Temari and Danzo vs 3rd Raikage

[Beans2]

Location: 3rd Raikage vs Naruto
Intel: Raikage knows his opponents use fuuton and the team knows about Raikage's legacy.
Restrictions: KA

Danzo starts with his arm brace off. Distance is 60 meters.

 

[KidGamer65]

Temari and Danzo win.

 

[super yang]

danzo solos cuz of Izanagi & baku, Temari dies immediately

 

[TRE MERCER]

Temari and Danzo low difficulty.

Baku suction plus a Fuuton combo from both Temari and Danzo dices the 3rd Raikage.​

 

[Ghost in the Shell]

Temari and Danzō win this more often than not.

 

[Lariatoo]

Fuuton duo wins.

 

[Conspirator.]

Temari and Danzo take it.

 

[Unorthodox]

Whaaaaaaat people saying 3rd raikage can lose

 

[DMT]

Danzo solos, seriously, If 3rd Raikage killed him with nukite, Danzo would use izanagi and actives Juinjutsu on A's Body, then summons Baku to swallow him

 

[ARGUS]

Third Raikage wins this

--not seeing how Baku enhanced Fuuton and temaris Fuuton is stronger than FRS or even close to it, so it gets tanked, and takes away all the possibilities oof them winning

--Danzos Izanagi respawns are reacted by the raikage and with his superior speed and reflexes, means tht raikage just evades his attack and kills him over and over with nukite

--one hit and temari dies, most of her Fuutons can be evaded by the raikage as well so she gets finished the instant raikage closes the distance, not seeing how she is even a factor

--Baku is not doing much either, it's suction range can be evaded and the summon gets eradicated once raikage shunshins towards the back of the summon

 

[lanakui8]

yeah, i don't see how temari and danzou win. Neither have anything close to the power of a rasenshuriken which isn't enough to take him down, and that's assuming they can even hit him with their best attack considering naruto needed raikage level speed and chakra arms to do it.

 

[Raykyryn]

I dare to say that the destructive power of KCM Narutos rasenshuriken far surpasses everything in Danzos and Temaris arsenal.

 

[DMT]

people need to realize that hax > DC

 

[Beans2]

Third Raikage wins this

--not seeing how Baku enhanced Fuuton and temaris Fuuton is stronger than FRS or even close to it, so it gets tanked, and takes away all the possibilities oof them winning

--Danzos Izanagi respawns are reacted by the raikage and with his superior speed and reflexes, means tht raikage just evades his attack and kills him over and over with nukite

--one hit and temari dies, most of her Fuutons can be evaded by the raikage as well so she gets finished the instant raikage closes the distance, not seeing how she is even a factor

--Baku is not doing much either, it's suction range can be evaded and the summon gets eradicated once raikage shunshins towards the back of the summon

-Baku suction removes Raikage's RNY then Temari uses kiri kiri Mae (enhanced by baku's suction) to cut up raikage, as well as Danzo's own fuuton which cut trough V3 Susanoo. Baku suction increased Danzos attack power by a lot so temari's KKM would slice up a base Raikage if enhhanced by Baku - especially seeing how a weaker attack from temari already dealt damage to raikage (woth a weaker edo body, but she still cut him regardless)

-Danzo's respawns can be reacted to, but he can mark raikage with his paralyzing seal as he gets blitzed similar to how Tobirama marked Juubito as he got blitzed

-temari can keep raikage at bay by blowing him back with wide range fuuton like wind cast net or KKM, even if it won't harm him she can keep her distance

-how does raikage avoid its suction range? Danzo can respawn anywhere and summon Baku in a position so where its suction range encompasses raikage

 

[lanakui8]

people need to realize that hax > DC

That's not true, hax can sometimes be > DC as well as DC > hax it's conditional on what hax and DC we are comparing, and that's just a fraction of things that have to be taken into account in a versus match.

-Baku suction removes Raikage's RNY then Temari uses kiri kiri Mae (enhanced by baku's suction) to cut up raikage, as well as Danzo's own fuuton which cut trough V3 Susanoo. Baku suction increased Danzos attack power by a lot so temari's KKM would slice up a base Raikage if enhhanced by Baku - especially seeing how a weaker attack from temari already dealt damage to raikage (woth a weaker edo body, but she still cut him regardless)

why in the world would baku's suction be enough to remove sandaime's RnY?

