why people criticize so much characters who change

[legarcon]

I mean characters like sasuke, obito, nagato, kabuto get a ot of critics for the changes they went through, but after all in my opinion the characters who always stay the same, characters who never change of personality or ideals are boring, it would be boring to see a character doing the same thing over and over, even if they´re cool in the beggining it eventually gets old and people get tired of them.
I dont mind if a character changes of personality or ideals or believes as long as the story shows a logic progression for that change of ideas.

 

[Angelic.]

in other words madara sucks

im happy for kabuto obito and sasuke.

 

[obito uchiha the wraith]

some people are afraid of change and dont understand it and some people think change equals inconsistency which it does but not in the way they think.

 

[Ansatsuken]

What do you mean by change here, personality or techniques?

You said about personality
-But what I'm remember only Obito is the only one we got to see his personality/ideal change gave an impact and its interesting. Kabuto or Nagato or Sasuke cant be said the same. All three peoples just happen to change their ideal in last moment and then died(Nagato) or trapped in IT(Kabuto). What really interesting about that.

You said about "characters doing the same thing everytime is not cool anymore" is like you referring to techniques used by characters.
-Yeah sure Naruto techniques is quite boring, Clones and Rasengan and Chakra Mode that's all.

Edit: Itachi also had his own interesting moments when his ideal change

That's just my example.

 

[UchihaGodMadara]

A True Shinobi (unlike Sasuke) stays true to their beliefs till the end.

 

[Mahesvara]

It's called character development :hmm:

 

[awesomeseimei]

Well, to be honest, one of my favorite character traits is the ability to stick to one's ideals/tasks. I appreciate interesting character development and I can understand it when a character is in doubts, looking for their way and all that, but usually I like other archetypes - those who are loyal and true to themselves, even when it leads to their downfall.

 

[UzumakiWade]

I accept all of them besides Kabuto and Sasuke.

Kabuto helped start an entire f*cking war for almost no reason if memory serves correct, i understand that he had a pitiful childhood and that Orochimaru took him in and all that but if he wanted revenge for Orochimaru, target the actual killer instead damn it.

Do i really need to comment about Sasuke? Might aswell, but ill keep it sweet and short to avoid the countless amount of rage i might get. His continuous mood swings from good to evil like he was bipolar was just annoying. "Im going to work on the good side and kill my brother one day" then turned into, "Good side is for pussies, going to go to the evil side and get all Goku-like and shiz" which then turned into "Shiz, i killed mah bruh andz he wuz a gud guy, well, betta go destroy the leaf!" then became "aawwhh man, mah bruhz saiz tuh be gud, so i be gud" which once again became "hahahahaha i trolledz yall naruto! imz a bad guy, gonna kill ya now becuz i thinks this is wut my brutha wud hav wanted, andz i havz a gud plan for da world" which finally ended as "Shiz, i wuz wrong, and i killedz so many guyz, man sorry naruto, imma go walk around in forestz for a while and then bang Sakura whenz i come bak, byezzz!"

 

[My Name Is Mauro]

Some people don't like characters who change because that means the character was wrong, ideally or through circumstantial forces, and did not have the know how to see the world for what it was. Some like the bad characters because it serves as a wish fulfillment and when they turn good, it shows them that it is not okay to do what you want when you want.

Of course, most manga's are good vs bad. The audience doesn't expect or want the "bad guys" to switch sides or learn from their mistakes because they serve to reinforce the already established mores.

Life is about changing, especially when you grow from child to adult. You can't say a child knows the world and it would be foolish to think mistakes on their part wont occur. Plus, good narratives have the hero, anti-hero, make mistakes in order to show character development. I agree with you since without change, or a logical path for change in development, the story would be boring.

I think it comes down to people not liking flip-floppers. For example, people don't want Aizen to side with ichigo or SS. If he does, personally, i would find it irritating if it was just for the greater good.

 

[legarcon]

What do you mean by change here, personality or techniques?

You said about personality
-But what I'm remember only Obito is the only one we got to see his personality/ideal change gave an impact and its interesting. Kabuto or Nagato or Sasuke cant be said the same. All three peoples just happen to change their ideal in last moment and then died(Nagato) or trapped in IT(Kabuto). What really interesting about that.

