Nope. EjBlack tried to convince you otherwise amirite? I saw a bit of that argument. It's nonsense.
1. Parasitic Clones are weaker than the original, which in this case would be Orochimaru.
2. Zero proof that Orochimaru has the chakra to replicate Kisame's abilities at their regular level let alone Orochimaru's fodder clones.
3. Zero proof that they can even use the original's techniques to begin with. All they do is copy the appearance and chakra signature of the person they made contact with. Nothing ever said or implied that their jutsu would be copied too...but even if they can. Fodder clones from Oro aren't using Kisame's techs.
Ahh yes the parasitic clones was the link I was missing to countering that shit Lol forgot that was an ability of the clone not the Zetsu himself good looks my man
No...Sensors couldn't tell because of the fact that Samehada absorbs his chakra making it seem like they have the same when they actually don't. Very clear...They naturally do not have the same chakra but because Samehada is able to absorb his chakra, that's what makes sensors believe they do. If not, Zetsu won't have made the statement about people thinking they have the same chakra when they actually do. That statement signifies they don't but people think they do.
Very clear....The scan KG showed clearly shows when Kisame is merged with Samehada.When they are one which means they both have the same at that point so there's no differentiating between both at that point as a matter of fact.
Zetsu claims that the sensors noticed that Kisame had the same chakra as Samehada already but they just chalked it up to Samehada healing Kisame... You can't deny the giant They Think at the start of your scan? Samehada feeds on Kisame's chakra but Bee was also in possession of it so with your argument it should of shared Bee's chakra as well and then Kisame would have been sensed
Lol Zexion stop..You know you're wrong but you don't want to concede. "They think" isn't a factor when I brought this in
"If not, Zetsu won't have made the statement about people thinking they have the same chakra when they actually do. That statement signifies they don't but people think they do for a certain reason."
No doubt especially when the identical chakra point was mentioned when both merged with each other and Samehada naturally absorbs his chakra to fool people.
Raiton, great reflexes and generally above average speed (For Deidara's tier), defensive capabilities that would only be busted by his larger art works. Double edge sword for Deidara, raiton ruins that idea.
Killer Bee wins quiet easily. Ignore the Zoologist, he argues for the sake of arguing.
Lol Zexion stop..You know you're wrong but you don't want to concede. "They think" isn't a factor when I brought this in
"If not, Zetsu won't have made the statement about people thinking they have the same chakra when they actually do. That statement signifies they don't but people think they do for a certain reason."
No doubt especially when the identical chakra point was mentioned when both merged with each other and Samehada naturally absorbs his chakra to fool people.
No you just have no idea what context is I see Lol
Zetsu stated that as the reason the sensors believe they have identical chakra is obviously wrong. You're argument has literally been shitted on by Kisame himself who stated they have Identical Chakra. He never said it was just at this moment or that he was feeding Samehda chakra just that their chakra is identical.
You're whole argument is completely wrong in the first place if it truly was Samehada who was giving chakra to Kisame to make it "Identical" how does that make any sense? Kisame still has vast VAST reserves of his own chakra in his body that could still be sensed.
If you're argument is based on Kisame feeding Samehada chakra to make it "Identical" I'm fairly certain Bee would have noticed that, just as Kisame can tell when Samehada is liking the chakra its feasting on or not.
Kisames Statement> Zetsu's
You just don't know how to read the english language apparently, Nor do you understand common chakra logic
Lord Zexion now I believe you're either hard headed or just ignorant. Not going to bother anymore...At least I could convince Kidgamer who's more reasonable as this ish is too clear.
Next time, read and understand that Kisame stated they had identical chakra when they were merged which surprised him, are you this difficult that I have to repeat it over and over again? Zetsu said sensors think they do for a reason...He won't have to say that if they actually had the same. You're not even making sense "Zetsu stated the reason why sensors believe is wrong" ...In the first place, Zetsu won't have to point it out if didn't have any significance...He pointed it out because it was a significant reason to why people thougt the wrong thing. If they had the same, there'll be no reason to point it out at all because they truly did. You're telling me he randomly said sensors thought they did when they actually did but he felt he needed to point out a reason for why sensors thought they did when they actually do. You don't make one bit of sense my boy.
