the Element and nothing stops him since Kakashi already showed he was capable of copying that Water Dragon. Then again, there's other counters such as Katon which Sasuke can use to counter this. Not a massive factor when it can't damage Sasuke let alone Manda..However Sasuke can match this with his Katon still.
Sasuke can go on and off CM2...Exactly how he used it against Deidara is how he uses it against Mei. She'll be killed faster and requires less trouble to since her firepower put before Deidara doesn't do a thing to Sasuke and his Summon...The only time Sasuke requires flight is most likely against the Acid Mist. Any other is completely Minor.
How about No...This doesn't show Mei's Justu execution speed like you're saying. Why? Because like I already told you, Mei was already spitting out Lava before and you can see the hand seal for it
There was already Lava behind Madara..Your scan doesn't prove the Lava Madara fell on wasn't as much.:
Mei spitting the Lava was pictured wrongly from what I saw..This is what happened:
- What happened in the Pink box led to what happened in the Pink arrow..That's Mei spitting that.
- What happened in the Blue arrow was as a result of Madara's fall. There's no way Madara fall would lead to what happened in the Pink arrow.
Pretty sure the anime pictured this out well. Either way I'm sure I'm correct here and this has not much relevance to the actual topic.
You and your responses though..He didn't means he can't? Is this guy trying to be serious? You tell me why he didn't? Lmao read first..He tells her not to interfere, he could have done the Genjutsu right there but she was told first. There's the fact that Mei was never his aim...Killing Mei here would have been perfect chance to completely get her out of the way, yet he didn't "I wonder why"
Then I can laugh at your logic and say Sasuke could have put Mifune in a Genjutsu here
Sasuke could have put Danzo in a Genjutsu here to make things easier for him
Alright kid let's stop with the terrible reasoning.
1. Sasuke already evaded that technique physically from his blindspot:
Let's follow this logic for a bit and we'll have the fact that Tsuande is faster than Ay.
2. Madara despite being distracted had to physically raise up his hand to block Ay(1.
3. Akatsuchi who's not as fast could react to that technique.
Mei tells them to leave if they aren't getting involved (Akatsuchi is behind Onoki)
Mei spits it out and his able to react as shown by the blue arrow..Notice the most important thing is in the next Panel, Sasuke was actually not hit with the Lava yet but Akatsuchi who was around there could already move out before the Lava could hit Sasuke.
Akatsuchi is not as fast so Sasuke easily reacts.
4. Karin evaded it so stop lying to yourself pal..She was next to Sasuke and was within range:
Nothing more to say here
Irrelevant..Completely but let me make this clear because this doesn't hold any ground here. Sasuke evaded
Deidara's Clay Bomb from above and also managed to also evade the other from below.
Sasuke evaded this:
He can be seen here after Deidara says "Damn he's fast" (That was Sasuke in his BASE)..He then steps on the Mine from underneath as I've shown with the Blue arrow.
Those Mines were created by Tobi but Deidara notes that Sasuke evaded it because he sees no damage. "He must have evaded it by flying upwards". That's a feat...Sasuke switched to CM2 and quickly flew to evade this Range:
Deidara confirms he evaded it:
Case closed...Sasuke didn't evade the other one because he tried to guard himself or because the explosion was far too much for him to evade. You're comparing a much bigger explosion to anything Mei can offer? .
You're going to disregard Manga evidence? Talk to yourself about that not me. Can't be bothered to waste my time on this. Deidara says here, "You think you can pull off another escape" :
Manga has spoken..I'm not arguing this.
- This Katon/Mist talk with you..No one in the entire Manga has used Katon to counter the Hidden Mist while inside it but you're here arguing Sasuke is going to do so which would be his downfall because he'll inhale the Acid Mist due to thinking it's the Hidden Mist? Argue this with someone else.
If you really want to force me to use Katon as a counter to the Acid Mist then fine...Sasuke can use it as soon as she spit it out before it spreads. He doesn't know about the Acid but he'll wan to prevent what he thinks is coming which is the Hidden Mist...Sasuke won't be waiting due to encountering it before so he'll either fly up as soon as he sees her releasing it out from her mouth or he'll use a Katon to counter before it spreads. The distance between them is not going to enable to Mist to spread to Sasuke that fast...Not happening with his speed. Not even close.
- So we're still arguing about how the Lava style is going to finish Manda off before he sheds his skin...? We're arguing about how Mei can spit out Lava the size of Manda which would require her to spit it out for a while leading to a counter from Sasuke:
- Once again, the Acid Mist isn't doing major damage to Manda before he goes underground or before Sasuke unsummons it out of there..I already countered the Acid Mist.
- Mei has no counter to Genjutsu with only Manga intel on Sasuke. Not being hit by Madara's clone isn't evidence. Get that joke out of here. Susan already dealt with them and it was never used on her so we don't know how she'll fair against it.
- Sasuke has various counters to the Water Pillar which is the main root of your argument..I showed you already.
- Acid Mist is evaded or countered before it spreads...Manga shows Sasuke evading the Lava from his blindspot.
Nothing left to be said asides the fact that Mei loses.
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Then the one Mei encountered was this "Majestic Demolisher Flames"
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These 2 technique are different and one clearly has a much smaller range in respect to the other when you look at Tsunade in comparison and the other Shinobis in comparison.
I didn't find the Datebook description but if you check this, you can look at the Viz name of these 2 technique to see they are actually different as it notes by the side and the bottom notes they have different pages in the DB. 1 is more focused which is the one that was used against Tsunade as I showed earlier. You have the 2 here for a check:
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So no, Mei never had that feat you most people hand to her.
- Sasuke can see and read her attacks beforehand and attack otherwise. Said this in my first post already and already showed you an actual scan of this scenario occurring. That gives him an edge to attack her beforehand forcing her or to defend himself beforehand(Itachi/Kabuto scenario I showed). Either with Sharp spear or with this
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..Enough with this talk about how he has to focus Chakra on his feet first and how he was already doing so before he encountered Deidara or whatever. Mei also needs to Knead chakra before she does so and focusing chakra on your feet isn't an issue. You have no evidence that Mei from 35M can even have her technique erupt from underneath the area Sasuke stands when she never showed in the Manga she could from release it from that far out...She was already close to Madara when she used that technique. There's also the fact that Sasuke speed may be able to outrun the attack since it comes from underneath. He runs straight at Mei and if he's moving at Mei it would be hard to actually catch him with that considering his speed and the fact that he won't be in one constant position while moving.Then there's the fact that this technique defensive technique does nothing to Sasuke and he can even heal faster from it and any little damage Mei throws
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and the fact that he can block with his CM2 wings.Then there's the fact that I showed Sasuke matching and preventing Itachi from using his hand seals
Preventing by having to summon as you can read the SFX indicating he could summon and prevent Itachi. This shows his ability to react to Mei with a Jutsu of his own if needed in any scenario or even a summoning
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Here's is Sasuke matching Itachi's hand seal speed
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I don't know what sort of excuse you're using but Feat is Feat. You can't say because Itachi didn't want to kill him, that would lead him to reduce his execution speed.
