Deidara vs V2 Bee

[New Dawn]

Deidara will win high diff.

Only reason its high diff is because bee is perfect Jin + element advantage counters Dei. However, Dei is more intelligent than Bee.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

I just happen to come across this post.

Nope. EjBlack tried to convince you otherwise amirite? I saw a bit of that argument. It's nonsense.

Then you should have read the whole thing.

1. Parasitic Clones are weaker than the original, which in this case would be Orochimaru.

No where in the manga does it stated the strength comparison to the orignal compare to clones. Zetsu biologically produce clones of himself. Even if the orignal dies they basically have their own life, which is the testament of these clones. And the fact by feats 100,000 clones did equal amount of factoring in the war. We have claims of Original Zetsu being weak let alone clones. So in no way can you make that assumption without support, which there is none. Since by feats, clones are made perfect duplicates

2. Zero proof that Orochimaru has the chakra to replicate Kisame's abilities at their regular level let alone Orochimaru's fodder clones.

Your premise falls when you claim the clones are so much inferior to the original. Other then that:
There is proof that Orochimaru has been hype of his reserves, feats too, let alone Kisame's testimony on how Orochimaru can help with the process of removing Buijuus from Jin's faster. Then you have Hashirama's cells that gives him a physical boost. These are facts.

Yet your telling me thats zero proof when a "fodder" zetsu clone being remote could have pulled out GSB? Ok.

3. Zero proof that they can even use the original's techniques to begin with. All they do is copy the appearance and chakra signature of the person they made contact with. Nothing ever said or implied that their jutsu would be copied too...but even if they can. Fodder clones from Oro aren't using Kisame's techs.

Again with the assumptions that comparing Original Zetsu to Clone is some huge gap. Parasite clones duplicate the orignal. If the original is weak so would the clone.

The proof is the fact that Kisame remote controlled a Zetsu to pull out GSB. And remote control to share same reaction, dispel WD, etc.

The issue here only for Orochimaru is that he needs to know how to perform the jutsu. But with the feats that he can absorb intel from someone, would not be a problem for him.

 

[Zexion~]

I just happen to come across this post.



Then you should have read the whole thing.



No where in the manga does it stated the strength comparison to the orignal compare to clones. Zetsu biologically produce clones of himself. Even if the orignal dies they basically have their own life, which is the testament of these clones. And the fact by feats 100,000 clones did equal amount of factoring in the war. We have claims of Original Zetsu being weak let alone clones. So in no way can you make that assumption without support, which there is none. Since by feats, clones are made perfect duplicates



Your premise falls when you claim the clones are so much inferior to the original. Other then that:
There is proof that Orochimaru has been hype of his reserves, feats too, let alone Kisame's testimony on how Orochimaru can help with the process of removing Buijuus from Jin's faster. Then you have Hashirama's cells that gives him a physical boost. These are facts.

Yet your telling me thats zero proof when a "fodder" zetsu clone being remote could have pulled out GSB? Ok.



Again with the assumptions that comparing Original Zetsu to Clone is some huge gap. Parasite clones duplicate the orignal. If the original is weak so would the clone.

The proof is the fact that Kisame remote controlled a Zetsu to pull out GSB. And remote control to share same reaction, dispel WD, etc.

The issue here only for Orochimaru is that he needs to know how to perform the jutsu. But with the feats that he can absorb intel from someone, would not be a problem for him.

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"Too weak for battle" So no he can't copy abilities just the chakra Lol

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, summonings and the alliance in that place and could extend his arms to the far ends and even to the mid top which in length laughs at C4 and how close Deidara has to be to the ground when executing it.

Unless this idiot thinks Deidara is going to be so high that he won't be able to see B..That wasn't the range last time I checked when he used C4 so use what he showed if you want me to stick to the Range the arm gave us. Not to mention, he can use the trees in this location to extend his range.

