Kisame vs Hokages

[Hokage4]

Tsunade and maybe kakashi. But the others beat him. Hiruzen could win if he plays his cards right

 

[Zexion~]

Nothing stops him from dismembering Kisame unless he becomes super durable in his Kisamehada form...which is something I don't recall.

Disembering him withhh? What that suiton?....Samehada?

And if he fuses then the suiton gets absorbed upon contact... Plus water prison would suffice

 

[Transcendence]

Naruto and Hashirama absolutely annihilate him without thinking.

Minato FTG blitzes (and don't come at me with a dumb argument because he could barely react to Lariat and that was V1 Ay IIRC and even if it was V2 it's still slower compared to FTG) and slices his neck off.

Tobirama much of the same with slightly more difficulty.

Kisame beats Tsunade, Hiruzen and Kakashi.

 

[KidGamer65]

Disembering him withhh? What that suiton?....Samehada?

Um...a sword? Lol.

And if he fuses then the suiton gets absorbed upon contact...

Not a sword, or any other weapon.

Plus water prison would suffice

Doesn't stop Tobirama from getting to him.

 

[Zexion~]

Um...a sword? Lol.


Not a sword, or any other weapon.



Doesn't stop Tobirama from getting to him.

And how would he randomly blitz Kisame? When he was going toe to toe with Killer Bee? Who's sword play is leagues above Tobirama's?

Ftg? He has to tag via touch if Kisame starts the battle with his major suiton you can't tag water so he won't be able to do anything with that. Pure blitz speed? Again Kisame was keeping up with 4 tails Bee.

Once Kisame even pulls out a suiton this match is over Tobirama hasn't shown anything large enough scale to wipe out the sution himself and everything he throws at him gets absorbed and he gets pawned by merely shark suitons WD isn't even needed

 

[KidGamer65]

And how would he randomly blitz Kisame? When he was going toe to toe with Killer Bee? Who's sword play is leagues above Tobirama's?

Lol. Hiraishin. Obviously. Not to mention Tobirama's Shunshin is leagues above V1 B's anyways.

Ftg? He has to tag via touch if Kisame starts the battle with his major suiton you can't tag water so he won't be able to do anything with that. Pure blitz speed? Again Kisame was keeping up with 4 tails Bee.

Tag? Lol. Why would he have to tag him when he can throw Kunai at him? Pure blitz speed? Probably not gonna happen, but then again, someone slower than him (Madara) almost blitzed Sage Naruto, who is> Kisame in reactions.

Once Kisame even pulls out a suiton this match is over Tobirama hasn't shown anything large enough scale to wipe out the sution himself

And why would he have to wipe it out to beat him? Did Gai wipe out his Bakusui Shoha when he shat on Kisame's clone?

Nope.

and everything he throws at him gets absorbed

Sword Slashes can't get absorbed.

and he gets pawned by merely shark suitons

When they can actually touch him then we can talk about him getting pawned. Did we bump our heads and forget that he has Hiraishin?

WD isn't even needed

Lol, get that shit out of here. If he doesn't use Water dome, Tobirama would manhandle his ass.

 

[TRE MERCER]

He beats Tobirama(With or without edo) Alive Minato,Hiruzen(Prime or Edo doesn't matter),Kakashi(Sharingan restricted ofc).

Naruto and Hashirama would stomp him.​

 

[Zexion~]

Lmfao feats of Tobirama using FTG Kunai? Unless he's used them towards the end of the manga thats pure bias my man, your so quick to dissolve my arguments when they can not be proven by the manga but then go and pull one out yourself, Tobirama can only Hirashin to places he's tagged by hand.

Lml Shunsin hype is pathetic at this point, in a battle with hundreds of participants landing blows isn't always attributed to speed. No matter Kisame isn't skilled in speed he's skilled in countering it, using his strength and agility to provide the perfect counter to blows that are coming at great speeds.

Without your biased FTG Kunais which is a trademark for one shinobi and one only, he loses.


Why is your assumption that SM Naruto has better reactions? Bee>MS Sasuke in speed > SM naruto in speed

 

[KidGamer65]

Lmfao feats of Tobirama using FTG Kunai?

It's called marking a Kunai.

