BM Minato vs EMS Madara

[Draphsin]

Minato wins, he can bypass susanoo & has the speed to avoid all of madara's lethal attacks.

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

Hobi is the technique that took the blow, the one that tanked it. Mokujin is the construct that slammed TBB into v4 Susano'o. Your logic makes zero sense. Naruto slams Rasengans into targets. Mokujin TRIED to slam it but Madara stopped its momentum with his Susano'o blade --> TBB exploded ---> Hobi is used to tanked it. Ambivalence explained it better:

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TBB's explode and their blast range is huge. They don't need to be thrown at one exact place when all of 12 Evil Waltzs are directed at the same time in ONE construct. Hobi already tanked it so your opinion is completely irrelevant. You can throw a missile at an AFV heavily armoured car, it tanks it. Throw 12 missiles at the same time on it, you damage it. Simple logic.



Except your reasoning is beyond flawed.

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Zestu's Buddha arms with his bare hands
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from Zetsu's Buddha
-Karin damaged it with her fodder chains

Hashirama's constructs: 1- can catch biju damas, 2- tank biju damas 3- lift Kurama with one arm

Yet they have the same strength and the only difference is size?! Get out of here.

I understand that the blast from TBB is huge and even without hitting the exact same spot, the overlapping damage radius essentially acts like they were hitting the same spot. But I'm not sure that applies to hashirama's buddha. Look at the size of that thing. It easily dwarfs mountains. And that is an understatement.

From this image, it looks like the volume of the budha statue, just the part with the arms even, can fit many mountains.

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And look at a TBB susanoo sword tech madara threw initially, It's pretty much the size of a mountain.

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You can see it's the size of a mountain in the bottom right panel. So I think hashirama's buddha is so large that the 12 TBB damage raduis wouldn't overlap.

So the hobi thing is the dome, now i see. But it seems like a tech specially for defense. Probably reenforced. Kurama was able to tank juubi's TBB beam by wrapping his tails around him, that doesn't mean his entire body is as durable as when his tails are wrapped together for defense. So maybe some mokuton tech can tank TBB, but they would be purely defensive tech. The buddha statue however is an offensive tech and as i've shown bits of it can get destroyed by a single TBB.

 

[I'm stupid real stupid]

Hobi =

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.

Mokujin =

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. Two entirely different things.

Sorry didn't mean to dislike it

OT - Could go either way

 

[Gold Lightning]

lol. Rinnegan madara is not the same tier as sage hashirama. madara absoluteley wrecks him. Even without ninetails. Madara would have had normal PS. Kyuubi added nothing to his arsenal in that fight to be honest. Personally, I thought normal PS would have been way more effective.


PS >>>> Kurama

If Hashirama wrecks RINNEGAN Madara, then why did Hashirama have a dozen black rods in his back?

Their fight as Edo's was a stalemate. Hashirama binded Madara with his wood dragon and gates, meanwhile Madara had already impaled Hashirama several times, which later completely restricted his movements. If they were both alive, Hashirama would have suffered from the pain of all those rods in his back. So don't belittle Rinnegan Madara, he certainly does not get wrecked against Hashirama.

 

[Izanamı.]

I understand that the blast from TBB is huge and even without hitting the exact same spot, the overlapping damage radius essentially acts like they were hitting the same spot. But I'm not sure that applies to hashirama's buddha. Look at the size of that thing. It easily dwarfs mountains. And that is an understatement.

From this image, it looks like the volume of the budha statue, just the part with the arms even, can fit many mountains.

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And look at a TBB susanoo sword tech madara threw initially, It's pretty much the size of a mountain.

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biju damas, not one ..or two.. and each of them have the power to evaporate mountains into nothingness. Coupled with the fact that they are also infused with PS slashes which themselves have the power to split apart mountain. So you have 12 mountain buster attacks infused with 12 mountain splitters. And full Kurama's standard biju damas are twice as large as

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Though not all mountains are the same size.

That's some serious firepower there. One of the biggest if not the biggest in the manga outside of Rikudo enhanced techniques.

You can see it's the size of a mountain in the bottom right panel. So I think hashirama's buddha is so large that the 12 TBB damage raduis wouldn't overlap.

What you think is irrelevant when it goes against to everything that was shown in the manga. Manga shows 12 mountain buster attacks vs Choju Kebutsu. The attacks are

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and Chojo Kebutsu also produced enough power to bust Madara's PS. If two attacks are equal and a construct takes as much damage as the other construct this means their durability is on par despite Buddha being bigger. Period.