Lmfao wait what? So you're using chakra arms used in Obito's Jubi Jin/Paths mode....To Bee's V2 Mode.... :| Making up your own feats once again I see Lol. No matter you realize Deidara obviously won't just use this jutsu on top of Bee, seeing as he's one of the more intellectual shinobi (in battle) by feats and hype (I beleive his intelligence in DB is 5/4.5) We've seen all of his fights include numerous strategies and tactics. I doubt Bee will use Chakra arms ONLY once Deidara begins to use C4 as thats his only way of reaching him, so Deidara will know of his range and use the jutsu a considerable distance away. Or distract Bee with a clone feint. Lol i'm not saying it will come to this but if Deidara even starts to use C4 this match is ending in a victory.

 

[Haizaki]

Lmfao wait what? So you're using chakra arms used in Obito's Jubi Jin/Paths mode....To Bee's V2 Mode.... :| Making up your own feats once again I see Lol.

Except you yourself need to prove that the range of the chakra arms vary with each tailed beast. Prove it wrong before you go about saying one is making up their own feats.

Not to mention, he can still create arms from an arm to further his range:

Arms go deep underneath and come out from below :

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Creates another from the previous to extend his range ( Top left)

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He can use Chakra arms to extend his throwing range and speed up his ration blade at Deidara who'll be prep'n.

No matter you realize Deidara obviously won't just use this jutsu on top of Bee, seeing as he's one of the more intellectual shinobi (in battle) by feats and hype (I beleive his intelligence in DB is 5/4.5)

Irrelevant since you don't know B's stats...Even so, It's still irrelevant to the main point. Deidara looked pretty dumb to me till he was rated highly in intelligence.

We've seen all of his fights include numerous strategies and tactics. I doubt Bee will use Chakra arms ONLY once Deidara begins to use C4 as thats his only way of reaching him, so Deidara will know of his range and use the jutsu a considerable distance away. Or distract Bee with a clone feint.

Irrelevant but you yourself acknowledged the fact that Chakra arms can reach him from this range. Especially with the Range he is from the ground when deploying C4.

Clone feints are easily countered with B's ink clones..If B doesn't use chakra arms only, what would he use?

Lol i'm not saying it will come to this but if Deidara even starts to use C4 this match is ending in a victory.

Not happening.

 

[Zexion~]

Except you yourself need to prove that the range of the chakra arms vary with each tailed beast. Prove it wrong before you go about saying one is making up their own feats.

Well seing as he's not even in a cloaked state...Its not even fair to assume their the same thing. It could even be a jutsu.

Not to mention, he can still create arms from an arm to further his range:

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Creates another from the previous to extend his range ( Top left)

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All this isn't happening before C4 is ready. you realize it doesn't even have to be fully set or even transform into a Deidara form? He can stop creating when he see's the chakra arms coming for him (if he doesn't fly decent distance which I don't think you countered) then detonate and that would still be enough to defeat Bee as he can't even sense.

He can use Chakra arms to extend his throwing range and speed up his ration blade at Deidara who'll be prep'n.

Questionable, A giant arm holding a small blade? Its accuracy will be greatly lessened. Not to mention Deidara's bird can avoid objects coming at him in a linear pattern with ease (While still creating the C4 even) Chakra arms is your best bet/

Irrelevant since you don't know B's stats...Even so, It's still irrelevant to the main point. Deidara looked pretty dumb to me till he was rated highly in intelligence.

Looked pretty dumb? Are you serious? Planned his attack to hit Gaara from like the beginning of the fight eventually sacrificing an arm to infiltrate his sand, Trolled a group of leaf ninja into gathering around his explosive clone then used it as a diversion in the heat of the moment to escape and fooled even Kakashi with his Sharingan. Then trolled NV's ultimate troller by using C4 Garuda his strongest attack as a trap and saw through Sasuke's genjutsu and lured him into a C4 Trap via a clone feint from the start, had Sasuke not have used Chidori Stream throughout his body he would have died Lol. Bee is smarter than he seems but still not that intelligent.

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Irrelevant but you yourself acknowledged the fact that Chakra arms can reach him from this range. Especially with the Range he is from the ground when deploying C4.

