Sasuke and Nagato vs Edo Madara

[Beans2]

Team 1: EMS Sasuke, Nagato
Team 2: Edo Madara

Restriction: Perfect Susanoo

 

[Null Man]

Madara wins.

 

[Blunt]

Perfect Susano'o is restricted here, therefore no meteors, and no abilities capable of busting CT. His entire arsenal is either absorbed (Katon variants) or pulverized by Deva Path and Ashura Path (Mokuton - including Flower Tree World.) The only legitimate threat here is v4 Susano'o and Wood Clones, Wood Clones are decimated by Sasuke quite easily, Gaara managed to block multiple strikes with his sand, which means these clones are extremely watered down and lack enough physical power to pose a threat against Sasuke's v3 or v4 Susano'o variants. They get diced up and put down quite easily by Sasuke alone, adding Nagato's assistance only makes this worse.

Now all Madara has left is his v4 Susano'o, it's strikes are either evaded with one of the flying summons, or repelled via ST, Sasuke can ignite the gem of Susano'o which would hinder his LoS. Madara's Susano'o eventually fades from continious damage by Sasuke's Enton/Susano'o arrows and Deva/Ashura Path variants.

I've yet to include Gedo Mazo in this equation.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Perfect Susanoo restricted?

Sasuke and Nagato smacks EMS Madara but loses terribly to Edo Madara.​

 

[KidGamer65]

Perfect Susano'o is restricted here, therefore no meteors, and no abilities capable of busting CT.

Only V3 Susanoo is needed to summon Meteors. That can be used to destroy CT before it gets too large, and if used offensively, only CST has a chance of redirecting it. It canonically obliterated V3 Susanoo w/o a direct hit, so Sasuke can't tank it no matter what level of Susanoo he uses here. If Nagato repels it with CST, then Madara calls another Meteor and wrecks them both.

Then there's Full bodied V4. It'd break out of CT just like KN8 did.

His entire arsenal is either absorbed (Katon variants) or pulverized by Deva Path and Ashura Path (Mokuton - including Flower Tree World.)

Since when did Asura Path have the range or power to annihilate the Flower Tree World? Never. That's when. Deva Path is only going to work if he uses CST to wipe out the whole forest, but that's inviting Madara to molest him considering no Deva Path=Swift Death for Nagato.

The only legitimate threat here is v4 Susano'o and Wood Clones, Wood Clones are decimated by Sasuke quite easily, Gaara managed to block multiple strikes with his sand, which means these clones are extremely watered down and lack enough physical power to pose a threat against Sasuke's v3 or v4 Susano'o variants. They get diced up and put down quite easily by Sasuke alone, adding Nagato's assistance only makes this worse.

This just assumes that Madara makes 25 of them like he did against the Gokage and doesn't focus as much power as he can into them. Wood Clones increase in power based on how much power the original body pours into them. If Madara pours half his power into a Wood Clone, then he's basically made a Shadow Clone, but stronger. Meaning he'd bully Sasuke like a grown man would bully a little kid since his Susanoo>Sasuke's Susanoo. The original would bully Nagato too, considering he'd need his strongest techs just to counter Mokuton and Meteors.

Then there's the fact that even if it were 25 Clones. Sasuke's Susanoo doesn't have the power to "dice them up".

Now all Madara has left is his v4 Susano'o, it's strikes are either evaded with one of the flying summons, or repelled via ST,

Nagato's flying summons have little to no speed feats available that'd lead anyone to believe they can seamlessly evade the strikes of a Susanoo being manipulated by a Choku Tomoe EMS wielder. He can repel them via Shinra Tensei, but then the second slash gets them.

Sasuke can ignite the gem of Susano'o which would hinder his LoS.

Which would pretty much do nothing. His range is so wide that he only needs a general idea of where they are to hit them. Then there's the fact that they can't break Susanoo.

Madara's Susano'o eventually fades from continious damage by Sasuke's Enton/Susano'o arrows and Deva/Ashura Path variants.

Unless these attacks are doing something to begin with, his Susanoo isn't going to take continuous damage from things like Enton Arrows and Ashura attacks. The only thing that will damage it his CST, but he can't destroy it, and CST causes him to lose his Deva Powers for a brief period of time. In that time, Madara tanks the weak Arrow and Asura attacks and then obliterates Sasuke, and Nagato follows suit. So this strategy can't work either way.

I've yet to include Gedo Mazo in this equation.