Sasuke could summon fast enough to prevent Itachi from summoning..He can easily summon Manda at the start which would lead him standing on its head. Like this:
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That alone ridicules that Water Pillar from Underneath.Then there's the fact that Mei would anger Manda by attacking him(Since she has NO INTEL in regards to Manda's cooperation with Sasuke) but then again, there's 0 need for that since Manda looks to see who summons which is an instant Genjutsu:
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Even still, Sasuke can summon Manda right in front of him to take a huge portion of that attack...When summoning Manda, He can summon him in a way where he'll have Manda facing him:
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. Genjutsu easily...Not to mention you should question how Sasuke summoned Manda and put him in a Genjutsu within this short time
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It's common sense that you kill who's attacking you first before going on to the one who summoned you..Then again Manda can even cooperate then ask for something stupid afterwards:
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I read you excuse for Why Sasuke can't put Manda in a Genjutsu for long....Ridiculous to read. Telling me Sasuke most likely didn't deactivate the Genjutsu used on Manda because he was in his mouth? Plus the fact that Sasuke was weakened..Either way it makes 0 sense that Sasuke can only inflict Genjutsu for such a short period. Plus the fact that you've not shown any evidence as to why the Genjutsu used on Manda shouldn't have been deactivated since there was no use for Manda anymore. The position you are doesn't determine if you can deactivate the Genjusu or not.
- Your arguments for someone with Manga intel? You're serious? Despite Chiyo battling an Uchiha in the past as she said, she was still surprised:
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Had to be told it was a vision type Genjutsu
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..Mei being able to combat a Genjutsu fighter who matched Itachi to an extent? Kakashi had knowledge, was caught. Orochimaru did and was still caught. Enough of this excuses..Feats? No. Mei gets oneshotted till I see proof of her experience especially with very little intel on something she hasn't been faced with before. Madara's clone not hitting her with it shouldn't be your proof when Susanoo was manhandling her already. Sasuke could catch Deidara from this far out
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and you can see this guy's speed.- I agree with you 50% on this but at the same time I'm not sure since Sasuke does meet the demand:
Though I'd still say I'm unsure but it's still a huge possibility since he has the Element and nothing stops him since Kakashi already showed he was capable of copying that Water Dragon. Then again, there's other counters such as Katon which Sasuke can use to counter this. Not a massive factor when it can't damage Sasuke let alone Manda..However Sasuke can match this with his Katon still.
Sasuke can go on and off CM2...Exactly how he used it against Deidara is how he uses it against Mei. She'll be killed faster and requires less trouble to since her firepower put before Deidara doesn't do a thing to Sasuke and his Summon...The only time Sasuke requires flight is most likely against the Acid Mist. Any other is completely Minor.
How about No...This doesn't show Mei's Justu execution speed like you're saying. Why? Because like I already told you, Mei was already spitting out Lava before and you can see the hand seal for it
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There was already Lava behind Madara..Your scan doesn't prove the Lava Madara fell on wasn't as much.:
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Mei spitting the Lava was pictured wrongly from what I saw..This is what happened:
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- What happened in the Pink box led to what happened in the Pink arrow..That's Mei spitting that.
- What happened in the Blue arrow was as a result of Madara's fall. There's no way Madara fall would lead to what happened in the Pink arrow.
Pretty sure the anime pictured this out well. Either way I'm sure I'm correct here and this has not much relevance to the actual topic.
You and your responses though..He didn't means he can't? Is this guy trying to be serious? You tell me why he didn't? Lmao read first..He tells her not to interfere, he could have done the Genjutsu right there but she was told first. There's the fact that Mei was never his aim...Killing Mei here would have been perfect chance to completely get her out of the way, yet he didn't "I wonder why"
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SMH @ this point.Then I can laugh at your logic and say Sasuke could have put Mifune in a Genjutsu here
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but he didn't and Mifune had no experience of any sort.Sasuke could have put Danzo in a Genjutsu here to make things easier for him
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Alright kid let's stop with the terrible reasoning.
1. Sasuke already evaded that technique physically from his blindspot:
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Let's follow this logic for a bit and we'll have the fact that Tsuande is faster than Ay.
2. Madara despite being distracted had to physically raise up his hand to block Ay(1.
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) Physical Reaction but he had to Manifest his Ribcage to block Tsunade
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. Though Madara never encountered V2 Ay, he still said Ay is faster than Tsunade but resorted to using Susanoo to block rather than physically evading her or blocking despite having no knowledge in regards to her strength till his Ribcage was damaged.3. Akatsuchi who's not as fast could react to that technique.
Mei tells them to leave if they aren't getting involved (Akatsuchi is behind Onoki)
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Mei spits it out and his able to react as shown by the blue arrow..Notice the most important thing is in the next Panel, Sasuke was actually not hit with the Lava yet but Akatsuchi who was around there could already move out before the Lava could hit Sasuke.
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Akatsuchi is not as fast so Sasuke easily reacts.
4. Karin evaded it so stop lying to yourself pal..She was next to Sasuke and was within range:
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Nothing more to say here
Irrelevant..Completely but let me make this clear because this doesn't hold any ground here. Sasuke evaded
Deidara's Clay Bomb from above and also managed to also evade the other from below.
Sasuke evaded this:
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He can be seen here after Deidara says "Damn he's fast" (That was Sasuke in his BASE)..He then steps on the Mine from underneath as I've shown with the Blue arrow.
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Those Mines were created by Tobi but Deidara notes that Sasuke evaded it because he sees no damage. "He must have evaded it by flying upwards". That's a feat...Sasuke switched to CM2 and quickly flew to evade this Range:
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Deidara confirms he evaded it:
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Case closed...Sasuke didn't evade the other one because he tried to guard himself or because the explosion was far too much for him to evade. You're comparing a much bigger explosion to anything Mei can offer? .
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Even so, Sasuke still physically reacted by guarding himself with his wings despite planning Deidara's downfall as seen in the bottom. Don't bring that in Mei's caseYou're going to disregard Manga evidence? Talk to yourself about that not me. Can't be bothered to waste my time on this. Deidara says here, "You think you can pull off another escape" :
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Manga has spoken..I'm not arguing this.