They CAN reach him but as I said he can cancel the full C4 Garuda and merely activate C4 on a lesser scale which would still take him out. And again what stops Deidara from merely flying a considerable Distance away from Bee then using C4?

Clone feints are easily countered with B's ink clones..If B doesn't use chakra arms only, what would he use?

Not clone feints that he doesn't know about? Need I remind you Sasuke was fooled with ease.

 

[KidGamer65]

Except you yourself need to prove that the range of the chakra arms vary with each tailed beast. Prove it wrong before you go about saying one is making up their own feats.

Lol, that is obviously not how any type of argument works. You are taking an entity leagues above Killer B and giving it's feats to him. There is no reason for anyone to believe that Killer B can replicate any feat that the Juubi's Jinchuuriki produces unless you have actual tangible evidence. You don't make claims and then ask people to prove you wrong or you're right.

Burden of proof fallacy at it's finest. If the Juubi's Jin has shown to extend his chakra arms farther than BM Naruto, or Killer B, then that's just a fact.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

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"Too weak for battle" So no he can't copy abilities just the chakra Lol

I literally post that scan for you already, while you repeated something already refuted.

-Zetsu =/= Orochimaru. Period.

-All the bodies that Orochimaru took over, are way inferior to him, so Zetsu's weak-self is going to effect Orochimaru's use of his abilities. As manga stated Zetsu gave him a boost then his Original body.

- Zetsu copied Kisame's ability, or Kisame remote control it. Orochimaru does NOT have to go through the same process.

 

[Zexion~]

I literally post that scan for you already, while you repeated something already refuted.

-Zetsu =/= Orochimaru. Period.

-All the bodies that Orochimaru took over, are way inferior to him, so Zetsu's weak-self is going to effect Orochimaru's use of his abilities. As manga stated Zetsu gave him a boost then his Original body.

- Zetsu copied Kisame's ability, or Kisame remote control it. Orochimaru does NOT have to go through the same process.

Bold counters your own argument Zetsu literally did nothing at all but absorb some chakra which I'm fairly certain zetsu could already do Lol regardless I think Samehada was still within Zetsu.


Orochimaru taking over ones body doesn't mean his abilities get a boost in strength they get Oro's own abilities along with the ones they already had nothing else no clue why you're thinking otherwise as its no where stated in the manga

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Bold counters your own argument Zetsu literally did nothing at all but absorb some chakra which I'm fairly certain zetsu could already do Lol regardless I think Samehada was still within Zetsu.

Your really making this go in circles aren't ya? It does not change the fact that Zetsu was pulling Kisame's ability, despite stating he couldn't because he was too weak.

Yes Zetsu absorbed Kisame chakra
Yes Zetsu transformed to Kisame
Yes Kisame was remotely using the clone to perform like it was really him.

This does not change the fact that Orochimaru isn't weak yet also having compatible chakra to Kisame. So the factor of being "too weak" to do it or "chakra" to do it is debunked period.

Orochimaru taking over ones body doesn't mean his abilities get a boost in strength they get Oro's own abilities along with the ones they already had nothing else no clue why you're thinking otherwise as its no where stated in the manga

Stop denying manga, when Orochimaru wanted to bind Tobirama, he couldn't FACT! When he use Zetsu's body (which has HAshirama's cells) it STRENGTHEN the bind, and accomplished something he couldnt do last time. Therefore "the body" clearly strengthen him.

If Zetsu is a weak character, creating a clone, then the clone would be no different.
If a strong character like Orochimaru, creating a clone, then the clone would be no different.

 

[Haizaki]

Well seing as he's not even in a cloaked state...Its not even fair to assume their the same thing. It could even be a jutsu.

What does cloak state have to do with this? And no it cannot be a Jutsu when he clearly utilizes it..I'll give you this since you best friend decided to give you a tag and countered.

Doesn't change anything since Bee can use his raiton sword or pencil to further his range while extending his arms. Like I said, the creation of an arm from the previous can also extend this. Deidera isn't dodging jack when preparing C4 since based on feats, he had to remain still. I'll tell you the same, don't create your own feats. If he magically finishes C4, he'll still not dodge it since it would be extremely close to him.