You said about "characters doing the same thing everytime is not cool anymore" is like you referring to techniques used by characters.
-Yeah sure Naruto techniques is quite boring, Clones and Rasengan and Chakra Mode that's all.

That's just my example.

i admit that spamming shadow clones and rasengan got old pretty quickly but i meant personality wise, like the case of naruto chasing after sasuke since the end of part 1 until nearly the beggining of war, all naruto thought about was bringing back sasuke to the leaf and that was the main goal of naruto and sakura but it really got in my nerves since that's the only thing they talked about the whole time, that's what i mean by doing the same thing over and over again.

In the case of sasuke sasuke had a lot of personally changes, he went from a douche in the beggining of part 1 to a caring person when he got in team 7 to then become a rogue ninja who is willing to do whatever it takes to get power to then become a rogue ninja trying to seek revenge for the things the village did to his clan and brother, ect.

Kabuto also had development he went from the right hand of orochimaru to one of the main masterminds behind the war.

Nagato also went from a caring and good hearted person to a person with a god complex to then become an ally with naruto.

They all went through a lot of changes mainly obito and sasuke, though i admit some of sasuke's flips of personality were a like unexpected or inconsistent per say.

 

[Praydara]

I think it's less that the characters change and more how it's executed.

 

[Ansatsuken]

i admit that spamming shadow clones and rasengan got old pretty quickly but i meant personality wise, like the case of naruto chasing after sasuke since the end of part 1 until nearly the beggining of war, all naruto thought about was bringing back sasuke to the leaf and that was the main goal of naruto and sakura but it really got in my nerves since that's the only thing they talked about the whole time, that's what i mean by doing the same thing over and over again.

In the case of sasuke sasuke had a lot of personally changes, he went from a douche in the beggining of part 1 to a caring person when he got in team 7 to then become a rogue ninja who is willing to do whatever it takes to get power to then become a rogue ninja trying to seek revenge for the things the village did to his clan and brother, ect.

Kabuto also had development he went from the right hand of orochimaru to one of the main masterminds behind the war.

Nagato also went from a caring and good hearted person to a person with a god complex to then become an ally with naruto.

They all went through a lot of changes mainly obito and sasuke

Oh, OK. I understand now what your meaning.

 

[Dannie]

Gaara was better evil. Pain was better evil. Orochimaru was better evil.

 

[legarcon]

Gaara was better evil. Pain was better evil. Orochimaru was better evil.

i forgot about orochimaru, his case i think was the most random he went from evil to kind of good just on a whim

 

[awesomeseimei]

Wasn't Oro more like on his own side kind of character?

 

[iKaras]

I mean characters like sasuke, obito, nagato, kabuto get a ot of critics for the changes they went through, but after all in my opinion the characters who always stay the same, characters who never change of personality or ideals are boring, it would be boring to see a character doing the same thing over and over, even if they´re cool in the beggining it eventually gets old and people get tired of them.
I dont mind if a character changes of personality or ideals or believes as long as the story shows a logic progression for that change of ideas.

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[maniaoqan]

This is a boring thread with a lot of poorly developed arguments, and it's definitely a subject I don't give a rats arse. Obviously, answering this question is completly waste of time, and I don't believe there is even an answer. I don't like reading your opinion on the matter and I hope this discussion ends here.

 

[The Robot With Human Hair]

Face-heel turns happen all the time, it's not limited to Naruto. Kishimoto really enjoys villains that practically change completely and lose all elements of villainy after a pep-talk with Naruto, that's just how he handles villains. Some people don't understand this and try to make up irrelevant unsubstantiated psychological examinations as to why what happened in the manga didn't really happen and should be ignored because they don't like x character.

 

[legarcon]

This is a boring thread with a lot of poorly developed arguments, and it's definitely a subject I don't give a rats arse. Obviously, answering this question is completly waste of time, and I don't believe there is even an answer. I don't like reading your opinion on the matter and I hope this discussion ends here.

then why you even bothered to comment?
if you dont like it ,just ignore it