Just said I can't elaborate on my phone and yet this guy replies with an essay when he couldn't respond to FT...Your Kakashi example doesn't even work as well so you're wrong. Sasuke once said Gai was superior at a point so his father was always correct if we're going by that. "It's just as father said" now means what? He was always stronger despite Sasuke stating otherwise at a point? Some of you don't know the meaning of things.
1- Reaction speed is useless if you can't identify attacks in time
2- Gai isn't a Jubi Jin. He has no danger sensing ability and thus can't identify attacks coming from his blindspot
3- Minato can scatter FTG kunais in all ranges of the battlefied(close, mid or mountain range). Gai can't blitz him from a distance when he has more than enough time to see attacks coming and dodge in time
1- Minato is never going to get a Kunai behide Gai nor would a point blank ftg blitz work.
2- He doesn't need to be when his speed out-classes his opponents by a huge margin.
3- When did Alive Minato do this throwing Kunai mountain rage feat? Also not before Gai repeats what he did to Madara on Minato who speed and reaction time is far below Madara's yet he had the i oh shit face when 7gate Gai tried to blitz him. .(
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). Madara didn't even make this face when SM Minato tried his blitz and it went horrible wrong.
4- Minato can also surrounder Gai with multiple FTG kunais. With Gai not knowing exactly where Minato will teleport, plus the lack of danger sensing, he'd never see Minato's blindspot attacks, let alone react in time(see 1)
5- Gai also has no knowledge on FTG lvl2 and FTG lvl2 allows Minato to attack his opponents from their blindspot in an instant. Gai lacking danger sensing couldn't see the attack, let alone react in time
6- Minato can even help himself with multiple Shadow clones. All Clones attacking Gai from different angles using the nearby FTG kunais
7- Even if he somehow survives the assault, as a regular habit, Minato will leave a marking on him
8- With a marking on him and without danger sensing, he'd never manage to identify the attack(whether straight forward/blindspot, directly or indirectly with a clone) before reaction(there is no reaction without visual/sensing perception) and thus could be killed anytime soon. Even Jubito with his danger sensing could barely react in time and sometimes couldn't, so let alone Gai
9- Minato is also capable of barrier ninjutsus. He can conceal Gai in a barrier(leaving a marking behind) and in this scenario where he possess the Rasenshuriken, he could throw one inside with Gai having no opening, ending up dying due to the attack range(i don't believe Samehada can absorb it). If not, he can use the hakke fuin to seal the concealed Gai within the barrier or also aid himself with summoning jutsu. Assuming he summons Pa/Ma, they can finish him with their sound genjutsu
7- Only upon contact is that happening plus Gai can hit Minato and all his clones with a Hirudora this size.(
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). a Hirudora smaller than Susanoo did this.(
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). Something on this calibur easily takes out him and his clones.
8- Yea that true but only if he's actually caught.
9- What barrier? Samehada would wake him up from sound genjutsu (Assuming he could even pull of this feat of course.
Edit- Gai has Samehada then this really is a stomp seeing as Samehada turns chakra into stamina which means he could fight in 7th gate all day plus Minato's offence would be hurt if that happens. Don't let me get started on him fusing with it either.
Most of the debate will be formulated Madara vs Gai and Madara vs Minato comparison. The thing you're looking for is the intent to defend, in which Madara's case for both opponents differed. He was talking to Obito during Minato taking him off-guard, which he wished to finish quickly as he though he manipulated Obito once again. Whereas against Gai, he wished to test his capabilities of the Inner Gates. The both scenarios do not match to construct an argument from them.
As that being said, the only thing needed to formulate an argument is, Gai has the speed-striking advantage and Minato has FTG and reflex advantage. The latter reacted to V2 Ay, fastest Shinobi on the plane (which Gai was known during the time), was outclassed by Minato. The winner is obvious.
If Guy starts in the 7th Gate, he wins, due to being able to pressure Juubidara with his speed whilst a reaction-boosted SM Minato failed to launch his attack fast enough on Juubidara, much less react in time to teleport from or even dodge Juubidara's counterattacks. Guy would then be able to similarly put pressure on Base Minato, who would be even less reactive than SM Minato, and destroy him with a Hirudora.
As for the often trumpeted claim of Minato reacting to 8G Guy's top speed, Gaara explicitly stated
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, gudodama
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and while not even in the 7th Gate (and which Lee himself dodged whilst carrying Guy and not even being in the 6th Gate). Yet we see his sand carrying Kakashi to Madara at similar speeds to
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Now if you're going to try to argue that the same speed 8th Gate Guy used to nigh blitz Juubidara and run circles around him, is the same speed he was going at Juubidara during the last step of EE (or faster since the steps apparently increase in speed), then you're also going to have to accept that Gaara's sand was moving at similar speeds to 8th Gate Guy.
Thus you end up having a comparison such as Gaara's sand speed = 8th Gate Guy speed >>> 5th/6th Gate Guy speed >= 5th Gate Lee speed > Gudodama > Gaara's sand speed.
You would also have to accept that 6th Gate Lee can throw kunai at 8th Gate Guy speeds, so then you also end up having 6th Gate Lee's throwing speed + strength = Gaara's sand speed = 8th Gate Guy speed. Nevermind if he could really throw that fast he should have just thrown a kunai straight at Madara's skull after they took away his gudodamas.