All this isn't happening before C4 is ready. you realize it doesn't even have to be fully set or even transform into a Deidara form? He can stop creating when he see's the chakra arms coming for him (if he doesn't fly decent distance which I don't think you countered) then detonate and that would still be enough to defeat Bee as he can't even sense.

What are you talking about? I give you a strategy and you're talking about how it cannot be used before C4's prep that any other person can easily tell. No, he's not going to stop creating it when in the first place, he won't be seeing the attack coming:

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Not to mention the location is filled with trees

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making it harder for Deidara to actually see attacks and react faster.

If you're going to talk about the version he used against Onoki, then you should also show me how he created that, how he was going to deploy it and how wide its range was going to be...Did he do or show use any of that? No. If he could do so, he'd have used an easier version against Sasuke but he didn't magically learn a new one while he was dead.

Now you talk about making feats but you link the bolds? Deidara never ever showed he can stop the technique midway and then detonate the remaining parts he created. Not happening.

C4

When a giant doll in the form of Deidara burst, small bombs are released and scattered across a wide range. When these nano-sized bombs, impossible to be seen with ordinary human eyes, are inhaled, they will set themselves everywhere inside the body. The countless small explosions occurring throughout the body will destroy the target's body from within at the cellular level. The person themselves will be dead before they notice the attack!!

[picture of Deidara's C4 about to explode]
←Using the blast of the figure's explosion, the tiny bombs are scattered across a vast range!!

He'll be disrupted and yes I did say B can easily throw a Raiton knife and pencil at Deidara. B can easily push Deidara to keep moving and Deidara won't be stupid enough to stand still and use C4.

He won't know when to stop when he cannot see so he won't be stupid enough to do so.

Questionable, A giant arm holding a small blade? Its accuracy will be greatly lessened. Not to mention Deidara's bird can avoid objects coming at him in a linear pattern with ease (While still creating the C4 even) Chakra arms is your best bet/

Not the point...Once again with the bold. If Deidara moves, the technique is disrupted. "Flying to an unreasonable height" is your best bet.

What Giant arm? The hand doesn't not have to be extremely huge. B can extend it in it's normal hand shape form rather than it having it be huge.

Looked pretty dumb? Are you serious? Planned his attack to hit Gaara from like the beginning of the fight eventually sacrificing an arm to infiltrate his sand, Trolled a group of leaf ninja into gathering around his explosive clone then used it as a diversion in the heat of the moment to escape and fooled even Kakashi with his Sharingan. Then trolled NV's ultimate troller by using C4 Garuda his strongest attack as a trap and saw through Sasuke's genjutsu and lured him into a C4 Trap via a clone feint from the start, had Sasuke not have used Chidori Stream throughout his body he would have died Lol. Bee is smarter than he seems but still not that intelligent.

Not going to focus on this because it's sort of irrelevant...Don't have time to debate on intelligence but dumber characters have maneuvered smarter ones in this Manga.

They CAN reach him but as I said he can cancel the full C4 Garuda and merely activate C4 on a lesser scale which would still take him out. And again what stops Deidara from merely flying a considerable Distance away from Bee then using C4?

Like I countered...Not happening.

IF B goes to an unreasonable height, there's the fact that :

- BFR since he's so far that the Raiton won't be getting to him which sounds ridiculous...Any normal distance means he'll be touched by the Raiton blade. The ration blade can definitely travel much further since B's physical abilities are greatly enhanced with his cloak and the raiton to enhanced his blade. Add this with the fact that he can extend his twice.

- B can easily disrupt the clay molding since from a much higher range it's easier to do so.

- Like I said previously the location is filled with trees which means Deidara would actually struggle to mould his clay as mater of fact.

Not clone feints that he doesn't know about? Need I remind you Sasuke was fooled with ease.

Clone feints is useless when in the first place, your strategy revolves around Deidara fighting from above. Anything below is dealt with via ink clones. Either way, clones are non factors since he has clones to match them.

