THE WAR ON MEN: 10 Ways Masculinity is Under Attack

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Their daughter's have a chance at getting a decent job instead of turning to the professions with high chances of exploitation and being an easier prey for pimps.

In case of their sudden death, their family doesn't necessary had to turn to richer relatives in hopes of a maintenance or struggle miserably to survive just because the other parent has little to no skill beyond her house.

Other than it's like asking what did freeing slaves did for whites in USA. Yea I know sharing power and letting someone join that space means the ruler has to sacrifice some privileges. But your daughters are included in the group and most men who worked for feminine cause were the ones who saw the problems it leads to in the society.
I'm sorry but comparing the women's movement to Black slavery is beyond ludricious.
That said, you just confirmed that feminism is utter BS, it was never about gender equality.
 

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This is so much bullshit. "Masculinity" is at stake? Gender roles are complete bullshit and just a poison to young's mind if you ask me. I think you should get out of the past dude, we don't talk about what a "real" man is in the 21st century.

Gender roles? I would just say that men and women, in general, are different. Brains of both genders are built differently, so we think in different way.

Its a good thing.
Name one thing feminism has improved for men.

Currently, feminist movement is nothing more but a joke. A harmful joke. When I hear about f*cked up experiments on kids - like forcing boys to play with dolls and forcing gilrs to play with toy cars, or forcing boys to wear skirts I want to puke.

Not to mention about cases like this. ->
 

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Name one thing feminism has improved for men.

Did you know that until recently, the FBI's definition of rape was as old-fashioned as the horse and buggy? That is, until feminist activists decided to change that. Thanks to the " " campaign launched by the Feminist Majority Foundation and Ms. magazine, more than 160,000 emails were sent to the FBI pressuring it to change its archaic definition of rape. The old definition, "carnal knowledge of a female forcibly and against her will," hadn't been changed since 1921. It meant that many types of sexual assaults, including the rape of men, weren't counted as part of the bureau's annual Uniform Crime Report.

When the decision was announced, then-VP and General Counsel of the Feminist Majority Foundation Kim Gandy , "This is a major policy change and will dramatically impact the way rape is tracked and reported nationwide."

The new definition now includes all forms of penetration and no longer excludes men.


It's still not taken seriously by men and women alike that male rape is real. When actually, non-consensual *** is a danger to society and the people.
 

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"Men are facing a full frontal assault on their rights, health and culture like never before. The war on masculinity has never been so brutal – but it’s not a war being waged by women. The attack is coming directly from the top, as the establishment desperately attempts to emasculate and disempower men in order to force women to be more dependent on the state, thereby enabling more power to be centralized and aiding the growth of big government."

This made me laugh super hard. Masculinity is at stake? Men are facing an attack on health? LMFAOOOO Last time I checked, Men get to control what a womans body is allowed to do. They get the right to control if we have access to birth control, abortions etc. Oh I'm sorry are they demonizing your body for doing the things that are natural? Case and point breastfeeding. I'm sorry if my 12 year old cousin can't wear a dress to school because "boys will be distracted" Also might I just say if you are gonna make a thread like this please for the love of god don't just copy and paste from Wikipedia....

Number 1. Sperm count can also be reduced due to a million other factors, such as diet and family history btw. Hell smoking too much can reduce it. If you are gonna make a point make sure you use all ideas about that point. Not just "Its in our water and food supply"

Number 2. What the bloody hell is wrong with boys playing with things other than cars and guns? That is pure and utter bullshit, who gives a rats ass what a male child wants to play with. My father played with dolls as a child, he grew up to be a Navy Seal, so I'm pretty sure this point was pulled out of whoevers ass decided to do this research. Always an exception to the rule.

Number 3 I'm screaming from laughing so ****ing hard. Homer Simpson? Married with Children? You can't be serious? Why has no one else pointed out how stupid this is!?. I have zero idea but If you look at Homer Simpson as a role model you are probably a damn retard. In an industry run by *** I have ZERO idea what commercials you are watching buttttt 97% of them are woman/men acting in a sexual manner. Body Wash commercials? Shit even Doritos commercials. I'm seriously having a hard time taking you seriously at this point.

Number 4. You are just grasping for straws at this point. This point isn't even worth a response really.

