What can tank jinton?

[LuckyMan]

Madara was never inside the jinton. He was

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The outline by the meteorite is as far as it got. What looks like electricity is the Jinton dissipating.

 

[RedRobin]

But Yata Mirror isn't bound to worldly matter, so how is Jinton going to disassemble it to molecular level? That's a fair assumption to make, but ABC logic shouldn't necessarily be applied here while discussing Jinton and Yata Mirror because of their unique properties.



Just because Jinton can disintergrate what is regarded to be superior defenses, it doesn't necessarily apply to Yata Mirror due to what I bolded. Plus the fact that Yata Mirrors DB description counter hypes Jintons.

I get Yata mirror is a spiritual weapon however it exists physically in this plane and takes a physical form using chakra, this physical form from chakra uses molecules.

Yata would have been so much better if it simply absorbed chakra instead of deflecting(?)

 

[Red Slayer]

u-cant-tank-Jinton-its-imposible-u-can-dodge/avoid-it...

 

[Forbidden Technique]

I get Yata mirror is a spiritual weapon however it exists physically in this plane and takes a physical form using chakra, this physical form from chakra uses molecules.

Yata would have been so much better if it simply absorbed chakra instead of deflecting(?)

That's not how it was described by the DB though. It never mentions anything about it taking physical form via chakra.

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Eh, that would be boring... We already have Preta Path and Samehada for that. I like the whole deflecting thing.

 

[Beans2]

But Yata Mirror isn't bound to worldly matter, so how is Jinton going to disassemble it to molecular level? That's a fair assumption to make, but ABC logic shouldn't necessarily be applied here while discussing Jinton and Yata Mirror because of their unique properties.

Itachi uses his V4 Susanoo as a medium for Yata Mirror, and Susanoo is worldly matter composed of molecules so it can be broken down. Now that doesn't mean Yata+Susanoo isn't incredibly durable. It just means it's still susceptible to the effects of molecular breakdown. Regardless the target is the Susanoo itself, and Yata not only has to survive being disassembled, but protect the Susanoo ibehind it from being disintegrated, and it can only do that by blocking the attack. And jinton's too powerful of an attack for Yata Mirror to repel.

 

[RedRobin]

That's not how it was described by the DB though. It never mentions anything about it taking physical form via chakra.

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Eh, that would be boring... We already have Preta Path and Samehada for that. I like the whole deflecting thing.

Hmm. But it obviously does have some physical form, totsuka sword is also a spiritual weapon and

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, if it had simply went through him to seal him then you would have a point. This is the thing, I think Jinton can be used on Yata, it will erase its physical form but it wont be destroyed spiritual so Itachi can bring it out again.

No I am saying VS wise, absorbing justu would have worked out well.

 

[LuckyMan]

Itachi uses his V4 Susanoo as a medium for Yata Mirror, and Susanoo is worldly matter composed of molecules so it can be broken down. Now that doesn't mean Yata+Susanoo isn't incredibly durable. It just means it's still susceptible to the effects of molecular breakdown. Regardless the target is the Susanoo itself, and Yata not only has to survive being disassembled, but protect the Susanoo ibehind it from being disintegrated, and it can only do that by blocking the attack. And jinton's too powerful of an attack for Yata Mirror to repel.

Agreed.

I thought Yata was imbued with a sealing/genjutsu and all 5 natures? Shouldn't that mean its man made and have limits? Hell, Kusanagi is one of the legendary weapon trio and even it has limitations so I don't see why Yata shouldn't.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Itachi uses his V4 Susanoo as a medium for Yata Mirror, and Susanoo is worldly matter composed of molecules so it can be broken down. Now that doesn't mean Yata+Susanoo isn't incredibly durable. It just means it's still susceptible to the effects of molecular breakdown. Regardless the target is the Susanoo itself, and Yata not only has to survive being disassembled, but protect the Susanoo ibehind it from being disintegrated, and it can only do that by blocking the attack. And jinton's too powerful of an attack for Yata Mirror to repel.

