EMS Madara vs 3rd Raikage

[KingHashirama]

He got pretty good damage from that Rasenshuriken also, crack all over that body . If Naruto had followed it up 2-3 more, they might've gotten him.

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Actually I change my mind,
pretty sure that a kunai can pierce the raikage, so a katon alone would one shot,
let alone a susanoo slash

Nah bro, you living in fan-fic. 3rd Raikage is superman, when you pierce his skin with a metal, the metal bends. They need to send special material from another planet to perform medical procedures on him. Didn't you know he was the God of Shinobi of his time?

Shit, you can put his head on the table, and try to behead him (no armor on), you know whats gonna happen? The sword is gonna bounce off!

 

[KidGamer65]

We didn't see his mid section immediately after the FRS, we don't know the level of damage it caused. Not to mention the explosion of FRS is merely needles being shot at you from many directions. The jutsu has a mechanical disadvantage to a durable person as shooting 1000 needles is no different than shooting 1, if the 1 is tanked. Rasengan caused cracks and cracks is still very slight damage regardless of you suggesting it's not (based on nothing). If Rasengan could cause very slight damage than v4 can surely cause some damage. Many slight injuries will lead to bigger ones.

"It had no effect"

Naruto very clearly stated something along those lines. We don't need to see his midsection to know that he took very little damage. Implying that something major did happen is an assumption.

Wrong. 1000 needles thrown won't do any difference in damage than 1 being thrown, but if all 1000 needles are compacted into one Shuriken, and later into a giant wind sphere, all hitting the opponent at the same exact time in the same exact area, then the damage will be upped by 1000x. Not to mention suggesting that something with the destructive feats of FRS is basically only doing the damage of one needle anyway.

Causing cracks on an Edo body isn't a legitimate form of damage. Not when we saw him take something with the same amount of damage despite it being much much stronger than a Rasengan, especially since it was a weakness of his.

Not sure why you are even trying to use this Rasengan argument anyway. FRS is the strongest attack he's taken and he's taken it with very little damage. If V4 wants to do anything serious, then it has to be much stronger than an FRS. Not a Rasengan. You can't even make that comparison w/o ignoring his feat of tanking the FRS.

 

[KidGamer65]

Edo cracks = damage if its real body

Not when he's already tanked something magnitudes stronger with very little damage.

Plus now clue how you think a rasenshuriken by KCM Naruto, is on the level of the swing of Madara's Complete susanoo... you go from a pillar buster to a mountain buster.

Since when could Madara's Susanoo bust Mountains?

 

[LuckyMan]

I think its highly likely Sandaime can tank standard TBBs. Gyukis only chakra taxing attack is TBB and if he used up all his chakra against Sandaime, wouldn't that mean he shot a lot of TBBs? Only question remains is how did Sandaime survive them? We know he can't escape their range. Would slicing them in half with Nukite nullify them? Or did he just tank them?

 

[Thesaurus]

"It had no effect"

Naruto very clearly stated something along those lines. We don't need to see his midsection to know that he took very little damage. Implying that something major did happen is an assumption.

Wrong. 1000 needles thrown won't do any difference in damage than 1 being thrown, but if all 1000 needles are compacted into one Shuriken, and later into a giant wind sphere, all hitting the opponent at the same exact time in the same exact area, then the damage will be upped by 1000x. Not to mention suggesting that something with the destructive feats of FRS is basically only doing the damage of one needle anyway.

Causing cracks on an Edo body isn't a legitimate form of damage. Not when we saw him take something with the same amount of damage despite it being much much stronger than a Rasengan, especially since it was a weakness of his.

Not sure why you are even trying to use this Rasengan argument anyway. FRS is the strongest attack he's taken and he's taken it with very little damage. If V4 wants to do anything serious, then it has to be much stronger than an FRS. Not a Rasengan. You can't even make that comparison w/o ignoring his feat of tanking the FRS.

Why do you always make your posts so long lmao.

"Had no effect" is ambiguous. You can say no effect literally or no effect in the general outcome.

Good point m8. Still doesn't explain why wind cast net completely shat on him despite being an 'inferior' jutsu to FRS. Given the distance it pushed him back, it cannot be much stronger than the force of v4's sword.

Damage is damage. If Kishi is inconsistent then you can take that up with him. After FRS Sandaime's torso was full of cracks. Rasengan had him with minor cracks on his arm. Clearly, an occurrence post damage infliction. Thus if rasengan does some damage, v4 sword will do some more. The weakness of his raiton armor? Raiton armor barely adds any durability from what we've seen in the manga. Bee, Ay and Sandaime all have naturally durable bodies.

It's an inconsistency. News flash: Kishi is not consistent. Regardless, you can say that FRS was tanked but I can still say rasengan did slight damage so Susano will do a lot more. Hence the assumption of some damage having been off screen. Anyways it's like 4am so i can barely write shit rn, will reply when i wake up

 

[LuckyMan]

@Apex damn nicca 4am for you? Where you at Europe?