Number 5. Men work more hours and seek jobs that pay higher? That one simple sentence blew your point out of the water. There is just no way you can say under any circumstances that men work more hours with 100% fact. Want a real life example of a wage gap? I work 50+ hours a week at $10 dollars and hour, I am a military vet and have over 5 years in retail. The man I work with works 30 hours a week makes $13 dollars an hour and don't even have HALF of the experience I do. Know why he gets paid more? Because he can lift the heavy shit from the truck that I can't. We do the EXACT same job everyday. Its actually not a myth either in the State of Louisiana woman are paid 66% of what men are. So please try again. So no its not a myth

Number 8. Its called if you have a child and you lose it you have to still pay for that child, regardless if the Woman works or not. If you don't its child abandonment it goes BOTH ways. My father paid my child support, My mother? Not so much in fact 20 years later they are STILL going after her for backed payments. Also the notion is run on whats best for the child. Example: You work over 60+ hours a week, you make a ton of money but you are never able to be home VS your ex wife who works 40 hours a week but comes home. You really think a judge is gonna send a kid to an environment where no one is around? Hence why the female will get custody. Also during most proceedings people opt for SHARED or JOINT custody. That is why the percentage of only the men getting FULL custody of the child is low. Also another factor they use to decide is who the child has the best relationship with. So PLEASE if you are gonna state something like this, at least the proper legal system.

Number 10 is a bit of a touchy subject for most. is it true that most men won't speak out if they being abused? Yes. Men don't report things like that. 44% are Male in the UK huh sad but allow me to drop some REAL numbers

-Men are victims of nearly 3 million physical assaults in the USA.
-More than 4 million women experience physical assault and rape by their partners. (This goes to your point at how men are more abused by their spouses.)
-Boys/Men who witness domestic violence are far more likely to become abusers of their partners and/or children as adults, thus continuing the cycle of violence in the next generation. This can also be said about Girls who witness this in turn grow up expecting that to be the norm so they let themselves be abused. So really this point can be argued from both sides here. Both sexes do some rotten stuff to each other. Its not just about men.

In conclusion did you have some good points? Yes. But like I stated if you wanna make a post like this and then state "Both men and women should join forces to fight back against this common enemy." then you should learn how to argue for BOTH sexes, not just one having more issues.
 
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I'm sorry but comparing the women's movement to Black slavery is beyond ludricious.
That said, you just confirmed that feminism is utter BS, it was never about gender equality.

That's just your personal opinion. You didn't reply nor provide any objective counter arguments against feminists concerns. So it confirms nothing but your bias.

By the way why just black slavery- women get first hit in every such scenario- how many women were taken in for sexual slavery by ISIS and justified on religious grounds? No oppression?

I don't see anything wrong in asking what slave owner got by freeing their slaves. It's as valid as you asking what men tending to feminist concerns.

"Men are facing a full frontal assault on their rights, health and culture like never before. The war on masculinity has never been so brutal – but it’s not a war being waged by women. The attack is coming directly from the top, as the establishment desperately attempts to emasculate and disempower men in order to force women to be more dependent on the state, thereby enabling more power to be centralized and aiding the growth of big government."

This made me laugh super hard. Masculinity is at stake? Men are facing an attack on health? LMFAOOOO Last time I checked, Men get to control what a womans body is allowed to do. They get the right to control if we have access to birth control, abortions etc. Oh I'm sorry are they demonizing your body for doing the things that are natural? Case and point breastfeeding. I'm sorry if my 12 year old cousin can't wear a dress to school because "boys will be distracted" Also might I just say if you are gonna make a thread like this please for the love of god don't just copy and paste from Wikipedia....

............Yes. But like I stated if you wanna make a post like this and then state "Both men and women should join forces to fight back against this common enemy." then you should learn how to argue for BOTH sexes, not just one having more issues.


IKR. One would think that such medical hazards affect men only and human females are immune from it . I guess we are lucky that it's mostly male scientists creating these fertilizers and plastic or he would claim a feminist conspiracy to kill them all.
 
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That's just your personal opinion. You didn't reply nor provide any objective counter arguments. So it confirms nothing but your bias.

By the way why just black slavery- women get first hit in every such scenario- how many women were taken in for sexual slavery by ISIS and justified on religious grounds? No oppression?
Here is the definition of a slave: a person who is the legal property of another and is forced to obey them.
Now let's look at some of the things that defined a slave.

1. Slaves do the heavy labor
2. Slaves do the dangerous labor
3. The lives of slaves are worth less than the lives of their owners
4. Slaves are only worth something to society if they perform
5. Slaves do not have a voice in the public sphere
6. Slaves cannot vote
7. Slaves are confined to the home
8. Slaves cannot earn a salary

Alright, I will now do a quick analysis of women using this list.