- This Katon/Mist talk with you..No one in the entire Manga has used Katon to counter the Hidden Mist while inside it but you're here arguing Sasuke is going to do so which would be his downfall because he'll inhale the Acid Mist due to thinking it's the Hidden Mist? Argue this with someone else.
If you really want to force me to use Katon as a counter to the Acid Mist then fine...Sasuke can use it as soon as she spit it out before it spreads. He doesn't know about the Acid but he'll wan to prevent what he thinks is coming which is the Hidden Mist...Sasuke won't be waiting due to encountering it before so he'll either fly up as soon as he sees her releasing it out from her mouth or he'll use a Katon to counter before it spreads. The distance between them is not going to enable to Mist to spread to Sasuke that fast...Not happening with his speed. Not even close.
- So we're still arguing about how the Lava style is going to finish Manda off before he sheds his skin...? We're arguing about how Mei can spit out Lava the size of Manda which would require her to spit it out for a while leading to a counter from Sasuke:
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..Plus I'm here still laughing at your attempt to downplay Manda's durability. He tanked part of C0...That puts it ahead of anything Mei throws at it.- Once again, the Acid Mist isn't doing major damage to Manda before he goes underground or before Sasuke unsummons it out of there..I already countered the Acid Mist.
- Mei has no counter to Genjutsu with only Manga intel on Sasuke. Not being hit by Madara's clone isn't evidence. Get that joke out of here. Susan already dealt with them and it was never used on her so we don't know how she'll fair against it.
- Sasuke has various counters to the Water Pillar which is the main root of your argument..I showed you already.
- Acid Mist is evaded or countered before it spreads...Manga shows Sasuke evading the Lava from his blindspot.
Nothing left to be said asides the fact that Mei loses.
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Sorry to say, but I ain't playing nice anymore, slick. Shit talk is shit talk, but when your points start to look shitter than your jabs, that's when you start to lose the ounce of credence that your argument once had.
> "I'm only responding to the relevant things" - "Most of this don't matter at all"
Don't know why we're wasting time arguing something completely irrelevant to this matchup, but whatever. Anyways look at
Nope, you showed a scan of Itachi reading Kabuto's seals and predicting the attack he was going to use. Enough of what? The fact that everyone has to charge up chakra to use shunshin? I already showed you how quickly Mei can form a seal and use her Water Pillar, pal. But I suppose that Sasuke will bunnyhop a gigantic wall of water erupted in front of him, that creates a barrier for him to traverse through, according to you. I didn't even say that it'd have to be right in front of Sasuke either, the databook says that the WP is a mid ranged technique and its AoE is massive enough to make up for any leftover distance. This is a nice strategy you got there for Sasuke running straight into the WP and getting caught within the torrent since he isn't looking at the ground in the first place. He'll also temporarily stun himself too using a lightning technique. I don't really care how much you wank that scan, but if reading one's intentions was so easy with the sharingan, then we wouldn't have seen sharingan users countered so often in the manga and it'd be the other way around. Not to mention it's literally one seal that Mei has to use, one. Give me a break with this blitz, chidori spear/katana GG argument. Sasuke isn't closing that distance and tagging Mei before she uses her WP.
The main function isn't even to attack him, but to push him back, though I hardly think that he'll be able to move freely inside the WP if he doesn't turn into CM2 first. I know how quickly he can do so but Sasuke can't anticipate the WP erupting underground due to its speed and the fact that he won't be looking at that direction. INB4 "Sasuke switched to CM2 before land mine went off", the land mine detonated and Sasuke took note of it right before it detonated since it suddenly expanded -
Mei will be fighting from mid to long range so you must be out of your damn mind if you think that summoning and throwing shuriken will stop Mei from weaving seals when he wasn't even able to detain Itachi from using multiple at close range where the shuriken would reach him faster. Not to mention that Mei needs little seals to utilise her Water Release and Boil Release.
Nope, this is just you being unreasonably stubborn to give up on this point given the fact that Itachi was trying to back him into a corner. This was made abundantly clear to anyone who was reading the manga, hope I don't have to show you scans to prove this. I already showed Itachi's full seal speed and whatever you showed was not his full seal speed, sorry to disappoint you. If Itachi really wanted to, he could have gone all out the entire time and used his full seal speed which is untraceable to 3T Kakashi and
Oh? So summoning shuriken means that Sasuke can summon Manda just as quickly? Nah... not really. Don't know why we're handing EMS Sasuke's feat to Hebi Sasuke since the former should have much better skill using ninjutsu. It's not Hebi Sasuke's style to start out with a summoning, especially given the fact that he has zero intel on Mei's capability. Or else I'm pretty sure than Manda could have helped greatly in combating Deidara but he only chose to summon it as a meat shield for a suicide technique at the end of the battle.
Mei can counter Sasuke's hand seals by using her own fast, ranged Water Release techniques. Already showed you how fast Mei's WD is and how much range it has. Before
Good points. Though Kuchiyose isn't happening at the start of the match for reasons already outlined.
This is where you ****ed up. Orochimaru has been fighting alongside Manda and has been his master for a long time and Kabuto implied that the Orochimaru has the capacity to control the volatile snake while at full power, but even then he still had problems
What's more ridiculous is how you keep on barking at me for denying manga scans when you're making excuses, and ignoring context when it's convenient for you. I already showed you the scan, I'll post it again for convenience [
Again, completely convenient for you to ignore literally all of the scans I showed you of Mei having intel on sharingan and sharingan genjutsu [
Bolded - Oh look, another shitty ass excuse from someone who's calling me out for making excuses. Part of the same hypocrisy bud, it's hilarious. Susano'o doing whatever doesn't mean shit given the fact that Mei, facing five clones all capable of using far better genjutsu than Hebi Sasuke (also counts for her experience), was never caught and that's all I need. You know why? Because another kage needed to be caught off guard to get caught inside a genjutsu. If it was that easy to solo glance one shot Mei, she would have been caught, end of story. Susano'o has nothing to do with this, nothing.
I really didn't expect this sort of stuff from you. It's not a possibility at all, period. Having the element means jack shit if he has zero skill with it, skill he hasn't displayed in canon. Having the chakra and the body means jack shit if he doesn't have skill to use the element. Let me just explain this further to you and say that Kakashi can't even copy WP despite having the element because he doesn't have the required skill necessary to use it, nor has he shown the capacity to control such large amounts of water without a source as Mei has. Skill comes before everything else.
Lmao at the bolded. Just lmao. CM2 Sasuke probably won't be hurting but base Sasuke sure as hell will though he does have healing power. Again, doesn't mean that he won't be damaged.
Ok, I'm going to rearrange the quotes a little bit and explain some things to you.
