Definitely, not a concession. The absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence. Besides, I have already showed you scans of Kurama releasing chakra shockwaves from its inferior forms, and I have no reason to believe Kurama can't in its superior form just because you think he can't. The proof is there but you’ve chosen to ignore it. You're going to have to stop repeating the same countered points over and over and try harder than that.
You are clearly new to the VS, it doesn't work like this around here. The absence of evidence is the evidence of absence in a debate of
feats.
@italic you cannot be this dense. I said 3 times to show me him doing it purposely, instead of it happening AUTOMATICALLY when he turns into v2.
It's not done manually by the inferior forms, so there's no reason to believe the superior form can do it manually. And here's something to destroy all your arguments. Since when can Fleshed Kurama or any other fleshed Bijuu use
Chakra arms? Never, yet their inferior forms can in fact do it. Foh with your unsupported arguments. So this brings us back to the beginning. Bring me SCANS of fleshed Kurama doing it, or concede like you should've on post 1.
This [
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I guess he can't do it because there isn't a scan of Kurama releasing his energy w/o being a host, no?
And again, v2 KN6
is Kurama in
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releasing
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to Naruto and transforming. It is "regular" Kurama feat, who is leaking his energy to the outside world and his host.
And here's a scan of Kurama being popped by Sasuke pinching its nose [
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And just lol at you bringing me more unconscious feats. They hold 0 relevance.
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Naruto spilling enough ink from his stomach to
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. Here
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Naruto shows that he has the capability of flying in his unconscious. Much wows, very interesting feats u bring br0, such feat smh. So no, until he shows anything in the real world, it's not possible for him.
It released a shockwave using his energy. And there's is the fact that Yamato's and Sai's
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was behind Naruto. The swipe was directed towards Orochimaru's formation of a thousand snakes which was forward, but yet the pressure of the energy released was also felt
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Naruto forcing Sai to not get any closer, which means even the pressure of a direct swipe wasn't only a straightforward force, let alone the shockwave of Kurama releasing his chakra from all of its body.
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And how exactly is this relevant to the conversation? Swiping his hand isn't going to take away the Amateratsu if that's what you're trying to say, that claim holds no merit.
Okay? You were comparing Kyuubi's power to the Hachibi and the other biju using it as proof that Kyuubi can’t because Hachibi didn’t. I just showed you how their power pales inc comparison to Kurama.
What the hell. You said "This level of shockwaves [
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] is far below this [
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]. v2 jinchuriki producing small shockwaves means little when they're not comparable to the level of waves Kyuubi has already produced." How exactly did you change that into this. I am saying only because the Kyuubi's shockwave is stronger doesn't mean it's any different. ALL BIJUUS RELEASE THIS SHOCKWAVE UPON V2 AWAKENING. How hard is this to understand? Your counter was: "Kyuubi's shockwave stronger so it's not comparable" Stop grasping at straws and learn when it's the right time to concede, because your argument is completely irrelevant. You are just wasting time because you're too prideful to concede a point. And I am using it as proof because NO BIJUU has done it. KURAMA HASNT EITHER, so why exactly would anyone claim they CAN when they HAVEN'T? Use some logic, will ya?
With Kurama being stronger and more durable. Far, far more stronger and durable in fact.
Once again, completely irrelevant.
This has to be the most stupid thing I’ve heard all day.
Are you seriously implying that v2 Bee [
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tanked, which would be flat out stupid.
Kyuubi has already tanked its own TBB [
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] which dwarfed Bunta completely. 0 apparent damage to Kurama. Kurama's more durable but you could argue his TBB is directly proportional to his durability as they are both dependant on the power of his chakra. Same with Hachibi, his durability would be enough to withstand his own TBB given that you would scale down his power to his durability as with Kurama. So yes, I do argue that in one way or another, Bee's v2 is all around more durable, if you look at it from an overall perspective ie he isn't losing his tails or limbs by a large shuriken, and it wouldn't be cut by Sasuke's Kusanagi as was fleshed Hachibi's tail. I am not arguing however, that he could tank a massive TBB, as Hachibi's size obviously gives him a huge advantage. Same with fleshed Kurama.
Hachibi being knowledgable doesn't mean he has intel on the technique. It happens when the biju/Kurama releases his energy to the outside world through the host, by his own will. Doing it through a cloak brings nothing to the equation when its
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leaking his energy not the host. Period.
So Hachibi wouldn't know how to simply release chakra from his skin when every other BIjuu has shown it? Makes sense. Rest is irrelevant, because you have yet to prove to me that the Jin/Bijuu have ever released chakra from within their own bodies, bar turning into v2 and it happening by default.