But you're ignoring what I'm saying though. I know Susano'o is susceptible to Jinton... it's cannon. What I'm arguing is, if Jinton and Yata clash, Yata would win imo. How do you come to the conclusion that Jinton is too powerful of an attack for Yata Mirror? Jinton simply ignores any defensive level of durability due to it's ability to break things down to it's molecular level. That's the nature of the attack, and it doesn't apply to Yata Mirror's unworldly properties. Furthermore, the databook say's that ninjutsu or any ninja implemented defense can't defend against Jinton, and that doesn't apply to Yata Mirror either. While on the flipside, the databook say's Yata Mirror will defend against ninjutsu, astral, and physical attacks. So I really don't see how Jinton is getting past it.

Hmm. But it obviously does have some physical form, totsuka sword is also a spiritual weapon and

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, if it had simply went through him to seal him then you would have a point. This is the thing, I think Jinton can be used on Yata, it will erase its physical form but it wont be destroyed spiritual so Itachi can bring it out again.

No I am saying VS wise, absorbing justu would have worked out well.

Read the whole databook description. The sword is made out of liquid, it doesn't mention it not having a physical form like Yata Mirror. That's a possible outcome, but comparing both Jintons DB description and Yata's, the shield should be triumphat as I stated above.

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[RedRobin]

Read the whole databook description. The sword is made out of liquid, it doesn't mention it not having a physical form like Yata Mirror. That's a possible outcome, but comparing both Jintons DB description and Yata's, the shield should be triumphat as I stated above.

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Its saying liquids that spill from the bottle turn into Kusangi blades, the sword Orochimaru uses.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Its saying liquids that spill from the bottle turn into Kusangi blades, the sword Orochimaru uses.

It's obviously referring to it's variant, Totsuka Blade. Orochimaru's Kusanagi blade doesn't spill from a gourd and seal away souls, nor is it the weapon in picture.

 

[RedRobin]

It's obviously referring to it's variant, Totsuka Blade. Orochimaru's Kusanagi blade doesn't spill from a gourd and seal away souls, nor is it the weapon in picture.

Oh lol they are both called Kusanagi blades. Got it. I thought it was just called Totsuka sword.

 

[LuckyMan]

Oh lol they are both called Kusanagi blades. Got it. I thought it was just called Totsuka sword.

Yeah not sure but I think one is called snake cutter and the other is called grass cutter.

 

[Thesaurus]

Madara was never inside the jinton. He was

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Dem I'm rusty af. I guess everything gets rekt by Jinton then, bar the potential Yata.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Regarding Yata Mirror having no physical form though,

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, is the bottom half phasing through solid matter? Or is it just adjusting it's shape?

And

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we can see Itachi walking between both Yata Mirror and his susano'o, but yet was able to walk up to Sasuke and physically touch him before deactivating his susano'o [

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]. Obviously, Itachi could of just disarmed himself of Yata Mirror, but I suppose it could of phased right through him too.

The shit is just unworldly.

 

[Thesaurus]

Regarding Yata Mirror having no physical form though,

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, is the bottom half phasing through solid matter? Or is it just adjusting it's shape?

And

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we can see Itachi walking between both Yata Mirror and his susano'o, but yet was able to walk up to Sasuke and physically touch him before deactivating his susano'o [

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]. Obviously, Itachi could of just disarmed himself of Yata Mirror, but I suppose it could of phased right through him too.

The shit is just unworldly.

Makes sense actually. Tayuya's spiritual Doki was also made of chakra yet it could literally phase through trees [

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[Forbidden Technique]

Makes sense actually. Tayuya's spiritual Doki was also made of chakra yet it could literally phase through trees [

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]. It's not far fetched to say Itachi's Yata Mirror has the same capability given they are both spiritual and utilise chakra.

