BM Minato vs EMS Madara

[KeyofDestiny]

lol. Rinnegan madara is not the same tier as sage hashirama. madara absoluteley wrecks him. Even without ninetails. Madara would have had normal PS. Kyuubi added nothing to his arsenal in that fight to be honest. Personally, I thought normal PS would have been way more effective.


PS >>>> Kurama

Because PS and Kurama together is weaker and less effective than Kurama alone.

Smh.

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

Because PS and Kurama together is weaker and less effective than Kurama alone.

Smh.

No. I'm saying it's less effective than normal PS.

all kurama brings to the table is TBB. PS around kurama is kurama size. If he had used normal PS he would have been same size as hashirama buddha and had more of a chance. He would have simply forgone TBB which really had little effect in that fight. Meanwhile normal PS sword slash is just as destructive as TBB. So yeah, in a way, kurama + susaoo < normal PS.

Or he should have used PS on it's own and had kurama fight beside him. After all, he had him under genjutsu. That would have been a wiser tactic.

 

[Red Slayer]

PS >>>> Kurama

manga-doesnt-agrees...

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

manga-doesnt-agrees...

lol. How so?

 

[Ambivalence]

PS >>>> Kurama

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only by losing some tails, PS slashes aren't doing anything to 100% Kurama's tails, plus how do you think PS would tank

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at least twice the size of the one in that scan?

 

[Red Slayer]

lol. How so?

read-it-and-u-will-understand...

 

[KeyofDestiny]

No. I'm saying it's less effective than normal PS.

It's not. That's almost impossible, and it's literally impossible in this particular scenario.

all kurama brings to the table is TBB.

Yeah, which is only one of the strongest moves in the entire Manga.

PS around kurama is kurama size.

Yup.

If he had used normal PS he would have been same size as hashirama buddha and had more of a chance.

Pls read the Manga. PS is as big as a Mountain. Shinsuusenju dwarfs them. Not to mention it being as big as SS doesn't change the fact that SS would obliterate it, nor does it change the fact that it took 12 BD blades to put the Buddha's offense out of commission. Unless you are telling PS can replicate the firepower of PS AND Kurama combined, then there is no argument. He stands no chance.

Hell. His PS was stalemating with Hashirama's Mokujin, which is a tier below SS.

He would have simply forgone TBB which really had little effect in that fight.

Because destroying the arms of SS is "a little effect".

Meanwhile normal PS sword slash is just as destructive as TBB. So yeah, in a way, kurama + susaoo < normal PS.

Uh, no. You should slap yourself for even making this post.

Or he should have used PS on it's own and had kurama fight beside him. After all, he had him under genjutsu. That would have been a wiser tactic.

That'd be stupid. Lol. PS was the only thing saving Kurama from being bound and put to sleep. PS was the only thing stopping it's attacks from being caught. As for PS itself, Kurama's firepower is the only reason it wasn't raped w/o doing any significant damage.

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

It's not. That's almost impossible, and it's literally impossible in this particular scenario.



Yeah, which is only one of the strongest moves in the entire Manga.



Yup.



Pls read the Manga. PS is as big as a Mountain. Shinsuusenju dwarfs them. Not to mention it being as big as SS doesn't change the fact that SS would obliterate it, nor does it change the fact that it took 12 BD blades to put the Buddha's offense out of commission. Unless you are telling PS can replicate the firepower of PS AND Kurama combined, then there is no argument. He stands no chance.

Hell. His PS was stalemating with Hashirama's Mokujin, which is a tier below SS.



Because destroying the arms of SS is "a little effect".



Uh, no. You should slap yourself for even making this post.



That'd be stupid. Lol. PS was the only thing saving Kurama from being bound and put to sleep. PS was the only thing stopping it's attacks from being caught. As for PS itself, Kurama's firepower is the only reason it wasn't raped w/o doing any significant damage.

PS wouldn't stalemate mokujin at its largest. I think madara controls the size. Look at this pic. This is PS unstabilized. and thats just the head to maybe mid chest region. By scaling,his largest PS would be about 4 times the size of kurama.

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But true hashirama's buddha would still dwarf it.

But my argument was he would have been better off using PS alone and kurama fighting by it's side. If they had fought separately, kurama would have obliterated the arms of buddha statue and would have been put to sleep.