Disregard manga evidence, huh? It's just you showing your blatant disregard for what's happened on panel. Manga context includes circumstances of the event, text, and what has happened on panel. Allow me to reiterate to you that Deidara couldn't see shit through the smoke and wouldn't know for sure if he flew up because Sasuke was blocked by all of the smoke, and the first thing the former saw was the latter's wings. So his opinion is flawed to begin with. Secondly, and this is the most important part, pay good attention to what I'm about to show you. Here we see
As for the rest, Mei can tag her opponents faster than Deidara can with C2 as I said.
Even so that still proves my point that Mei spat out lava just as fast or faster than it took Madara to fall given the fact that the lava still reached that point. This is a jutsu execution feat, she could execute that technique faster or just as fast as the speed of Madara's fall. Secondly, I already said that Mei spat out lava beforehand, pal. That's irrelevant to her spitting out more lava.
It was just a side point buddy, and not my main argument, but you've pretty much told me that you're incapable of telling the difference given these responses. SMH. Thought you were only responding to the most relevant points. SMH.
The funny thing is that this is one of the shittiest parts of your post.
Yup, Sasuke sidestepped the technique which was fast enough to close that opening before he could speed out of there. Thanks for linking and explaining something I've already done both of, it saves time for me.
Ok, I'll give you this but this only invalidates my comparison, not the speed feats that I showed.
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Akatsuchi and Onoki weren't even near the lava's path [
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Again, only a side point and a possible counter should anybody bring it up like I already said, bud. @Bolded - Gee, I guess Sasuke just stops breathing inside of mist. If only I wasn't referring to the fact that he'll be breathing inside of Skilled Mist, and therefore inhale the mist. Oh wait...
You still continue to outright ignore the speed feats I posted for Boil Release and Hidden Mist and the fact that they're comparable. I also already told you why your excuse is wrong, not to mention that Skilled Mist will have already covered the area around Sasuke by the time he's done being thrashed around by Mei's Water Pillar Technique and maybe her Water Dragon Bullet to follow it up if necessary. He inhales to use katon? He breathes in acid mist and is now worse off. Much worse off.
I already showed the speed feats for Lava Release which you've refuted very shamefully/haven't refuted at all. Mei spitting out a stream of lava is faster than streaming individual lava globs or comparatively smaller streams of lava since said lava has a small opening to go through relative to the amount of lava used which will cause the technique to flow faster out of her mouth. She doesn't even need to spit that much lava out if she can get within close range to Manda as he won't be able to shed his body fast enough if she douses him from said range.
After she's doused Manda with Youton, she can use her Water Release as a means of transport and propel herself elsewhere using her techniques as I've already stated, but that part was probably irrelevant to you.
And I'm laughing at this shameful excuse of a rebuttal. I've already stated my view. Manda tanked maybe three or four seconds of C0 which left him dead, and badly scarred and burned all over his body. C0's ignition temperature isn't even close to the amount of heat lava can produce at all times. Mei's Lava Release has acidic properties which expedite in the presence of extreme heat. Her lava inflicted superficial damage on a V3 Susano'o after a couple of seconds. She's also partially melted a V3 Susano'o arm which also shows her potential range with the technique as well.
What you're telling me here is that Manda's durability is on V2-V3 Susano'o level, slick. Keep laughing though.
No, you haven't.
The only jokes are these shameful rebuttals and replies.
Not really. All you're doing is wanking that one scan which doesn't present a legitimate counter to my strategy in the first place.
I could teach you over and over about what the manga shows regarding Mei's Boil Release and Lava Release... but I suppose that all you'll do is come back with these petty excuses, and I don't have the time or patience trying to debate with someone who probably won't ever look at or consider what I've said. I never knew that you'd be so stubborn.
Nothing left to be said aside from the fact that you need to raise the level of your points; my patience is getting tested and I've grown tired of this debate and this matchup. It doesn't even seem like we'll find common ground anyway since you refuse to objectively interpret the feats that I've layed out for you, but I'm the one denying feats and making excuses. Cool story.
You won't see another response from me if you keep doing the same thing.
> "I'm only responding to the relevant things" - "Most of this don't matter at all"
Don't know why we're wasting time arguing something completely irrelevant to this matchup, but whatever. Anyways look at
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relative to
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. Pretty much the same exact height or thereabouts. Then look at the
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. Gouka Mekkyaku has a wider AoE but clearly we don't know by how much due the angle that the manga scan showed of Gouka Messhitsu from. Take that and compare it to the Water Pillar which ended up having far superior height to Gouka Messhitsu and a far, far wider AoE. What evidence do you have of the AoE on Gouka Mekkyaku used on the Kiri fodder being far, far wider than Gouka Messhitsu? I'll answer for you, none, because both techniques compared to the shinobi around them put both techniques on a similar pedestal to each other in terms of height. In terms of width? Well,
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, and the latter probably doesn't amount to half the width of Mei's WP let alone its height. So yeah, put Mei in place of the Kiri fodder and she extinguishes that rendition of Gouka Mekkyaku rather than stalemate it. Don't know where you got "much smaller" from, must have ignored the scans or something. Nope, you showed a scan of Itachi reading Kabuto's seals and predicting the attack he was going to use. Enough of what? The fact that everyone has to charge up chakra to use shunshin? I already showed you how quickly Mei can form a seal and use her Water Pillar, pal. But I suppose that Sasuke will bunnyhop a gigantic wall of water erupted in front of him, that creates a barrier for him to traverse through, according to you. I didn't even say that it'd have to be right in front of Sasuke either, the databook says that the WP is a mid ranged technique and its AoE is massive enough to make up for any leftover distance. This is a nice strategy you got there for Sasuke running straight into the WP and getting caught within the torrent since he isn't looking at the ground in the first place. He'll also temporarily stun himself too using a lightning technique. I don't really care how much you wank that scan, but if reading one's intentions was so easy with the sharingan, then we wouldn't have seen sharingan users countered so often in the manga and it'd be the other way around. Not to mention it's literally one seal that Mei has to use, one. Give me a break with this blitz, chidori spear/katana GG argument. Sasuke isn't closing that distance and tagging Mei before she uses her WP.
The main function isn't even to attack him, but to push him back, though I hardly think that he'll be able to move freely inside the WP if he doesn't turn into CM2 first. I know how quickly he can do so but Sasuke can't anticipate the WP erupting underground due to its speed and the fact that he won't be looking at that direction. INB4 "Sasuke switched to CM2 before land mine went off", the land mine detonated and Sasuke took note of it right before it detonated since it suddenly expanded -
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- under his foot. Mei will be fighting from mid to long range so you must be out of your damn mind if you think that summoning and throwing shuriken will stop Mei from weaving seals when he wasn't even able to detain Itachi from using multiple at close range where the shuriken would reach him faster. Not to mention that Mei needs little seals to utilise her Water Release and Boil Release.
