Onoki vs Minato

[Great Master Minato]

TBH, Oonoki just needs to make Minato too heavy to move. It's GG after that. Dude's a bit OP with his doton.

Not gonna happen...he needs to touch Minato in order to make him heavy & engaging in close combat is suicide for the old man.

 

[Alfred Pennyworth]

Not gonna happen...he needs to touch Minato in order to make him heavy & engaging in close combat is suicide for the old man.

onoki can use multiple rock clones to do that

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Not gonna happen...he needs to touch Minato in order to make him heavy & engaging in close combat is suicide for the old man.

Nah, he didn't touch five Susano'os yet they still became too heavy to move [

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[Narutimate Storm]

These idiots. It takes practically no time for onoki to lighten himself and fly out of range where Minato cant reach him. Saying Minato can blitz kage level opponents with his footspeed from 40 meters away is sheer idiocy, especially when said opponent can fly away before Minato reaches him.

Rock golem smashes Minato and his toads.

Who cares if he lightens himself, still slower than minato. Already show minato blitzing from way further thahn 40. So your excuse that his hokage fail. Blitzd kakashi before he can even move his hand. Same ohnoki who told his subordinates to flee if they see him, i wonder why .

You the idiot if you think rock golem can even touch minato, what a fool. Old man has back problems and you ink he can win, what joke.

His argument is because ohnoki kage, cant get blitz :facepalm:

 

[Great Master Minato]

onoki can use multiple rock clones to do that

Then Minato has his own clones to deal with them.

Nah, he didn't touch five Susano'os yet they still became too heavy to move [

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That was off-panel...any time we saw Ohnoki using the said Jutsu he had to touch the target, there's no reason to believe he can do it without touching his target.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Then Minato has his own clones to deal with them.


That was off-panel...any time we saw Ohnoki using the said Jutsu he had to touch the target, there's no reason to believe he can do it without touching his target.

That would indicate either Oonoki's doton hand being able to tank five Susano'o blades without any sign of damage, considering they were closing in on Ay and literally about to hit him. Or Oonoki's just that quick to tag all five susano'o and make them heavy, before they came down and attacked Ay/The Golem Hand.

Both of which are a bit far fetched in my opinion.

 

[Great Master Minato]

That would indicate either Oonoki's doton hand being able to tank five Susano'o blades without any sign of damage, considering they were closing in on Ay and literally about to hit him. Or Oonoki's just that quick to tag all five susano'o and make them heavy, before they came down and attacked Ay/The Golem Hand.

Both of which are a bit far fetched in my opinion.

What if he tagged those Susano'os earlier? like I said we can't judge off-panel events.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

What if he tagged those Susano'os earlier? like I said we can't judge off-panel events.

What opportunity would he of had to tag the Susano'o? They literally were about to hit Ay and the golems hand, and he's not tagging all five of them before they did it. It's simple as that.

 

[Beans2]

^those were a different 5 Susanoos. Onoki immobilized the Susanoos that were fighting him. Not the ones attacking Ay.

 

[Vanto]

I won't go as far as to claim that Onoki is fodder without Jinton but he'll need it to really kill Minato, who's pretty quick even without hiraishin and could dance around his Doton attacks

Onoki could tank a meteor by plot but unless he turtle, he ends up with a rasengan to the nose.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

^those were a different 5 Susanoos. Onoki immobilized the Susanoos that were fighting him. Not the ones attacking Ay.

You'll have to explain how you came to that conclusion. We see Ay being grabbed by the doton hand, e's obviously not going anywhere. And then the next page we see all of the Susano'o around the two struggling to move, and even Ay needing to be broken free from the heavy weight jutsu in the middle panel. I mean, to me it looks like those were the Susano'o Ay was fighting the entire time.

 

[Beans2]

You'll have to explain how you came to that conclusion. We see Ay being grabbed by the doton hand, e's obviously not going anywhere. And then the next page we see all of the Susano'o around the two struggling to move, and even Ay needing to be broken free from the heavy weight jutsu in the middle panel. I mean, to me it looks like those were the Susano'o Ay was fighting the entire time.

The rock golem grabbed Ay and brought him underground then back to Onoki's location, where the Susanoo clones are already immobilized. I've always interpreted it this way since that's the way the anime showed it.

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(watch at 31:40)

It makes sense that way too, because if Onoki hadn't already immobilized the 5 Susanoos that were fighting him, he would be occupied with the Susanoos and wouldn't have the opportunity to make a rock golem and rescue Ay.

And Onoki was releasing Ay from the genjutsu, not the heavy weight tech.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

The rock golem grabbed Ay and brought him underground then back to Onoki's location, where the Susanoo clones are already immobilized. I've always interpreted it this way since that's the way the anime showed it.

