Was Sasuke trying to copy what Naruto did

Naruto X Hunter

Kage in the Making 👑
Legendary
Joined
Jul 13, 2014
Messages
10,191
Reaction score
1,248
Falls under spatial re-composition :coffee:

Yes i know,but it has more steps to it's shape manipulation then Chidori. Chidori doesn't have to use advanced rotation or compress it's shape to form a ball.
 

Naruto X Hunter

Kage in the Making 👑
Legendary
Joined
Jul 13, 2014
Messages
10,191
Reaction score
1,248
Its the same with the bijuu, using a tool in order to beat someone means soloing. Bijuu's are tools for jinchuriki to use.

Naruto disagrees,he doesn't see Bijuu as just sources of power.He sees them as living beings who shouldn't be forcefully used as power. Bijuu are living entities,a Kunai for example isn't.Kunai's do not talk,give advice,load up chakra for the user as he fights,etc.The Kyuubi does.
 

SSStylish

Anbu Operative 🎭
Veteran
Joined
Oct 28, 2014
Messages
3,467
Reaction score
597
Its the same with the bijuu, using a tool in order to beat someone means soloing. Bijuu's are tools for jinchuriki to use.

No, it's like beating someone up with a friend. I get where you're coming from but I rather stick to the actual definition.
 

UzumakiWade

Jōnin Strategist 🧠
Veteran
Joined
Apr 18, 2014
Messages
2,487
Reaction score
121
Naruto disagrees,he doesn't see Bijuu as just sources of power.He sees them as living beings who shouldn't be forcefully used as power. Bijuu are living entities,a Kunai for example isn't.Kunai's do not talk,give advice,load up chakra for the user as he fights,etc.The Kyuubi does.

So Naruto's opinion means everything to you now? Thats just what he sees them as, in reality they are just tools for humans to use. Kurama never gave advice to Naruto for the millionth time. Does Kurama give Naruto Amaterasu or Susano'o? No.

No, it's like beating someone up with a friend. I get where you're coming from but I rather stick to the actual definition.


No, its using a tool or power within you to beat your opponent, just like EMS. Although technically EMS is also like that, except your not using your friend, your using his power to beat up someone which is basically the same thing. Naruto doesn't use his friend, he uses the power.
 

V h o

Kage in the Making 👑
Legendary
Joined
Jan 27, 2013
Messages
16,796
Reaction score
815
Yes i know,but it has more steps to it's shape manipulation then Chidori. Chidori doesn't have to use advanced rotation or compress it's shape to form a ball.

Yes chidori has subpar spatial re composition compared to rasengan but it is still re composition nonetheless. I mean what do you expect Kakashi when said he made chidori because he could not do both physical and spatial compensation so of course the spatial composition would be lacking.
 

Naruto X Hunter

Kage in the Making 👑
Legendary
Joined
Jul 13, 2014
Messages
10,191
Reaction score
1,248
So Naruto's opinion means everything to you now? Thats just what he sees them as, in reality they are just tools for humans to use. Kurama never gave advice to Naruto for the millionth time. Does Kurama give Naruto Amaterasu or Susano'o? No.




No, its using a tool or power within you to beat your opponent, just like EMS. Although technically EMS is also like that, except your not using your friend, your using his power to beat up someone which is basically the same thing. Naruto doesn't use his friend, he uses the power.

I go by the manga and that is how Naruto in the manga feels.I never have downplayed Naruto's words.No the Kyuubi doesn't give him those cause he doesn't have those powers.

But he willingly continously gathers NE for Naruto as he fights,and his own chakra,plus his power has healed Naruto throughout the story,and powered him up many times.

Read this page.This is advice.



Yes chidori has subpar spatial re composition compared to rasengan but it is still re composition nonetheless. I mean what do you expect Kakashi when said he made chidori because he could not do both physical and spatial compensation so of course the spatial composition would be lacking.