Nope.
Except it's not. It's the biju releasing his OWN energy through his host which is enough proof Kurama can.
No, it's not enough proof lmao. You'll need to substantiate your claims if you want this debate to go anywhere. Bring the feats g, otherwise this is a useless argument with you being too stubborn to concede any points.
You do have a perfectly good reason explained in this manga why Kurama's chakra is corrosive. Because Kyuubi's
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is too strong to freely interact with ordinary people, therefore even BM Naruto has to
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so it can adapt to other shinobi. Kurama in his original form has flash, not an exposed cloak made of chakra instead of his skin, so
you will have to try again.
Very nice contradiction you have there. You took the b8 m8. Kyuubi's chakra is indeed corrosive, the flesh is not capable of being corrosive as it's not the chakra of the Biju. However, when you look at v2 Kyuubi forms, they are made of chakra (as all v2 forms). Touch them and you are injured. Similarly, the v2 forms can release chakra arms from their
chakra skin. Avatar Kurama can do that too because he's made of chakra. They can even release large expulsions of chakra from their own bodies. That is possible because their outer skin is already made of chakra. On the other hand, Fleshed Kurama's outside is not chakra. He can't release chakra from his skin just like that, he can't form chakra hands, corrode people with his powerful chakra, or even expel a massive burst of chakra like the v2 forms do. Try again son.
Yagura can produce corals through his v2, I guess Isobu doesn't have a coral KKG because he didn't show it in his full transformation now?
False analogy. I have given you viable examples of chakra arms, corrosive chakra and expelling chakra from your skin. Yet you come at me with this horrendous coral KKG analogy. The elements a v2 Biju possesses are inherited from its original Biju form. The v2 being made of complete chakra from the outside in is not attributable to the Bijuus even though they are superior. Reading comprehension skills through the roof m888
:lol I'll consider the source of this insult before replying considering all the stupid shit you've typed till now. Never said Kurama didn't take damage, so you'll have to take that comprehension class for yourself bud. I said the damage was minor, it weakened Kurama temporarily but he shrugged it off.
Shrugging off=didn't feel shit. If he took damage then he surely felt it. If he was screaming louder than Obito after Rin died, then he obviously felt it. It weakened him enough for Naruto to win the tug of war. Clearly a lot of damage on someone who took Juubi's blitz punch to the face and didn't even fall on his back.
Samehada and Nagato absorbed Bee's v2 while Bee wasn't weakened. Not a necessity. Never said he wasn't weakened. The damage on Kurama's body was negligible. No blood or deep cuts except scuff marks on his fur.
What the actual fck. :|
Naruto can't win the tug off war by just going in and draining his chakra. Why?
Because Kurama is also trying to take Naruto's/keeping his own. When Samehada/Preta absorb your chakra you are literally helpless to it. You have 0 resistance, there's no such thing as absorption resistance in the manga. What a horrendous analogy yet again. Can Kurama even bleed though? Last I remember Hachibi has all his limbs removed and he didn't even bleed [
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Kurama avatar is Kurama in chakra form. His durability doesn't change because it uses his power in chakra form so it is a Kurama feat. Though yes, the avatar is Naruto's chakra + Kurama but considering Naruto's own chakra isn't anything special or adds much to it we can't say the avatar is more durable than full Kurama or much more durable than Kurama alone.
Kurama in avatar form is Kurama and Naruto together. So his durability would still change, gauging that change isn't possible though. Regardless of that, it still changes. And I didn't say it's more durable than full Kurama, I agree that full Kurama would obviously be more durable. More durable than 50% Kurama imo, given he has no flesh and has extra chakra.
If Naruto has better reactions and controls Kurama's body his striking/combat speed will be faster since Naruto will react quicker than Kurama with his own reactions can.
Yes, his reactions are faster and that contributes to his overall speed in everything. I am saying he is still swifter in every way, regardlss of reaction speed, given that he's made of chakra.
Weakened Kurama inside Naruto's mind created a biju dama at least the size [
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] on his own w/o the need of a host. Yes logically, BM Naruto can do the same since he's using Kurama's power and body. Though he can't do better than full Kurama. Full Kurama's TBB barrage has 11-12 TBB [
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Fulll Kurama is stronger.
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If you use pixlr to measure the 2 heights in proportion to the Bijuu you will notice that the Flash Bijuu Dama is still larger, especially so width wise.
But alright, Full Kurama>Avatar>50% Kyuubi
