EMS Madara vs 3rd Raikage

[KCN]

With Kurama gone, how does Madara bypass 3rd's durability?

 

[TRE MERCER]

Not only did the FRS not open up any wounds on his body, you can't even prove that Madara's Susanoo w/o PS can hit harder than Rasen Shuriken. Get at me when you have the proof pal.

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You can see his Edo flakes not to mention the regeneration steam in the background.

A average size v3 Susanoo physical strength managed to do this[

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] Madara v4 Susanoo is almost as big as full kurama[

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] This susanoo physical strength would obliterate the 3rd Raikage let's not also mention Magatama's as they get bigger as well depending on the Susanoo size proof inside

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Madara rib cage hand using Magatama's[

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] There much bigger when used by a standing Susanoo[

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]. If a Susanoo the size of Kurama decides to use them they would obliterate him as well.

Madara's v4 Susanoo also has swords that tower over it as well[

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]. Sasuke susanoo sword already showed that there extremely powerful[

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](Madara's v4 Susanoo is much bigger than Sasuke buffed standing Susanoo seeing as it was only the size of BM Kurama which is atleast 4x smaller than full Kurama)​

With Kurama gone, how does Madara bypass 3rd's durability?

Read above.​

 

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Madara rofl stomps with genjutsu

I am sure madara can somehow get past his durability

 

[KidGamer65]

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You can see hit Edo flakes not to mention the regeneration steam in the background.​

Did they open up his body? Nope. That's what I stated.

A average size v3 Susanoo physical strength managed to do this[

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] Madara v4 Susanoo is almost as big as full kurama[

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] This susanoo physical strength would obliterate the 3rd Raikage let's not also mention Magatama's as they get bigger as well depending on the Susanoo size proof inside

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Madara rib cage hand using Magatama's[

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] There much bigger when used by a standing Susanoo[

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]. If a Susanoo the size of Kurama decides to use them they would obliterate him as well.

Zero proof that Madara's Susanoo is physically powerful enough to hurt the Raikage. V2 Susanoo doing that pitiful amount of damage to the ground isn't enough to prove so. Half Kurama isn't physically powerful enough to do any damage whatsoever to a Complete Susanoo, yet Danzo's tech (Weaker than FRS) is strong enough to put a hole in the back of MS Sasuke's Complete Susanoo. Zero reason to believe that Full Kurama is strong enough to do heavy damage to or obliterate a Complete Susanoo with it's physical power alone. At best Madara's Armored Susanoo has physical power on par with Full Kurama and Hashirama's Mokujin. I believe that they can do damage to V3, but they aren't going to obliterate it. FRS is strong enough to obliterate it. Raikage tanked FRS with negligible damage. Do the math. He never hurts the Raikage.

Madara's v4 Susanoo also has swords that tower over it as well[

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]. Sasuke susanoo sword already showed that there extremely powerful[

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](Madara's v4 Susanoo is much bigger than Sasuke buffed standing Susanoo seeing as it was only the size of BM Kurama which is atleast 4x smaller than full Kurama)

Bigger=/=Stronger. Unless you want to argue that Madara's V4 Susanoo>EMS Sasuke's Perfect Susanoo (which is not as large as Madara's Susanoo)

 

[Omar19992010]

Didn't Madara's V4 Susano'o tanked a TBB at poin blank range. If that's the case the Third Raikage has zero ways to put a scratch on it.

Don't see the Third Raikage having any chance at coming close to a victory.

 

[DMT]

I think Alpha Debater has a point here, FRS did a serious damage to Edo 3rd Raikage

Madara has enough fire power to end him, even without PS

 

[KidGamer65]

Didn't Madara's V4 Susano'o tanked a TBB at poin blank range. If that's the case the Third Raikage has zero ways to put a scratch on it.

Don't see the Third Raikage having any chance at coming close to a victory.

PS tanked it. Though I agree that Raikage can't get through it and kill Madara.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Did they open up his body? Nope. That's what I stated.

It did to much damage more than enough unless you think a Rasenshuriken has more power than a Susanoo blade that towers over full Kurama.​

Zero proof that Madara's Susanoo is physically powerful enough to hurt the Raikage. V2 Susanoo doing that pitiful amount of damage to the ground isn't enough to prove so. Half Kurama isn't physically powerful enough to do any damage whatsoever to a Complete Susanoo, yet Danzo's tech (Weaker than FRS) is strong enough to put a hole in the back of MS Sasuke's Complete Susanoo. Zero reason to believe that Full Kurama is strong enough to do heavy damage to or obliterate a Complete Susanoo with it's physical power alone. At best Madara's Armored Susanoo has physical power on par with Full Kurama and Hashirama's Mokujin. I believe that they can do damage to V3, but they aren't going to obliterate it. FRS is strong enough to obliterate it. Raikage tanked FRS with negligible damage. Do the math. He never hurts the Raikage.