1. Slaves do the heavy labor
Men did the heavy labor

2. Slaves do the dangerous labor
Men did the dangerous labor

3. The lives of slaves are worth less than the lives of their owners
Again, men's lives are worth less than women's lives, they're the expendables.

4. Slaves are only worth something to society if they perform
Once again, men are the ones judged by their achievements and social status.
Men with low status jobs don't get respect from society or women.

5. Slaves do not have a voice in the public sphere
Finally we get somewhere, this resembles women in a patriarchy.

6. Slaves cannot vote
Women cannot vote.

7. Slaves are confined to the home
Women are confined to the home.

8. Slaves cannot earn a salary
Women cannot earn a salary

As you can see, in a male-dominated society where women were apparently discriminated against things were pretty fair and equal. A society exchanges security with ownership so we're all slaves in that sense but it's called reciprocal altruism, that's how the world works, to get something you need to give something of equal value. However in this case women only met half of the requirements needed for their situation to resemble the ones of black slavery, the other half was carried out by men interestingly enough. What feminism is trying to do is earn more rights than men at their expense, but they're not even the ones driving the show. They only exist because the government is supporting them, female empowerment means more power to them.
 
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Well I agree to an extent but these are mostly scare tactics for further separation. Same type of propaganda has always been used and always will be because people fear change.

And change/difference brings out the fear in people which causes discrimination. Which is counter productive when we are made to teach and learn from each other for a better humanity. There is a war going on but to pick a side is silly.
 

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Well I agree to an extent but these are mostly scare tactics for further separation. Same type of propaganda has always been used and always will be because people fear change.

And change/difference brings out the fear in people which causes discrimination. Which is counter productive when we are made to teach and learn from each other for a better humanity. There is a war going on but to pick a side is silly.
Their motto is divide and conquer. They've certaintly done a good job so far.
 

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Men life is worth less than women that's true tho, very true, you can see it everywhere, on TV, movies, anime, manga etc. Even in games all you do is go around killing dudes as if they were animals.
 

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Here is the definition of a slave: a person who is the legal property of another and is forced to obey them.
Now let's look at some of the things that defined a slave.........

1. Slaves do the heavy labor
Men did the heavy labor

And who told you women didn't do heavy labor according to their capacity? Working in closed environment many of them were the first to rise and start working and last to sleep. No rest during the day for their was always something to do.
2. Slaves do the dangerous labor

Men did the dangerous labor


Not all. Working in front of the old fashioned ovens in closed quarters was no good to health either. Besides death rate in child birth was high enough. Women's health was often neglected and many ailments were ignored on regular basis. Even the studies you quoted in Op lacked sufficient research on the effect of those chemicals on women. And we are talking modern era. Even now try to find out female specific problems resulting from many of the harmonal problems and most data comes from study on males. That should give you a hint.

Parada system kept women so confined that many of them couldn't even get to enjoy sunlight properly.

Not to forget the practice of chastity belt in some countries and things like female circumcision, and Chinese iron shoes crippling women for life. Some of these practices are still on.

3. The lives of slaves are worth less than the lives of their owners
Again, men's lives are worth less than women's lives, they're the expendables.

Lives of women were worth less than men- female foeticide is still a major issue. Funny that you even mention it.

Did you forget Honour killing - don't even start me on this topic.


4. Slaves are only worth something to society if they perform
Once again, men are the ones judged by their achievements and social status.
Men with low status jobs don't get respect from society or women.

If woman wasn't accomplished in so called feminine skills she would be judged too. On top of it they were considered worthless despite doing work all day long if they couldn't bear a child. For it was one skill where performing was must for her.

Women often had to suffer social taboo if they failed on this count. Even if the husband was the reason why she didn't have child. Many men still won't get themselves checked that easily if wife doesn't conceive. They get angry at doctors for making suggestion. In fact in some societies it was supposed to be her duty to take the blame herself and give husband the clean chit on the count.

They have been more readily traded than a male slave by his owner. Owner gave a lot more money for their prized male slaves and didn't trade them as easily as men in many countries trade their women from their harems.