So the hobi thing is the dome, now i see. But it seems like a tech specially for defense. Probably reenforced. Kurama was able to tank juubi's TBB beam by wrapping his tails around him, that doesn't mean his entire body is as durable as when his tails are wrapped together for defense. So maybe some mokuton tech can tank TBB, but they would be purely defensive tech. The buddha statue however is an offensive tech and as i've shown bits of it can get destroyed by a single TBB.

Being a tech especially for defence doesn't mean Buddha is inferior in durability especially when it's SM enhanced. And there's the fact that it took an attack which is EQUAL to what destroyed PS to inflict damage on it so whatever assumptions you make up, it doesn't change the fact that Chojo Kebutsu=12 Evil Waltz. Why would Hashirama use something weaker to protect and attack at the same time? PS and Buddha took attacks that are equally powerful with the same amount of damage (and those were only the arms of the construct). Buddha>= Madara's PS >>> Hobi by feats in durability unless you think Hobi can tank 12 biju damas w/o taking damage. Get real.

 

[KeyofDestiny]

PS wouldn't stalemate mokujin at its largest. I think madara controls the size. Look at this pic. This is PS unstabilized. and thats just the head to maybe mid chest region. By scaling,his largest PS would be about 4 times the size of kurama.

PS canonically stated Mokujin at it's largest. Lmao. There goes your opinion.

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I already know that PS dwarfs Kurama. Doesn't change anything I've stated.

But my argument was he would have been better off using PS alone and kurama fighting by it's side. If they had fought separately, kurama would have obliterated the arms of buddha statue and would have been put to sleep.

You said that PS alone is more effective. Lmao. That is false. Just like them fighting separate is less effective. If they fought separately, SS would've caught any Bijuu Dama Kurama made, and then put it to sleep. Then it would've shat on PS. Are you even reading the Manga? Madara clearly stated that the PS blades were the thing stopping him from catching it. Nothing else.

The Buddha without arms would have been wrecked by PS. Because it took a ton of buddha arms to even remove the PS armor from madara.
What madara did, though cool was the least effective option.

No, it was the most effective option and it only takes 2% of the human brain's power to realize that. Stop arguing that PS is more effective than PS and Kurama. It makes you sound foolish.

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

If Hashirama wrecks RINNEGAN Madara, then why did Hashirama have a dozen black rods in his back?

Their fight as Edo's was a stalemate. Hashirama binded Madara with his wood dragon and gates, meanwhile Madara had already impaled Hashirama several times, which later completely restricted his movements. If they were both alive, Hashirama would have suffered from the pain of all those rods in his back. So don't belittle Rinnegan Madara, he certainly does not get wrecked against Hashirama.

i did say madara absolutely wrecks him.

 

[KeyofDestiny]

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That head and those hands are the size of Full Kurama. According to this panel, the Bijuu Dama are roughly the same size as the head and the hands.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Make it Edo Madara, Minato stills wins this.​

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[Blunt]

Minato wins here.

 

[Eng nawashi]

By your logic, full kurama is 5x bigger an every other Bijuu Lol. Every Bijuu is the same size. Kurama is not the Juubi, he isn't bigger than ever other tailed beast, they're all roughly the same height.

Like beansandcornbread said ,you ignore the fact that half kuarma is nearl as big as the other bijus.

 

[Raykyryn]

Minato wins comfortably..

 

[Gold Lightning]

Like beansandcornbread said ,you ignore the fact that half kuarma is nearl as big as the other bijus.

Nearly? He is the same height as the rest of them

 

[Mad Titan Thanos]

Minato takes this

 

[Eng nawashi]

:lol I guess you're ignoring the fact that HALF Kurama is as big as the other bijuu? You're both wrong Full Kurama is twice as big as normal bijuu.

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scan showes that Kuarma got about 5x smaller when minato sealed the yang half .based on what you think full kuarma is just 2x bigger than half kuarma?

 

[Eng nawashi]

:lol I guess you're ignoring the fact that HALF Kurama is as big as the other bijuu? You're both wrong Full Kurama is twice as big as normal bijuu.

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scan showes that Kuarma got at the very lest 5x smaller when minato sealed the yang half .
based on what you think full kuarma is just 2x bigger than half kuarma?

 

[Eng nawashi]

Nearly? He is
he same height as the rest of them

Yes ,they have the same height ,i used nearly spontaneously

 

[Saiyan Kammy]

Easy win for Minato.