Indeed Sir VolksWagon the 3rd.The Chidori lacks powerful shape manipulation and the added Nature element makes up for that,while the Rasengan lacks a Nature Element and makes up for that with advanced Shape Manipulation which makes it equal to the Chidori.

You see,the Chidori lacks one thing but beats Rasengan in another area,while the Rasengan lacks one thing and beats the Chidori in another area,and at the end of the day,despite that,they both still match each other.
 
Last edited:

UzumakiWade

Jōnin Strategist 🧠
Veteran
Joined
Apr 18, 2014
Messages
2,487
Reaction score
121
I go by the manga and that is how Naruto in the manga feels.I never have downplayed Naruto's words.No the Kyuubi doesn't give him those cause he doesn't have those powers.

So Naruto's opinion means that its instantly true? Bullshit, and also, exactly, EMS and Kurama both give power-ups to the users so their not much different.

But he willingly continously gathers NE for Naruto as he fights,and his own chakra,plus his power has healed Naruto throughout the story,and powered him up many times.

Sasuke's EMS and Curse mark and Rinnegan has continuously given him power as he fights, plus he has been saved and powered up many times by these things. Like i said, no different.

Read this page.This is advice.


Where exactly is Kyuubi giving advice? Do you mean the "use my chakra wisely" thing? Because its not like Naruto even needed that advice, do you think that if Kurama hadn't told him to use it wisely Naruto would have been trying to blow up the universe with it or something?
 

V h o

Kage in the Making 👑
Legendary
Joined
Jan 27, 2013
Messages
16,796
Reaction score
815
Indeed Sir VolksWagon the 3rd.The Chidori lacks powerful shape manipulation and the added Nature element makes up for that,while the Rasengan lacks a Nature Element and makes up for that with advanced Shape Manipulation which makes it equal to the Chidori.

You see,the Chidori lacks one thing but beats Rasengan in another area,while the Rasengan lacks one thing and beats the Chidori in another area,and at the end of the day,despite that,they both still match each other.
I said chidori has 2 properties just to equal with rasengan's 1 property....:|

Not seeing what you are denying or attempting to argue? Chidori has to have both spatial and physical composition just to match rasengan's advanced spatial composition....

Adding physical composition to rasengan would be superior than chidori and rasengan(basic).
 

Naruto X Hunter

Kage in the Making 👑
Legendary
Joined
Jul 13, 2014
Messages
10,191
Reaction score
1,248
So Naruto's opinion means that its instantly true? Bullshit, and also, exactly, EMS and Kurama both give power-ups to the users so their not much different.



Sasuke's EMS and Curse mark and Rinnegan has continuously given him power as he fights, plus he has been saved and powered up many times by these things. Like i said, no different.



Where exactly is Kyuubi giving advice? Do you mean the "use my chakra wisely" thing? Because its not like Naruto even needed that advice, do you think that if Kurama hadn't told him to use it wisely Naruto would have been trying to blow up the universe with it or something?

It is different.How many times do i have to explain the same thing.Do Itachi's eyes talk to him? Do Itachi's eye's load up chakra for him as he fights,let him know when he's done and give it to him?

The Kyuubi,a living entity,willingly helps Naruto in battle.What Naruto said is true.The Bijuus are not just sources of power - they are living entities and shouldn't be considered as mere tools for battle.As just power. Rinnegan,CM,are not alive,they're not living entities.It's not the same as Naruto actually having a Bijuu inside him helping him.If Naruto just had his chakra then it would be similar.

Read the second to last panel then go to the link below,then read the second to last panel again.



That is giving advice.

Deidara and Danzo suicided.

Original White Zetsu is fodder. Tobi said he wasn't fit for combat.

Sasuke kicked Deidara's ass to the point where the only chance he had to beat him was a suicide bomb.Sasuke's actions led to him dieing.

Sasuke killed Danzo,it wasn't a suicide.Are you thinking that the sealing technique was suicide? It wasn't.It was a seal that automatically activated when he died.