 

[Beans2]

This shit is still going on? I think most people here agree that Killer Bee would win.

 

[Zexion~]

What does cloak state have to do with this? And no it cannot be a Jutsu when he clearly utilizes it..I'll give you this since you best friend decided to give you a tag and countered.

Salty? Lol

Doesn't change anything since Bee can use his raiton sword or pencil to further his range while extending his arms. Like I said, the creation of an arm from the previous can also extend this. Deidera isn't dodging jack when preparing C4 since based on feats, he had to remain still. I'll tell you the same, don't create your own feats. If he magically finishes C4, he'll still not dodge it since it would be extremely close to him.

Are you visually impaired? Do you not see what he is standing on? Thats a clay bird that can move without the movement of Deidara himself. All he must do is merely spin around to the other side while still spewing clay in the same direction. But again no counter for him flying a considerable distance away? And i'll counter your pathetic excuse for a rebuttal about how he can't just cancel it midway and detonate when I get to it. Chakra arms are not that fast Oro evaded on the ground even when they were supposedly an ambush. Deidara's flight is easily able to avoid them. The ones that grow off the original have the disadvantage of shooting in one way. Again all this isn't happening by the time he finishes you're making it seem like this is taking roughly the time of Jiraiya's toad chant or some shit Lol

What are you talking about? I give you a strategy and you're talking about how it cannot be used before C4's prep that any other person can easily tell. No, he's not going to stop creating it when in the first place, he won't be seeing the attack coming:

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First off he can see when a giant chakra arm is blitzing at him, and he can here the raiton vibrating pencil shooting at him from the ground.

Second I hope you realize it was literally one scan until C4 was done.

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It takes about the time for Tobi to say oh crap. Im sick of your bullshitting ass making it seem like it takes minutes. The chakra arms wouldn't reach in time especially at the Height Deidara flies at

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Not to mention the location is filled with trees

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making it harder for Deidara to actually see attacks and react faster.

Do you know nothing about Deidara? His left eye has a magnifying device. Tree's don't do anything to hinder his sight.

If you're going to talk about the version he used against Onoki, then you should also show me how he created that, how he was going to deploy it and how wide its range was going to be...Did he do or show use any of that? No. If he could do so, he'd have used an easier version against Sasuke but he didn't magically learn a new one while he was dead.

Now you talk about making feats but you link the bolds? Deidara never ever showed he can stop the technique midway and then detonate the remaining parts he created. Not happening.

It would obviously make a smaller version of the Deidara doll, if he were to stop without fully spewing the clay he needs to make it that giant which he's already done

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But even interrupted the C4 would be much larger than that as again Deidara's height when using C4 is considerable

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one could even argue chakra arms wouldn't even reach.

He'll be disrupted and yes I did say B can easily throw a Raiton knife and pencil at Deidara. B can easily push Deidara to keep moving and Deidara won't be stupid enough to stand still and use C4.

If Bee pushes him into moving he out speeds Bee easily when in the air flies a good distance in front of Bee who with these tree's wont be able to see fully where Deidara is going and then use C4. A raiton knife that again he missed Kisame with from point blank range

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and again as I said just projectiles Deidara has to merely rotate around his spewing clay.

Not the point...Once again with the bold. If Deidara moves, the technique is disrupted. "Flying to an unreasonable height" is your best bet.

Again even if he is disrupted the size of the doll it makes would take out Bee easily.

What Giant arm? The hand doesn't not have to be extremely huge. B can extend it in it's normal hand shape form rather than it having it be huge.

Still don't see those chakra arms being able to hold something as small as a pencil.

Not going to focus on this because it's sort of irrelevant...Don't have time to debate on intelligence but dumber characters have maneuvered smarter ones in this Manga.

But have time to make false claims and pitiful arguments? Lol just stop


Like I countered...Not happening.

IF B goes to an unreasonable height, there's the fact that :

Deidara?

