Can Naruto/Kurama break Sasuke's CT?

[lndra]

But either way his TBB has no gravitational pull, so no matter how strong of an attack he sends out it still isn't stopping him from being a core. Again, the core would have to be destroyed in order to stop the gravity.

TBB doesn't need a gravitational pull, it only needs an outward force that can buildup on the inward force, which is why it is multiple. The core doesn't have to be destroyed to stop the gravity if the person can use a strong enough force to stop it itself, which is why a normal CT with a core can be destroyed.

There are only two ways for Kurama (Kyuubi Mode Naruto) to break out of a CT:
I. Use a strong enough inward force to break the outward force
II. Turn off the Kurama Avatar which is being used as the core.

 

[shadowcb]

I had to double check in the manga really quick, but to me it looks like the bijuus were turned into the centers of gravity. Sasuke was able to levitate them off of the ground, and everything is being drawn to the bijuus since they are the core.

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The use of an outgoing force can temporarily stop the gravity but not permanently. It's like if we sent a large shockwave out from the earth. The core would still exist and would continue to generate a magnetic field and pull. The only way to stop it would be to destroy the large mass causing the gravity.

If the mass (Kurama)w as met with a much larger mass then naturally it would fall into the gravitational pull of the larger one, but none of Kurama's attacks can create gravity.

But the inward force is being generated from Kurama, who is acting as the mass.

The only thing that can overpower gravity is a larger source of gravity, but none of Kurama's abilities can generate that.

An exterior blast would either be deflected by the gravitational mass' magnetic field (if the blast isn't string enough( or it would puncture through and damage/destroy the mass. Its like how the earth handles solar flares.

You still don't understand how the jutsu work. It's simple. The CT surrounds the target with gravity that creates an inward force. Kurama is not creating the gravity force. Sasuke manipulating the gravity surrounding Kurama and to counter it Kurama just need to create a stronger force.

If the gravity was inside the target than they would implode, but they don't.

If what you said was true that only thing that can overpower gravity is a larger source of gravity, than Kurama wouldn't have been able to counter Pain jutsu here -

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Both those jutsu manipulates gravity. Just in two different ways.

 

[shelke]

But either way his TBB has no gravitational pull, so no matter how strong of an attack he sends out it still isn't stopping him from being a core. Again, the core would have to be destroyed in order to stop the gravity.

This. Naruto is the core now. He isn't getting out, period.

You still don't understand how the jutsu work. It's simple. The CT surrounds the target with gravity that creates an inward force. Kurama is not creating the gravity force. Sasuke manipulating the gravity surrounding Kurama and to counter it Kurama just need to create a stronger force.

If what you said was true that only thing that can overpower gravity is a larger source of gravity, than Kurama wouldn't have been able to counter Pain jutsu here -

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Both those jutsu manipulates gravity. Just in two different ways.

That's not even a relevant example when you are describing an event where a core existed. How is Kurama breaking out of the gravitational pull from its own body? It is going to overpower its own body by moving or launching TBBs? That doesn't even make any sense.

 

[Seventh Sama]

Yeah, There's a reason why sasuke used rinnegan genjutsu to paralyze the bijuu.

 

[uchiha asuku aliyu]

The fact that sasuke first put the tailed beast into genjutsu before using the CT proves that he needs his target to be stagnant to be a core so CT is a fail in these situation is a fail

 

[lndra]

The fact that sasuke first put the tailed beast into genjutsu before using the CT proves that he needs his target to be stagnant to be a core so CT is a fail in these situation is a fail

This is true though, if the person is not completely stabilized while the CT is being created as them as the core.

It fails.

 

[UltraPain]

You still don't understand how the jutsu work. It's simple. The CT surrounds the target with gravity that creates an inward force. Kurama is not creating the gravity force. Sasuke manipulating the gravity surrounding Kurama and to counter it Kurama just need to create a stronger force.

If the gravity was inside the target than they would implode, but they don't.

If what you said was true that only thing that can overpower gravity is a larger source of gravity, than Kurama wouldn't have been able to counter Pain jutsu here -

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Both those jutsu manipulates gravity. Just in two different ways.

I think you're viewing this backwards. The gravity is not coming from outside Kurama and then going towards him because gravity doesn't work that way. Gravity can't form in the middle of nowhere, it has to have a dense mass to generate from and attract smaller masses towards. Kurama is turned into the dense mass, which in turn makes all smaller masses attracted to him.

