EMS Madara vs 3rd Raikage

[NarutoX28]

Seems strange to me why Orochimaru would want to be able to wield such a large blade such as Totsuka if the size can't easily be manipulated based on one's chakra.

 

[KidGamer65]

@Bold, nah the Rasenshuriken, made him use edo regeneration also, he had cracks all over his body mid area all messed up.



and it was retarded enough to TBBs, that would damage him also?



- Is given proof

- Still asks proof.


- But bases his argument on fan-fic durability.

Except you haven't. You told me that it's a Mountain Buster, but when I asked for the evidence you never said anything. Do we need to hold a class on what evidence actually is? Because it seems that we have two dimwits here who don't know what the term refers to.

 

[KingHashirama]

Except you haven't. You told me that it's a Mountain Buster, but when I asked for the evidence you never said anything. Do we need to hold a class on what evidence actually is? Because it seems that we have two dimwits here who don't know what the term refers to.

You were given "evidence" of how it is a mountain buster, your failure to comprehend and make analysis of the evidence and the explanation given to you has nothing to do with evidence not being given to you. And don't worry i'll post what evidence is for you.. something you have failed to provide for the 3rd Raikage's fan-fic durability.

evidence : - something that furnishes proof
: something which shows that something else exists or is true

: a visible sign of something

: material that is presented to a court of law to help find the truth about something

If you weren't able to comprehend that:

the rasenshuriken?? The rasenshuriken put alot of cracks on his body, while soloing his raiton armor (something that gives him more durability).

Perfect Susanoo = capable of busting more than 5+ mountains that are far away = Full Kurama's tbb that had the strongest showcasing of any kurama tbb (excluding the non-rikudou influenced)
Complete susanoo = atleast half of that. By complete susanoo i'm referring to this:


Easily a mountain buster homes.

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Lack common sense =/= Lack of evidence

Now show us 3rd Raikage's invincible durability, since he got ****ed by Temari and Naruto already, don't give us those bullshitty scans trying to make a dumb explanation. Since you wanna act like a smart ass, lets see what you got.

 

[KidGamer65]

You were given "evidence" of how it is a mountain buster, your failure to comprehend and make analysis of the evidence and the explanation given to you has nothing to do with evidence not being given to you. And don't worry i'll post what evidence is for you.. something you have failed to provide for the 3rd Raikage's fan-fic durability.

evidence : - something that furnishes proof
: something which shows that something else exists or is true

: a visible sign of something

: material that is presented to a court of law to help find the truth about something

If you weren't able to comprehend that:


Lack common sense =/= Lack of evidence

Now show us 3rd Raikage's invincible durability, since he got ****ed by Temari and Naruto already, don't give us those bullshitty scans trying to make a dumb explanation. Since you wanna act like a smart ass, lets see what you got.

Are you really this much of a fucking idiot? You've literally repeated the same thing. You stated PS cuts Mountains. then you said V4 is half that. WHERE IS THE ****ING PROOF?

Don't reply to me if you just going to make more dumbass posts. Learn what evidence is kid, cause you've posted the definition and still cant provided it.

 

[Strict]

Madara's huge V4 Susanoo can do what a normal sized V4 Susanoo can do multiplied by its size. Madara's V4 Susanoo could crush Madara's meteor with a direct hit because it is larger, but PS cuts distant mountain ranges with one blow, this is another dimension.

 

[KingHashirama]

Are you really this much of a fucking idiot? You've literally repeated the same thing. You stated PS cuts Mountains. then you said V4 is half that. WHERE IS THE ****ING PROOF?

Don't reply to me if you just going to make more dumbass posts. Learn what evidence is kid, cause you've posted the definition and still cant provided it.

Definition of proof: evidence or argument establishing or helping to establish a fact or the truth of a statement.

Second time, i gotta provide the meaning of a word for you, since you lost your argument against others and still pretending or trying to believe that you are right, but do not worry we will also lay that belief of yours to rest as well.


