Gengetsu vs Orochimaru

[Beans2]

2nd Mizukage Gengetsu Hozuki vs Sannin Lord Orochimaru

Location: Gaara vs Gengetsu
Intel: None
Conditions: Orochimaru is healthy but doesn't have Zetsu body or abilities.
Restrictions: Edo Tensei

Scenario 2: Full intel

 

[Ghost in the Shell]

Orochimaru wins with very high difficulty, Trollkage may very well win this

Edit: Trollkage wins scenario 1 with high difficulty, and Orochimaru wins scenario two with high difficulty

Hydra may or may not tank Jōki bōi's explosions, but what's stopping Jōki bōi from cutting the Hydra's heads off with the axe? It's fast and strong enough to do so, especially when it grows

 

[Conspirator.]

This is very close. I think Trollkage takes S1 mid to high diff, but Orochimaru wins with intel.

 

[Lariatoo]

That's a hard one to call...
Both are very close.

 

[KingHashirama]

hmm Probably the 2nd Mizu

IMO 1st and 2nd generation Kages are stronger than the 3rd-6th generation hokage.

 

[Nattana]

Orochimaru easily. Heat, smell and chakra sensing shits on the clam.

 

[KidGamer65]

Eight Branches tanks Joki Boy and pretty much every attack the Mizukage has to offer. He can't keep up the illusion forever since it uses chakra, and he can't put down Orochimaru during said illusion, even if he could use Joki Boy during the illusion, which he can't since Joki Boy takes a lot of him let alone the mirage and Joki Boy at the same time. Mizukage runs out of Gas, and Oro finishes him off.

 

[ARGUS]

Orochimaru wins this mid diff

--heat and chakra sensing through the snakes helps him locate the clam and take it out, and even if that doesn't work, Mizukages attacks are not doing shit to him, especially with his snake skin durability, true form and hydra

--once the clam is out. Mizukage gets raped, and using joki boy is not doing shit either when it gets tanked and just sends the Mizukages death on a silver platter

 

[super yang]

oro wins both scenes.

mandara no jin counters the clam, Look it up

joki boi is ignored by oro w/ nature merging, while snake sensing w/ fodder boss snakes takes out the hiding, exhausted trollkage

 

[Beans2]

Eight Branches tanks Joki Boy and pretty much every attack the Mizukage has to offer. He can't keep up the illusion forever since it uses chakra, and he can't put down Orochimaru during said illusion, even if he could use Joki Boy during the illusion, which he can't since Joki Boy takes a lot of him let alone the mirage and Joki Boy at the same time. Mizukage runs out of Gas, and Oro finishes him off.

Even if he can detect the clam, how does he destroy it? Kusanagi would pierce it but I doubt it would do much damage. Multiple JB explosions would destroy 8 branches considering it obliterated Gaara's sand pyramid. Not to mention JB can cut off the individual snake heads with his sharp weapon and Mizukage can snipe individual heads with water gun. Poison vapor blood isn't a problem as Mizukage can filter out the poison via hydrification and he can use his clam offensively to hold down 8 branches like Jiraiya uses his toads with FCD.

Mizukage finishes Orochimaru with multiple Joki Boy explosions or a water bullet to the brain.

 

[KidGamer65]

Even if he can detect the clam, how does he destroy it? Kusanagi would pierce it but I doubt it would do much damage. Multiple JB explosions would destroy 8 branches considering it obliterated Gaara's sand pyramid. Not to mention JB can cut off the individual snake heads with his sharp weapon and Mizukage can snipe individual heads with water gun. Poison vapor blood isn't a problem as Mizukage can filter out the poison via hydrification and he can use his clam offensively to hold down 8 branches like Jiraiya uses his toads with FCD.

He only needs to outlast it, he doesn't need to destroy it, not to mention he can't detect it anyway.

Gaara's Sand Pyramid has garbage durability feats. Gaara's Mom Shield tanked Joki Boy with zero damage, yet the pyramids were blown apart. Joki Boy lacks the power to put down a snake stronger than Manda..hell, it lacks the power to put down Manda let alone something much larger and stronger.

If JB attacks one snake head, it gets gangbanged by all 8, not to mention it doesn't have the size to cut through the heads, or the power to cut through them before it gets obliterated.

And how would he filter out the poision via hydrification? Meh, wasn't gonna use it anyway.

Lol, his clam is NOWHERE near the size of a Boss Snake, let alone Eight Branches. That strategy isn't gonna work.

Mizukage finishes Orochimaru with multiple Joki Boy explosions or a water bullet to the brain.

