THE WAR ON MEN: 10 Ways Masculinity is Under Attack

[Yubel]

What does this have to do with the law? Your soon to be sister in law made mistakes. I'm not saying the man was right, but she definitely was not right either. Just because he pushed her, does not give her the right to punch him. That's why she lost her kids. Don't blame the legal system for her faults.

And to explain why parts of the legal system is against men.

When a husband and wife get a divorce, the wife will almost always get the children, half the man's money, and a number of other things. If a man claims rape he is not taken seriously. If a woman claims rape, any man she names is guilty until he proves his innocence(rape kit). If a man claims domestic abuse, he is not taken seriously. If a woman claims domestic abuse, the man is usually guilty until he proves his innocence.

Those are a few examples.

It appears I'm not needed.

 

[~WastelandSociety~]

What does this have to do with the law? Your soon to be sister in law made mistakes. I'm not saying the man was right, but she definitely was not right either. Just because he pushed her, does not give her the right to punch him. That's why she lost her kids. Don't blame the legal system for her faults.

And to explain why parts of the legal system is against men.

When a husband and wife get a divorce, the wife will almost always get the children, half the man's money, and a number of other things. If a man claims rape he is not taken seriously. If a woman claims rape, any man she names is guilty until he proves his innocence(rape kit). If a man claims domestic abuse, he is not taken seriously. If a woman claims domestic abuse, the man is usually guilty until he proves his innocence.

Those are a few examples.

She made the mistake in going there,that I will agree.

But if the men starts a fight when he claimed he just wanted to be civil about it and repeatedly pushing her till she fell then she has all rights to defend her self.
Though that's what he wanted to do and he got his way in the end of that.

You may be on the train of everything is against men.
But from what I've seen from multiple divorce cases in the few states I've lived it works both way pretty much.

Though there are a few states that are for women but in others both parties in the failed relationship can screw over the other by the amount of records to show off. Rather it's true or not.

A lot of men in Indiana are doing this.
And what screwed my soon to be sister in law over the most now is the fact the lawyer hardly did anything for her and the gets up and quit.

The guy isn't treating the kids right and even the kids wants to live their mother but yet their words don't matter.

Also I have a friend I know who works in my department that has four kids and she lost them over the fact she worked on second shift.

While the guy doesn't even work,on welfare,and was able to get the house instead of her.
He now got a girlfriend he is marrying the last I heard.
While my friend currently just lost her home and was forced to move back to her parents house.
She had to change shift to continue fighting for her kids

If you don't think that's messed up and still think women gets everything then you are traveling done the wrong road and need to head back to reality.

Like I said it works both ways.

When it comes to:
Women can screw over men by false information, even though the men is the better parent,etc.
Men can screw over women by false information,etc.

 

[Multiply]

She made the mistake in going there,that I will agree.

But if the men starts a fight when he claimed he just wanted to be civil about it and repeatedly pushing her till she fell then she has all rights to defend her self.
Though that's what he wanted to do and he got his way in the end of that.

She doesn't have the right to hit him. She has the right to call the police to let them sort it out.

You may be on the train of everything is against men.
But from what I've seen from multiple divorce cases in the few states I've lived it works both way pretty much.

I never said everything is against men.

If you don't think that's messed up and still think women gets everything then you are traveling done the wrong road and need to head back to reality.

You're basing your argument off of one case. I'm basing mine off of facts in society Lol.

 

[Trap Queen]

Woah, that's actually pretty scary IF true.

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

How is this remotely true? What does it even mean to be masculine? Liking the color blue and doing tough things, lol.

If masculinity is under attack it's only because this generation (including myself) live in the comfort era. We are spoiled sissies who avoid hard work. There is no conspiracy there.

 

[paratise]

She doesn't have the right to hit him. She has the right to call the police to let them sort it out.

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Being hypocritical eh?
You think any woman who assaults a man shold take a hit back but if a woman takes a hit she just gotta call the police... Those men could call the police but noo they can hit.

Liking this thread shows that you need to check your train of thoughts if you are serious.

My mother did not even get a divorce till we all grew up because she new my father would take all of us ifhe wanted, w/o showing us to her. But he pretty much knows we will live in city with mom, because he knows she can give better care even we are adults except for youngest sibling. That is the choice and idea of one of the most possesive men did. Don't act like men themselves do not do this choice.

Also this is related to gender roles: men being the financial pillar of gender spectrum. Men are seen to be the one who is suppose to be main financial support even in first dates it is expected that man to pay for their date. Men on average have higher income so when divorce happens they pay more to their partners. If i was a millionire and we were to get married and divorce for obvious reasons you think legal system would take your money? Also women have less working hours (related to less income) so they are inclined to spend more time with kids.