The reason for pointing it out was because Kisame was inside Samehada while B was wielding it making the Sensors unaware.
The top right panel left panel in this scan here proves it
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"The sensor types haven't noticed a thing"...Last time I checked there was only one sensor type that came after Kisame had merged which was C... Which means there was a reason to why Kisame couldn't be noticed as they thought they had the same chakra when they were merged. No one during the fight was a sensor type so the plural was in reference to the other shinobis that had seen B after the fight...Which means Kisame was already merged at that point.
Zetsu said that after the fight as he was holding Kisame's head while talking to other Zetsu...Proof of this is when the other Zetsu says " It's a stealth mission I could have done" which means the sensor types not noticing a thing was in reference to when they were merged already...The sensor types didn't notice Kisame because they thought he had the same chakra with Samehada which B was holding....The reason why they didn't notice Kisame was because they thought their chakra was one as Zetsu gave the reason for why they thought so...Don't speak about reading and understanding Zex Lol.
Oh and the Sensor type not noticing a thing is a valid point considering sensor types were only apparent after the merging occured which was when B was already roaming round with Samehada as that was when Zetsu was telling his partner...Hence the reason why people didn't know he was in Samehada since they didn't notice a thing. Common sense says the Zetsu point was to give a reason for why people did not know Kisame was inside since it seemed the chakra of both were the same and sensors would only sense one chakra.
Lord Zexion now I believe you're either hard headed or just ignorant. Not going to bother anymore...At least I could convince Kidgamer who's more reasonable as this ish is too clear.
Next time, read and understand that Kisame stated they had identical chakra when they were merged which surprised him, are you this difficult that I have to repeat it over and over again? Zetsu said sensors think they do for a reason...He won't have to say that if they actually had the same. You're not even making sense "Zetsu stated the reason why sensors believe is wrong" ...In the first place, Zetsu won't have to point it out if didn't have any significance...He pointed it out because it was a significant reason to why people thougt the wrong thing. If they had the same, there'll be no reason to point it out at all because they truly did. You're telling me he randomly said sensors thought they did when they actually did but he felt he needed to point out a reason for why sensors thought they did when they actually do. You don't make one bit of sense my boy.
The reason for pointing it out was because Kisame was inside Samehada while B was wielding it making the Sensors unaware.
The top right panel left panel in this scan here proves it
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"The sensor types haven't noticed a thing"...Last time I checked there was only one sensor type that came after Kisame had merged which was C... Which means there was a reason to why Kisame couldn't be noticed as they thought they had the same chakra when they were merged. No one during the fight was a sensor type so the plural was in reference to the other shinobis that had seen B after the fight...Which means Kisame was already merged at that point.
Zetsu said that after the fight as he was holding Kisame's head while talking to other Zetsu...Proof of this is when the other Zetsu says " It's a stealth mission I could have done" which means the sensor types not noticing a thing was in reference to when they were merged already...The sensor types didn't notice Kisame because they thought he had the same chakra with Samehada which B was holding....The reason why they didn't notice Kisame was because they thought their chakra was one as Zetsu gave the reason for why they thought so...Don't speak about reading and understanding Zex Lol.
Yeah you are correct forgot that they were actually merged throughout the stealth mission... I was thinking he merely was hiding inside of it. Whoopsies thats all you really had to say though....
However Bee still can't merge my man not without feats given and mastery over the blade such as Kisame has shown. So Deidara can still win if C4 is pulled out
Yeah you are correct forgot that they were actually merged throughout the stealth mission... I was thinking he merely was hiding inside of it. Whoopsies thats all you really had to say though....