A susanoo on that size would cream him. Not sure what your not grasping what im saying. Me have 0 proof is irrelevant where there is a thing called common sense. Danzo wind tech word amplified by Baku seeing as Sasuke susanoo effortlessly tanked the same attack later[

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] This Susanoo didn't even have armor either which goes to show that Baku increases wind techs by a huge margin. A hole l0l it literally sliced through one layer[

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]. That was not a complete susanoo this is[

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]. Full Kurama pounding on a complete susanoo and it wouldn't be able to inflict damage? Naruto with chakra hands alone was able to completely destroy boulders[

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] and hold back a full Bijuu strength[

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] Stop!

Also if he is as strong as full Kurama it doesn't help your case sense son Goku who is weaker than Kurama physical has the strength to throw around other bijuu[

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] It could simply pound him senseless. Also you didn't give a counter to huge Magatama's or a Susanoo sword that dwarfs full Kurama.


Let's see average size Magatama's from a v3 Susanoo managed to get through Gaara's mom defense and crack oonoki's rock golem[

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] Multiple Magatama's on a much larger scale would obliterate the 3rd Raikage stop with the non-sense. Let's not even get me started on the sword.​

3rd Raikage durability breakdown...

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The 3rd Raikage without raition armor body was said to be as hard as a combination or steel and iron[

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]. His skin was bypassed by this[

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]. Yet a Skeleton Susanooo tanked this[

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] This should easily be more destructive that Tamari wind tech that devastated the 3rd Raikage. In short his durability isn't much greater than a skeleton Susanoo. Now do you believe his raition armor makes him more durable than 2 stages of Susanoo[

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]? Madara Susanoo blades would obliterate completely erase a v4 susanoo off the map. Full Kurama is huge[

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] Let's be realistic here and think about if Susanoo blades that towered over kurama at this size and hit the 3rd Raikage would he still be alive? Not a chance.​

Bigger=/=Stronger. Unless you want to argue that Madara's V4 Susanoo>EMS Sasuke's Perfect Susanoo (which is not as large as Madara's Susanoo)[/QUOTE]

Madara's v4 Susanoo does not beat Sasuke Ps simply because Sasuke Ps is about as strong as Madara's but his v4 Susanoo rips Sasuke standing Susanoo that cut that huge branch off the god tree.​

 

[Thesaurus]

Why are people mentioning Genjutsu? It's not going to finish him. It's only going to paralyze him. Who knows if Madara's Susanoo has the power to kill the Raikage?

He'd still have the opportunity to begin a continuous smash with his sword. He'll survive the first hit but will take severe damage thereafter.

 

[KingHashirama]

Stop crying And read the manga. 4th Raikage was holding his own against 5 susnoo clones by himself. Tsuande was fighting sloppy and in that one moment when A got concerned and distracted by Tsunades well being. Madara then took advantage of that to catch Raikage off guard. Otherwise it never would have happened. Those aren't gonna be factors in this fight, no one to distract the third Raikage.

Nor does Madara have unlimited stamina to even fight that long against Raikage. Nor can he create susanoo clones without hashirama cells, edo Madara> ems Madara. Gunbai cannot reflect a piercing attack, it reflects explosive moves. Does what sm naruto did Lol. How? Edo Madara could only react fast enough to block v1 ei. He ain't reacting to 3rd Raikage.

"stop crying and read the manga"... 1 show me the crying... 2 you should be reading the manga yourself before making retarded statements such as him even having a chance against Ems MAdara, just because Madara doesn't have a PS.

Madara mercked Muu and Onoki.. and those 2 will destroy the 3rd Raikage. Anyway you wanna look at it, Ems Madara will be on top.

"He was taking on 5 susanoo clones by himself"... cool so did everyone else, but do know those clones do not equal actual Madara's Susanoo, which was previously giving all 5 of them a hard time.

Madara does not need to outlast what he will wreck low-mid diff (mid-diff being the hardest the fight will go).

Sasuke's weaker Susanoo, is capable of

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<< MAdara's complete Susanoo is easily superior to this. Now tell me how he is taking on this scale of power... oh wait "his superman skin". rofl. Madara's completed susanoo should be atleast a 1 mountain buster or 2 , since his PS is about 5+ mountain buster... sorry to inform you , you are gonna need concrete feats from the 3rd Raikage, being able to tank those multiple times.


Now you keep denying that the raikage will get caught in the genjutsu, your reason is that because tsunade isn't there.. but you fail to realize once he tries to attack him, he can be caught in a genjutsu, or you think he has some kind of immunity?