Not to mention the social idea of women being "nurturing" side of gender spectrum. That is right there femininity and gender role; taking care of the child, being the caring/nurturing parent is the feminine thing. According to society's gender roles it is always the women who change the diapers, feed the baby, go to shopping for kid, making food for home, cleaning stuff up etc. So system gives side to the person who they believe them to be caring to the house and kid instead of the guy who works outside by norms.

Really you guys are crying about losing masculanity and imbalance in divorce system at the same time while now knowing the same gender roles which made "masculine" and "feminine" are causing the supposed imbalance. You guys are something else...

 

[Avani]

And who told you women didn't do heavy labor according to their capacity? Working in closed environment many of them were the first to rise and start working and last to sleep. No rest during the day for their was always something to do.

Not all. Working in front of the old fashioned ovens in closed quarters was no good to health either. Besides death rate in child birth was high enough. Women's health was often neglected and many ailments were ignored on regular basis. Even the studies you quoted in Op lacked sufficient research on the effect of those chemicals on women. And we are talking modern era. Even now try to find out female specific problems resulting from many of the harmonal problems and most data comes from study on males. That should give you a hint.

Parada system kept women so confined that many of them couldn't even get to enjoy sunlight properly.

Not to forget the practice of chastity belt in some countries and things like female circumcision, and Chinese iron shoes crippling women for life. Some of these practices are still on.



Lives of women were worth less than men- female foeticide is still a major issue. Funny that you even mention it.

Did you forget Honour killing - don't even start me on this topic.




If woman wasn't accomplished in so called feminine skills she would be judged too. On top of it they were considered worthless despite doing work all day long if they couldn't bear a child. For it was one skill where performing was must for her.

Women often had to suffer social taboo if they failed on this count. Even if the husband was the reason why she didn't have child. Many men still won't get themselves checked that easily if wife doesn't conceive. They get angry at doctors for making suggestion. In fact in some societies it was supposed to be her duty to take the blame herself and give husband the clean chit on the count.

They have been more readily traded than a male slave by his owner. Owner gave a lot more money for their prized male slaves and didn't trade them as easily as men in many countries trade their women from their harems.



So even you couldn't deny at least half of it.



I countered your argument of or whatever it was. More than that it was beside the point. I am not sure whether you deliberately missed mine or it was just not clear enough to you. You have given me an essay about slavery but you are dodging the real question.I didn't want to compare the sob story of women and slaves.

You asked me what men gained from feminism. I asked you what slave owners got when they freed slaves. Answer just that if you can.

Back then and still now men do most of the heavy labor. They also do all the dangerous labor to this day, 93% of workplace deaths are men, 94% of workplace suicides are men(see nr.4). Men can get honor killed too. Also I wasn't trying to deny women's gender roles. As you can see from these points, they evolved naturally(women do the home, men do the heavy labor) it's not merely a social construct as a feminist would claim.

You claimed women's liberation was comparable to black slavery and I proved you wrong, that's what this is about and in doing so I managed to discovered that women were never inferior to men as much as we think. I did ask what feminism did for men, the fact that you had to ask another question lets me know it did nothing which discredits what they claim to stand for which is gender equality.

Exactly how did you prove it and where can I find that post? All I see you avoiding the simple question.

You asked me what men gained from feminism. I asked you what slave owners got when they freed slaves. Answer just that if you can.

Seeing that it's the third time I am asking and you posted two replies , one pretty long but no answer to that question, I am going to assume you realized how badly you tripped yourself when you asked what men gain from giving females rights.

On the side note, the way you describe slavery one would think only strong African males were slaves ever and they were hired only for dangerous jobs but if they were hired only for menial works no matter how malnutritioned, living in poor working condition, lack of medical care or any mobility or right , it would have been fine.

 

[Multiply]

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Being hypocritical eh?
You think any woman who assaults a man shold take a hit back but if a woman takes a hit she just gotta call the police... Those men could call the police but noo they can hit.

Liking this thread shows that you need to check your train of thoughts if you are serious.

If you do or say something, do not be surprised by the reaction. You put your hands on someone and they knock you out, don't wake up asking why they did it. You put your hands on someone and they blow your ass away with a gun, don't wake up in the hospital asking why they did it. Take your L and keep it moving.

Everything you say and do has a reaction. Whether that be negative or positive is on you. If you say some disrespectful shit, you need to be prepared to take that ass whooping.

-sigh-

Apparently you didn't understand what I was saying. The reaction does not have to be legal. It depends on the individual on how they'll react. In this case the man took the L and kept it moving. He pushed his girlfriend and she punched him in the face. What did he do with that L? Turned it into a W by taking his kids.

As for what happened. I said she should have called the police, because hitting the man obviously resulted in her losing her kids. If she called the police and the man was taken to jail for putting his hands on her, she would never have lost her kids.