However Bee still can't merge my man not without feats given and mastery over the blade such as Kisame has shown. So Deidara can still win if C4 is pulled out
" Can't read the Manga/English properly" "Can't understand common Manga logic" and you ended being wrong all along...Such confidence Lol. I didn't need to construct this entire post for you to understand that Zetsu won't randomly say sensors( who weren't even present during the fight) think their chakra is identical when it actually is...There was a reason why he said that. To prove it had a significant reason for people thinking they did when they don't.
B can't merge because of Mastery? The Manga doesn't need to give feats of him merging when in the first place, the manga didn't put any restrictions...When in the first place, the Manga didn't give or state a special reason to why Kisame (who doesn't have the same chakra as the blade) can merge with it. Don't bring in Mastery when B who never wielded it got chakra from the blade...Mastery is not the reason when you have the fact that it's Samehada who does the merging considering Kisame couldnt even move after B's latiat till Samehada started the merging process. If it was Mastery, Kisame would have died since he couldn't move to show his Mastery of the blade in that scenario...Hence it's the blade that does the merging as it has shown to give chakra to B who never used it... Kisame even said Samehada has more than just natural liking for the Hachibi's chakra...When the Manga or DB gives an actual reason to why Kisame is able to do so that prevents others from not being able to do the same, then I'll not use this point...However, it doesn't state it anywhere so I'm free to use it given the points I've shown. You resorted to the wiki Lol...I countered you with the same wiki.
C4 is a non factor even without Samehada since the prep time leaves Deidara open for an attack from B.
After reading through this debate, Bee stomps. Or maybe I can use ABC logic. Hebi Sasuke was trolling Deidara even without intent to kill. Killer Bee at base was pretty much punking him and Team Taka all together. So by this, Killer Bee stomps. Or is that logic flawed? (._. )
Bee absolutely stomps. His speed in base enabled him to keep up with Taka, and his v2 form enabled him to outright blitz the Samaheda-wielding Kisame. Then there's his Raiton which counters Deidara's bombs, and extra durability in v2. This is a rout.
Bee completely slices him. His base form is enough with Samehada. Deidara's attacks has literally no effects on him. W/o Samehada, he could enter V2 in a second and beats the f*ck out Deidara. The latter is bad at Taijutsu.
B can't merge because of Mastery? The Manga doesn't need to give feats of him merging when in the first place, the manga didn't put any restrictions...When in the first place, the Manga didn't give or state a special reason to why Kisame (who doesn't have the same chakra as the blade) can merge with it. Don't bring in Mastery when B who never wielded it got chakra from the blade
*sigh* Back to idiocy I see, so because Samehada gave him chakra he has mastery over the sword? Lol What kinda bull is that, Samehada obviously wants to keep Bee alive at all costs since its infatuated with his chakra. Bee can't merge with it sorry thats just how it is, create your own feats all you want you're still always going to be wrong. Bee was healed by Samehada already and there was no signs of merging like it did with Kisame.
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..Mastery is not the reason when you have the fact that it's Samehada who does the merging considering Kisame couldnt even move after B's latiat till Samehada started the merging process.
Samehada is a weapon that requires chakra control so mastering it has nothing to do with phsyical movement and everything to do with chakra sharing and abilities which Kisame has done for years.
...Hence it's the blade that does the merging as it has shown to give chakra to B who never used it... Kisame even said Samehada has more than just natural liking for the Hachibi's chakra...When the Manga or DB gives an actual reason to why Kisame is able to do so that prevents others from not being able to do the same, then I'll not use this point...However, it doesn't state it anywhere so I'm free to use it given the points I've shown. You resorted to the wiki Lol...I countered you with the same wiki.
What? Yes thats what you do when there is no DB Page you fool.
Anyways yeah keep making up feats, your comparing two totally different wielders of the blade with totally different chakras? Bee hasn't even shown much with Samehada honestly besides barely absorbing a fire ball's middle part. If your going to claim ambiguous there is nothing to be done honestly you're just going to be a fool I suppose.