White Zetsu has a name,we saw him throughout the story and he played a big part.Tobi used 100,000 of him against the SA.Fodders are the nameless 40,000 shinobi who died the first day of the war.
I said chidori has 2 properties just to equal with rasengan's 1 property....:|

Not seeing what you are denying or attempting to argue? Chidori has to have both spatial and physical composition just to match rasengan's advanced spatial composition....

Adding physical composition to rasengan would be superior than chidori and rasengan(basic).

Rasengan needs advanced Shape Manipulation to match the Chidori.The Chidori doesn't need advance shape manipulation.The Chidori does need 2 properties,but my point is,the Rasengan needs even higher level shape manipulation to match the Chidori.

If the Chidori needed advance shape manipulation like the Rasengan did,then yes,Rasengan could be considered greater.
 
Last edited:

V h o

Kage in the Making 👑
Legendary
Joined
Jan 27, 2013
Messages
16,796
Reaction score
815
Rasengan needs advanced Shape Manipulation to match the Chidori.
Rasengan is advanced spatial composition. It can not be rasengan without, so what are you saying?
The Chidori doesn't need advance shape manipulation.
Chidori lacks it.
The Chidori does need 2 properties,but my point is,the Rasengan needs even higher level shape manipulation to match the Chidori.
So basically rasengan needs to be rasengan to beat chidori :|
If the Chidori needed advance shape manipulation like the Rasengan did,then yes,Rasengan could be considered greater.
Chidori by definition lacks advanced shape manipulation ._.
 

Naruto X Hunter

Kage in the Making 👑
Legendary
Joined
Jul 13, 2014
Messages
10,191
Reaction score
1,248
Rasengan is advanced spatial composition. It can not be rasengan without, so what are you saying?

Chidori lacks it.
So basically rasengan needs to be rasengan to beat chidori :|

Chidori by definition lacks advanced shape manipulation ._.

It's simple,the Rasengan needs Advanced Shape Manipulation.The Chidori requires Shape Manipulation but it doesn't need to be advanced.
 

Zawerni

Anbu Operative 🎭
Veteran
Joined
Aug 6, 2014
Messages
3,899
Reaction score
244
Sasuke kicked Deidara's ass to the point where the only chance he had to beat him was a suicide bomb.Sasuke's actions led to him dieing.

Sasuke killed Danzo,it wasn't a suicide.Are you thinking that the sealing technique was suicide? It wasn't.It was a seal that automatically activated when he died.

White Zetsu has a name,we saw him throughout the story and he played a big part.Tobi used 100,000 of him against the SA.Fodders are the nameless 40,000 shinobi who died the first day of the war.

Deidara still killed himself. Sasuke only weakened him.

White Zetsu is still fodder. Tobi used Zetsu clones enhanced with Hashirama's cells farmed from Yamato against the Shinobi Alliance. Original Zetsu and non-enhanced clones are too weak.
 

V h o

Kage in the Making 👑
Legendary
Joined
Jan 27, 2013
Messages
16,796
Reaction score
815
It's simple,the Rasengan needs Advanced Shape Manipulation.The Chidori requires Shape Manipulation but it doesn't need to be advanced.

Which is why it's weaker. Although at this point I guess you're just trolling. Easy way to boost my post count
 

Naruto X Hunter

Kage in the Making 👑
Legendary
Joined
Jul 13, 2014
Messages
10,191
Reaction score
1,248
Which is why it's weaker. Although at this point I guess you're just trolling. Easy way to boost my post count

It's equal,it makes up it's lack of power shape manipulation with it's nature element.

This conversation continues because you're stubborn.I thought it would end in the comment where i said,"Sir Volks Wagon the 3rd."
 

V h o

Kage in the Making 👑
Legendary
Joined
Jan 27, 2013
Messages
16,796
Reaction score
815
It's equal,it makes up it's lack of power shape manipulation with it's nature element.