I would give the exact same advice to the man had the roles been reversed. Don't act like you know my opinions Lol. The reason I say women need to be afraid of a man hitting them back is because of the above. Don't be surprised by anyone's reaction. Don't be surprised if you piss someone off and they hit you. Does that make it legal for them to hit you? Of course not. However, don't get off the ground surprised and start screaming that you got hit.

My mother did not even get a divorce till we all grew up because she new my father would take all of us ifhe wanted, w/o showing us to her. But he pretty much knows we will live in city with mom, because he knows she can give better care even we are adults except for youngest sibling. That is the choice and idea of one of the most possesive men did. Don't act like men themselves do not do this choice.

I never said that they did not do things like this...

Also this is related to gender roles: men being the financial pillar of gender spectrum. Men are seen to be the one who is suppose to be main financial support even in first dates it is expected that man to pay for their date. Men on average have higher income so when divorce happens they pay more to their partners. If i was a millionire and we were to get married and divorce for obvious reasons you think legal system would take your money? Also women have less working hours (related to less income) so they are inclined to spend more time with kids.

You really don't understand what I'm saying here.

Not to mention the social idea of women being "nurturing" side of gender spectrum. That is right there femininity and gender role; taking care of the child, being the caring/nurturing parent is the feminine thing. According to society's gender roles it is always the women who change the diapers, feed the baby, go to shopping for kid, making food for home, cleaning stuff up etc. So system gives side to the person who they believe them to be caring to the house and kid instead of the guy who works outside by norms.

Which is wrong... You killed your own argument that men aren't treated differently in some aspects of the legal system with this paragraph.

Really you guys are crying about losing masculanity and imbalance in divorce system at the same time while now knowing the same gender roles which made "masculine" and "feminine" are causing the supposed imbalance. You guys are something else...

So it is the man's fault for masculine and feminine labels? I can't be upset that a random woman can claim I raped her, and I'll be arrested and be forced to prove my innocence? I can't be upset that my wife can take half of my income from me because she's 'accustomed' to a certain lifestyle? These are the injustices I'm talking about.

 

[Seventh Sama]

I don't completely agree with this but western feminism isn't really needed.

 

[Yubel]

Exactly how did you prove it and where can I find that post? All I see you avoiding the simple question.

You asked me what men gained from feminism. I asked you what slave owners got when they freed slaves. Answer just that if you can.

Seeing that it's the third time I am asking and you posted two replies , one pretty long but no answer to that question, I am going to assume you realized how badly you tripped yourself when you asked what men gain from giving females rights.

On the side note, the way you describe slavery one would think only strong African males were slaves ever and they were hired only for dangerous jobs but if they were hired only for menial works no matter how malnutritioned, living in poor working condition, lack of medical care or any mobility or right , it would have been fine.

To answer your question I would need to assume you would use it for women which I don't agree with. That said, freeing slaves only meant less resources and more competition for white people but their freedom was well deserved. What they achieved was true equality without any corrupt schemes to try put down white people etc.

 

[paratise]

-sigh-

Apparently you didn't understand what I was saying. The reaction does not have to be legal. It depends on the individual on how they'll react. In this case the man took the L and kept it moving. He pushed his girlfriend and she punched him in the face. What did he do with that L? Turned it into a W by taking his kids.

As for what happened. I said she should have called the police, because hitting the man obviously resulted in her losing her kids. If she called the police and the man was taken to jail for putting his hands on her, she would never have lost her kids.

I would give the exact same advice to the man had the roles been reversed. Don't act like you know my opinions Lol. The reason I say women need to be afraid of a man hitting them back is because of the above. Don't be surprised by anyone's reaction. Don't be surprised if you piss someone off and they hit you. Does that make it legal for them to hit you? Of course not. However, don't get off the ground surprised and start screaming that you got hit.

You said she was at fault..:|

What does this have to do with the law? Your soon to be sister in law made mistakes. I'm not saying the man was right, but she definitely was not right either. Just because he pushed her, does not give her the right to punch him. That's why she lost her kids. Don't blame the legal system for her faults

Yet you post a video on that thread how it is gender equality to men hitting women.

The guy did not take the L and kept it moving , he made something out of it, your words. It is about the language you use, i am not a mind reader. When it comes to women your "consequences" stop when a woman hits a man and gets the hit back. But when a man hits a woman first then gets a hit back your consequences stop when she gets the legal charges. I can base off my arguements on what you type not what you think.

I never said that they did not do things like this...

Twas just an example. Most women i know who had decent divorces or pursued to do so had their own jobs, if not they were very hesitant. They can not get a decent lawyer with their non existent money or can't say much if the husband wants to keep them.

You really don't understand what I'm saying here.