C4 is a non factor even without Samehada since the prep time leaves Deidara open for an attack from B.
Prep time? What is Bee going to be doing while Deidara's on his bird? Not to mention the preparations aren't even long at all..
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Also I highly doubt bee is stupid enough to charge head when Deidara's creating a giant ass explosion that he believes is a normal one and will take out everything near him.. Which Sasuke realized
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Bee has next to no range besides pencils which can be avoided. Not to mention he couldn't even hit Kisame point blank doubt he'd strike a Deidara plenty of meters in the air.
After reading through this debate, Bee stomps. Or maybe I can use ABC logic. Hebi Sasuke was trolling Deidara even without intent to kill. Killer Bee at base was pretty much punking him and Team Taka all together. So by this, Killer Bee stomps. Or is that logic flawed? (._
Sasuke only survived due to his ability with Raiton, which Bee hasn't shown to the Mastery Sasuke has...he gets taken out by C4 if Deidara can get it off
*sigh* Back to idiocy I see, so because Samehada gave him chakra he has mastery over the sword? Lol What kinda bull is that, Samehada obviously wants to keep Bee alive at all costs since its infatuated with his chakra. Bee can't merge with it sorry thats just how it is, create your own feats all you want you're still always going to be wrong. Bee was healed by Samehada already and there was no signs of merging like it did with Kisame
Yeah I'm back to idiocy?..FOH with this bullshit you call an argument.
So because he merged with Samehada shows his mastery? You're incredibly desperate...so desperate that you went to quote the wiki to me that I canceled out. I'm not wrong until you give legitimate reasons which till now you haven't...If I'm wrong, the Manga would have to prove me wrong but not even the Manga supports this nonsense regarding "His Mastery of the blade is the reason why he could merge". When the Manga does, then you're right.
Because it healed+merged... something it should of done with bee but didn't.
It healed B and gave him stamina to the extent when B could stand back up, access V1 and use a lariat:
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Same thing with Kisame before the full merging occurred
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your Wiki friend refers to as a partial fusion.
Sometimes, I feel like I'm arguing with an incredibly stupid person...Samehada didn't merge after it healed B because it already merged with Kisame at that point.
Samehada is a weapon that requires chakra control so mastering it has nothing to do with phsyical movement and everything to do with chakra sharing and abilities which Kisame has done for years.
Now you resort to something that was not stated from what I know to prove your point....Not to mention this is extremely irrelevant since charka control isn't what's behind the merging. Get it and show me.
What? Yes thats what you do when there is no DB Page you fool.
Lol you're a disgrace I swear....So when there's no databook, you use the wiki that's not even made by the creators? Pure nonsense. If you didn't know, the wiki made a lot of things that they had to change. They didn't add a lot of information and even wrongly named techniques until the DB or Manga named them. If you think the wiki is what you use as a reliable source when there's no DB or Manga explanation to a scenario, then I have now words for your stupidity. You've been here since 2012 before me and here you are embarrassing yourself regarding this.
When the Manga or DB gives a reason to why Kisame can but B cannot, then I'll accept B isn't able to merge...However the points I've given following what the Manga has given to us, there's no restricted reason to why B cannot.
Anyways yeah keep making up feats, your comparing two totally different wielders of the blade with totally different chakras? Bee hasn't even shown much with Samehada honestly besides barely absorbing a fire ball's middle part. If your going to claim ambiguous there is nothing to be done honestly you're just going to be a fool I suppose.
Anyways keep talking your nonsense as usual...I already proved you wrong on this chakra topic. Kisame and Samehada do not have the same chakra but they can merge. What reason is there to believe B cannot? Samehada contains B's weapons in its mouth as shown with Itachi, has more than an "Just" affinity for Hachibi's chakra . B not using Samehada much =/= B not being able to use it. If you're going to be an idiot like you usually are, there's not reason to waste time on dummy.