5. Slaves do not have a voice in the public sphere
Finally we get somewhere, this resembles women in a patriarchy.


6. Slaves cannot vote
Women cannot vote.

7. Slaves are confined to the home
Women are confined to the home.

8. Slaves cannot earn a salary
Women cannot earn a salary

So even you couldn't deny at least half of it.

you can see, in a male-dominated society where women were apparently discriminated against things were pretty fair and equal. A society exchanges security with ownership so we're all slaves in that sense but it's called reciprocal altruism, that's how the world works, to get something you need to give something of equal value. However in this case women only met half of the requirements needed for their situation to resemble the ones of black slavery, the other half was carried out by men interestingly enough. What feminism is trying to do is earn more rights than men at their expense, but they're not even the ones driving the show. They only exist because the government is supporting them, female empowerment means more power to them.

I countered your argument of or whatever it was. More than that it was beside the point. I am not sure whether you deliberately missed mine or it was just not clear enough to you. You have given me an essay about slavery but you are dodging the real question.I didn't want to compare the sob story of women and slaves.

You asked me what men gained from feminism. I asked you what slave owners got when they freed slaves. Answer just that if you can.


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It's still not taken seriously by men and women alike that male rape is real. When actually, non-consensual *** is a danger to society and the people.

That was probably covered as 'sodomy'. The old definition of rape in many places was quite narrow so that many forms of it are covered as unnatural *** assault etc whether it was on male on female. Rape was just one of the specific sexual assault.
 
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The problem isn't men oppressing women or women using feminism as an excuse, the problem is stupid people stupid, and that has a lot of subcategories, but what I don't get is why do even the intelligent people generalize stuff when talking about these things, it's common that a flame war- say in gaming begins when a dude makes some generalized statement and says pc gamers are elite jerks, surely some are- but you also offended a lot of those who aren't and now they are gonna get back at you by saying console peasants and the cycle continues..

It's the same thing with feminism, surely there are some stupid men who refuse to acknowledge that women are being discriminated in places, surely there stupid women who just wants to use it as an excuse to just hate and feel better, but the common thing is 'stupid', not men, not women, but just stupid people. And suddenly things like Illuminati- manipulating everything from the shadows, makes a lot of logical sense

This thing should'nt be about women fighting against men, but intelligent people who knows better and wishes to do good creating required balance between these two categories of species. People should listen them(if they can't know it themselves), here is where things like moral and not being an egoistic jerk comes in, parents should teach those things to their children.

But seriously though, whatever the hell happened to individuality?
 
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And who told you women didn't do heavy labor according to their capacity? Working in closed environment many of them were the first to rise and start working and last to sleep. No rest during the day for their was always something to do.



Not all. Working in front of the old fashioned ovens in closed quarters was no good to health either. Besides death rate in child birth was high enough. Women's health was often neglected and many ailments were ignored on regular basis. Even the studies you quoted in Op lacked sufficient research on the effect of those chemicals on women. And we are talking modern era. Even now try to find out female specific problems resulting from many of the harmonal problems and most data comes from study on males. That should give you a hint.

Parada system kept women so confined that many of them couldn't even get to enjoy sunlight properly.

Not to forget the practice of chastity belt in some countries and things like female circumcision, and Chinese iron shoes crippling women for life. Some of these practices are still on.



Lives of women were worth less than men- female foeticide is still a major issue. Funny that you even mention it.

Did you forget Honour killing - don't even start me on this topic.




If woman wasn't accomplished in so called feminine skills she would be judged too. On top of it they were considered worthless despite doing work all day long if they couldn't bear a child. For it was one skill where performing was must for her.

Women often had to suffer social taboo if they failed on this count. Even if the husband was the reason why she didn't have child. Many men still won't get themselves checked that easily if wife doesn't conceive. They get angry at doctors for making suggestion. In fact in some societies it was supposed to be her duty to take the blame herself and give husband the clean chit on the count.

They have been more readily traded than a male slave by his owner. Owner gave a lot more money for their prized male slaves and didn't trade them as easily as men in many countries trade their women from their harems.



So even you couldn't deny at least half of it.



I countered your argument of or whatever it was. More than that it was beside the point. I am not sure whether you deliberately missed mine or it was just not clear enough to you. You have given me an essay about slavery but you are dodging the real question.I didn't want to compare the sob story of women and slaves.

You asked me what men gained from feminism. I asked you what slave owners got when they freed slaves. Answer just that if you can.