Nope, this is just you being unreasonably stubborn to give up on this point given the fact that Itachi was trying to back him into a corner. This was made abundantly clear to anyone who was reading the manga, hope I don't have to show you scans to prove this. I already showed Itachi's full seal speed and whatever you showed was not his full seal speed, sorry to disappoint you. If Itachi really wanted to, he could have gone all out the entire time and used his full seal speed which is untraceable to 3T Kakashi and
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. But you can keep making excuses yourself and ignoring manga context and scans if you want, I couldn't care less. Oh? So summoning shuriken means that Sasuke can summon Manda just as quickly? Nah... not really. Don't know why we're handing EMS Sasuke's feat to Hebi Sasuke since the former should have much better skill using ninjutsu. It's not Hebi Sasuke's style to start out with a summoning, especially given the fact that he has zero intel on Mei's capability. Or else I'm pretty sure than Manda could have helped greatly in combating Deidara but he only chose to summon it as a meat shield for a suicide technique at the end of the battle.
Mei can counter Sasuke's hand seals by using her own fast, ranged Water Release techniques. Already showed you how fast Mei's WD is and how much range it has. Before
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. Then there's the fact that the databook pretty much says that Mei can control the flow of water beneath the ground so it shouldn't be hard at all for her to send water over to erupt at a further range than she has shown. She can spit water over exceedingly far distances and controlling an element outside of one's body is easier than controlling an element expelled from inside one's body. Good points. Though Kuchiyose isn't happening at the start of the match for reasons already outlined.
This is where you ****ed up. Orochimaru has been fighting alongside Manda and has been his master for a long time and Kabuto implied that the Orochimaru has the capacity to control the volatile snake while at full power, but even then he still had problems
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. Manda isn't going to be listening to someone who he'll think is a punk ass kid, so Sasuke will need genjutsu to control Manda. What's more ridiculous is how you keep on barking at me for denying manga scans when you're making excuses, and ignoring context when it's convenient for you. I already showed you the scan, I'll post it again for convenience [
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]. You think it makes zero sense for Sasuke to not be able to maintain Manda inside of a genjutsu, but the manga literally showed the tomoe fading away from his eyes. Besides, I'm referring to base Sasuke's genjutsu. CM2 Sasuke's genjutsu can control Manda for a longer period of time as I've already said. These were my main points. Again, completely convenient for you to ignore literally all of the scans I showed you of Mei having intel on sharingan and sharingan genjutsu [
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]. I don't give two shits about what Chiyo knows, because Mei already knows all that she needs to know in this regard, slick. I hope that I shouldn't have to mention to you that Deidara intentionally let himself caught inside a genjutsu.Bolded - Oh look, another shitty ass excuse from someone who's calling me out for making excuses. Part of the same hypocrisy bud, it's hilarious. Susano'o doing whatever doesn't mean shit given the fact that Mei, facing five clones all capable of using far better genjutsu than Hebi Sasuke (also counts for her experience), was never caught and that's all I need. You know why? Because another kage needed to be caught off guard to get caught inside a genjutsu. If it was that easy to solo glance one shot Mei, she would have been caught, end of story. Susano'o has nothing to do with this, nothing.
I really didn't expect this sort of stuff from you. It's not a possibility at all, period. Having the element means jack shit if he has zero skill with it, skill he hasn't displayed in canon. Having the chakra and the body means jack shit if he doesn't have skill to use the element. Let me just explain this further to you and say that Kakashi can't even copy WP despite having the element because he doesn't have the required skill necessary to use it, nor has he shown the capacity to control such large amounts of water without a source as Mei has. Skill comes before everything else.
Lmao at the bolded. Just lmao. CM2 Sasuke probably won't be hurting but base Sasuke sure as hell will though he does have healing power. Again, doesn't mean that he won't be damaged.
Ok, I'm going to rearrange the quotes a little bit and explain some things to you.
Disregard manga evidence, huh? It's just you showing your blatant disregard for what's happened on panel. Manga context includes circumstances of the event, text, and what has happened on panel. Allow me to reiterate to you that Deidara couldn't see shit through the smoke and wouldn't know for sure if he flew up because Sasuke was blocked by all of the smoke, and the first thing the former saw was the latter's wings. So his opinion is flawed to begin with. Secondly, and this is the most important part, pay good attention to what I'm about to show you. Here we see
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, then we see that
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. If Sasuke flew that range that quickly, then that wouldn't have happened. Also, if Sasuke flew that range that quickly as you're claiming, then why the **** didn't he just run circles around Deidara on his bulky ass C2 Dragon and attack him? All that smoke would have made for the perfect opportunity to attack. Then we had the fact that Deidara could later fire off C2 faster than it took Sasuke to flap his wings [
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]. That's four things going against your perfect, manga inclined evidence. Four things. Keep on telling me that I disregard manga evidence, slick. Mere text isn't gonna save you or Sasuke. I suggest that you learn about what context means in every sense of the word.As for the rest, Mei can tag her opponents faster than Deidara can with C2 as I said.
Even so that still proves my point that Mei spat out lava just as fast or faster than it took Madara to fall given the fact that the lava still reached that point. This is a jutsu execution feat, she could execute that technique faster or just as fast as the speed of Madara's fall. Secondly, I already said that Mei spat out lava beforehand, pal. That's irrelevant to her spitting out more lava.
It was just a side point buddy, and not my main argument, but you've pretty much told me that you're incapable of telling the difference given these responses. SMH. Thought you were only responding to the most relevant points. SMH.
The funny thing is that this is one of the shittiest parts of your post.
Yup, Sasuke sidestepped the technique which was fast enough to close that opening before he could speed out of there. Thanks for linking and explaining something I've already done both of, it saves time for me.
Ok, I'll give you this but this only invalidates my comparison, not the speed feats that I showed.
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Akatsuchi and Onoki weren't even near the lava's path [
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- these panels pretty much show that the lava wasn't aimed at her, and she dodged something that had already gone past her. She was in the middle of dodging while the lava already reached Sasuke who was the only the target of the technique. But of course, you're just going to conveniently ignore all of the speed feats I posted of the technique... probably just ignoring it as "irrelevant". SMH. Again, only a side point and a possible counter should anybody bring it up like I already said, bud. @Bolded - Gee, I guess Sasuke just stops breathing inside of mist. If only I wasn't referring to the fact that he'll be breathing inside of Skilled Mist, and therefore inhale the mist. Oh wait...