Do tell.

Which is wrong... You killed your own argument that men aren't treated differently in some aspects of the legal system with this paragraph.

I have not said there was no different treatment though, when did i say that? Legal system =/= judges' bias btw.

So it is the man's fault for masculine and feminine labels?

Ummm when did i blame men for this? Gender roles are made and supported by humans; these roles cater to men for the most part but that does not mean it does not harm them at all. I made two paragraphs explaining why it harms men. But supporting gender roles and concepts of masculanity while ignoring the fact that these gender roles support these bias and injustices is either ignorant or hypocritical.

I can't be upset that a random woman can claim I raped her, and I'll be arrested and be forced to prove my innocence?

This goes for crimes in general as far as i know if there is a suspect they will be questioned. It is same since kindergarten if a classmate points at you to teacher for stealing their candybar teacher would ask if you stole it or not. Or else criminals will be roaming around, as people can not make astral time travels to see if someone committed a crime or not.

I can't be upset that my wife can take half of my income from me because she's 'accustomed' to a certain lifestyle? These are the injustices I'm talking about.

Chances are it will be because she has no or less income. Same thing would happen if she would have higher income and you had less or none.

 

[Callypigia]

Whatever; It's easier to be a man, stop crying. Even America had a black male president chosen over a white female. Most respect to black females.

 

[Ldude]

This thread is retarded. The existence of feminine boys is not a threat to masculinity. And who the **** cares about sperm count?

 

[Yubel]

This thread is retarded. The existence of feminine boys is not a threat to masculinity. And who the **** cares about sperm count?

Degenerates might not care but I do, less sperm count per generation will mean less likelihood of pregancies which could threaten entire humanity. Also having less sperm count than you ought makes you feel like less of a man, call it insecurity or whatever. I expect that response from a feminine boy

 

[Ldude]

Degenerates might not care but I do, less sperm count per generation will mean less likelihood of pregancies which could threaten entire humanity. Also having less sperm count than you ought makes you feel like less of a man, call it insecurity or whatever. I expect that response from a feminine boy

Humanity is gonna die out long before sperm reduction becomes an issue. I wouldn't consider it a threat at all. Okay...calling me feminine. You got a point here or something? You still haven't told me why that's a problem. And of course you're gonna feel insecure about your manhood when you demonize anything remotely feminine.

 

[Yubel]

Humanity is gonna die out long before sperm reduction becomes an issue. I wouldn't consider it a threat at all. Okay...calling me feminine. You got a point here or something? You still haven't told me why that's a problem. And of course you're gonna feel insecure about your manhood when you demonize anything remotely feminine.

I'm not demonizing, I'm just speaking facts, feminine boys aren't masculine. When majority of men in western countries become pussified beta males then we got a problem and anyone who won't admit that is part of the problem. I personally like to be all that I can be and I'm sure others feel the same way. Why men being feminine is encouraged is beyond me. You might think "aslong as it doesn't hurt you it's fine" but then why're you so opposed to anything masculine and try to redefine it? Is that a problem?

 

[Ldude]

I'm not demonizing, I'm just speaking facts, feminine boys aren't masculine. When majority of men in western countries become pussified beta males then we got a problem and anyone who won't admit that is part of the problem. I personally like to be all that I can be and I'm sure others feel the same way. Why men being feminine is encouraged is beyond me. You might think "aslong as it doesn't hurt you it's fine" but then why're you so opposed to anything masculine and try to redefine it? Is that a problem?

I'm not opposed to masculinity. I'm opposed to saying that allowing feminine males to be comfortable with themselves is bad. Not everyone is going to be the same way, and I think that should just be accepted. And wtf are you on about with men in western countries being "pussified beta males?"
I don't care about the definition of masculinity and I don't want to change it (dunno where you got that from.) But not everyone needs to fit a stereotype of being some macho masculine man.

 

[Yubel]

I'm not opposed to masculinity. I'm opposed to saying that allowing feminine males to be comfortable with themselves is bad. Not everyone is going to be the same way, and I think that should just be accepted. And wtf are you on about with men in western countries being "pussified beta males?"
I don't care about the definition of masculinity and I don't want to change it (dunno where you got that from.) But not everyone needs to fit a stereotype of being some macho masculine man.

I'm fine with it too if it's something they chose for themselves and weren't basically indoctrinated to be feminine males(see the 10 points). At the top of Maslow's hierarchy of the needs of a human is self-actualization. For me that includes being as much of a man as can be.

 

[Howard]

Someone has been taking a bit too much of the Red Pill.

 

[GhostProject]

The dad-bod fad is objectifying men in such a way as to negatively influence our culture by telling our children falsely to hold to an inferior beta-male position in gender relations so that women don't feel intimidated. #Givemenavoice