You sure Yata Mirror requires chakra? It's a weapon, not a form of ninjutsu

 

[Thesaurus]

You sure Yata Mirror requires chakra? It's a weapon, not a form of ninjutsu

Itachi still has control over it, so it's bound to him by some form of chakra link. I'd think it's similar to Totsuka in its working, and it's implied that Totsuka to extend/change shape since it's originally liquid form, has had varying sizes in the manga and is a variant of Oro's size-changing Kusanagi (most likely under Itachi's control, or it would be rather redundant). Thus the user would need some form of control over it to do so. Just my take on it though, you could argue that it's bound to his soul or mind, seeing how Orochimaru's control over Kusanagi doesn't seem chakra related at all.

Edit: Oro has controlled Kusanagi with the movement of his fingers, telekinetically, and had it appear in all his snakes. I'd say there's some far deeper connection than chakra given that, and it would most likely apply to Itachi.

 

[Beans2]

But you're ignoring what I'm saying though. I know Susano'o is susceptible to Jinton... it's cannon. What I'm arguing is, if Jinton and Yata clash, Yata would win imo.

Your argument is that Yata is a spirit weapon without a physical form therefore it doesn't have molecules that can be destroyed. That's faulty logic because it manifests a physical form when applied to its medium (V4 Susanoo). Otherwise you would have to claim that attacks like Bijuu Dama and PS slashes won't destroy Yata Mirror because it's not composed of matter, and therefore it literally can't be destroyed since those attacks only affect matter.

How do you come to the conclusion that Jinton is too powerful of an attack for Yata Mirror? Jinton simply ignores any defensive level of durability due to it's ability to break things down to it's molecular level. That's the nature of the attack, and it doesn't apply to Yata Mirror's unworldly properties. Furthermore, the databook say's that ninjutsu or any ninja implemented defense can't defend against Jinton, and that doesn't apply to Yata Mirror either. While on the flipside, the databook say's Yata Mirror will defend against ninjutsu, astral, and physical attacks. So I really don't see how Jinton is getting past it.

The bolded is false as the only thing that supports it is databook hyperbole. Just because jinton destroys on a molecular level doesn't mean that it can disassemble all molecules, so very durable defenses can tank it. It's ridiculous to believe that Jinton would put a hole in Sasuke's Bijuu PS, but be tanked by Yata Mirror.

And the reason I think Jinton is too strong for Yata Mirror is because Jinton instantly vaporized V3 Susanoo. If Onoki holds the jinton in place for a longer time then it can bore through more durable defenses since extended exposure to an attack is stronger than brief exposure to an attack. A fireball won't melt a boulder if exposed to the flames for 10 seconds but if exposed to the flames for an hour it will melt. This way it can destroy a more durable Susanoo equipped with Yata Mirror. Whereas what's Yata's best tanking feat? Repelling Hydra heads? Obviously that's not the strongest attack it can tank but put that into perspective and it's clear Jinton is a much stronger attack than Yata is a defense.

Being able to defend against that type of attack =/= being able to defend against a powerful enough attack of that type. Both of these techniques have databook descriptions with exaggerated hyperboles so I'm taking everything the databook says concerning limitations with a grain of salt.

 

[Beans2]

Regarding Yata Mirror having no physical form though,

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, is the bottom half phasing through solid matter? Or is it just adjusting it's shape?

And

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we can see Itachi walking between both Yata Mirror and his susano'o, but yet was able to walk up to Sasuke and physically touch him before deactivating his susano'o [

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]. Obviously, Itachi could of just disarmed himself of Yata Mirror, but I suppose it could of phased right through him too.

The shit is just unworldly.

All Susanoo users can walk in or out of their Susanoo because it acts like a semipermeable membrane and lets the

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but has a physical resistance to everything else. Itachi can walk through Yata because its medium is Susanoo so it gains that property of Susanoo.

 

[EZQ]

Not sure why people claim defenses formed with Rikudo's chakra can't be busted by Jinton. It's literally the same as the other defenses except it's made of a stronger type of chakra.

Jinton would probably wreck them all, though Onoki might have the hold the laser longer as the defensive power and size of the objects increase.

Didn't edo madara's PS cannonically tank jinton?

If i remember well, madara's 25 legged susano's were destroyed by (Tsunade +)Onoki's Jinton so madara used PS.

If it was that way, almost everything in that list can tank it. But i'm not sure if what i said was right