Kisame vs Tsunade

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Maybe you're not reading the manga correctly but in between the time the shark was summoned and the shark disappeared:

-Kisame died.
-Shark didn't die until after the suiton was completely destroyed.
-Shark didn't die until it hit the ground and went poof.

It wasn't a matter of salt water vs fresh water that the shark disappeared. Kisame summoned a shark in the ocean = his sharks are marine. Kisame summoned a shark in his suiton = suiton is salt water.

Once Kisame died the prison was released and the sharks went poof. Kisame can summon his sharks anywhere, it doesnt matter where he summons them.

Your are literally using sharks, sharks to prove suiton is salt water. Like that is just a terrible argument. Kisame summoned his first shark in the ocean while the others he summoned were in his water for 5 seconds.
 
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Please tell me more, Ray Charles. I'm not referring to the headbutt. Obviously.

I know you aren't but I'm mentioning it anyway because it was apart of the confrontation with V1 Bee and I'm not leaving any room for you to bring it up, not that you were going to but still, nawwmean?

When Bee Blocked Kisames stab it looks like he flipped him over his head but all he did was yank the sword upward to snatch the chakra from him and the force of that shoved Bee back. Still though, that doesn't mean Kisame would stand the slightest chance against his Seven Swords Dance (the peak of his CQC ability we've seen) if they were to duke it out in CQC.
 

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Once Kisame died the prison was released and the sharks went poof. Kisame can summon his sharks anywhere, it doesnt matter where he summons them.

Your are literally using sharks, sharks to prove suiton is salt water. Like that is just a terrible argument. Kisame summoned his first shark in the ocean while the others he summoned were in his water for 5 seconds.

And here I thought your arguments couldn't get any worse.

 

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And here I thought your arguments couldn't get any worse.


How was I wrong? What does that prove? NOTHING. The shark was in the bubble for 5 seconds and then hit actual salt water.

Sharks dont equal salt water. You have no argument at all.
 

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I love how this has devolved into a side argument about sharks and salt water
 

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love the ridiculous amount of deus ex machina in that ''booby trap'' considering the scroll wasn't relevant to the plot at all.
 
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How was I wrong? What does that prove? NOTHING. The shark was in the bubble for 5 seconds and then hit actual salt water.

Sharks dont equal salt water. You have no argument at all.

This doesn't prove anything, to you? Is something so simple so hard for you to grasp? Sharks were summoned, inside Kisame's water prisons, multiple times, and were attacking those inside the water prisons. A shark was in Kisame's suiton, swam across Turtle Island in that water bubble, then dove into the ocean, which is salt water. Shark breathes perfectly fine in Kisame's suiton. Shark breathes perfectly fine in ocean. Ocean is salt water? Conclusion? Kisame's suiton is salt water. Don't know what your shit reasoning is but you're completely wrong, also don't know where you got this "5 seconds" number from as it's obviously much longer than that, and don't see how it's even relevant how long the sharks were in the suiton for.

Also Probability of Kisame's sharks being marine sharks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> probability of them being freshwater sharks. You say I have no argument but all you can do is staunchly disagree with the proof I've provided. Your logic was Kisame's suiton is freshwater until proven otherwise and when I proved otherwise you just continued to spout BS. Also you're under an assumption that all suiton is either fresh water or salt water and can't understand that Kisame's suiton might just be different. And you can't prove those are fresh water sharks.

If you can provide a single shred of evidence as to why those are freshwater sharks (though I don't expect you to Lol), or why Kisame's suiton is freshwater, then I'll take you seriously because as of now you don't have an argument. I most likely won't reply to you again.
 

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This doesn't prove anything, to you? Is something so simple so hard for you to grasp? Sharks were summoned, inside Kisame's water prisons, multiple times, and were attacking those inside the water prisons. A shark was in Kisame's suiton, swam across Turtle Island in that water bubble, then dove into the ocean, which is salt water. Shark breathes perfectly fine in Kisame's suiton. Shark breathes perfectly fine in ocean. Ocean is salt water? Conclusion? Kisame's suiton is salt water. Don't know what your shit reasoning is but you're completely wrong, also don't know where you got this "5 seconds" number from as it's obviously much longer than that, and don't see how it's even relevant how long the sharks were in the suiton for.

Also Probability of Kisame's sharks being marine sharks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> probability of them being freshwater sharks. You say I have no argument but all you can do is staunchly disagree with the proof I've provided. Your logic was Kisame's suiton is freshwater until proven otherwise and when I proved otherwise you just continued to spout BS. Also you're under an assumption that all suiton is either fresh water or salt water and can't understand that Kisame's suiton might just be different. And you can't prove those are fresh water sharks.

If you can provide a single shred of evidence as to why those are freshwater sharks (though I don't expect you to Lol), or why Kisame's suiton is freshwater, then I'll take you seriously because as of now you don't have an argument. I most likely won't reply to you again.

So marine sharks immediately die and cant function in fresh water like not even for a second? Is that what you are telling me? Total BS.