You still continue to outright ignore the speed feats I posted for Boil Release and Hidden Mist and the fact that they're comparable. I also already told you why your excuse is wrong, not to mention that Skilled Mist will have already covered the area around Sasuke by the time he's done being thrashed around by Mei's Water Pillar Technique and maybe her Water Dragon Bullet to follow it up if necessary. He inhales to use katon? He breathes in acid mist and is now worse off. Much worse off.
I already showed the speed feats for Lava Release which you've refuted very shamefully/haven't refuted at all. Mei spitting out a stream of lava is faster than streaming individual lava globs or comparatively smaller streams of lava since said lava has a small opening to go through relative to the amount of lava used which will cause the technique to flow faster out of her mouth. She doesn't even need to spit that much lava out if she can get within close range to Manda as he won't be able to shed his body fast enough if she douses him from said range.
After she's doused Manda with Youton, she can use her Water Release as a means of transport and propel herself elsewhere using her techniques as I've already stated, but that part was probably irrelevant to you.
And I'm laughing at this shameful excuse of a rebuttal. I've already stated my view. Manda tanked maybe three or four seconds of C0 which left him dead, and badly scarred and burned all over his body. C0's ignition temperature isn't even close to the amount of heat lava can produce at all times. Mei's Lava Release has acidic properties which expedite in the presence of extreme heat. Her lava inflicted superficial damage on a V3 Susano'o after a couple of seconds. She's also partially melted a V3 Susano'o arm which also shows her potential range with the technique as well.
What you're telling me here is that Manda's durability is on V2-V3 Susano'o level, slick. Keep laughing though.
No, you haven't.
The only jokes are these shameful rebuttals and replies.
Not really. All you're doing is wanking that one scan which doesn't present a legitimate counter to my strategy in the first place.
I could teach you over and over about what the manga shows regarding Mei's Boil Release and Lava Release... but I suppose that all you'll do is come back with these petty excuses, and I don't have the time or patience trying to debate with someone who probably won't ever look at or consider what I've said. I never knew that you'd be so stubborn.
Nothing left to be said aside from the fact that you need to raise the level of your points; my patience is getting tested and I've grown tired of this debate and this matchup. It doesn't even seem like we'll find common ground anyway since you refuse to objectively interpret the feats that I've layed out for you, but I'm the one denying feats and making excuses. Cool story.
You won't see another response from me if you keep doing the same thing.
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Oh man I haven't seen Psycho this worked up in a while. Not reading these wallies though, hellllllll to the no.
Sasuke has suiton in the databook but it isn't a canon element for him. Has like, zero skill and feats with it. Least not the last time I checked. Not sure why Evani said this because I saw him arguing against the same concept against HiddenSound when he said that Orochimaru can flow raiton chakra.
Sasuke has suiton in the databook but it isn't a canon element for him. Has like, zero skill and feats with it. Least not the last time I checked. Not sure why Evani said this because I saw him arguing against the same concept against HiddenSound when he said that Orochimaru can flow raiton chakra.
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That wasn't Hebi Sasuke, that was Rinnegan Sasuke. Hebi Sasuke is covered in databook 3 and I don't remember that databook giving Sasuke suiton.
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Ok bring it on. I have enough time for this shit now...let's go. I'm apparently harping on a strategy? You're this sensitive? Lool I fuq with this type of shit trust me.
> "I'm only responding to the relevant things" - "Most of this don't matter at all"
That was very relevant as anyone with common sense would discover that was literally the backbone of your argument...Then again, you're probably mad cuz that hype doesn't really exist again.
I only addressed your hype of this supposedly unavoidable jutsu.
You brought in this hype about the size or whatsoever and how it did this and that. I'm only proving you wrong little kid. Next time, don't bring in a topic that you think won't be relevant.
No way this dude can't be serious..You're trying hard to compare two different techniques that are evidently different in size and width? Point is Mei's WP never got rid of the Katon used against the fodders. Point is it's not as large as you hyped it. Point is your doubt of Sasuke being able to evade it was due to the fact that it was much bigger than the fodders which isn't the real case anymore.
Then there's the fact that your comparison in height is flawed when you look at the fact that your comparing both from different angles. Either way, they are both different like I showed so drop this reasoning about Sasuke (who flew and evaded Deidara's C2 in his CM2. He also used his speed in Base to evade Deidara's CM2 bomb) not being able to dodge Mei's technique who's range is nowhere near those 2 techniques.
With what? The evidence you showed? Doubt it and you have no proof except assumptions. Especially when the one Mei extinguished is smaller in comparison. Your failed comparison doesn't prove anything.
I seriously hope you're not trying to argue me saying Sasuke can read and attack her beforehand? When it outright happened in the Manga?
Yes because the bold is irrelevant..I already showed why this irrelevant when Sasuke in his base already evaded this:
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that was not too far from 5M since Sasuke could stretch his Katana close to Deidara in the middle
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. Deidara confirmed the distance and yet Sasuke could evade that.For some reason, he can't evade Mei's despite there being no proof that Mei being can release her technique from 35M away?
Read first...I already countered your strategy with different strategies. You've conceded to the Manda strategy already but as for this, you claimed Sasuke won't be able to evade it.
I only implied Sasuke evades it by running across it before it is released...Not an unrealistic strategy at all. I don't really care how much you accuse me of wanking but when she shows the capability to beat the Sharingan, then the bold would be relevant to her.
The blitz was an option due to an extension and Mei's lack of reaction...Either way, she loses this since I'm seeing you concede to different strategies already.
That's if this pillar even touches him in the first place. The bold answers you already and I love it when some people say "INB4" because they know that particular thing they are referring to is problematic to their so called "strategy"
- The bottom right proves Sasuke had no idea of how it worked...He only expected attacks from above
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He stepped on it and dodged it afterwards...It's a feat. You're in serious denial if you're trying to argue otherwise. That's why Deidara questioned if he got him at first and only realized he used Oro's cursed seal after the smoke had cleared. It's a good speed feat.
Yeah and you must be silly if you couldn't get where I was going at...Itachi's hand seal speed>> Mei by far. Yet Sasuke via summoning could prevent it. He'll be able to summon Manda faster since that the distance and his hand seal speed plays a big factor. There's the fact that you have 0 proof that the water pillar can be used from 35M away. As for the others, a fire style can definitely be used to counter the Acid mist before it spreads to Sasuke.
The shuriken would only come into play when the range is much smaller.
Yeah and this just you displaying stupidity yet again..You question my knowledge of the Manga? Sasuke was surprised he made a seal during that period, that in no way proves that Sasuke can't match Itachi Hand seal speed. Not to mention you're heavily contradicting yourself since you said Itachi was sick which is why we can't count Sasuke matching his hand seal speed but you're sitting there telling me the bold now? Big Joke.