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Unless he's used them towards the end of the manga thats pure bias my man

Read above. Should've saved the mini rant for the event I was wrong, which I'm not.

, your so quick to dissolve my arguments when they can not be proven by the manga but then go and pull one out yourself, Tobirama can only Hirashin to places he's tagged by hand.

Lol, you give Kakuzu feats he doesn't have, nor can he logically get unless you have more evidence than "make multiple bolts". Marking a Kunai is a feat Tobirama can get, because he can mark ANY item. Lol, please don't compare the two. My arguments are correct, yours aren't.

Lml Shunsin hype is pathetic at this point, in a battle with hundreds of participants landing blows isn't always attributed to speed.

This isn't a battle with hundreds of participants though.

No matter Kisame isn't skilled in speed he's skilled in countering it, using his strength and agility to provide the perfect counter to blows that are coming at great speeds.

Not an argument. All you told me is that he has strength and ability. Didn't bother to mention how this is going to let him counter, but it doesn't matter anyway. Shunshin lets him mark Kisame. A man with faster reactions could only block against a slower man, so Kisame gets done worse. In this time, he's marked, and then killed.

Assuming he foolishly forgoes the Water Dome that is. Lol.

Without your biased FTG Kunais which is a trademark for one shinobi and one only, he loses.

Considering he's shown to mark Kunai before, he shits on this clown w/o Water Dome.

-His Suitons are non factors since they can't even hit Tobirama.

-He can barely react to his Shunshin let alone Hiraishin. Dude got blitzed by V2 B, who is not faster than Tobirama.

-Samehada can't regrow his limbs.

So either he's tagged and cut apart bit by bit, or he gets blitzed with a Kunai, or any object that Tobirama marks and is cut, tagged, and then raped over and over again.

Water Dome is the only reason this match is debatable.

Why is your assumption that SM Naruto has better reactions? Bee>MS Sasuke in speed > SM naruto in speed

Because his reaction feats shit on Kisame's. Reacting to Madara (Albeit barely), who's Shunshin is >>>Killer B's by feats. Reacting to the 3rd Raikage and evading his attack at the last minute. Reacting Not talking about movement speed, nor is Sasuke's movement speed relevant, cause it's not faster than B's either, and his reaction speed is not on par with SM Naruto's, not by feats.

 

[Izou Xaxa]

Kisame beats Tsunade well the others will be difficult

 

[Beans2]

How does Tobirama/Minato deal with water dome? (besides Edo Tensei)

-Can't mark the liquid water so he isn't teleporting it away.
-Can't throw quickly kunais underwater or mark the battlefield
-not seeing how they'd escape water dome so sooner or later, they'd drown.
-Samehada heals any kunai strike rather easily. Kisame may be able to even react to them and kill them with a mutual strike, since underwater their striking speed is slowed down by water pressure....not seeing how they'd get near Kisame in the first place though.
-Sharks can be made to scoop up FTG kunais in their mouths and congregate in one place, then trap them in a water prison.

 

[KidGamer65]

How does Tobirama/Minato deal with water dome? (besides Edo Tensei)

-Can't mark the liquid water so he isn't teleporting it away.
-Can't throw quickly kunais underwater or mark the battlefield
-not seeing how they'd escape water dome so sooner or later, they'd drown.
-Samehada heals any kunai strike rather easily. Kisame may be able to even react to them and kill them with a mutual strike, since underwater their striking speed is slowed down by water pressure....not seeing how they'd get near Kisame in the first place though.
-Sharks can be made to scoop up FTG kunais in their mouths and congregate in one place, then trap them in a water prison.

Depends on intel. If they have full intel, it's easy since they'll be able to mark areas far away, so they can teleport out of the dome. If not, when Kisame swims, the dome follows him. Using clones to go multiple directions lets them escape. Minato has it better since he has support from his Boss Toads.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

How does Tobirama/Minato deal with water dome? (besides Edo Tensei)

-Can't mark the liquid water so he isn't teleporting it away.
-Can't throw quickly kunais underwater or mark the battlefield
-not seeing how they'd escape water dome so sooner or later, they'd drown.
-Samehada heals any kunai strike rather easily. Kisame may be able to even react to them and kill them with a mutual strike, since underwater their striking speed is slowed down by water pressure....not seeing how they'd get near Kisame in the first place though.
-Sharks can be made to scoop up FTG kunais in their mouths and congregate in one place, then trap them in a water prison.