The power of humanoid susanoo that is inferior to Complete Susanoo:

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The power of Susanoo that is superior to the complete Susanoo = Covers a lot of mountains with just the swing of the sword, and not even hitting them.

Complete Susanoo lays in the middle of the 2 above, do you have the brain to anaylze its damage now? Or are you still going to be crying for some evidence that is given, but you can't make something out of it.. because of your ****ing ego? Your choice homes. Also, evidence does not mean that i need to show you complete Susanoo busting mountain, it means I can show you things that can indicate or prove that it can bust mountains.



GIVE ME EVIDENCE

Show me where hes shown to tank the damage that even Sasuke's humanoid Susanoo is capable of doing.

Show me where hes shown to tank attacks like TBB (Madara's Complete can casually tank a TBB)..


Stop begging for evidence, and actual provide it yourself.

 

[KidGamer65]

The power of Susanoo that is superior to the complete Susanoo = Covers a lot of mountains with just the swing of the sword, and not even hitting them.

Complete Susanoo lays in the middle of the 2 above, do you have the brain to anaylze its damage now? Or are you still going to be crying for some evidence that is given, but you can't make something out of it.. because of your ****ing ego? Your choice homes. Also, evidence does not mean that i need to show you complete Susanoo busting mountain, it means I can show you things that can indicate or prove that it can bust mountains.

YD mentioned the same thing, and I already addressed it. Take your head out of your ass and go read and counter that. Lmao. Dumbass.

 

[KingHashirama]

YD mentioned the same thing, and I already addressed it. Take your head out of your ass and go read and counter that. Lmao. Dumbass.

- Fails to give evidence of Raikage's durability that he has been wanking on for the past pages.
- makes shitty counters and thinks hes done good
- Tries to argue against complete Susanoo being able to destroy a mountain, but fails
- Now tells me to read an argument where he also got beat.




You never showed 3rd Raikage's durability to tank a mountain buster, after getting wrecked by a small Rasenshuriken. And are you referring to the your addressing that was based on you trying to make excuses with no evidence?? Get real kiddo, I don't need get my head out my ass.. you just had yours in your ass for too long.


This is the counter you gave me:

Where is the proof? That's all I care about. Not your statements.

Proof was given, and you still haven't been able to provide proof Raikage being able to tank it.

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[KidGamer65]

- Fails to give evidence of Raikage's durability that he has been wanking on for the past pages.
- makes shitty counters and thinks hes done good
- Tries to argue against complete Susanoo being able to destroy a mountain, but fails
- Now tells me to read an argument where he also got beat.




You never showed 3rd Raikage's durability to tank a mountain buster, after getting wrecked by a small Rasenshuriken. And are you referring to the your addressing that was based on you trying to make excuses with no evidence?? Get real kiddo, I don't need get my head out my ass.. you just had yours in your ass for too long.


This is the counter you gave me:



Proof was given, and you still haven't been able to provide proof Raikage being able to tank it.

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That's the last reply you get dumbass kid. This is why people with single digit IQs shouldn't be allowed on the internet.

 

[Icelerate]

That's the last reply you get dumbass kid. This is why people with single digit IQs shouldn't be allowed on the internet.

Concession accepted, King Hashirama wins this debate. Kunai>3rd Raikage's body as you have no counter to his post.

 

[KingHashirama]

That's the last reply you get dumbass kid. This is why people with single digit IQs shouldn't be allowed on the internet.

In other words : I'm too sore to admit I was wrong, and that I failed to provide a single evidence for the guy who I had been wanking for quite some time now. So I will leave this thread, while pretending I am right, so my fellow friends on this website will see that I am right, even though I failed in the entire thread.


Well, take care buddy.

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[NarutoX28]

Concession accepted, King Hashirama wins this debate. Kunai>3rd Raikage's body as you have no counter to his post.

But Sick Itachi tanked Sasuke's Chidori did he not?