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That was probably covered as 'sodomy'. The old definition of rape in many places was quite narrow so that many forms of it are covered as unnatural *** assault etc whether it was on male on female. Rape was just one of the specific sexual assault.
Back then and still now men do most of the heavy labor. They also do all the dangerous labor to this day, 93% of workplace deaths are men, 94% of workplace suicides are men(see nr.4). Men can get honor killed too. Also I wasn't trying to deny women's gender roles. As you can see from these points, they evolved naturally(women do the home, men do the heavy labor) it's not merely a social construct as a feminist would claim.

You claimed women's liberation was comparable to black slavery and I proved you wrong, that's what this is about and in doing so I managed to discovered that women were never inferior to men as much as we think. I did ask what feminism did for men, the fact that you had to ask another question lets me know it did nothing which discredits what they claim to stand for which is gender equality.
 

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You may not have thought it through but you said it.

And it's not just you it's pretty common. Racist joke will get you in trouble more easily - making females a joke won't. With all the so called supposed threats to male domination the society is still mostly male oriented.

OP mentioned a load of medical threats ignoring that it's not only human males which are being affected. Some laws seem to favour women but a lot many of them favour males too. Selective focus makes everything look bad.

He said feminazi which I think refers to the crazy or radical bunch of the feminists so I don't believe he's criticizing every single feminist like you think he is.
 

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Men are facing a full frontal assault on their rights, health and culture like never before. The war on masculinity has never been so brutal – but it’s not a war being waged by women. The attack is coming directly from the top, as the establishment desperately attempts to emasculate and disempower men in order to force women to be more dependent on the state, thereby enabling more power to be centralized and aiding the growth of big government.

Here are ten ways in which the state has declared war on men and masculinity;

1) Falling Fertility

Sperm counts amongst men have significantly decreased over the last half century and particularly over the last 25 years. In some European countries, sperm counts have dropped by as much as a third since 1989. Part of the fall can be explained by exposure to pesticides, endocrine-disrupting chemicals like Bisphenol A, and the many other artificial horrors that increasingly pervade our water and food supply. Many have made the connection between falling sperm counts and the open calls by innumerable elitists to drastically reduce world population by as much as 95%. Research shows that underpopulation, not overpopulation, will be the major demographic crisis of the 21st century as a result of humans failing to achieve the replacement rate of 2.1 children.

2) Chemical Warfare “Feminizing” Boys

Exposure to phthalates, which are found in many plastics, is “feminizing” boys by blocking normal male testosterone and causing genital abnormalities, according to scientists. “Boys exposed to high levels of these in the womb were less likely than other boys to play with cars, trains and guns or engage in “rougher” games like playfighting,” according to a BBC News report. According to Elizabeth Salter-Green, director of the chemicals campaign group CHEM Trust, phthalates are a true “gender-bender” because they lead to a reduction in “male behavior”.

3) Degradation of Positive Masculine Role Models

Whereas 50 years ago, advertising, Hollywood and television was filled with examples of positive masculine role models that young men could look up to, today’s entertainment industry routinely portrays men as clueless and bumbling oafs at best (think Homer Simpson, Everybody Loves Raymond, Married With Children) or at worst as aggressive sexual predators. Since advertising is primarily aimed at women, men in commercials are also now routinely depicted as either being emasculated losers or stupefied morons. Young men consuming this content grow up thinking that it is acceptable and even encouraged to aspire to these character traits. In doing so, they are robbed of their natural masculinity and find it extremely difficult to attract well-rounded women, who are rightly disgusted by such behavior. The entertainment industry is largely controlled by men, again underscoring the fact that this assault is a top down trend that has little or nothing to do with the gender war.

4) Metrosexual Malaise

Second wave feminism was a creation of the establishment itself and at its core has little whatsoever to do with genuine concern about women’s rights. Radical feminism deliberately confuses gender roles and makes young men apprehensive about exercising their masculinity for fear of being seen as overbearing or aggressive towards women. This has contributed to an entire generation of “metrosexual” men who are promiscuous, unwilling to commit to a relationship and unable to fulfil a women’s basic needs for healthy companionship, destabilizing society and making it more difficult for women to find suitable long term partners with whom to have children.

5) Cultural Marxism

Establishment-controlled second wave feminism also advances the doctrine of cultural marxism, which claims that oppression emerges from patriarchal society and culture, and not the state. Governments love cultural marxism because it absolves them of blame. The true source of all oppression has always been the state, but by blaming it on men or western culture in general (which is primarily shaped by men), the state hides its own responsibility.