Your whole argument is based on the fact that it does not sound right....That's not equal to him to being able to do so.
Prep time? What is Bee going to be doing while Deidara's on his bird? Not to mention the preparations aren't even long at all..
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I already told you in V1 and V2, chakra arms can be used to catch him
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If you think B would do nothing before then then you're incredibly dumber that I thought.
Also I highly doubt bee is stupid enough to charge head when Deidara's creating a giant ass explosion that he believes is a normal one and will take out everything near him.. Which Sasuke realized
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Bee has next to no range besides pencils which can be avoided. Not to mention he couldn't even hit Kisame point blank doubt he'd strike a Deidara plenty of meters in the air.
Chakra arms says Hi...Not to mention he can extend his chakra arms which would make dodging harder for Deidara...There's also the fact that B is a Ration user which can counter Deidara's bombs.
Don't bring in mastery when he channeled Ration through his sword and matched Sasuke's Raiton sword as well...You're just lying to yourself.
Yeah I'm back to idiocy?..FOH with this bullshit you call an argument.
So because he merged with Samehada shows his mastery? You're incredibly desperate...so desperate that you went to quote the wiki to me that I canceled out. I'm not wrong until you give legitimate reasons which till now you haven't...If I'm wrong, the Manga would have to prove me wrong but not even the Manga supports this nonsense regarding "His Mastery of the blade is the reason why he could merge". When the Manga does, then you're right.
It healed B and gave him stamina to the extent when B could stand back up, access V1 and use a lariat:
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Same thing with Kisame before the full merging occurred
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your Wiki friend refers to as a partial fusion.
Sometimes, I feel like I'm arguing with an incredibly stupid person...Samehada didn't merge after it healed B because it already merged with Kisame at that point.
Now you resort to something that was not stated from what I know to prove your point....Not to mention this is extremely irrelevant since charka control isn't what's behind the merging. Get it and show me.
Lol you're a disgrace I swear....So when there's no databook, you use the wiki that's not even made by the creators? Pure nonsense. If you didn't know, the wiki made a lot of things that they had to change. They didn't add a lot of information and even wrongly named techniques until the DB or Manga named them. If you think the wiki is what you use as a reliable source when there's no DB or Manga explanation to a scenario, then I have now words for your stupidity. You've been here since 2012 before me and here you are embarrassing yourself regarding this.
When the Manga or DB gives a reason to why Kisame can but B cannot, then I'll accept B isn't able to merge...However the points I've given following what the Manga has given to us, there's no restricted reason to why B cannot.
Anyways keep talking your nonsense as usual...I already proved you wrong on this chakra topic. Kisame and Samehada do not have the same chakra but they can merge. What reason is there to believe B cannot? Samehada contains B's weapons in its mouth as shown with Itachi, has more than an "Just" affinity for Hachibi's chakra . B not using Samehada much =/= B not being able to use it. If you're going to be an idiot like you usually are, there's not reason to waste time on dummy.
Your whole argument is based on the fact that it does not sound right....That's not equal to him to being able to do so.
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I already told you in V1 and V2, chakra arms can be used to catch him
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If you think B would do nothing before then then you're incredibly dumber that I thought.
Chakra arms says Hi...Not to mention he can extend his chakra arms which would make dodging harder for Deidara...There's also the fact that B is a Ration user which can counter Deidara's bombs.
Don't bring in mastery when he channeled Ration through his sword and matched Sasuke's Raiton sword as well...You're just lying to yourself.
Yo omg, all you do is ****ing create your own feats I swear don't call me a disgrace when you literally bullshit your way through your argument, **** this shit debate me? Clearly you think you can argue with your made up fallacies? I'm not saying this matchup as bee mostly wins but clearly you need to realize your place here Lol You half bit KG Clone
Your creator has used wiki scans multiple times as long as its not an official debate its fine for people to learn about certain things
Enough of this lets settle this officially as for this matchup
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Bottom right it merged before he healed
-Obito knew what eating clay meant in the first place :| and he jumped off the branch he was on nothing more nothing less. Meanwhile the opponent was baffled and couldn't move at all.