- BFR since he's so far that the Raiton won't be getting to him which sounds ridiculous...Any normal distance means he'll be touched by the Raiton blade. The ration blade can definitely travel much further since B's physical abilities are greatly enhanced with his cloak and the raiton to enhanced his blade. Add this with the fact that he can extend his twice.

Again bee couldn't hit point blank Kisame, Second the he can't extend it twice as the second arm sprouts from the wrist not the hand. Third Deidara can obviously rotate so it wouldn't hit him. Fourth it can be heard

- B can easily disrupt the clay molding since from a much higher range it's easier to do so.

Wait what?

- Like I said previously the location is filled with trees which means Deidara would actually struggle to mould his clay as mater of fact.

How so? You realize that the clay is actually already molded into a full Deidara doll before it hits the ground? (Another attribute to its speed that could counter most of your above arguments Lol) As the feet crack the ground when it lands if it were molded after it hit the ground that wouldn't have been the case as there would have been no force

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so it crushes any tree's in its way. Also proves that its made with incredible speed.

Clone feints is useless when in the first place, your strategy revolves around Deidara fighting from above. Anything below is dealt with via ink clones. Either way, clones are non factors since he has clones to match them.

I meant similar to the one he used against Sasuke

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Stop denying manga, when Orochimaru wanted to bind Tobirama, he couldn't FACT! When he use Zetsu's body (which has HAshirama's cells) it STRENGTHEN the bind, and accomplished something he couldnt do last time. Therefore "the body" clearly strengthen him.

If Zetsu is a weak character, creating a clone, then the clone would be no different.
If a strong character like Orochimaru, creating a clone, then the clone would be no different.

I assume you're talking about ET? That's Orochimaru's own ability though none of Zetsu's abilties have gotten any boost from Oro taking over, obviously the stronger the body he uses the more HIS OWN abilities are enhanced but not the bodies that he uses. You already stated that Kisame was remotely controlling the clone. Oro cant simulate this regardless so no clue why you're even still arguing against the manga's statement.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

I assume you're talking about ET? That's Orochimaru's own ability though none of Zetsu's abilties have gotten any boost from Oro taking over, obviously the stronger the body he uses the more HIS OWN abilities are enhanced but not the bodies that he uses.

When did I say Zetsu will get stronger inside Orochimaru? I said Zetsu ability, that Orochimaru now has, goes by the strength of Orochimaru NOT ZETSU.

You already stated that Kisame was remotely controlling the clone. Oro cant simulate this regardless so no clue why you're even still arguing against the manga's statement.

Because your not getting it. The reason why Zetsu needs to be controlled is because is he WEAK. Zetsu is Weak.

Orochimaru, strong. Get it now?
Orochimaru, strong.

Orochimaru strong. Therefore the abilities of Zetsu, goes by the strength of Orochimaru now. Parasites are copies therefore Parasite clone copies through Orochimaru.

 

[Zexion~]

When did I say Zetsu will get stronger inside Orochimaru? I said Zetsu ability, that Orochimaru now has, goes by the strength of Orochimaru NOT ZETSU.



Because your not getting it. The reason why Zetsu needs to be controlled is because is he WEAK. Zetsu is Weak.

Orochimaru, strong. Get it now?
Orochimaru, strong.

Orochimaru strong. Therefore the abilities of Zetsu, goes by the strength of Orochimaru now. Parasites are copies therefore Parasite clone copies through Orochimaru.

Except that has never even been proven to be a thing.... the only thing that varies is his chaka reserves so maybe he can do more of said ability. Orochimaru has knowledge over the abilities as they have been used by Zetsu nothing states that he can even make it stronger?

Then there's the fact that you aren't even logically stating HOW he does this you are just saying he can outright.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Except that has never even been proven to be a thing.... the only thing that varies is his chaka reserves so maybe he can do more of said ability. Orochimaru has knowledge over the abilities as they have been used by Zetsu nothing states that he can even make it stronger?

Then you aren't reading manga. Thats it. Orochimaru not using an ability stronger is like saying that every "medium" of bodies he took over, should have weaken his use of his abilities. And that if he were to hypothetically steal Kimmi and Sasuke's body, the same would have applied.