Joki Boy can't take down Eight Branches, nor can a water bullet to the brain.

 

[Beans2]

He only needs to outlast it, he doesn't need to destroy it, not to mention he can't detect it anyway.

Gaara's Sand Pyramid has garbage durability feats. Gaara's Mom Shield tanked Joki Boy with zero damage, yet the pyramids were blown apart. Joki Boy lacks the power to put down a snake stronger than Manda..hell, it lacks the power to put down Manda let alone something much larger and stronger.

If JB attacks one snake head, it gets gangbanged by all 8, not to mention it doesn't have the size to cut through the heads, or the power to cut through them before it gets obliterated.

And how would he filter out the poision via hydrification? Meh, wasn't gonna use it anyway.

Lol, his clam is NOWHERE near the size of a Boss Snake, let alone Eight Branches. That strategy isn't gonna work.



Joki Boy can't take down Eight Branches, nor can a water bullet to the brain.

Multiple explosions, not one. I don't see why the snakes would be able to keep tanking it at a point blank range. Gaara's mom protected them because it wasn't point blank yet it destroyed an entire sand pyramid when the explosion was point blank. JB explosions seem to be much more destructive when at close range. He would be speciically targeting the heads.

JB seems to be way faster than Hydra heads' striking speed since Susanoo stuck down all the heads at once and they hit the ground at the same time and Gaara's sand couldn't hope to keep up. The fact that JB can suddenly and unpredictably expand (like it did to Gaara's sand clone) makes it harder for Hydra heads even harder to react/counterattack. JB slices off a head; the other heads attack; JB explodes; heads take damage. Cycle repeats. But then again we don't know if JB has enough cutting power to actually cut through a head.

His clam isn't large but it seems to be very heavy. If Mizukage gets the opportunity to summon it directly on top of the hydra heads, it could crush a few of them. Maybe. I never said it would hold down the Hydra.

When I said hyrdification filters out poison I was referring to how Sakura removed poison from Kankuro's body.

Anyway I'll concede this matchup as I didn't think about boss summons (tbh I was only thinking about armless Oro.) orochimaru probably wins mid diff.

 

[Bantos]

Orochimru takes this.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Orochimaru stomps.

All he has to do is look directly at him once he summons the clam and uses Manda. The clam can't move so it will have to stay in the same place Manda attacks the clam and smashed it or eat it. ​

 

[KidGamer65]

Multiple explosions, not one. I don't see why the snakes would be able to keep tanking it at a point blank range. Gaara's mom protected them because it wasn't point blank yet it destroyed an entire sand pyramid when the explosion was point blank. JB explosions seem to be much more destructive when at close range. He would be speciically targeting the heads.

Still not gonna change anything. They were practically right next to Joki Boy when Gaara blocked it's attack. [

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] Being point blank isn't going to create such a dramatic difference that it'd blow away the shield like it did the sand pyramid.

JB seems to be way faster than Hydra heads' striking speed since Susanoo stuck down all the heads at once and they hit the ground at the same time and Gaara's sand couldn't hope to keep up.

That's a feat for Susanoo, Joki Boy hasn't demonstrated to strike as fast as Susanoo can. There's also the fact evasion isn't a factor since it'll need to get in the air if it wants to cut the heads, and it can't move while in mid air. Not to mention Gaara's Sand not being able to catch Joki Boy doesn't mean that Joki Boy will be fast enough to evade all 9 Hydra Heads attacking him from multiple directions, while Joki Boy is in the middle of carrying out an attack.

The fact that JB can suddenly and unpredictably expand (like it did to Gaara's sand clone) makes it harder for Hydra heads even harder to react/counterattack. JB slices off a head; the other heads attack; JB explodes; heads take damage. Cycle repeats. But then again we don't know if JB has enough cutting power to actually cut through a head.

Expansion only makes it larger, thus slower, thus easier to tag.


By feats it definitely doesn't.

His clam isn't large but it seems to be very heavy. If Mizukage gets the opportunity to summon it directly on top of the hydra heads, it could crush a few of them. Maybe. I never said it would hold down the Hydra.

When did it seem to be heavy? Durable? Yeah, but heavy?

When I said hyrdification filters out poison I was referring to how Sakura removed poison from Kankuro's body.

Sakura had to pull that out of his body, and it was a different kind of poison. Mizukage can't replicate that.

Anyway I'll concede this matchup as I didn't think about boss summons (tbh I was only thinking about armless Oro.) orochimaru probably wins mid diff.

Lol, alright.