-Chakra arms? What feats do those have of their range? Oro avoided them on the ground and for Deidara to use C4 he needs to fly unusually high up in the first place they're not reaching him most likely
-So channeling your raiton through an object means he can be precise enough to channel it throughout his body? Not to mention he doesn't even know its doton.
Again challenge me with a real debate before you start acting reckless
Yeah man, challenge Zex on a real debate. Like which political party is better for America, or if Intelligent Design is eligible to be taught to children in schools!
Yeah man, challenge Zex on a real debate. Like which political party is better for America, or if Intelligent Design is eligible to be taught to children in schools!
Dude is a fkn clown...No need to waste my time on that Amateur. He said "My creator used Wiki scans" "Half KG Clone" but still utters stuff like this from his mouth:
"Obito knew what eating clay was so he ran"(An apparent reason to why B who doesn't know what it is should stand there an not do anything) "What feats do chakra arms have of their range" "Kidgamer used the wiki before "(Which is a legitimate reason to why he can use that as backup)
Lmao my guy you're fuqin joke...If Kidgamer has not told you, then he's definitely trying to make you feel better. Why should I take a clown in an official debate when I literally just shat all over your face and made you concede? Come back when you're good enough and when you've read the Manga to a certain extent. You're weak af.....Evani becomes a Kidgamer wanker just because I make someone feel some type of way. Your excuses aren't good enough boys. I'm out, even the others who merely read my points said they were convinced B would stomp. Fuq outta here with your jokes.
Dude is a fkn clown...No need to waste my time on that Amateur. He said "My creator used Wiki scans" "Half KG Clone" but still utters stuff like this from his mouth:
"Obito knew what eating clay was so he ran"(An apparent reason to why B who doesn't know what it is should stand there an not do anything) "What feats do chakra arms have of their range" "Kidgamer used the wiki before "(Which is a legitimate reason to why he can use that as backup)
Lmao my guy you're fuqin joke...If Kidgamer has not told you, then he's definitely trying to make you feel better. Why should I take a clown in an official debate when I literally just shat all over your face and made you concede? Come back when you're good enough and when you've read the Manga to a certain extent. You're weak af.....Evani becomes a Kidgamer wanker just because I make someone feel some type of way. Your excuses aren't good enough boys. I'm out, even the others who merely read my points said they were convinced B would stomp. Fuq outta here with your jokes.
Lmfao...Can't take a joke? No need for your life story you were a noob KG taught you everything you know. Lol if you think I was serious there then well your foolishness knows no bounds
Again debate me then? Forever trying to come at my neck with your made up argument
"Obito knew what eating clay was so he ran"(An apparent reason to why B who doesn't know what it is should stand there an not do anything) "What feats do chakra arms have of their range" "Kidgamer used the wiki before "(Which is a legitimate reason to why he can use that as backup)
Lmfao I posted the Wiki so your ignorant mind may actually gain some intelligence but I can see its hopeless with you Lol
Yes notice how Obito ran and Sasuke stood baffled :| Lmfao pitiful attempt to humiliate as the point is valid
I'm legit asking you to post scans about how far the chakra arms go? If you cant even do that you don't belong on here
Lmfao no counters because you're nothing but a fool XD
Yeah man, challenge Zex on a real debate. Like which political party is better for America, or if Intelligent Design is eligible to be taught to children in schools!
, summonings and the alliance in that place and could extend his arms to the far ends and even to the mid top which in length laughs at C4 and how close Deidara has to be to the ground when executing it.
Unless this idiot thinks Deidara is going to be so high that he won't be able to see B..That wasn't the range last time I checked when he used C4 so use what he showed if you want me to stick to the Range the arm gave us. Not to mention, he can use the trees in this location to extend his range.
thats all you really had to say though.... 