- 3T Kakashi never had problems following his Jutsu...Drop that nonsense, that was a water clone which is only 10% of the real person
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- I see you're the one trying to determine when Itachi decided to go all out with his Jutsu execution speed. There's been times where Bunshins weren't formed with hand seal
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Like I said, Sasuke being surprised Itachi managed to form a clone during that period is proof Itachi wasn't holding back with his hand sign speed. It's not proof that Sasuke can't match it because he did after. Simple.
You can keep deceiving yourself...Zetsu said in surprise "Such speed" when Sasuke was preventing Itachi from using seals. There won't be any need for such praise when he wasn't going all out...Dude please stop denying facts.
Oh and there's something I discovered..:
1. We see the Shuriken used to hit the crow clone here(Red circle) Take not of the distance between them as well :
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Note that that Crows flying was a result of the clones being attacked by the Shuriken
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(You can keep reading the panels to see)2. After the Genjutsu was used, there's no shuriken in that position:
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So there's also the possibility that everything there occurred in the Genjutsu as well. Consider the fact that the plenty shurikens thrown between Sasuke and Itachi should have been well behind Sasuke due to the clones and snake summoned scattering it all around. However the arrangement was different when when you look closely at the 2 scans I've shown....Possibly meaning the strategy you brought out must have happened in a Genjutsu.
No..I addressed this. It only shows his speed. The only difference is blood for Manda's summoning but there's the distance(35M), Mei's hand seal speed and everything which I've shown.
Sasuke already resorted to summoning a snake to protect himself against Deidara from the start..There are different ways and unless you're Kishi, you can't determine what an opponent starts with. I'm debating with Sasuke so I have every right to come with any strategy that has been shown by the Manga. I can also say Mei has never started a battle with a defensive technique.
@Bold..False, Hebi Sasuke has already shown to stream lightning through his Katana
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...Zero reason why he can't do so. This was when he did it via EMS (Top Right)
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That would be evaded by flying, Shunhsin or hard countered by Manda.
Thanks but the reason you gave won't be preventing it.
How about you read the panel where it says "If Manda realizes he can't use his Jutsu"...This applies to Orochimaru and the way he must have used the summon. Manda only thought Sasuke was a punk after the C0 incident(Before his death). Sasuke forcefully controlled Manda at that point in order to use him as a sacrifice.
Plus you make it seem like it's nigh impossible when we have the fact that in order to summon Manda, Sasuke has to sign a contract with Manda itself Bottom Panel says it..Why would Manda sign a contract with a Punk ass kid in the first place? You're trying to close any route of this happening when there are possibilities with the points I've given:
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Then there's the fact that Mei like I said would anger Manda by attacking him which may lead to Manda join forces with Sasuke to kill her first before attacking Sasuke. You already agreed with most of this strategies so it shouldn't be an argument anymore.
Dude because you need to apply common sense...Sasuke was out of chakra before he summoned and controlled Manda :
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He was at his limit. Yet you're comparing the time limit and arguing this nonsense about how the Genjutsu deactivated itself despite there being no use for it at that point. You make 0 sense.The DB basically supports and implies so
Scroll down to the bold and underlined)YET SOMEONE THAT'T BEEN COMPARED TO MADARA BY THE KYUUBI? You're arguing he can only control Manda for a few seconds? Despite him even being weakened. Man you're not serious.
@Bold Ok.
Lol..horrific. Just horrific. What even makes things worse for you is the fact that Danzo who's far more knowledgeable than all there fell for a Genjutsu after that speech:
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Yet you still use the bold as a solid point...Danzo who has battled enough Uchihas? Who has far more knowledge was caught? Orochimaru? Kakashi? I'm laughing at your weak reason.
@Underlined..Not new for you to ignore Manga facts. Chiyo has more experience and it was an example. @Deidara point..He saw through the Genjutsu because he trained his left eye to battle it. That doesn't go for Mei.
Oh look, another retarded response. Should I be surprised? @bold why don't you read the Manga..Madara even asked them what they wanted. There's the fact that you can NEVER use the fact that a CLONE not using Genjutsu on an opponent is proof of an actual person who hit several Kage level opponent(Danzo for example) as proof. Someone educate this dude.
Get that in your head because it's a pain to explain this shit to you. There's also the fact that some of the fight were off paneled and the next time we see them battling, we see a Susanoo punching Mei. Yet you're using that as a reason for why Mei supposedly couldn't be hit by a Genjutsu despite us seeing no attempt of it used against her. Your reason isn't reasonable when Mei was already sent flying to the ground only left to be protected by Gaara.
Danzo was going to be pronounced 6th Hokage yet he was caught..Yet he has more experience than Mei especially against the Sharingan. Yet you're using "a clone" to backup your point? When Mei was getting tossed around, you're questioning why a technique wasn't used against her despite her already being beaten up? Ridiculous.
Madara makes proper eye contact with Tsunade but never attempted a Genjutsu
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..That supposedly means he can't because he didn't attempt it. Outta here son. Mei has no given experience/knowledge so a battle with "Susanoo" clones that have the output to damage her isn't good enough proof.I'll drop this point since Sasuke has not shown any Suiton skill so I can't measure his ability with it and I'll agree regarding Kakashi not being able to copy this due to the range and the unknown class of this technique. Only reason why I'll agree he doesn't have the skill.
Anyone with common sense would know I'm referring to CM2 so I'm trying to figure out why you're laughing...He has the healing power so this is not even something to drag on.
HAHAHA this guy is forever arguing with the Manga..I love the bold. The only way I'd agree with you is if the Viz states otherwise...However that doesn't even seem to be the case when Deidara confirms twice that he escaped it. Something Kishi wrote. Christ this boy is a case.
- @Underlined...Deidara could see fully well whether or not Sasuke was damaged.
- All I care about is the fact that Sasuke evaded that technique..This is confirmed by the Manga itself and the fact that we've seen truly what C2 can do. Especially if he takes it head on...He needed his wings to protect him.
- Then there's the fact that Deidara really wanted to clip his wings
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to prevent his flight for a reason.Lol...
- How his sandals came of? Who knows? Could have been the aftermath of the technique. Could have been the fact that he forcefully tried to remove the leg that was there, could have been the fact that he slightly dodged it and his sandals was caught. Whatever but he evaded it Period.
What sense does it make that C2 which supposedly damaged his wings wouldn't do complete damage to his leg but only blow of one of his sandals? What happened to the other?
What sense does it make that with such a range, only one leg of his sandals would be blown away?
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Doesn't make sense unless his legs were ridiculously far apart...the again, that doesn't make sense when you factor in the ridiculous range of this C2 explosion. We see his trousers and all still left cool. He evaded it like Deidara said, whatever happened to his slippers? Irrelevant but he wasn't damaged.Shut up crybaby.