 

[shadowcb]

This. Naruto is the core now. He isn't getting out, period.



That's not even a relevant example when you are describing an event where a core existed. How is Kurama breaking out of the gravitational pull from its own body? It is going to overpower its own body by moving or launching TBBs? That doesn't even make any sense.

Don't tell me my facts are not relevant because it hurts your post. It's very important because both jutsu manipulates gravity. Just in two different ways. If the gravity was inside his body than it would implode on itself. So it's not. It surrounds his body. Kurama being the "core" just means if the jutsu is property executed he will be at the very center. Once again look at this scene -

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- what is shown? It shows Kurama counter gravity jutsu.

 

[BSK]

Not really. Do you know how powerful a standard TB was for one normal Bijuu? It was mountain sized in terms of power, and Kurama stalemated that with half of his true power.

Kurama being able to overpower that gravity source is nothing short of how strong Kurama is. Multiple TBB which created from a Full Kurama Rikudou enhanced being can without a doubt break a CT with his body being as a core. This is stating the fact whether or not Sasuke can even land it, which he can't without using core CT.


Multiple TBB is enough, regular TBB is not hurting his KA avatar. You should know what it is able to tank, a Juubi Laser for crying at loud back at BM mode which is WAY Below BSM, and Rikudou enhanced KM.

So naruto tanks his own attack. A tbb cant stop gravity so it's pointless. A brief shock wave could dely the incoming rocks for a second or two maybe thats all. Unless he destroy the core which is himself there is no way to fully counter this. Sasuke can also increase the narutos gravitational pull at will and if he puts his all into a ct like pain did. There is no telling how big it can be Or how strong the gravity will become but I'm guessing big. If sasuke makes a core and tries to pull naruto in naruto could easily break ct when naruto is the core it is impossible to escape.

 

[UltraPain]

TBB doesn't need a gravitational pull, it only needs an outward force that can buildup on the inward force, which is why it is multiple. The core doesn't have to be destroyed to stop the gravity if the person can use a strong enough force to stop it itself, which is why a normal CT with a core can be destroyed.

There are only two ways for Kurama (Kyuubi Mode Naruto) to break out of a CT:
I. Use a strong enough inward force to break the outward force
II. Turn off the Kurama Avatar which is being used as the core.

Again, the properties of an explosive blast are completely different than gravity. What if we lit off a bunch of nukes outside the earth's gravitational pull? What would it do? It wouldn't stop gravity at all.

 

[shadowcb]

I think you're viewing this backwards. The gravity is not coming from outside Kurama and then going towards him because gravity doesn't work that way. Gravity can't form in the middle of nowhere, it has to have a dense mass to generate from and attract smaller masses towards. Kurama is turned into the dense mass, which in turn makes all smaller masses attracted to him.

You do realize this is a fictional manga. It's no different than when Pain was repelling and attracting forces.

But like I keeping say look at the facts I provided. It shows Kurama can counter gravity jutsu.

 

[Ansatsuken]

lel at people pull their logic out of their ass regarding of destroying gravitational pull.

First was the person that created his own fact by saying CT core is not Kurama body but around Kurama. WTF

Kurama and Mazo body is the core itself, no other way around.

Second the person that said explotion or inward force to destroy gravity attraction.

You body is the core, thats mean you just attack and destroy the rock around you including your body but not the gravity core. You should die or your body need to be destroy to end the gravity pull completely.

If your body(core) still there, you still will attract rock around you because there are still exist the core of the gravity pull.

 

[shelke]

I think you're viewing this backwards. The gravity is not coming from outside Kurama and then going towards him because gravity doesn't work that way. Gravity can't form in the middle of nowhere, it has to have a dense mass to generate from and attract smaller masses towards. Kurama is turned into the dense mass, which in turn makes all smaller masses attracted to him.

I think this should end the thread. To put it in simple terms, Kurama basically turns into a mass that is generating a powerful 'Pull'. There is no outside source involved here providing Kurama with the leeway to generate enough force to break free of that 'Pull'. Take the example of air-crafts. They have to generate enough upward force to oppose the weight of its body and fly. It means the force needs to be opposed to allow the object to break free. How is Kurama accomplishing it when it's generating the force itself?