Well Naturally, FTG users have an outside battlefield tags that they can use. If thats allowed, other wise they need intel.

With intel they can mark an area thats far extends WD. If outside battlefield tags are allowed then they can simply warp the Dome away to that location

 

[Red Flag X Drake]

I honestly don't think he can beat any.

 

[Gold Lightning]

How does Tobirama/Minato deal with water dome? (besides Edo Tensei)

-Can't mark the liquid water so he isn't teleporting it away.
-Can't throw quickly kunais underwater or mark the battlefield
-not seeing how they'd escape water dome so sooner or later, they'd drown.
-Samehada heals any kunai strike rather easily. Kisame may be able to even react to them and kill them with a mutual strike, since underwater their striking speed is slowed down by water pressure....not seeing how they'd get near Kisame in the first place though.
-Sharks can be made to scoop up FTG kunais in their mouths and congregate in one place, then trap them in a water prison.

Considering the distance and speed Minato can set markings, WD wouldn't be any trouble at all. If he has his pre marked destinations, then WD is a non factor. Considering he teleported the Juubis tbb, WD is also teleported else where. If we remove all forms of markings and FTG, minato still escapes. Add boss toads (excellent swimmers and highly efficient under water), as well as shadow clones as distractions, then all WD really does is delay the inevitable.

Tobirama uses doesn't have toads, so he just uses multiple shadow clone jutsu. Makes a few dozen clones, they all swim off into different directions. Whichever cline escapes first, Tobirama teleports directly to the escaped clone. This s assuming Tobirama doesn't already have a marking outside.

 

[New Dawn]

Kisame is a ****ing beast. He beats all except minato, naruto, Hashi and Tobirama. He beats Tsunade Mid diff. He beats kakashi Mid diff. He beats Hiruzen high diff. /thread.

 

[Unorthodox]

Nothing stops him from dismembering Kisame unless he becomes super durable in his Kisamehada form...which is something I don't recall.

Nope Kisame shits

Considering the distance and speed Minato can set markings, WD wouldn't be any trouble at all. If he has his pre marked destinations, then WD is a non factor. Considering he teleported the Juubis tbb, WD is also teleported else where. If we remove all forms of markings and FTG, minato still escapes. Add boss toads (excellent swimmers and highly efficient under water), as well as shadow clones as distractions, then all WD really does is delay the inevitable.

Tobirama uses doesn't have toads, so he just uses multiple shadow clone jutsu. Makes a few dozen clones, they all swim off into different directions. Whichever cline escapes first, Tobirama teleports directly to the escaped clone. This s assuming Tobirama doesn't already have a marking outside.

didnt read heard these arguments before clones swimming in different directions get picked off by thousands of sharks coming from every direction bunta is also skinned by these sharks even if he gets out of waterdome gets outlasted pure in simple he cannot teleport water it is not a solid material thus the kunai only warps itself out of water and if he can warp waterdome where to because kisame would follow it.

Kisame > them both at the same damn time

 

[KidGamer65]

Nope Kisame shits

If you can't read the manga and/or you are a troll, then yes, you'd believe Kisame shits.

 

[Beans2]

Depends on intel. If they have full intel, it's easy since they'll be able to mark areas far away, so they can teleport out of the dome. If not, when Kisame swims, the dome follows him. Using clones to go multiple directions lets them escape. Minato has it better since he has support from his Boss Toads.

then he summons sharks to swim after Tobirama and his clones and kill him
sharks' swimming underwater > tobirama's swimming speed

tobirama would get overwhelmed by all the sharks.

 

[Zexion~]

I guess he did show he could do it in the waning chapters *sigh* Kishi is such a troll.

Even with the kunai Kisame still wins. With water dome. We all know its exceedingly harder to throw things underwater so his FTG Kunai isn't providing any means for escape.

Speed feats that put him over Bee/MS Sasuke?

Everything he has gets tanked except you're shitty speed arguments which are useless underwater, so regardless if any large scale suiton is released he loses. Even if its not WD Kisame can still go under.