-Danzo's respawns can be reacted to, but he can mark raikage with his paralyzing seal as he gets blitzed similar to how Tobirama marked Juubito as he got blitzed

If you're going to assert that the paralyzing seal does anything to sandaime raikage, you're going to have provide evidence that he wouldn't be able to power out of it just like sasuke did.

-temari can keep raikage at bay by blowing him back with wide range fuuton like wind cast net or KKM, even if it won't harm him she can keep her distance

....temari's wind cast net wasn't even her own attack, it was a combination fuuton from her and a bunch of other fuuton users. Even then she only managed to affect base sandaime raikage with it, and she had thousands of shinobi as meatshields and decoys for sandaime raikage's attacks. 1 vs 1, sandaime activates his RnY and runs right through all of her attacks.

-how does raikage avoid its suction range? Danzo can respawn anywhere and summon Baku in a position so where its suction range encompasses raikage

Why does he even have to avoid its suction? IF it starts vacuuming in air, the raikage jumps into its mouth and rips it apart from the inside.

 

[Beans2]

That's not true, hax can sometimes be > DC as well as DC > hax it's conditional on what hax and DC we are comparing, and that's just a fraction of things that have to be taken into account in a versus match.


why in the world would baku's suction be enough to remove sandaime's RnY?

Because rasenshuriken did before it exploded.

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Because the wind pressure acts as a natural conductor to lightning hence fuuton > raiton, and raiton armour was never shown to be particularly durable (pierced by chidori). Baku's suction is strong enough to where it enhanced danzos fuuton to cut through V3 susanoo, where previously his fuuton couldnt do a thing to susanoo

If you're going to assert that the paralyzing seal does anything to sandaime raikage, you're going to have provide evidence that he wouldn't be able to power out of it just like sasuke did.

Undergoing mental transformation enabling sasuke to unlock V3 Susanoo and undergoing a significant change in chakra to the point where karin says its colder and nothing like before =/= raikage "powering out of it." Sasyke broke the seal with his willpower sinilar to how his willpower allowed him to overcome kakashis seal and use curse mark. Or how sasuke overcame his curse mark through sheer willpower and withdrew it when fighting yoroi. Though i agree now that curse seal is useless because of completely different reasons (raikage can deactivate his RNY and the seal along with it)

....temari's wind cast net wasn't even her own attack, it was a combination fuuton from her and a bunch of other fuuton users. Even then she only managed to affect base sandaime raikage with it, and she had thousands of shinobi as meatshields and decoys for sandaime raikage's attacks. 1 vs 1, sandaime activates his RnY and runs right through all of her attacks.

1. Wind cast net isnt her strongest attack, nor does it have the widest range
2. Instead of 2 fodders she has danzo for assistance

What reason do you have for thinking raikage won't be blown backwards like he was in canon?

Why does he even have to avoid its suction? IF it starts vacuuming in air, the raikage jumps into its mouth and rips it apart from the inside.

If he doesnt avoid its suction, his RNY is removed and he gets killed by focused KKM + danzo fuuton, both techniques enhanced by baku suction

 

[lanakui8]

Because rasenshuriken did before it exploded.

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I don't see how this is suppose to help your argument unless you're trying to say that baku's suction does as much damage as the rasenshuriken does when it cuts through something. Plus, cutting through an extension of a cloak is much easier than cutting through the main part of it, shown when kakashi's raikiri chain

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despite a direct raikiri

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This is further shown by the way nukite functions, by the raikage focusing all of his power on a single point demonstrating the cloak isn't a static aura that has the same properties in all of its places.