So then, you could say Base Minato can react and teleport to 8th Gate Guy's top speed. Despite that not actually being his top speed (Night Guy). Despite a Minato with enhanced reflexes failing to react to slower attacks. But then you would also have to say Gaara's sand speed is around 8th Gate Guy's top speed. Despite him admitting his sand is slower than an attack 5th/6th Gate Guy was able to dodge. And then you have 6th Gate Lee being able to intercept Guy and the gudodamas with a kunai throw.
Or you can take the stance that requires less contradictions and realise 8th Gate Guy wasn't moving as fast as he showed in his previous steps while performing his last step. And that the speed of EE could just as easily be referring to how fast the actual attack travels and not Guy himself. But that's just me.
Most of the debate will be formulated Madara vs Gai and Madara vs Minato comparison. The thing you're looking for is the intent to defend, in which Madara's case for both opponents differed. He was talking to Obito during Minato taking him off-guard, which he wished to finish quickly as he though he manipulated Obito once again. Whereas against Gai, he wished to test his capabilities of the Inner Gates. The both scenarios do not match to construct an argument from them.
As that being said, the only thing needed to formulate an argument is, Gai has the speed-striking advantage and Minato has FTG and reflex advantage. The latter reacted to V2 Ay, fastest Shinobi on the plane (which Gai was known during the time), was outclassed by Minato. The winner is obvious.
Konoha accepted Ay's superiority in all fields of speed, which evident by how Tsunade was surprised KCM Naruto is able to keep up with V1 Ay, [
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] and Tsunade as Hokage is fully aware of her village's capabilities and potential. Yet has never acknowledged Gai's speed to be comparable or superior to Ay's. While we are on that, I have no idea how you draw comprehension that Gaara's words are somehow to prove Gai has superior speed than Ay. Gaara's statement is giving the audience an idea of metaphor to describe how fast Gai is; and never had he made some analogy between Gai and Ay.
We know Gai uses his eyes and ears to detect targets
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If he doesn't see attacks(like how dumbfounded he was inside that mist), it's useless
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This is why even if he have better reactions than Minato in 7th gates(something i'm still not certain about, but i give you this argument for the sake of it), the simple fact of not seeing/perceiving the attacks will be a heavy burden for him defensively and this is the advantage Jubi Jins have over Gai(with their high level danger sensing ability) against teleportative/instant attacks
And FTG kunais are permanent markings that will always reside all over the battlefield from close, mid and long range distance use for Minato, something he could take advantage of anytime he needs to, at any moment Gai will be nearby even a single one of them(let alone multiple and not knowing the one Minato would chose to teleport to), making blindsiding attacks easy to land, especially for someone like Minato who can easily combine Hiraishin+Shunshin in faster than Kyubi's speed(that was exceeding SM Naruto):
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As long as Minato remains cautious, Gai will get tagged sooner or later
3- When did Alive Minato do this throwing Kunai mountain rage feat? Also not before Gai repeats what he did to Madara on Minato who speed and reaction time is far below Madara's yet he had the i oh shit face when 7gate Gai tried to blitz him. .(
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Madara didn't even make this face when SM Minato tried his blitz and it went horrible wrong.
I'll say it again. There was a huge fog hiding Madara's field of vision before Gai's approach. Madara was surprised to see Gai suddenly coming out of the fog and the exclammation mark was to emphasize that. Inb4, Madara has danger sensing. And? We've already seen with Jubito that even with danger sensing, a small thing can be enough to distract them(and in this case it was the fog):
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Concerning Minato's kunai range, he did it twice
1- During Kakashi gaiden:
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Do you see the scale of this explosion? Easily mountain range if not more. And we see the debris of the explosion falling on the Konoha side showing that they are out of the range of the explosion. Similarly, the enemy from the opposing side was also outside the range of that explosion:
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Showing that each camp was at mountain ranges from each other during their attacks, yet shinobis from Konoha side could throw Minato's kunais on the opposing side.
2- Similarly, Minato did it during this war(but even better), throwing kunais at distances greater from the Jubi's size(from 4 different angles of the barrier):
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And later on, we've seen he left kunais even outside Jubito's barrier range(which was even greater):
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The real question you must ask yourself is since when where you under the impression that ninjas can't throw kunais at mountain ranges?
4- Again how is Minato accomplishing this feat unless the op makes it some ridiculous distance?
Throwing kunais is the fastest action in this manga. Even the simple fact of opening gates takes much more time. Unless Gai already starts in 7 gates and is 2 meters before Minato, i don't see why he couldn't pull this off
5- Only with Ftg. If Minato doesn't have any info on the gates this makes this even more of a stomp.
And they will tag him for the reasons i presented. One diversion can be enough:
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Him and the clones can also still use FTG to dodge. With kunais from close, mid to mountain ranges around, it should be easy to escape its attack range
8- Yea that true but only if he's actually caught.
The barrier he was about to use to conceal the Kyubi or he can use the minuscle version of Hokage barrier that sound4 used in part1(for less chakra usage)
All this was also without mentioning the side effects of the 7th gate(while using Hirudora) that will start kicking in sooner or later and leaving him open:
Wasnt this thread made already & its the same people replying i'm giving this to minato. In foot speed ,taijutsu, reaction,strength, stamina guy would shred the shit out of minato but combinations with toad summonings i see minato setting it up for a mid diff win.
^^^^^Summonings are non factor at its finest, when they are not landing a single hit on Guy, and when the latter knows that he just has to attack minato rather then his summons,
so either way, Minato is not running away from him