Then there's the fact that you aren't even logically stating HOW he does this you are just saying he can outright.

What? Yes I did we were arguing this in Orochiamru vs Kisame thread:

- Orochimaru can use Suiton affinity.
- Orochimaru has compatible reverse
- Orochiarmu class is comparable to Kisame
-Fushi Tensei gives you access to the body you possess abilities.

-Orochimaru can use spores to absorb chakra from Kisame. Dublicate kisame right down to his chakra, while the spores (that has Oro cells too) also absorbs intel of the character.

 

[Zexion~]

- Orochimaru can use Suiton affinity.
- Orochimaru has compatible reverse
- Orochiarmu class is comparable to Kisame
-Fushi Tensei gives you access to the body you possess abilities.

-Orochimaru can use spores to absorb chakra from Kisame. Dublicate kisame right down to his chakra, while the spores (that has Oro cells too) also absorbs intel of the character.

What? The fact that Zetsu taking Kisame's chakra was even relevant was merely to fool sensors. Having his chakra doesn't mean you can duplicate the techniques.

The spores don't automatically give you the ability to perform such high caliber jutsu nor do they provide instructions on how to manipulate the chakra in the exact way needed to cast jutsu. Thats like saying give Sasuke some of Kakashi's chakra and all of a sudden he can perform every raiton variant Kakash has.

That's never been justified anywhere in the manga at all literally the only thing that jutsu Zetsu used is good for is duplicating chakra.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

What? The fact that Zetsu taking Kisame's chakra was even relevant was merely to fool sensors. Having his chakra doesn't mean you can duplicate the techniques.

Too bad we have manga scans that he reacted like [

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The spores don't automatically give you the ability to perform such high caliber jutsu nor do they provide instructions on how to manipulate the chakra in the exact way needed to cast jutsu. Thats like saying give Sasuke some of Kakashi's chakra and all of a sudden he can perform every raiton variant Kakash has.

No but they can duplicate them phyically and right down to their chakra. Thus perform things the character can perform it, Like how Shadow Clones work. Pretty much how Sharingan does too, unless you trying to invalidate that too Lol.

 

[Zexion~]

Too bad we have manga scans that he reacted like [

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No but they can duplicate them phyically and right down to their chakra. Thus perform things the character can perform it, Like how Shadow Clones work. Pretty much how Sharingan does too, unless you trying to invalidate that too Lol.

- I don't see the point in those two first scans you posted.... in fact Kisame most likely would have avoided that, whereas Bee just flat out missed

-Kisame can cancel GWD from wherever he was

-Why would he even try and use GSB which would have taken them down if they wanted them to remain alive for Kisame to infiltrate. The clone didn't know what it was doing

-Cant make clones of other people nor can you duplicate such high level jutsu with Sharingan.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

- I don't see the point in those two first scans you posted.... in fact Kisame most likely would have avoided that, whereas Bee just flat out missed

Exactly my point, clone does what orignal Kisame could have done despite the clone being weak compare to orignal. You said the clone can't copy tech when the clone outright copied everything Kisame could have done.

-Kisame can cancel GWD from wherever he was

Too bad manga outright showed that Zetsu clone did. So speculate what he could of should of would of all you want.

-Why would he even try and use GSB which would have taken them down if they wanted them to remain alive for Kisame to infiltrate. The clone didn't know what it was doing

Questioning why doensnt change manga facts that he attempt to do it. Clone not knowing doesnt change the fact that the body itself attempt to use it.

So no excuse can be amount here. Case and Point.

-Cant make clones of other people nor can you duplicate such high level jutsu with Sharingan.

Um yes you can (parasite clone obv), Kisame Zetsu is a clone which did exactly that. Yes Sharingan otherwise Kakashi should have never copied Great Water Fall. Ignoring manga now since you refuse to concede here.

 

[Mugen Onsa]

Came into this thread thinking that Dei could have a chance with C3 but Bee wins I suppose