Sharks =/= suiton being salt water

Kisame summoned his sharks in salt water when he summoned them in his water they were only in there for a short period of time where they wouldnt die. Kisame makes chakra water, its not even real water as it disappears a while after its been produced. You literally jsut want it to be salt water so you can use it to your advantage but its not salt water since you cant prove that, and the argument about sharks does not prove that.
 

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Tsunade takes it even without the restrictions.
Tsunade's brute strength alone is enough to kill Kisame, or Samehada. She would have no problems grabbing the sword and squeezing it to death.
Kisame without Samehada hardly is a threat to Tsunade.
 

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You literally jsut want it to be salt water so you can use it to your advantage

Hilarious how ironic this is coming from a Tsunade fanboy

but its not salt water since you cant prove that, and the argument about sharks does not prove that.

You can't prove that it's fresh water. Why do you say it's fresh water until proven otherwise? I can just as easily say it's salt water unless you prove otherwise. Even though I did provide overwhelming proof that you choose to disagree with because you want Tsunade to win. Doesn't even make sense that Kisame wouldn't be able to utilize shark summons inside his own suitons, especially since he's done it before, multiple times. This is my last reply to you.
 

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You can't prove that it's fresh water. Why do you say it's fresh water until proven otherwise? I can just as easily say it's salt water unless you prove otherwise. Even though I did provide overwhelming proof that you choose to disagree with because you want Tsunade to win. Doesn't even make sense that Kisame wouldn't be able to utilize shark summons inside his own suitons, especially since he's done it before, multiple times. This is my last reply to you.

Its not fresh water. Its literally water made from chakra. You know whats inside it? Chakra. After its been produced it disappears like katon or fuuton would.

Overwhelming proof. LOL You said Kisame uses sharks, sharks can only be in salt water, suiton is salt water. That was your argument that made no sense.
 

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Tsunade takes it even without the restrictions.
Tsunade's brute strength alone is enough to kill Kisame, or Samehada. She would have no problems grabbing the sword and squeezing it to death.
Kisame without Samehada hardly is a threat to Tsunade.

The Samehada would have no problem shredding Tsunade's arm if she attempted to touch it

Kisame stomps Tsunade, and it's not even funny b/c I like her as well, but she has no chance
 

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I know you aren't but I'm mentioning it anyway because it was apart of the confrontation with V1 Bee and I'm not leaving any room for you to bring it up, not that you were going to but still, nawwmean?

When Bee Blocked Kisames stab it looks like he flipped him over his head but all he did was yank the sword upward to snatch the chakra from him and the force of that shoved Bee back. Still though, that doesn't mean Kisame would stand the slightest chance against his Seven Swords Dance (the peak of his CQC ability we've seen) if they were to duke it out in CQC.

Kisame and Samehada literally sat there and purposely waited until the last second to react. Samehada alone dodged V1 Bee's strike at the last second no problem, and then Kisame quickly out-maneuvered him.

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Note his arm and leg position. Kisame was casually stairing down Bee and waiting until the very last second to react. Kisame was literally an inch away from getting stabbed by a raiton enhanced blade, but then his bodily movement speed completely destroyed Bee's V1 speed.

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Within the split second window of Bee travelling just an inch further, Kisame took a step forward and uppercut swiped Bee off his feet. Kisame knew exactly what he was doing here; waiting until the last second to effectively strike and chip away at a huge amount of Bee's chakra. So you can call it what you want, but Kisame completely out-maneuvered V1 Bee at the very last second.

Lol.. Bee's base 7 swords dance would of gotten laughed at. Did you not notice how inadequate Bee's base speed was in front of Kisame...? Bee realized that and entered V1, still got destroyed, so he then entered V2, despite the fact he was giving Kisame more chakra to absorb. You really think Bee continued to feed Samehada chakra on purpose, knowing he had the 7 swords dance in base form, which required no chakra? He realized himself his base form wasn't going to cut it, when Kisame very casually reacted to his attacks coming from two different angles. All it would of took for Kisame is to swing Samehada once in order to disrupt Bee's dance. Kisame is way too much of a brute, with adequate speed to back him up. He'd abuse and overpower Bee, as he did to base Gai. Not to mention, Kisame's healing capabilities, which makes that whole entire tactic a wasted effort.
 

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Kisame saws her limbs off.
 

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Yet hes not even above Ay in Kumo....... please stop the Killer B wanking. Its getting pretty tiring, when all you people decide to put these flashy feats as if they somehow are supposed to be impressive.

He beats the Shinobi no kami Hiruzen? Rofll ok mate.

Am I the only one seeing what this moron is saying? "Flashy Feats" Feats are feats, ****ing up Sasuke in CQC means he could shit on ten tsunade's. I meant base striking speed btw.

Kisame stomps Hiruzen and Tsunade at the same time tbh
 

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Am I the only one seeing what this moron is saying? "Flashy Feats" Feats are feats, ****ing up Sasuke in CQC means he could shit on ten tsunade's. I meant base striking speed btw.

Kisame stomps Hiruzen and Tsunade at the same time tbh

Lets not go that far.
 

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Not in these conditions but at full power? Easily... Easily with what Hiruzens shown of course not hype

No he cant. If Hiruzen uses RDS on him they both die, Tsunade lives, and so the Hokage wins.
 
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