Gedo Mazo is useless. Madara wins mid diff.

 

[I'm stupid real stupid]

Hey BAC you should restrict Edo Maddy's healing otherwise he can just spam Meteors

 

[-immortal-]

Nagato and sasuke win.

Meteor gets tanked by susano low diff. Clone naruto and fodder shinobis tanked that.
Mokuton JukaI kountam gets sliced by ems Sasuke legged susano.
Wood dragon gets negged by nagato .
25 mokuton clones are easily defeated by the likes of nagato and sasuke
Madara gets destroyed in this fight

 

[BLAZE]

25 Mokuton Bunshin+Legged Susanoo GG

 

[ARGUS]

Madara wins, mid diff at best
His susnaoo is above sasukes comfortably, and preta alone shuts his entire arsenal down, plus he can do evrything tht nagato can on top of mokutons
The duo have literally no way of taking him down
FTW assisted with devas powers or susanoo can take them out,
Only a very large ST could take it out but then nagato turns into a fodder so he dies, sasuke then gets finished afterwards by a plethora of ways

 

[Lariatoo]

Perfected Susanoo restricted?
Team wins.

 

[Beans2]

Gedo Mazo is useless. Madara wins mid diff.

Madara wins, mid diff at best
His susnaoo is above sasukes comfortably, and preta alone shuts his entire arsenal down, plus he can do evrything tht nagato can on top of mokutons
The duo have literally no way of taking him down
FTW assisted with devas powers or susanoo can take them out,
Only a very large ST could take it out but then nagato turns into a fodder so he dies, sasuke then gets finished afterwards by a plethora of ways

How are they dealing with a Rain Tiger + Kirin combo followed by a CST? Madara's V4 is not taking that kind of damage and Madara would be killed...considering Hirudora destroyed V3 and killed Madara inside, Kirin and CST (which is much stronger than Hirudora) would do the same to V4.

Madara can try to attack first with FTW or Joukai Koutan but then Sasuke can just burn the flowers with Amaterasu before they bloom and slice up the forest with Susanoo. Wood dragon can be blown up by Asura rockets if used and wood clones can be seen through with EMS.

Hey BAC you should restrict Edo Maddy's healing otherwise he can just spam Meteors

Forgot to do that. Edo regeneration is restricted.

 

[KidGamer65]

How are they dealing with a Rain Tiger + Kirin combo followed by a CST? Madara's V4 is not taking that kind of damage and Madara would be killed...considering Hirudora destroyed V3 and killed Madara inside, Kirin and CST (which is much stronger than Hirudora) would do the same to V4.

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are worlds apart when it comes to strength and durability just because of the size difference. Kirin destroyed Itachi's V3. Madara's giant V4 that he used at VoTE tanks it only minor damage, if any at all, let alone his full bodied V4, which is much larger than his V4 seen at VoTE. Same thing happens with CST.

Then you gotta throw in the fact that Madara's chakra>>Itachi's chakra. Just how Sasuke's PS isn't going to be as strong as his, Itachi's Armored Susanoo will be nowhere near the level of Madara's.

Madara can try to attack first with FTW or Joukai Koutan but then Sasuke can just burn the flowers with Amaterasu before they bloom and slice up the forest with Susanoo. Wood dragon can be blown up by Asura rockets if used and wood clones can be seen through with EMS.

You can't even see the flowers before they bloom. All you can see are the giant roots. And even if he catches a brief glimpse of them, it won't be enough time to target them for Amaterasu. Especially since he'll be busy trying to evade so he doesn't get caught in the branches and killed. Then there's the fact that the forest covers such a large area that him slicing it up with Susanoo is impractical. While he does that, Madara would annihilate him and his partner, and if he uses Jukai Kotan, then you can forget about the Amaterasu strategy since there are no flowers on it.

Not only does seeing through Wood Clones not remedy their problem. That's a Madara only skill. Only Madara's Dojutsu has shown to see through clones. Saying it's because of EMS is an assumption. If it were because of EMS, then Madara would need EMS to see through clones, yet he can do so with Rinnegan active. And no, using Susanoo isn't proof that Madara can use Sharingan's powers with Rinnegan active as Madara can use Susanoo w/o eyes let alone w/o the right Dojutsu active. That's why Sasuke's eye has tomoe. He doesn't need to revert to Sharingan to use Sharingan jutsu. That's why Madara's clone had to switch to EMS to use Genjutsu.

 

[Eng nawashi]

Madara wins this without much trouble