Kishimoto's secret vault

[SkyGodHorus]

If you were given access to info about concepts Kishimoto may have discarded or changed in the manga, what would they be? This includes plot devices, characterization, possible foreshadowings, etc. I'll leave a poll to give an idea. Keep in mind this thread is a bit subjective however towards the reader's interpretations. I suppose you could say this would be like asking Kishimoto questions at a festivity, only you're breaking into his office to learn all of them yourself. If he retconned things, discarded or changed things for time or simply because he didn't like them.

 

[Zealous Sparks]

I'd like to see if Kishimoto had any plans for the other jinchuuriki's stories.

 

[NineSNS]

I want to know which ending scenes he had planned for a long time.

 

[Sir Blades]

I want to see Prime Hiruzen. He should make a short arc for many characters (fan favorites)

 

[Torche]

I would like to know how long he had transmigrations planned, and if he ever had any intention of making Naruto something akin to the second coming of Hagoromo.

I am not talking about Naruto having the Rinnegan, but all of that misleading text about Naruto being "The old mans..." and all of that but couldn't do it as it would make Sasuke irrelevant to the plot and screw the Yin/Yang theme. It also came back later when Hamura was introduced with Kaguya as a parallel of Naruto reminding her of Hagoromo and Sasuke reminding her of Hamura. Was that retconing the confusion, was Hamura always planned?

 

[Xlad]

I would like to know how long he had transmigrations planned, and if he ever had any intention of making Naruto something akin to the second coming of Hagoromo.

I am not talking about Naruto having the Rinnegan, but all of that misleading text about Naruto being "The old mans..." and all of that but couldn't do it as it would make Sasuke irrelevant to the plot and screw the Yin/Yang theme. It also came back later when Hamura was introduced with Kaguya as a parallel of Naruto reminding her of Hagoromo and Sasuke reminding her of Hamura. Was that retconing the confusion, was Hamura always planned?

That whole thing stirred shit up back then. Lol

 

[Torche]

That whole thing stirred shit up back then. Lol

I know. It was entirely misleading. Not gonna lie, I too once thought that it was going to be that way; when I was a noob at Naruto and failed to understand the concepts. Looking at it now it was foolish to think so with the way Kishi does things. Still, I would like to know if he had played with that line of thought but rejected it in the end.

 

[Zealous Sparks]

Some other things to think about:

When Kishi was designing the Akatsuki members and their abilities, were there any concept characters that were not included in the original work?

What abilities would Kishi have given to Izuna? (We know he had MS and kenjutsu, but that's really about all.)

How long had Kishi planned for BZ to be working against Madara?

 

[Torche]

Some other things to think about:

When Kishi was designing the Akatsuki members and their abilities, were there any concept characters that were not included in the original work?

What abilities would Kishi have given to Izuna? (We know he had MS and kenjutsu, but that's really about all.)

How long had Kishi planned for BZ to be working against Madara?

I would say the bottom one was one of the ways he came up to defeat Madara (obviously ) when he admitted he didn't know how to do it, well; amongst others. It was probably the only one that made some sense. Two of the other obvious possible ways were the tools of the sage and whatever Jutsu Hashirama gave Sasuke.

 

[Zealous Sparks]

I would say the bottom one was one of the ways he came up to defeat Madara (obviously ) when he admitted he didn't know how to do it, well; amongst others. It was probably the only one that made some sense. Two of the other obvious possible ways were the tools of the sage and whatever Jutsu Hashirama gave Sasuke.

True. Kishi probably had decided on that when we saw the panel of Hashirama appearing to sense someone watching at the end of his and Madara's battle.

Hashirama's jutsu and the whole Izuna/Sasuke parallel were pretty much thrown out when Madara stabbed Sasuke. I guess it was just used to make Sasuke's near death experience more surprising.

 

[SkyGodHorus]

I would say the bottom one was one of the ways he came up to defeat Madara (obviously ) when he admitted he didn't know how to do it, well; amongst others. It was probably the only one that made some sense. Two of the other obvious possible ways were the tools of the sage and whatever Jutsu Hashirama gave Sasuke.

Or just plain fighting him lols.

 

[Torche]

True. Kishi probably had decided on that when we saw the panel of Hashirama appearing to sense someone watching at the end of his and Madara's battle.

Hashirama's jutsu and the whole Izuna/Sasuke parallel were pretty much thrown out when Madara stabbed Sasuke. I guess it was just used to make Sasuke's near death experience more surprising.