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Every Susanoo has his own characteristic primal weapon, but apart from that, any Susanoo can build random weapons from Chakra. Sasuke formed a sword, Itachi formed a dagger and Magatamas, etc. Just stop arguing. The fact alone that you say that the Anime is a legit source, makes the discussion frail. Only the Manga is a legit source. Anything shown in the Anime that didn't appeared in the Manga is filler. Fact is, that Itachi had to evolve his Susanoo from V2 to V3 in order to use spiritual weapons, so it's a Manga scan against your baseless claim.

Again you are trying to debunk by claim by adding your own "baseless" claim as a conclusion. Thats not how it works. You said it yourself @Bold. So base on the evidence @Bold where is your proof that Sasuke and Madara can make Itachi's primal weapon (Dagger)? Where is your proof that Itachi and Sasuke can make Madara's primal weapon (Kiris). As your baseless claim states they can built any random weapon from chakra. Its a contradiction and baseless. Magatamas are personal shirukens use for Susanoo users (DB statement) mentioning this doesnt help your argument either.

Doesnt matter how you feel about the anime or not since the company is license from Kishi to animate his manga. Arguments are base on what the anime animates to what happens in the manga not extra footage. Your just leaving behind inductive reasoning to rebuttal my point. Its no different if I said that Madara's PS, in the anime, create heat/friction when encountered mountains despite not having the detailed in the manga. It doesn't make it wrong and "uncanon" to believe that attack would do that.

So at the end of the day no one here is fully right here. Of course all that needs to be done is prove that any Susanoo user can make a "random" weapon at will, not personal weapons. Then ill simply concede. But base on the evidence I see here, I have no reason to believe Im wrong.

 

[Strict]

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[Thesaurus]

Thats not ignorance when its in fact a truth statement. Each Susanoo has their own persona, thats a fact. Base on the fact that each wield a personal weapon means one needs proof other Susanoo can make them.

You think Madara and Itachi can make an Arrow?
You think Sasuke and Itachi can make a Kris Blade?

Goard not being in the picture doesnt mean anything, since the whole arm was cut off on panel. But you can arguably see the flow of liquid chakra behind the arms slash. And only Totsuka has shown to carry the flow "liquid/chakra when used" other then personal weapons from Susanoo users, having that kind of flow.

The exclusive weapons cannot be recreated as they work in specific ways ie arrow has a string that can bend instead of being solid. But forming a mere sword which is only a straight line of Susano manifestation must be immensely easy for someone who can create complex objects like Yasaka Magatama. Swords are not exclusive to any Susano, so Itachi can create one with ease. The gourd would still be apparent in that picture as it's extremely close to the body. You'd surely see it

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. And if that's the case I guess Sasuke got Totsuka too [

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] because Itachi's sword does not have any more fluidity than that. Not to mention if you look at Totsuka you will see a second hand extends to hold it [

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], yet no such thing seems to be happening here. Anyways, where is the proof Totsuka can be used in v2 anyways, I'm still waiting on that.

 

[Heisenberg Wannabe]

Multiple legged Susano'o + EMS perception. Third Raikage will be crushed after running around for some time.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

The exclusive weapons cannot be recreated as they work in specific ways ie arrow has a string that can bend instead of being solid.

Ok.

But forming a mere sword which is only a straight line of Susano manifestation must be immensely easy for someone who can create complex objects like Yasaka Magatama.

Thats not proof. Yasaka Magatama is said to be Susanoo's users "shiruken" use (paraphrase Databook) so it has nothing to do with complexity. If complexity is your evidence then exclusive weapons shouldn't exists for Susanoo users, since it isn't hard to make any other different weapons either.

Swords are not exclusive to any Susano, so Itachi can create one with ease.

Manga shows each persona of the user have exclusive use of weapons they can make. So needs evidence that it can be made.

The gourd would still be apparent in that picture as it's extremely close to the body. You'd surely see it

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Nope, base on the red circle part we know thats his elbow joint. Red arrow shows they're more arm reached that is covered, which was cut off by panel.

That whole section of the arm is cut off, which carries the weapons, and doesn't expose what weapon use.