- You showed what C2 is capable of doing to Sasuke's wings but you didn't factor in why it didn't do worse to his legs? His wings is supposed to be the most durable part. Why then would it blow his wings but only remove one leg of his sandals? He wasn't even damaged.
- Always look at your scans first pal..
That technique exploded Midway to the ground:
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Then we have the fact that it has an extremely ridiculous range like I showed you
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..Sasuke opting to protect himself is completely understandable when he couldn't evade such a range. Something Mei can never dream of causing.I really pray you're not comparing that when Sasuke via flight evaded the land mines...Plus the fact that we've actually seen Base Sasuke evaded the C2 explosives before he could reach the ground
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- There the fact that I showed you the distance was not too far off from 5M which is completely different from Mei's case.
To end it, take a look at the fact that Sasuke was on the ground while Deidara was trying to release the same attack:
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Sasuke on one spot and could physically move out of the way.
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Yet could still evade the technique and cut of C2 before the bomb could land?
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We're talking about his flight speed? Something he used to evade the land mine? Because he got exposed by the range of a technique that exploded midway?
When we have Mei not being able to compare at all? Yeah I hear you.
Oh dude please you should make your own Manga...If that was the case, Kishi would have never made Deidara make such a statement..If it was a flawed one, it would have been corrected like we've seen in every case of a wrong interpretation made. Kishi can't state something and draw another. Especially when we get the confirmation twice and the case isn't corrected.
I take it as you conceded this point but just feel like talking for the sake of it. Everything here I took into consideration and only addressed the relevant aspect. You're only jumping into something else but I proved my point which you were clearly wrong about.
Really love it when people are wrong but instead try to act like it was irrelevant.
Yeah Yeah...You think your post is any better? Lol.
Listen...Sasuke evaded the technique. Don't give me this rubbish..He had the SPEED to evade it. I don't know what this "He couldn't speed out of there" when in the first place he just landed on the ground and needed Karin's to get to Danzo (Karin follow me)
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..Yet you're using something he couldn't even see as a feat of him not being able to speed out of the location? Whatever...It invalidates your ridiculous logic.
Nope...they were around the region which is why they were told to leave. They left after Mei spat the technique out not before it was released. Why? It was a reaction to the technique because in the next panel, Sasuke isn't even hit despite them being slightly next to him.]
The technique had not crossed over despite them being on the opposite side of Mei.. This is evident..I'll conveniently post the scans again
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Look closely at the next panel after they evaded it...Your post shows they were on the opposite side which is right next to Sasuke...My scan shows the fact that:
- Mei spits it out
- Karin says "Not this again"
- Akatsuchi and Onoki evaded by going upwards as they were told to leave...They were on the opposite side and slightly in front of Sasuke.
- Sasuke the activates Susanoo after they evade.
Lol this guys desperately trying to prove this thing.
How can you think Karin wasn't next to Sasuke.
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I don't care about your other scans because they prove nothing...Why would Karin be jumping out in the first place? Get better reasons because these ones are pure trash. Sasuke can evade that thing easily...I don't know where this rubbish about "He needed Susanoo " to prove he can't dodge it when he already did like I showed. I proved that wrong anyways.
No it wasn't...Even if it was, I already told you countless time that no one in the Manga has resorted to a Fire style while in the Mist. It's possible but I already told you there's a very very little chance of that happening since Sasuke at a young age has experienced the Mist before. He never used a fire style..Same for Madara. Drop the side point when Sasuke can fly out of it and throw attacks at Mei from above.
Like I said, if he was going to resort to one, it would be in the process of Mei releasing it to which Sasuke would think it's the Hidden Mist. The Mist won't be getting to Sasuke before he uses a Katon to counter it. Not at all.
Because the feats you brought in are not convincing enough. Not to mention the fact that you keep giving the feats of the hidden mist to the acid mist which I don't even think I've addressed.
You talk about me giving EM feats to Hebi(Obviously wrong) but then you're giving feats of another technique to the Acid Mist? With no evidence that the Acid Mist can spread as far as the Hidden Mist? Yeah no.
Plus the fact that Sasuke can fly out it and counter with his large range Katon...Yet this clown thinks Sasuke would be heavily damaged before he evades the Acid mist? In his CM2 state? When he can heal? When that Jutsu is not doing Jackshit at that point?
Haha dude shut up.
Lava globs should be >> Mei spitting out Lava since Karin outright evaded Mei spitting out Lava...Sasuke can evade both of course. Easily since he evaded the globs and Karin evaded the other.
Manda? He can go underground upon seeing Mei do this:
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Shinobis should be able to tell the element based on the hand signs..It shouldn't be a big deal. Sasuke can anticipate this jutsu and control Manda accordingly. If not he can still warn Manda if they're working together.
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Let's say Sasuke somehow doesn't even know, he'll still take the safer route and have Manda go underground if it's being attacked.
Plus the fact that you said she can spit out Lava the size of Manda which means the prep should be longer..Plus the distance if Mei wants to be safe. Manda can also prepare to shed his skin making thing faster
If she tries it from close? also the fact that she'll be left opened for Sasuke to attack her...Manda can even attack her as well even if he takes some damage. She'll be left opened regardless.
Yeah because their all irrelevant when your connective strategy has been broken halfway or even right from the start.
Manda tanked C0 which is my point...I don't know where you got the seconds from but that feat is good enough to help him take whatever Mei throws at him. Naturally, Mei Lava style would kill Manda but what you're fkn telling me is that it would completely wreck him before he can shed? You must be joking. Even with the prep, Manda can also prepare to shed as well.
Their counters I've given are enough tbh...Plus the fact that it didn't do "superficial" damage to V3. It won't be putting Manda before it sheds..Not a chance. Then the prep?
@Bold You don't even know what happened based on the off paneled fight. The timing or how long it took can't be used as a feat.
What you're telling is your inability to read is outstanding. Nonsense.
This fool...No words I swear. No words.
Ahahahaha I'm reading this shit properly? Lord.
I need to raise the level of my points? My points would speak for itself but you can't be conceding to my points and still tell me to raise the level of my points. Shit is a joke.
Nah I'll tell you straight up..You're too emotional and stop acting like your points are all that. Asides your crew, I'm confident outsiders who read this would tell you otherwise.
Read before you conclude..I only said Sasuke can copy a technique because he had the element since that's a special attribute of the sharingan..I used Kakashi as an example because he replicated this and I also used the Sharingan entry which doesn't completely condemn my point at all. I ignored him not showing his skill with Suiton in the Manga..This is completely different from Orochimaru being able to use a raiton technique because he has the element.
I conceded this point due to having less evidence on my side but don't relate these 2.
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