Because the wind pressure acts as a natural conductor to lightning hence fuuton > raiton, and raiton armour was never shown to be particularly durable (pierced by chidori). Baku's suction is strong enough to where it enhanced danzos fuuton to cut through V3 susanoo, where previously his fuuton couldnt do a thing to susanoo

1) The fuuton that baku's suction powered up was far stronger than any of the other fuutons danzou used against susanoo indicated by the amount of blades that comprise the fuuton
2) when have we ever been shown the damage that danzou's previous fuutons did to susanoo?
3) @ the bolded that was Ei's V1 raiton cloak, not sandaime raikages, and how in the world does a defense getting pierced by a chidori = it's not particularly durable? Sandaime raikage's cloak is extremely durable, shown when he takes much more visible damage from wind cast net than he does from FRS.

Baku's suction is so offensively weak that it doesn't inflict any damage on people, I don't see how you can begin to compare something like that to the cutting power of the FRS or piercing power of chidori.

Undergoing mental transformation enabling sasuke to unlock V3 Susanoo and undergoing a significant change in chakra to the point where karin says its colder and nothing like before =/= raikage "powering out of it."Sasyke broke the seal with his willpower sinilar to how his willpower allowed him to overcome kakashis seal and use curse mark. Or how sasuke overcame his curse mark through sheer willpower and withdrew it when fighting yoroi. Though i agree now that curse seal is useless because of completely different reasons (raikage can deactivate his RNY and the seal along with it)

So what you are saying is that the only thing that's relevant to breaking danzou's seal is 'willpower'? If so, what's your argument for sandaime raikage not having enough will power to break out of it?

If you want to assert sandaime raikage can't break out of it, you have to provide a positive argument which shows why he wouldn't be able to do it when sasuke did. That means not only showing how sasuke broke out of it, bul also showing why sandaime raikage would not be able to break out of it.

1. Wind cast net isnt her strongest attack, nor does it have the widest range
2. Instead of 2 fodders she has danzo for assistance

1) Who said it was her strongest attack or that it had the widest range?
2) I don't see you explicitly or implicitly claiming that danzou would be assisting temari anywhere in your statement here:

-temari can keep raikage at bay by blowing him back with wide range fuuton like wind cast net or KKM, even if it won't harm him she can keep her distance

What reason do you have for thinking raikage won't be blown backwards like he was in canon?

because unlike in the manga where

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, he'll be running at temari with his RnY up and be going up against a much weaker fuuton.

and to top it all off,

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with the canon stipulations.

If he doesnt avoid its suction, his RNY is removed and he gets killed by focused KKM + danzo fuuton, both techniques enhanced by baku suction

Yeah so like I said, I have no idea where you're getting that a fuuton which doesn't even damage people is suppose to remove a shroud that protected sandaime raikage from a significant amount of FRS's power.

 

[ARGUS]

-Baku suction removes Raikage's RNY then Temari uses kiri kiri Mae (enhanced by baku's suction) to cut up raikage,

and in what way is this attack stronger than a KCM FRS or even close to it, which still had no effect on the raikage?

how is the suction alone powerful enough to take out his entire armor?

furthermore, raikages RNY is not where his durability comes from, its his body
if the RNY was really the main reason for that, then it makes no sense how he is far more durable than his son, despite both of them having the same V1 armor

as well as Danzo's own fuuton which cut trough V3 Susanoo.

Third Raikage is much more durable than the average V3 susanoo, so this is still not helping your case

Baku suction increased Danzos attack power by a lot so temari's KKM would slice up a base Raikage if enhhanced by Baku - especially seeing how a weaker attack from temari already dealt damage to raikage (woth a weaker edo body, but she still cut him regardless)

its still not affecting him at all, its garbage here

a normal FRS alone has the firepower to completely eradicate V2 susanoo,

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now you add the KCM boost that naruto had in his FRS, and we have the jutsus power being tripled at the very least, in the same ballpark as hirudora, which obliterated V3 susanoo

vaporising entire V3 susanoo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blowing a hole on it,
yet this same attack was tanked by the raikage,
so in no way shape or form, is temaris fuuton making up for the vast difference in power between KCM FRS and Danzos fuuton

-Danzo's respawns can be reacted to, but he can mark raikage with his paralyzing seal as he gets blitzed similar to how Tobirama marked Juubito as he got blitzed

but for that to happen he needs to tag the raikage, which isnt happening that easily
juubito was mindless when he got marked, and that is a major factor to consider
as shown how tobirama was unable to tag even RT Madara, unless you think that RT madara is faster than Juubito?
which is clearly incorrect when we saw Juubito react to FTG despite being marked, a reflexive feat that puts him above madara