And if that's the case I guess Sasuke got Totsuka too [

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] because Itachi's sword does not have any more fluidity than that.

This was a bad examples to prove my point, so ill drop this point.

Not to mention if you look at Totsuka you will see a second hand extends to hold it [

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], yet no such thing seems to be happening here.

Image dont work but I assume its a pic of Totsuka being held. Like I said and showed in the picture: Scan shows only the first half of the arm on panel. Everything else is cut off so we will never ever know which weapon Itachi used here.

Anyways, where is the proof Totsuka can be used in v2 anyways, I'm still waiting on that.

I have no concrete evidence. I am basing my evidence on the fact that Itachi's only weapon that can extend that far is Totsuka. V2 arms isnt a problem to hold these weapons as much as V3, so I dont see the big deal believing he can or not.

We both dont have concrete evidence to lead to the conclusion of that scan. But mine interpretation seems much closer then the latter.

 

[Unorthodox]

Damn KingHashirama whopped Kidgamer lmao wow

 

[KidGamer65]

Damn KingHashirama whopped Kidgamer lmao wow

Kind of like how the Cavs got whooped.

But yeah. Not really. Love that you are still my loyal fan tho.

 

[Apêx1]

Ok.



Thats not proof. Yasaka Magatama is said to be Susanoo's users "shiruken" use (paraphrase Databook) so it has nothing to do with complexity. If complexity is your evidence then exclusive weapons shouldn't exists for Susanoo users, since it isn't hard to make any other different weapons either.

What? The Susano doesn't have them packed in a bag. The user himself creates them out of Susano. If he can create such objects he can surely create a straight line of Susano. Huh? How exactly would you make a bow with a elastic string? That makes no sense.

Manga shows each persona of the user have exclusive use of weapons they can make. So needs evidence that it can be made.

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Nope, base on the red circle part we know thats his elbow joint. Red arrow shows they're more arm reached that is covered, which was cut off by panel.

Yet Sasuke and Madara both had swords? Coincidence? Nah. Sasuke had a sword and an arrow. Why can't Itachi have a sword and a dagger? You aren't making any sense here.

But it'd be big enough to see regardless of his elbow joint and the bones blocking what's behind. The v3 is much bigger and thicker than the v2, so you need to proportionally scale the gourd and understand how big it would be on the v2 Susano used here.

That whole section of the arm is cut off, which carries the weapons, and doesn't expose what weapon use.

Which doesn't add anything to your argument, as saying it was Totsuka when you can't see anything is wild speculation at best.

This was a bad examples to prove my point, so ill drop this point.

Ok.

Image dont work but I assume its a pic of Totsuka being held. Like I said and showed in the picture: Scan shows only the first half of the arm on panel. Everything else is cut off so we will never ever know which weapon Itachi used here.

The hand would be large enough to hold it, and proportionally large enough to be within that picture as it was mounted on a v4.

I have no concrete evidence. I am basing my evidence on the fact that Itachi's only weapon that can extend that far is Totsuka. V2 arms isnt a problem to hold these weapons as much as V3, so I dont see the big deal believing he can or not.

Yet he can make a Susano sword as Sasuke made a Susano sword from his very first usage of Susano in the Kage Summit (mind you it was v2 Susano too). And it's not about being able to hold it, it's about the Totsuka and Yata only being capable of being released when it reaches v3-v4 Susano. That's how it is, and that's how it always was. I don't understand how you can just randomly suggest Totsuka was used and have 0 evidence to back up your claims.

We both dont have concrete evidence to lead to the conclusion of that scan. But mine interpretation seems much closer then the latter.

No, my evidence is more than concrete. Totsuka can't be used in v2? Check. Sasuke created a sword on his first Susano usage? Check. Sasuke's exclusive weapon is NOT a sword but rather a bow? Check. Itachi has a dagger exclusively but can create a sword due to his higher level of Susano proficiency? Check. Yea, my evidence>>>>>yours, as yours doesn't exist and is completely baseless.