 

[KingHashirama]

Not when he's already tanked something magnitudes stronger with very little damage.



Since when could Madara's Susanoo bust Mountains?

the rasenshuriken?? The rasenshuriken put alot of cracks on his body, while soloing his raiton armor (something that gives him more durability).

Perfect Susanoo = capable of busting more than 5+ mountains that are far away = Full Kurama's tbb that had the strongest showcasing of any kurama tbb (excluding the non-rikudou influenced)
Complete susanoo = atleast half of that. By complete susanoo i'm referring to this:


Easily a mountain buster homes.

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[LuckyMan]

@King Hashirama

I think PS busting 5 mountains is being used the wrong way because its not like they were all line up behind the other and it cut through each one. IIRC Madara did a 360 spin to make the slash go like that so its not like the shockwave in one direction went through 5 because it'd get weaker after each one I think.

 

[KingHashirama]

@King Hashirama

I think PS busting 5 mountains is being used the wrong way because its not like they were all line up behind the other and it cut through each one. IIRC Madara did a 360 spin to make the slash go like that so its not like the shockwave in one direction went through 5 because it'd get weaker after each one I think.

No bro, even if you ignore those mountains the slash covered area bigger than that of the 5 mountains. VVV There are multiple mountains between the ones that slashed.

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Same in this picture

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[Beans2]

Actually I change my mind,
pretty sure that a kunai can pierce the raikage, so a katon alone would one shot,
let alone a susanoo slash

Madara Rules already proved that Katon one shots the Third Raikage:

OT: Madara still wins. Normal fire has approximately 2000 degrees of heat. Katon: Gouko Mekkyakku was the size of Juubi. Juubi's size is 61.2 meters. 2000 x 61.2 = 122 400 degrees is the heat of Gouko Mekkyakku. Quite hot to the point where Raikage's body is not withstanding that much heat.​

So I'm thinking Katon: Gouko Mekkyaku GG because there is no feats or logic reasoning for the Third Raikage to have durability 1/456th of a kyubi cloak which tanked that.

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You can see his Edo flakes not to mention the regeneration steam in the background.

A average size v3 Susanoo physical strength managed to do this[

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] Madara v4 Susanoo is almost as big as full kurama[

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] This susanoo physical strength would obliterate the 3rd Raikage let's not also mention Magatama's as they get bigger as well depending on the Susanoo size proof inside

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Madara rib cage hand using Magatama's[

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] There much bigger when used by a standing Susanoo[

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]. If a Susanoo the size of Kurama decides to use them they would obliterate him as well.

Madara's v4 Susanoo also has swords that tower over it as well[

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]. Sasuke susanoo sword already showed that there extremely powerful[

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](Madara's v4 Susanoo is much bigger than Sasuke buffed standing Susanoo seeing as it was only the size of BM Kurama which is atleast 4x smaller than full Kurama)



Read above.​

Well dawg, at least you tried.

 

[EZQ]

The third took a straight FRS from KM Naruto. Not to mention, FRS is a wind style technque, which is the perfect counter for lightining armour. Madara's susano isn't made from wind so he should make a really big atack just to match what FRS did to the sandaime (just scratches).

 

[solorflare99]

All this talk about how Madara will hurt the 3rd, but how will the third hurt Madara?

Madara has sharingan and was able to react to V1 A. The third has no feats suggesting he is faster or even as fast as V1 A.

3rd raikage has good evasive feats, but he doesn't have any good offensive speed feats Offensive speed feats =/= Defensive speed feats. Not only that but his evasive feats are only in ration armor, so he will have to keep it activated the whole time.

They both seem to be able to dodge and tank one another, however Madara has genjutsu, shadow clones, izanagi, and possibly(most likely) izanami. so the he seems to be the most likely candidate to win this battle.

 

[ARGUS]

Nah bro, you living in fan-fic. 3rd Raikage is superman, when you pierce his skin with a metal, the metal bends. They need to send special material from another planet to perform medical procedures on him. Didn't you know he was the God of Shinobi of his time?

Shit, you can put his head on the table, and try to behead him (no armor on), you know whats gonna happen? The sword is gonna bounce off!

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well considering that sasukes chidori blade (which has its penetration enhanced by raiton) bounced off Ay who is far inferior to his father in durability,
then its completely absurd thing that a regular blade can pierce through him,

but hey, a kunai can pierce him

 

[Thesaurus]

@Apex damn nicca 4am for you? Where you at Europe?

Switzerland fam

 

[Izanamı.]

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well considering that sasukes chidori blade (which has its penetration enhanced by raiton) bounced off Ay who is far inferior to his father in durability,
then its completely absurd thing that a regular blade can pierce through him,

But Chidori isn't a metal object though.

 

[KidGamer65]

Why do you always make your posts so long lmao.