6) The ‘Men are Paid More’ Myth

The establishment promulgates the myth that men are paid more than women because of discrimination, feeding into feminist doctrines about patriarchal systems oppressing women in the workplace. In reality, the “wage gap” of around 19 per cent between the two sexes in the United States is explained by a number of reasons that have nothing to do with discrimination, including the fact that men work more hours and men seek less desirable jobs that pay higher. As a result, men account for 93% of workplace deaths despite being only 54% of the workforce. 94% of workplace suicides every year are also men. The establishment buries these shockingly high male workplace fatality figures because they completely contradict the myth that the jobs market discriminates against women.

7) The “Privilege” Trap

Statists, collectivists and their mouthpieces in the media and the establishment claim that western men (in particular white men) cannot express a valid opinion on any issue related in any way to a “minority” (such as feminism or immigration) because they have “privilege”. The “privilege” talking point is a stunt through which liberals and feminists attempt to shut down free speech. In essence they are asserting the ludicrous notion that a man’s viewpoint has no value because of the color of his skin, his gender or his country of origin. This is an inherently racist position, yet it is routinely used by leftists to shout down their ideological adversaries and silence male voices.

8) The Legal System Discriminates Against Men

In both divorce and child custody proceedings, it is widely acknowledged that courts heavily favor women and discriminate against men. Men are routinely hit with onerous alimony payments even if women are capable of working and earning a good paycheck. Men only receive custody of their children in around 10 per cent of divorce cases in the United States. The ironic thing about this system is that it has primarily been instituted by other men, emphasizing again how the war on men is being waged not by women, but by the primarily male-dominated establishment itself.

9) Masculinity as a Dirty Word

Dissident feminist Camille Paglia recently wrote a Wall Street Journal piece in which she warned, “What you’re seeing is how a civilization commits suicide.” Paglia was referring to how the emancipation of masculine virtues by the establishment threatens to create massive destabilization in society due to less and less men being able to fill traditionally “masculine” roles in the jobs market. Paglia points to schools cutting recess, the effort to deny the biological distinctions between men and women, and the left’s characterization of controversial opinions as “hate speech” as examples of how masculinity is being deliberately eroded. “Masculinity is just becoming something that is imitated from the movies. There’s nothing left. There’s no room for anything manly right now,” warns Paglia, adding that young men have, “no models of manhood.”

10) Domestic Abuse Against Men

Whereas women have numerous safety nets to turn to if they become victims of domestic abuse, men have virtually none, despite the fact that domestic abuse against men is a huge and growing problem. In the UK for example, 44 per cent of domestic abuse victims are male, while more married men suffer abuse at the hands of their spouse than married women. While domestic abuse against women is constantly highlighted by the mass media, domestic abuse against men is a complete non-issue.

Conclusion

A totalitarian society can only survive if the male population has been gelded, emasculated and disenfranchised. With this natural bulwark against tyranny removed, the elite can centralize power and pursue collectivist tyranny unopposed. This is why men and masculinity are under assault on every level – and why both men and women should join forces to fight back against this common enemy.

Both genders naturally have traits that are both masculine and feminine. All the other roles and ideas about what a man is or a woman, are just roles and ideas we adopted to keep the system and paradigm that is ran by ideas moving.,
In the end of the day, we evolved to act according to instinct and what is best for our species outside of the idea of masculinity and femininity. Those are just ideas used by our minds to romance ourselves. The reality is when we are really living the optimal existence none of the ideas and concepts are of any primary importance, (unless we say they are, therefor they are not a true reality, and That mentality is bound to fail because it is unnatural.) The attack on masculinity is just an attack on the idea of masculinity. Masculinity is not a force that can exist without femininity and femininity is not a force that can exist without masculinity. We do not need the idea of masculinity to be men, as men we are men by nature not by what we decree ourselves to be. Nothing we see on media/ TV, or political ideology, or social movement, nor anything at all should really influence our innate masculinity if we ourselves are responsible for our lives and minds. You can make whatever cause out of that idea but I think it's the root of most if not all problems we see.
 
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Lots of topics are being discussed here and a lot of valid points have been made by both sides. I don't want to get to deep in this (too many topics), but I think it's obvious that we live in a man's world. I'm gonna leave this and keep on reading.
 
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Very accurate Lol.


misogyny at its prime, people afraid of a world where masculinity isn't defined by how loud you can fart anymore


That's hardly what this thread is about.
 