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third raikages speed and reflexes >>> danzos, so the instant he sees danzo attempting to attack, he slams him down with a punch or rapes him with nukite
not to mention that paralysing seal is non factor when nothing suggests that the raikage cant break out of it, and him deactivating his shroud to get rid of it, is also plausible as stated by you yourself

-temari can keep raikage at bay by blowing him back with wide range fuuton like wind cast net or KKM, even if it won't harm him she can keep her distance

No shes not doing shit,
her fuutons can be evaded by the raikage with ease, not to mention that she cant continously spam her fuutons
nor would her fuutons push him back far enough to prevent him from one shotting her,
so she diies the instant he closes the distance, which would happen right after her attempt of her first fuuton

-how does raikage avoid its suction range?

The same reason why

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, and the same reason why its suction range couldnt even reach Tobi who was no more than 30-40m away from it
not seeing why the raikage cant withstand the suction either, and if hes drawn into baku, then we have a nukite landing right at it

whats worse is that its suction is a directional attack,
so he can just runs aroundd it and rape the summmon from behind

Danzo can respawn anywhere and summon Baku in a position so where its suction range encompasses raikage

Once Baku is killed, its not getting summoned,
Danzos respawns are reacted, his attacks are tanked, his partners a non factor, and he has no hope of outlasting the raikage, so the outcome of the battle is crystal clear

 

[Icelerate]

Temari and Danzo win with mid difficulty while Danzo can solo with high difficulty.

Since you said KA is restricted, it means Danzo has access to his MS from the very start of the battle unlike against Sasuke so it means sharingan genjutsu will work. Landing genjutsu would require Danzo to catch the 3rd Raikage off guard similar to how Sasuke caught Shee off guard (

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) or how Madara caught Ay offguard while he was distracted by Tsunade's fight against Madara's susanoo clones.

Sasuke's genjutsu was so potent that it knocked Shee out cold

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. Bare in mind that Shee is a genjutsu user himself, a medic and a sensor so he has all three attributes that help counter genjutsu. Madara has proven that

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and makes him

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and also makes him

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Danzo has shown he can use KA, the ultimate sharingan genjutsu so it is safe to say regular 3 tomoe genjutsu is something he can easily use considering he used Izanagi, a much more advanced sharingan technique.

With that being said, Izanagi allows Danzo to spawn where he wants when he is killed considering

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Putting the two facts together, Danzo can kill himself and then spawn right in front of Temari when the 3rd Raikage tries to blitz her, catching him off guard and putting him in a genjutsu much like how Sasuke did to Shee. Next Danzo will use his

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to paralyse the 3rd Raikage even further even though he's already paralysed by the genjutsu. With that being said, he can tell Temari to run away while he himself seals the 3rd Raikage away with himself (

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). Alternatively, Danzo can summon Baku and have him swallow the 3rd Raikage up and then unsummon it, which gives team Danzo the victory via BFR (battlefield removal). Lastly, during the time the Raikage is vulnerable, Danzo can use his fuuton enhanced kunais to stab the 3rd Raikage through his eyeballs which should reach his brain and kill him. If not, a blinded Raikage will eventually falter to multiple strikes from Temari and Danzo's fuuton considering he took damage from both FRS and WCN but ended up regenerating so on an alive 3rd Raikage, the damage will eventually pile up and kill him.

 

[Beans2]

I don't see how this is suppose to help your argument unless you're trying to say that baku's suction does as much damage as the rasenshuriken does when it cuts through something. Plus, cutting through an extension of a cloak is much easier than cutting through the main part of it, shown when kakashi's raikiri chain

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despite a direct raikiri

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This is further shown by the way nukite functions, by the raikage focusing all of his power on a single point demonstrating the cloak isn't a static aura that has the same properties in all of its places.