 

[ARGUS]

Third Raikage wins this

without PS there is absolutely no way he could hurt the raikage,
his susanoo wont have the durability to tank something as powerful as nukite either, nor would it be fast enough to repeatedly evade it menaing that its bound to land and eventually bypass his construct,
if one hit isnt enough to take out his large V4, then 2-3 should be enough

sharingan genjutsu is not happening considering V1 Ay avoided genjutsu from 5 madaras and was only caught until he was distracted by tsunades injury, no reason to believe that third raikage is falling prey to it

 

[Thesaurus]

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Look closely enough and you'll see rasengan put a few cracks on his edo body. v4 Susano demolishes him after a few hits.

 

[KingHashirama]

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Look closely enough and you'll see rasengan put a few cracks on his edo body. v4 Susano demolishes him after a few hits.

Temari's net cast also wrecked his body (no armor on tho)

 

[KidGamer65]

It did to much damage more than enough unless you think a Rasenshuriken has more power than a Susanoo blade that towers over full Kurama.​

There's no proof that it does.

A susanoo on that size would cream him. Not sure what your not grasping what im saying. Me have 0 proof is irrelevant where there is a thing called common sense. Danzo wind tech word amplified by Baku seeing as Sasuke susanoo effortlessly tanked the same attack later[

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] This Susanoo didn't even have armor either which goes to show that Baku increases wind techs by a huge margin. A hole l0l it literally sliced through one layer[

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]. That was not a complete susanoo this is[

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]. Full Kurama pounding on a complete susanoo and it wouldn't be able to inflict damage? Naruto with chakra hands alone was able to completely destroy boulders[

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]-[

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] and hold back a full Bijuu strength[

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] Stop!​

If your argument is common sense. Let me know now so I can stop wasting my time.


Not sure why you wasted a good 2 sentences proving that Baku enhances Danzo's Fuuton when I already know that, and it doesn't really change anything I've said when it comes to FRS's power.

I said HALF Kurama wouldn't be able to damage Complete Susanoo with it's physical power. Not FULL Kurama. I said FULL Kurama wouldn't be able to do heavy damage. BM Naruto already canonically failed to hurt Madara's V3 Susanoo with his tail slap. It took his plus 8 other Bijuu to destroy it. No reason to believe that Half Kurama alone can destroy it. Your listing of Naruto's strength feats are irrelevant, and they only show how poor your support really is in the end.

You take a very low end feat from a weaker version of Naruto, and then you say since this Naruto is much stronger, he should be able to do what you are saying he can do, despite not having any evidence to prove that it's true. Then there's the fact that the Manga showing that BM Naruto physically can't harm a Complete Susanoo means that this logic is faulty anyway.

Also if he is as strong as full Kurama it doesn't help your case sense son Goku who is weaker than Kurama physical has the strength to throw around other bijuu[

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] It could simply pound him senseless. Also you didn't give a counter to huge Magatama's or a Susanoo sword that dwarfs full Kurama.
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So? How does Son Goku being able to toss Bijuu change anything I've stated? Not even a counter. The only thing I can see working is the Susanoo blade while his armor is off. But I need more than "common sense" as an argument from my opposition.

Let's see average size Magatama's from a v3 Susanoo managed to get through Gaara's mom defense and crack oonoki's rock golem[

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] Multiple Magatama's on a much larger scale would obliterate the 3rd Raikage stop with the non-sense. Let's not even get me started on the sword.

All I see in this post are hollow ass comparisons with barely anything backing them. Zero reason for me to believe Magatama will go from being tanked by the Golem and Sand Shield combo to being able to rip right through someone who can tank Rasen Shuriken despite it being super effective against his armor.

Though Madara can win since we are talking about him hitting the Raikage after he's put him in Genjutsu. Once he's in Genjutsu his armor drops and his durability drops significantly. But regardless, your points are wrong.

3rd Raikage durability breakdown...

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The 3rd Raikage without raition armor body was said to be as hard as a combination or steel and iron[

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]. His skin was bypassed by this[

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]-[

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]. Yet a Skeleton Susanooo tanked this[

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] This should easily be more destructive that Tamari wind tech that devastated the 3rd Raikage. In short his durability isn't much greater than a skeleton Susanoo. Now do you believe his raition armor makes him more durable than 2 stages of Susanoo[

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]-[

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]? Madara Susanoo blades would obliterate completely erase a v4 susanoo off the map. Full Kurama is huge[

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] Let's be realistic here and think about if Susanoo blades that towered over kurama at this size and hit the 3rd Raikage would he still be alive? Not a chance.​

No Susanoo can tank Rasen Shuriken with a negligible amount of damage bar Itachi's V4, Madara's V4, and all PS in the Manga. Raikage can. Do the math. Then there's the fact that he's implied to be strong enough to take a BD, and there's the fact that FRS was wind, so it didn't need to be as strong as any other type attack to get past the Raikage's defense because it is strong against the armor. An attack equal in power with FRS, but a completely different element, would do far less damage to the Raikage.