The Buddha without arms would have been wrecked by PS. Because it took a ton of buddha arms to even remove the PS armor from madara.
What madara did, though cool was the least effective option.

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only by losing some tails, PS slashes aren't doing anything to 100% Kurama's tails, plus how do you think PS would tank

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at least twice the size of the one in that scan?

The only things that PS armor can't tank so far are kaguya level attacks and barrage of buddha arms punches. And those things are huge. While the 12 TBB are destrunctive. buddha statue is just that, a statue. It's made of wood. Every single one of those TBB did some damage on the statue, and because it's so huge, 12 were needed. In comparison, PS has already shown it can tank a TBB bomb neg diff. So it has the better armour. And kurama tanking the juubi laser is something. But as you've seen, he actually has to be actively defending in order to do it and is prone to losing limbs in the process. PS armour is all round. No need to really defend.

 

[Izanamı.]

While the 12 TBB are destrunctive. buddha statue is just that, a statue. It's made of stone.

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[UchihasRightfulHeir]

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lol. is that wrong?

 

[Ambivalence]

Shisuusenju is made of stone? The hell? :lol

 

[Izanamı.]

lol. is that wrong?

Obviously lmao.

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Sage Art: Wood Release: Veritable 1000-Armed Kan'on , the user releases a tremendous amount of natural energy from their body into the atmosphere to create a giant buddha statue, which they can then control with wood release. It's a jutsu capable of doing battle with a tailed beast. Its many arms can also be used to "judge" the opponent by unleashing a massive barrage of palm strikes

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

Obviously lmao.

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So the statue is made of wood? Hmm. I just thought it was a sage tech. That hardly changes what I was trying to say. Wood gets destroyed equally the same way.

 

[Izanamı.]

So the statue is made of wood? Hmm. I just thought it was a sage tech. That hardly changes what I was trying to say. Wood gets destroyed equally the same way.

If only Mokuton was regular wood. When you show me feats of regular wood tanking biju damas like nothing then you can talk about Mokuton being just wood. And Buddha is as durable as PS at the bare minimum.

 

[Conspirator.]

Madara wins.

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

If only Mokuton was regular wood. When you show me feats of regular wood tanking biju damas like nothing then you can talk about Mokuton being just wood. And Buddha is as durable as PS at the bare minimum.

Budha statue is wood. Wood has been shown in this manga to be just that Wood only with some yang properties. special techniques are wood dragon, cuz it absorbs chakra. mokujin, cuz it's so huge and seems to be able to hold TBB and buddha cuz it's super huge. TBB still destroys it like its a normal statue. Naruto has been shown to destroy wood with just rasengan. Karin destroyed part of the mini budha with chakra chains. It's wood. PS is a chakra construct. So I really wouldn't say mokuton is as strong as it is. It really depends on the mokuton tech in question. But yeah the buddha structure is very durable, but that's only because of the sheer size of the thing.

 

[Izanamı.]

Budha statue is wood. Wood has been shown in this manga to be just that Wood only with some yang properties. special techniques are wood dragon, cuz it absorbs chakra. mokujin, cuz it's so huge and seems to be able to hold TBB and buddha cuz it's super huge. TBB still destroys it like its a normal statue. Naruto has been shown to destroy wood with just rasengan. Karin destroyed part of the mini budha with chakra chains. It's wood. PS is a chakra construct. So I really wouldn't say mokuton is as strong as it is. It really depends on the mokuton tech in question. But yeah the buddha structure is very durable, but that's only because of the sheer size of the thing.

Wow.. smfh..

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which is base Mokuton tech

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. If Hobi which is a base Mokuton tech can tank a biju dama like nothing imagine what a SM Mokuton enhanced construct such as Buddha could do. Hopefully, I don't need to remind you that 12 Biju dama >>>>> 1 Biju dama.

PS is a chakra construct. So I really wouldn't say mokuton is as strong as it is. It really depends on the mokuton tech in question. But yeah the buddha structure is very durable, but that's only because of the sheer size of the thing.

These are feats far batter than regular wood. And no being big isn't a reason why 12 TBB + PS slashes were needed just to destroy its hands. Mokujin was strong enough in physical strength to hold biju dama with its hand. Being big has almost nothing to do with it.