FRS as an example to prove that Raikage's RNY isn't the main source of his durability (his actual body is what's durable). RNY is not especially durable at all in front of fuuton techniques. FRS didn't do much harm to the Raikage after it exploded, but it cut through the lightning cloak like butter without even exploding. Your Kakashi example fails because Kakashi didn't actually touch the V2 Jin with Raikiri, he dodged [

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1) The fuuton that baku's suction powered up was far stronger than any of the other fuutons danzou used against susanoo indicated by the amount of blades that comprise the fuuton
2) when have we ever been shown the damage that danzou's previous fuutons did to susanoo?
3) @ the bolded that was Ei's V1 raiton cloak, not sandaime raikages, and how in the world does a defense getting pierced by a chidori = it's not particularly durable? Sandaime raikage's cloak is extremely durable, shown when he takes much more visible damage from wind cast net than he does from FRS.

Baku's suction is so offensively weak that it doesn't inflict any damage on people, I don't see how you can begin to compare something like that to the cutting power of the FRS or piercing power of chidori.

Nope, he used fuuton and it was

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. The fact that there were three slashes doesn't change much, not seeing how using it 3 times would change the outcome from being tanked by skeletal Susanoo to ripping through a V3 Susanoo. Baku's suction is what increase its power so much. Both Raikages use the same raiton cloak except Ay has V2 mode whereas Raikage doesn't. Chidori cut through RNY meaning a powerful fuuton suction (raiton's natural weakness) would blow it off.

Completely wrong, it's suction was so powerful that Susanoo

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. Its suction increased fuuton to where it was tanked by a V2 to the point where fuuton tore through a V3. Don't know where you're getting Baku's suction is weak from.

So what you are saying is that the only thing that's relevant to breaking danzou's seal is 'willpower'? If so, what's your argument for sandaime raikage not having enough will power to break out of it?

If you want to assert sandaime raikage can't break out of it, you have to provide a positive argument which shows why he wouldn't be able to do it when sasuke did. That means not only showing how sasuke broke out of it, bul also showing why sandaime raikage would not be able to break out of it.

No it's not like Sasuke could have broken that seal with willpower at any time. He was struggling and

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it. He only overcame it with willpower after he went

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because of his hatred.

-Danzo starts trash talking Itachi [

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-Memories of Itachi flood Sasuke's mind [

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-Overcomes seal [

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-Unlocks new level of Susanoo
-Karin notes that Sasuke's chakra is completely different than before
-Obito states that Sasuke broke the seal because his hatred had matured and his body reacted to it [

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So no, it was only at that specific moment that Sasuke was able to overcome the seal because his hatred matured. So let me correct myself, technically it wasn't willpower, it was hatred. Raikage can't break the seal at any time just by having a strong will.

1) Who said it was her strongest attack or that it had the widest range?
2) I don't see you explicitly or implicitly claiming that danzou would be assisting temari anywhere in your statement here:

because unlike in the manga where

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, he'll be running at temari with his RnY up and be going up against a much weaker fuuton.

and to top it all off,

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with the canon stipulations.

1) You attributed Temari's success to knocking back the Raikage to the fact that she had assistance, so I stated that she has stronger attacks with a wider range so she can replicate the feat on her own. Stronger attack = raikage still gets knocked back. Wider range = Raikage can't evade.
2) I didn't have to say that in my earlier statement. As long as it's feasible, it works. Once Raikage realizes Danzo is immortal he'll go for Temari, and Danzo can respawn next to her to provide assistance.

How was he in an awkward position, and how is it even relevant if he was? How does the fact that he'd be running at Temari change anything? RNY doesn't change much, even if it makes him faster and more durable, it doesn't make him heavier so he'd still be blown backwards. With Danzo being there as well, this isn't up to debate as his fuuton was even

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which has much more mass than the Raikage.

Yeah so like I said, I have no idea where you're getting that a fuuton which doesn't even damage people is suppose to remove a shroud that protected sandaime raikage from a significant amount of FRS's power.

Fuuton doesn't damage people =/= fuuton is weak. Armour didn't protect the Raikage from FRS, it was because of Raikage's durability that he tanked. Not seeing what's so special about RNY that it can't be removed by a powerful fuuton suction. Even if it doesn't remove his armour, Temari or Danzo's fuuton enhanced by Baku's suction most definitely will.