This conversation continues because you're stubborn.I thought it would end in the comment where i said,"Sir Volks Wagon the 3rd."

Basically you're from the first page in some attempt of trolling Lol
 

UzumakiWade

Jōnin Strategist 🧠
Veteran
Joined
Apr 18, 2014
Messages
2,487
Reaction score
121
It is different.How many times do i have to explain the same thing.Do Itachi's eyes talk to him? Do Itachi's eye's load up chakra for him as he fights,let him know when he's done and give it to him?

So what if Kurama talks to Naruto? And does Kurama give Naruto EMS? They are different but their functions are the same

The Kyuubi,a living entity,willingly helps Naruto in battle.What Naruto said is true.The Bijuus are not just sources of power - they are living entities and shouldn't be considered as mere tools for battle.As just power. Rinnegan,CM,are not alive,they're not living entities.It's not the same as Naruto actually having a Bijuu inside him helping him.If Naruto just had his chakra then it would be similar.

It doesn't matter whether they are living or not, fact is Bijuu give the user power and Rinnegan and EMS give the user power, they are both tools for a user to use.

Read the second to last panel then go to the link below,then read the second to last panel again.



That is giving advice.

Do you even know what advice means? You had to use a dictionary to figure it out? Advice means to suggest ideas to another person, the second last panel is exactly what im talking about. Do you think Naruto would have used up all of Kurama's chakra trying to blow up the planet if Kurama didn't advice him to use the chakra wisely? No, that advice was irrelevant as Naruto would have done the same thing regardless if kyuubi said that.
 
Last edited:

Naruto X Hunter

Kage in the Making 👑
Legendary
Joined
Jul 13, 2014
Messages
10,191
Reaction score
1,248
So what if Kurama talks to Naruto? And does Kurama give Naruto EMS? They are different but their functions are the same



It doesn't matter whether they are living or not, fact is Bijuu give the user power and Rinnegan and EMS give the user power, they are both tools for a user to use.



Do you even know what advice means? You had to use a dictionary to figure it out? Advice means to suggest ideas to another person, the second last panel is exactly what im talking about. Do you think Naruto would have used up all of Kurama's chakra trying to blow up the planet if Kurama didn't advice him to use the chakra wisely? No, that advice was irrelevant as Naruto would have done the same thing regardless if kyuubi said that.

You are dense.Again,if Naruto just has the Kyuubi's chakra then fine.But he has him actually helping him out in battle.Eye's and Chakra don't talk,they don't load up chakra while the user is fighting,etc.

Wow,i googled the definition to advice for you,you read it,yet still act as if the Kyuubi didn't give him advice
 

Zawerni

Anbu Operative 🎭
Veteran
Joined
Aug 6, 2014
Messages
3,899
Reaction score
244
If Itachi's eyes talked to Sasuke, what difference would it make?
 

UzumakiWade

Jōnin Strategist 🧠
Veteran
Joined
Apr 18, 2014
Messages
2,487
Reaction score
121
You are dense.Again,if Naruto just has the Kyuubi's chakra then fine.But he has him actually helping him out in battle.Eye's and Chakra don't talk,they don't load up chakra while the user is fighting,etc.

Again, Kyuubi IS chakra, alive chakra but still chakra, the true form of Kyuubi is when all the bijuus are combined to form the juubi, Kyuubi is only a bigger slice of the pizza from the juubi. Like i said, it doesn't matter whether one talks and the other doesnt, so what? Also, eyes give power as well to aid the user. They are both the same. Its not my fault if you can't handle the truth.

Wow,i googled the definition to advice for you,you read it,yet still act as if the Kyuubi didn't give him advice

You need to learn the definition of advice more than me son, tell me what would have happened if Kyuubi didn't tell Naruto to use his chakra wisely? Nothing, it would have been the same result regardless of whether kyuubi gave that advice or not, show me a different scan apart from that one of kyuubi giving Naruto advice. Oh whats that? You can't because there aren't any others? Nice, Lol.
 
Top