So unless you can prove a swing from Madara's V4 Susanoo is >> FRS. Then he's not going to "obliterate" the Raikage. Your Magatama point has zero evidence backing it. It's pretty much just a statement. Your physical strength point is just plain silly.

This all boils down to your common sense at the end of the day, which I don't care for. If you can't prove your point with evidence then don't reply. I'll agree that Madara's Susanoo can eventually injure a Raikage w/o his cloak. With his cloak? Not happening.

Madara's v4 Susanoo does not beat Sasuke Ps simply because Sasuke Ps is about as strong as Madara's but his v4 Susanoo rips Sasuke standing Susanoo that cut that huge branch off the god tree.​

Didn't answer my question or prove your point. Your only proof is size. Not to mention Sasuke's PS downscales to a level around the one he used against Juubito. Lmao. So you are basically telling me that Madara's V4 Susanoo is on par with Sasuke's Perfect Susanoo.

And no. Sasuke's PS is not as strong as Madara's. Not even close.

He'd still have the opportunity to begin a continuous smash with his sword. He'll survive the first hit but will take severe damage thereafter.

Based on what exactly? If the first strike isn't enough to even hurt him, then he's not going to take any damage from a second hit. So someone would have to prove that he can hit much harder than KCM Naruto's FRS.

EDIT: Ignore this. Forgot that we are talking about an uncloaked Raikage.

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Look closely enough and you'll see rasengan put a few cracks on his edo body. v4 Susano demolishes him after a few hits.

Irrelevant. Edo cracks=/=Actual damage. Not sure why anyone would bring up this feat when he's already tanked something far far far far stronger than this with negligible damage at best. Then there's the fact that it was his weakness, so someone w/o Fuuton would require a much stronger attack to get past his defense.

 

[Thesaurus]

Temari's net cast also wrecked his body (no armor on tho)

Cast net pretty op doe, and his main durability comes from his own body anyways. I doubt the Raiton armor has any effect on durability versus Futon attacks anyways

 

[KingHashirama]

Cast net pretty op doe, and his main durability comes from his own body anyways. I doubt the Raiton armor has any effect on durability versus Futon attacks anyways

still inferior to a Susanoo sword that wrecked that huge shinju branch, and has the force to cut multiple mountains down without actually touching them.

Irrelevant. Edo cracks=/=Actual damage.

Edo cracks = damage if its real body

Plus now clue how you think a rasenshuriken by KCM Naruto, is on the level of the swing of Madara's Complete susanoo... you go from a pillar buster to a mountain buster.

 

[Thesaurus]

Based on what exactly? If the first strike isn't enough to even hurt him, then he's not going to take any damage from a second hit. So someone would have to prove that he can hit much harder than KCM Naruto's FRS.

I said he'll survive, not take no damage from the attack. Rasengan put a slight crack on his arm and the coordinated Futon net cast pierced his body pretty heavily. I don't see much reason to believe Madara's huge v4 Susano can't do severe damage on him over a few hits.

 

[KidGamer65]

I said he'll survive, not take no damage from the attack. Rasengan put a slight crack on his arm and the coordinated Futon net cast pierced his body pretty heavily. I don't see much reason to believe Madara's huge v4 Susano can't do severe damage on him over a few hits.

Read my edits. They address both these points.

 

[Thesaurus]

Irrelevant. Edo cracks=/=Actual damage. Not sure why anyone would bring up this feat when he's already tanked something far far far far stronger than this with negligible damage at best. Then there's the fact that it was his weakness, so someone w/o Fuuton would require a much stronger attack to get past his defense.

We didn't see his mid section immediately after the FRS, we don't know the level of damage it caused. Not to mention the explosion of FRS is merely needles being shot at you from many directions. The jutsu has a mechanical disadvantage to a durable person as shooting 1000 needles is no different than shooting 1, if the 1 is tanked. Rasengan caused cracks and cracks is still very slight damage regardless of you suggesting it's not (based on nothing). If Rasengan could cause very slight damage than v4 can surely cause some damage. Many slight injuries will lead to bigger ones.

 

[ARGUS]

Actually I change my mind,
pretty sure that a kunai can pierce the raikage, so a katon alone would one shot,
let alone a susanoo slash