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(watch at 31:40)

It makes sense that way too, because if Onoki hadn't already immobilized the 5 Susanoos that were fighting him, he would be occupied with the Susanoos and wouldn't have the opportunity to make a rock golem and rescue Ay.

And Onoki was releasing Ay from the genjutsu, not the heavy weight tech.

I guess I can see that being the case, then. Never bothered to watch the anime before, so never really got that vibe from the scene.

 

[Great Master Minato]

@Anyone who think Onoki can win here...
How is he gonna kill Minato when he can't even touch him?
On top of that he can't evade Minato's top speed blitz especially with his back problem...
Is he gonna fly away all the time? then Minato outlasts.

 

[Draphsin]

Minato already solo 500 plus meter when he blitz kakashi from kill obito:

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Before you call it kcm feat, no matter. Base minato have feat even better, when he blitz kurama to village fence:

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You can see kurama pushed out of village fence here:

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And here you see distance of where konoha fence is from hokage face:

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(you can see how far away it is, several hundred meters away. Maybe even miles away.

So to even question 40m is insult to minato. Make it 400m and mianto will still be there in 1 second. Tsuchikage get rekt.

Do us all a favor & never post in the VS section again.

OT: I can actually see this ending in a stalemate believe it or not, these types of outcomes are kinda rare actually. Both of them need a touch to win, minato can simply transfer senjutsu chakra into onoki, thus turning him into a statue. Onoki on the other hand can make minato too heavy to move, now the question is, will onoki's jutsu remain active even after he's petrified? Possible, & if so I can see a draw. If not then minato has the better chance imho due to impressive striking speed [meaning onoki isn't touching minato w/o minato touching him in return].

 

[Great Master Minato]

Do us all a favor & never post in the VS section again.

OT: I can actually see this ending in a stalemate believe it or not, these types of outcomes are kinda rare actually. Both of them need a touch to win, minato can simply transfer senjutsu chakra into onoki, thus turning him into a statue. Onoki on the other hand can make minato too heavy to move, now the question is, will onoki's jutsu remain active even after he's petrified? Possible, & if so I can see a draw. If not then minato has the better chance imho due to impressive striking speed [meaning onoki isn't touching minato w/o minato touching him in return].

Minato can touch Onoki before the old man can move his hand or even think about it so there's no contest here.

 

[Draphsin]

Minato can touch Onoki before the old man can move his hand or even think about it so there's no contest here.

Can you please show me feats of this amazing striking speed that's apparently fast enough to tag onoki more than once before he lands a single hit.

Teen Obito was able to

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mid-swing, if he was as fast as you're suggesting then that would be impossible since obito wouldn't have been able to track him.

 

[Great Master Minato]

Can you please show me feats of this amazing striking speed that's apparently fast enough to tag onoki more than once before he lands a single hit.

Teen Obito was able to

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mid-swing, if he was as fast as you're suggesting then that would be impossible since obito wouldn't have been able to track him.

Obito's reaction is way better than Onoki & he has Sharingan precog as well, every time Minato tagged his opponents for the FTG seal they didn't notice until he warped to them...Minato's reaction & striking speed are tiers above Onoki, he's reaction is on par with Ay who his synapses fires as fast as a flash of light & when it comes to striking speed he's superior to Ay...so yeah he'll definitely outspeed Onoki.

 

[New Dawn]

Minato wins. He is too fast. He has many options to break the old man's back.

 

[Draphsin]

Obito's reaction is way better than Onoki

So a teenager has better reactions than a kage who managed to

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from madara? Yeah, no.

He has Sharingan precog as well.

So I guess 3T PTS sasuke can catch minato too, since he has precog & better reaction feats than a teen obito.

Precog is irrelevant if you aren't fast enough in the first place.

Every time Minato tagged his opponents for the FTG seal they didn't notice until he warped to them.

Because he always conceals the seal w/ his hits, he tagged obito

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, & he tagged bee only

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. Minato has never been so fast that his hands were untraceable to the human eye, or at least to a high level opponent's eye.

Minato's reaction & striking speed is tiers above Onoki's, he's reaction is on par with Ay who his synapses fires as fast as a flash of light.

Bold is unsubstantiated, underlined is irrelevant.

& When it comes to striking speed he's superior to Ay.

W/ FTG? Sure, w/o FTG? Not a chance, he gets blitzed. Ay > KCM Naruto = Itachi in cqc, & itachi has better striking speed feats than minato.

So yeah he'll definitely outspeed Onoki.

Not unless you believe a 3T kid sasuke [w/o CM] has the speed to blitz or properly react to onoki, & that would be disgusting wank considering he was dealing w/ a seasoned madara just fine.

Hell onoki could simply make himself extremely light, then his hands would be like paper & he'd definitely touch minato since he doesn't need to connect a powerful hit.