"Had no effect" is ambiguous. You can say no effect literally or no effect in the general outcome.

No you can't. If it had no effect on him, then that is just what it means. Not that it had no effect in general. If that was the case, then he wouldn't have said it had no effect on him.

Good point m8. Still doesn't explain why wind cast net completely shat on him despite being an 'inferior' jutsu to FRS. Given the distance it pushed him back, it cannot be much stronger than the force of v4's sword.

He was cloaked against FRS. He wasn't cloaked against Wind Cast Net.

Damage is damage. If Kishi is inconsistent then you can take that up with him. After FRS Sandaime's torso was full of cracks. Rasengan had him with minor cracks on his arm. Clearly, an occurrence post damage infliction. Thus if rasengan does some damage, v4 sword will do some more. The weakness of his raiton armor? Raiton armor barely adds any durability from what we've seen in the manga. Bee, Ay and Sandaime all have naturally durable bodies.

Except it's not damage. Lmao. There is no inconsistency here. After FRS he was full of cracks, flakes and smoke. That's damage. Even if it was an inconsistency. The correct thing to do is toss out the inconsistent feat, which should be completely obvious so I don't know why you are still using this Rasengan example when he's tanked something much stronger than that with very little damage. At best all he can do is damage above Rasengan, but below FRS. That's minor damage no matter how you slice it.

He went from getting cut by Cast Net to taking FRS. That's not a small jump in durability.

It's an inconsistency. News flash: Kishi is not consistent. Regardless, you can say that FRS was tanked but I can still say rasengan did slight damage so Susano will do a lot more. Hence the assumption of some damage having been off screen. Anyways it's like 4am so i can barely write shit rn, will reply when i wake up

Read above. You call out an inconsistency, but instead of ignoring the inconsistent feat in favor of the logical feat, you use the inconsistent one? Not how it works.

the rasenshuriken?? The rasenshuriken put alot of cracks on his body, while soloing his raiton armor (something that gives him more durability).

Perfect Susanoo = capable of busting more than 5+ mountains that are far away = Full Kurama's tbb that had the strongest showcasing of any kurama tbb (excluding the non-rikudou influenced)
Complete susanoo = atleast half of that. By complete susanoo i'm referring to this:


Easily a mountain buster homes.

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Where is the proof? That's all I care about. Not your statements.

 

[Thesaurus]

No you can't. If it had no effect on him, then that is just what it means. Not that it had no effect in general. If that was the case, then he wouldn't have said it had no effect on him.



He was cloaked against FRS. He wasn't cloaked against Wind Cast Net.



Except it's not damage. Lmao. There is no inconsistency here. After FRS he was full of cracks, flakes and smoke. That's damage. Even if it was an inconsistency. The correct thing to do is toss out the inconsistent feat, which should be completely obvious so I don't know why you are still using this Rasengan example when he's tanked something much stronger than that with very little damage. At best all he can do is damage above Rasengan, but below FRS. That's minor damage no matter how you slice it.

He went from getting cut by Cast Net to taking FRS. That's not a small jump in durability.



Read above. You call out an inconsistency, but instead of ignoring the inconsistent feat in favor of the logical feat, you use the inconsistent one? Not how it works.



Where is the proof? That's all I care about. Not your statements.

Ok, I won't bother arguing on those specifics, they don't matter much. Just want to ask this, when Itachi and Sasuke were caught in Kabuto's genjutsu,

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. Given this, would that not mean something which also needs to be upkept by the user; Raiton shroud, would also disappear? I'm quite sure it would, and then it would boil down to Raikage's own body without Raiton shroud vs a huge v4 Susano. Counter with reasoning and I'll concede, otherwise the v4 would win given Temari's futon penetrated his body severely.

 

[KidGamer65]

Ok, I won't bother arguing on those specifics, they don't matter much. Just want to ask this, when Itachi and Sasuke were caught in Kabuto's genjutsu,

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. Given this, would that not mean something which also needs to be upkept by the user; Raiton shroud, would also disappear? I'm quite sure it would, and then it would boil down to Raikage's own body without Raiton shroud vs a huge v4 Susano. Counter with reasoning and I'll concede, otherwise the v4 would win given Temari's futon penetrated his body severely.

I already said that V4 would be able to injure him without the cloak. Genjutsu already caused Ays cloak to drop in Canon, so I agree with that.

 

[Thesaurus]

I already said that V4 would be able to injure him without the cloak. Genjutsu already caused Ays cloak to drop in Canon, so I agree with that.

Then what exactly are you trying to argue here?

He can't hurt the Raikage. Raikage just might outlast him.

Don't see where you were going with all this if you agree that v4 can injure him and know that Genjutsu takes away Raiton shroud.

 

[TheSages456]

madaras grabs the third with susano, genjutsus him which causes his raiton cloak to drop then kills him with susano blades. madara wins with very low diff.