My friend is fatter and taller than me. Yet I can lift more weight than him. It's physical strength not size that has to do with it.
12 Evil Waltz that were used to destroy half of Buddha would shit on Madara's PS with 0 difficulty. A missile would blow up a van, yet a heavily armoured anti tanked SUV would tank most the explosion. Nothing to do with size.

Chojo Kebutsu=12 Evil Waltz Madara lost his PS, Shin Senju lost the majority of it's arms. So no it's not just wood and PS isn't more durable than Shin Senju.

Karin destroyed part of the mini budha with chakra chains. It's wood.

It's funny you think inferior Mokuton users have anywhere near the strength of Hashirama's constructs.

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

Wow.. smfh..

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which is base Mokuton tech

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. If Hobi which is a base Mokuton tech can tank a biju dama like nothing imagine what a SM Mokuton enhanced construct such as Buddha could do. Hopefully, I don't need to remind you that 12 Biju dama >>>>> 1 Biju dama.





These are feats far batter than regular wood. And no being big isn't a reason why 12 TBB + PS slashes were needed just to destroy its hands. Mokujin was strong enough in physical strength to hold biju dama with its hand. Being big has almost nothing to do with it.

My friend is fatter and taller than me. Yet I can lift more weight than him. It's physical strength not size that has to do with it.
12 Evil Waltz that were used to destroy half of Buddha would shit on Madara's PS with 0 difficulty. A missile would blow up a van, yet a heavily armoured anti tanked SUV would tank most the explosion. Nothing to do with size.

Chojo Kebutsu=12 Evil Waltz Madara lost his PS, Shin Senju lost the majority of it's arms. So no it's not just wood and PS isn't more durable than Shin Senju.



It's funny you think inferior Mokuton users have anywhere near the strength of Hashirama's constructs.

Hobi or whatever it's called was the one dealing the damage, That can't really be used as an example of tanking. It's like saying naruto tanks rasengan.

If you look, the 12 TBB where not directed at the exact place. That's because hashirama's buddha statue is so bloody huge. I'm saying all twelve of them hit different spots and dealt damage at their individual locations which was enough to destroy all the buddha arms. So technically, the wood doesn't tank a bijuu dama.

I'm not saying mini buddha is the same as hashirama's, I'm just using it as an example of what can damage it. The only difference I see between them is the size of hashirama's buddha statue. This is probably cuz he uses sage mode to summon it.

 

[Ambivalence]

Hobi =

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Mokujin =

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[Izanamı.]

Hobi or whatever it's called was the one dealing the damage, That can't really be used as an example of tanking. It's like saying naruto tanks rasengan.

Hobi is the technique that took the blow, the one that tanked it.

Using Wood Release, the user creates a dome-like defensive structure that completely surrounds which takes the form of a dragon's face. This defence is split down the middle and can be opened on the user's command. It is strong enough to withstand the destructive force of a Tailed Beast Ball.

Mokujin is the construct that slammed TBB into v4 Susano'o. Your logic makes zero sense. Naruto slams Rasengans into targets. Mokujin TRIED to slam it but Madara stopped its momentum with his Susano'o blade --> TBB exploded ---> Hobi is used to tank it. Ambivalence explained it better:

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If you look, the 12 TBB where not directed at the exact place. That's because hashirama's buddha statue is so bloody huge. I'm saying all twelve of them hit different spots and dealt damage at their individual locations which was enough to destroy all the buddha arms. So technically, the wood doesn't tank a bijuu dama.

TBB's explode and their blast range is huge. They don't need to be thrown at one exact place when all of 12 Evil Waltzs are directed at the same time in ONE construct. Hobi already tanked it so your opinion is completely irrelevant. You can throw a missile at an AFV heavily armoured car, it tanks it. Throw 12 missiles at the same time on it, you damage it. Simple logic.

I'm not saying mini buddha is the same as hashirama's, I'm just using it as an example of what can damage it. The only difference I see between them is the size of hashirama's buddha statue. This is probably cuz he uses sage mode to summon it.

Except your reasoning is beyond flawed.

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Zestu's Buddha arms with his bare hands
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from Zetsu's Buddha
-Karin damaged it with her fodder chains

Hashirama's constructs: 1- can catch biju damas, 2- tank biju damas 3- lift Kurama with one arm

Yet they have the same strength and the only difference is size?! Get out of here.