Yeah, true.

Or just plain fighting him lols.

It was an indefinite loosing battle.

 

[siege]

It would be cool if Naruto got the Byakugan when he and Sasuke got the power ups from SOSP

 

[SkyGodHorus]

Yeah, true.



It was an indefinite loosing battle.

Uh, no...He had Hagoromo's power and they did as well. Kishimoto could have easily done it.

It would be cool if Naruto got the Byakugan when he and Sasuke got the power ups from SOSP

Lol yeah I made a theory the Byakugan was dormant in the Senjus. Wouldn't it have been cool if Neji had somehow transferred his to Naruto before he died? Lols.

 

[Torche]

Uh, no...He had Hagoromo's power and they did as well. Kishimoto could have easily done it.

And Madara was "playing a game" right up until BZ betrayed him.

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Kishimoto hyped double Rinnegan too much and made the mistake of making Final Madara immortal. The Yin/Yang seals are the only way to beat him but he can evade that with the use of Limbo's. His "Rain Drop" Chibaku Tensei were testing out his powers and a distraction. On top of that he used barely any Jutsu after becoming a Juubi Jin, much like Obito tbh.

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We could debate all day, but it really comes down to a matter of opinion.

 

[siege]

Uh, no...He had Hagoromo's power and they did as well. Kishimoto could have easily done it.



Lol yeah I made a theory the Byakugan was dormant in the Senjus. Wouldn't it have been cool if Neji had somehow transferred his to Naruto before he died? Lols.

Yeah I had a thought when Neji died if he somehow transferred his knowledge,skills and powers that would have been a great power up for Naruto thinking he would be Hokage right after the war keep in mind this was before the SOSP showed up and Kakashi became the sixth Hokage

 

[SkyGodHorus]

And Madara was "playing a game" right up until BZ betrayed him.

Madara called everything a game. The guy loved battle. That doesn't support your statement. And if you want to get literal, they were kicking his ass before he took off into Kamui to get his other eye.

Kishimoto hyped double Rinnegan too much and made the mistake of making Final Madara immortal.

Probably because he originally meant for him to be the final villain, even in the final arc.

Madara wasn't immortal. He was almost killed by Gai, and Hagoromo himself was a mortal man who was old and dying even when he still had the juubi inside him.

The Yin/Yang seals are the only way to beat him but he can evade that with the use of Limbo's.

Yeah, like you'd know the way to beat him lols. You aren't the mangaka, so cut it with the heresay bullcrap and don't even think of turning my thread into one of those stupid vs. threads from the colloseum section.

His "Rain Drop" Chibaku Tensei were testing out his powers and a distraction.

And why exactly would he need a distraction if he were unbeatable?

On top of that he used barely any Jutsu after becoming a Juubi Jin, much like Obito tbh.

That was because he didn't have the other Rinnegan and any other jutsus would be pointless being that he had the bijuus, the gudou damas, Limbo and Hagoromo's senjutsu.

We could debate all day, but it really comes down to a matter of opinion.

If that's what you think. You're using misinformation, misconceptions and generalizations however. If you want to debate about Madara however, either make a thread about it or visit my profile. We're not doing it here.

 

[Espadara Uchiha]

I remember when everyone thought Hamura was Jashin, and Kaguya's husk was the Shinigami. The sad thing was they both made so much sense.

 

[Zealous Sparks]

And why exactly would he need a distraction if he were unbeatable? That was because he didn't have the other Rinnegan and any other jutsus would be pointless being that he had the bijuus, the gudou damas, Limbo and the Hagoromo's senjutsu.

Madara had both Rinnegan at the point he casted the CTs against Naruto and Sasuke. [

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OT: Now that I see the poll options, I would have loved to see the origins of Totsuka/Yata, how the Uzumaki created the RDS, and what, if any, powers did the other masks at the Uzumaki shrine possess.

 

[SkyGodHorus]

Madara had both Rinnegan at the point he casted the CTs against Naruto and Sasuke. [

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The second sentence was to answer why he was not using many jutsus when he first became the juubi jinchuriki.

OT: Now that I see the poll options, I would have loved to see the origins of Totsuka/Yata, how the Uzumaki created the RDS, and what, if any, powers did the other masks at the Uzumaki shrine possess.

Kaguya came from some other planet apparently and the shinigami resembles her so perhaps they are of her race and are summoned there by the jutsu lols.