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I laughed at 8) The Legal System Discriminates Against Men
along with everything else.


If anything the legal system is against those that don't have more to show off against the other person fighting for the child.
In which case my fiancée sister was married and had two kids.

The father was good for nothing. He wouldn't want to take care of the kids,didn't help take care of around the house,etc.
He would accuse my fiancée sister of being a **** and not a good mother even though she wasn't sleeping around and gave her kids everything of her love.

Of course as years went by and the way the guy treated her she end up with depression problems and the doctor gave her meds for it.
The guy continued calling her a bad mother,nobody wants her if she left cause she was on meds,etc.

Holding her by the stings basically.

Until last year and a half she had enough of it and wanted a divorce.
She took the kids and the guy called the cops on her.

She had to leave the kids with him and live with her parents.
Months went by and the guy wouldn't sign the divorce papers.

She end up getting a lawyer and he found out and wanted to talk it over.

She went over and they started fighting. The guy push her down on the floor and she got up and punched him on the face.
Cops were called.

She had no marks on her but they guy did and twisted the story saying she went crazy and punched him.

She went to jail for that day and was released.

A month went by and she finally had money for a lawyer but when they went to court he had paper work showing what she did and that she was unfit to be with the kids cause she was on meds even though she wasn't any more.
The court allowed the kids to live with the father and visit the mother whenever the father wants them to.

He now got a girlfriend with kids of her own. My fiancée sister kids comes last in that house the father lives in now and even got locks on the frigid so they don't go and eat food without the parents permission. Clothes hardly don't fit them.
Kids wants to stay with their mother but the father got them by the strings and accusing every guy he sees around the mother that they touched his kids wrong.

Her lawyer quit and didn't do nothing to give her another one by law.

And the father is a **** enough laughing about it saying he's going to win and she won't every she her kids again.


So tell me again that men are being discriminated in court.
Cause you're wrong bub.
 

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I laughed at 8) The Legal System Discriminates Against Men
along with everything else.


If anything the legal system is against those that don't have more to show off against the other person fighting for the child.
In which case my fiancée sister was married and had two kids.

The father was good for nothing. He wouldn't want to take care of the kids,didn't help take care of around the house,etc.
He would accuse my fiancée sister of being a **** and not a good mother even though she wasn't sleeping around and gave her kids everything of her love.

Of course as years went by and the way the guy treated her she end up with depression problems and the doctor gave her meds for it.
The guy continued calling her a bad mother,nobody wants her if she left cause she was on meds,etc.

Holding her by the stings basically.

Until last year and a half she had enough of it and wanted a divorce.
She took the kids and the guy called the cops on her.

She had to leave the kids with him and live with her parents.
Months went by and the guy wouldn't sign the divorce papers.

She end up getting a lawyer and he found out and wanted to talk it over.

She went over and they started fighting. The guy push her down on the floor and she got up and punched him on the face.
Cops were called.

She had no marks on her but they guy did and twisted the story saying she went crazy and punched him.

She went to jail for that day and was released.

A month went by and she finally had money for a lawyer but when they went to court he had paper work showing what she did and that she was unfit to be with the kids cause she was on meds even though she wasn't any more.
The court allowed the kids to live with the father and visit the mother whenever the father wants them to.

He now got a girlfriend with kids of her own. My fiancée sister kids comes last in that house the father lives in now and even got locks on the frigid so they don't go and eat food without the parents permission. Clothes hardly don't fit them.
Kids wants to stay with their mother but the father got them by the strings and accusing every guy he sees around the mother that they touched his kids wrong.

Her lawyer quit and didn't do nothing to give her another one by law.

And the father is a **** enough laughing about it saying he's going to win and she won't every she her kids again.


So tell me again that men are being discriminated in court.
Cause you're wrong bub.


What does this have to do with the law? Your soon to be sister in law made mistakes. I'm not saying the man was right, but she definitely was not right either. Just because he pushed her, does not give her the right to punch him. That's why she lost her kids. Don't blame the legal system for her faults.

And to explain why parts of the legal system is against men.

When a husband and wife get a divorce, the wife will almost always get the children, half the man's money, and a number of other things. If a man claims rape he is not taken seriously. If a woman claims rape, any man she names is guilty until he proves his innocence(rape kit). If a man claims domestic abuse, he is not taken seriously. If a woman claims domestic abuse, the man is usually guilty until he proves his innocence.

Those are a few examples.
 
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