Don't tell me my facts are not relevant because it hurts your post. It's very important because both jutsu manipulates gravity. Just in two different ways. If the gravity was inside his body than it would implode on itself. So it's not. It surrounds his body. Kurama being the "core" just means if the jutsu is property executed he will be at the very center. Once again look at this scene -

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- what is shown? It shows Kurama counter gravity jutsu.

Assumptions that are not backed by manga. Gravity is an inward pull. Kurama would implode or not is a pointless argument. He is generating an inward pull and that's that. Just like Nagato's body becomes the epicenter of pull and push forces. None of it ever made his body implode. Let's get real here.

 

[UltraPain]

Don't tell me my facts are not relevant because it hurts your post. It's very important because both jutsu manipulates gravity. Just in two different ways. If the gravity was inside his body than it would implode on itself. So it's not. It surrounds his body. Kurama being the "core" just means if the jutsu is property executed he will be at the very center. Once again look at this scene -

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- what is shown? It shows Kurama counter gravity jutsu.

Kurama withstood the blast by putting his tails underground to anchor himself. The debris behind him was made by Pain's attack, not by Kurama.

An outward force (which Pain used) is not gravity. Gravity is an inward force. Kurama never displayed a gravity based tech.

 

[lndra]

Again, the properties of an explosive blast are completely different than gravity. What if we lit off a bunch of nukes outside the earth's gravitational pull? What would it do? It wouldn't stop gravity at all.

You are missing the point. Kurama being the core, means there is a gravitonal pull on himself, correct?

<<<<<< Pull on Kurama
Kurama <<<<<<<<<<
Kurama uses TBB using TBB in the arrow ">"
><<<<<<<<
>><<<<<<
>>>><<<<<

Understand? If the pull is on himself, then when he releases an outward force, the inward force is being pulled onto Kurama as-well. Meaning if he releases strong, and multiple attacks, it would be enough to counter the force being pulled on himself.

That or just turn off the avatar itself.

 

[BSK]

You still don't understand how the jutsu work. It's simple. The CT surrounds the target with gravity that creates an inward force. Kurama is not creating the gravity force. Sasuke manipulating the gravity surrounding Kurama and to counter it Kurama just need to create a stronger force.

If the gravity was inside the target than they would implode, but they don't.

If what you said was true that only thing that can overpower gravity is a larger source of gravity, than Kurama wouldn't have been able to counter Pain jutsu here -

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Both those jutsu manipulates gravity. Just in two different ways.

So you think naruto is capable of reversing his own gravitational pull?

 

[shadowcb]

lel at people pull their logic out of their ass regarding of destroying gravitational pull.

First was the person that created his own fact by saying CT core is not Kurama body but around Kurama. WTF

Kurama and Mazo body is the core itself, no other way around.

Second the person that said explotion or inward force to destroy gravity attraction.

You body is the core, thats mean you just attack and destroy the rock around you including your body but not the gravity core. You should die or your body need to be destroy to end the gravity pull completely.

If your body(core) still there, you still will attract rock around you because there are still exist the core of the gravity pull.

Kishi allowed Kurama to counter gravity. That means he can counter gravity. If you don't like it talk to Kishi.

 

[shadowcb]

Kurama withstood the blast by putting his tails underground to anchor himself. The debris behind him was made by Pain's attack, not by Kurama.

An outward force (which Pain used) is not gravity. Gravity is an inward force. Kurama never displayed a gravity based tech.

Let me change that Kurama is able to counter Deva jutsu that uses force. So that means he can counter force.

 

[redman476]

Of course naruto can break out why ask

 

[BSK]

You are missing the point. Kurama being the core, means there is a gravitonal pull on himself, correct?

<<<<<< Pull on Kurama
Kurama <<<<<<<<<<
Kurama uses TBB using TBB in the arrow ">"
><<<<<<<<
>><<<<<<
>>>><<<<<

Understand? If the pull is on himself, then when he releases an outward force, the inward force is being pulled onto Kurama as-well. Meaning if he releases strong, and multiple attacks, it would be enough to counter the force being pulled on himself.

That or just turn off the avatar itself.

Kurama is not controlling his gravity sasuke is, releasing tbb will do absolutely nothing except make a u-turn