Naruto full power vs sasuke full power with intent to kill

[KidGamer65]

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Naruto absorbed ALL of the Nature Energy on the planet and you actually think he didn't go all out? Lol.

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I suppose that Naruto was running towards a Chidoriless Sasuke with his Rasengan, an attack that will kill him if it lands, for the lulz.

 

[Europa]

Love the claims in this thread.

 

[Bogard]

Naruto is much stronger than Sasuke. It's for that reason Naruto had the following restrictions to make this fight seem more even than it actually was

1- Tired and exhausted Naruto after 2 days of war fighting multiple enemies, sharing chakra and so on
2- Losing multiple of his gudodamas, only remaining with 3
3- Sasuke powering-up with all tailed beasts
4- No killing intent
5- Naruto only using 2 Rasenballs(likely due to 4)

So in the end, while i expected Kishi to show them as equals, nothing really changed. Naruto was simply too strong for him. A nerf was needed to make this fight more even

 

[Europa]

Stephan on denial.

 

[KidGamer65]

Naruto is much stronger than Sasuke. It's for that reason Naruto had the following restrictions to make this fight seem more even than it actually was

1- Tired and exhausted Naruto after 2 days of war fighting multiple enemies, sharing chakra and so on

Yeah, too bad he gained Half of Rikudo's Chakra and use of the other 8 Bijuu's Chakra along with Yin Kurama after he did all that. So no, 2 days of exhaustion isn't something he's suffering from.

2- Losing multiple of his gudodamas, only remaining with 3

True, he did lose the Gudo Dama.....but Naruto's final attack far surpasses anything he could do with the Gudo Dama, so its irrelevant.

3- Sasuke powering-up with all tailed beasts

I'll give you that, RSM Naruto>>>Rinnegan Sasuke.

4- No killing intent

He took on all of the Natural Energy on the planet, and he was about to hit a defenseless Sasuke with no offense with a Rasengan. If that isn't killing intent I don't know what is. All I know is that he did get serious, so this wouldn't be something that hindered him.

5- Naruto only using 2 Rasenballs(likely due to 4)

He only used 2 because that is his best. Kurama took in all of the Nature Energy in the planet and they put it into that final attack. Naruto can't top that.

So in the end, while i expected Kishi to show them as equals, nothing really changed. Naruto was simply too strong for him. A nerf was needed to make this fight more even

A nerf? More like Sasuke getting a boost.

 

[Benjamin King]

Where does it say ''All natural energy on the plane''? Where does it show Naruto tried to kill Sasuke with a Rasengan (which doesn't kill) instead of putting him down for the time being? I'll post Naruto's statement:

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[Bogard]

Stephan on denial.

Haha it's just the truth

Yeah, too bad he gained Half of Rikudo's Chakra and use of the other 8 Bijuu's Chakra along with Yin Kurama after he did all that. So no, 2 days of exhaustion isn't something he's suffering from.

It's a mangafact this whole war sucked up all his chakra dude:

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True, he did lose the Gudo Dama.....but Naruto's final attack far surpasses anything he could do with the Gudo Dama, so its irrelevant.

How do you know? Gudodamas is stronger than any other chakra form considering it's made of any type of natural affinity and yin/yang. If he combined his fuuton elemental affinities to his gudodamas, i've no doubt in my mind his attacks would have been exponentially stronger

I'll give you that, RSM Naruto>>>Rinnegan Sasuke.

Okay

He took on all of the Natural Energy on the planet, and he was about to hit a defenseless Sasuke with no offense with a Rasengan. If that isn't killing intent I don't know what is. All I know is that he did get serious, so this wouldn't be something that hindered him.

Depends on the location where he wanted to hit him with the rasengan. He did say he had no killing intent. I don't know why we should doubt him

He only used 2 because that is his best. Kurama took in all of the Nature Energy in the planet and they put it into that final attack. Naruto can't top that.

All nature energy in the planet? Where did you read that? What i read is that his chakra was running particularly low though due to war

A nerf? More like Sasuke getting a boost.

Both actually

 

[KidGamer65]

Naruto's statement is irrelevant as he tried to kill Sasuke afterwards, and no, a Rasengan of that size does kill.

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Yura says hi. Unless he was actually alive, and just faking it. Lol.

VIZ says he absorbed EVERYTHING available. Raw says that he absorbed everything on the planet, translated by takL.

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It should be clear as day that Naruto went full power and nothing less.

 

[KidGamer65]

It's a mangafact this whole war sucked up all his chakra dude:

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Yet we know that this is logically impossible. At certain points Naruto had his chakra refilled.

-Sakura healed him.
-Kurama handed him chakra to enter Bijuu Mode.
-He got 8 pieces of the Bijuu plus Yin Kurama.
-Then he got half of Hagoromo's Chakra, which was his last refill.

There is literally no way that the war from start to finish is chakra exhaustion under Naruto's belt, not when he recharged himself quite a few times.

How do you know? Gudodamas is stronger than any other chakra form considering it's made of any type of natural affinity and yin/yang. If he combined his fuuton elemental affinities to his gudodamas, i've no doubt in my mind his attacks would have been exponentially stronger

We saw his Bijuu Dama FRS, which used the Gudo Dama. A mere standard Bijuu Dama from Kurama Mode Naruto was almost as big as it. Naruto's last attack had pretty much all the Nature Energy on the Earth. Gudo Dama isn't topping that. Especially since I'm 99% sure the black orb he made was a Gudo Dama and not a Bijuu Dama.

-Asura had similar black orbs.
-Bijuu Dama aren't formed like that.


Okay

Depends on the location where he wanted to hit him with the rasengan. He did say he had no killing intent. I don't know why we should doubt him

Because, right after Sasuke powered up and started smacking him around, either Naruto got serious or he died. If taking in all the Nature Energy on the planet isn't getting serious, and using your strongest attack isn't getting serious then I don't know what is.

Like where? I cannot think of a location where a Rasengan that big wouldn't kill Sasuke.

All nature energy in the planet? Where did you read that? What i read is that his chakra was running particularly low though due to war

Read my previous post.

Both actually

Nah.

 

[Benjamin King]

A Rasengan boosted by Kurama's Chakra > Rasengan used by exhausted Naruto.

Not really. The Japanese translation uses Romaji, which doesn't translate Kurama to ''Kulama''. The Japanese translation uses Romaji, which doesn't translate Rikudo to ''Rikudoh''. A Japanese translation uses Romaji, which doesn't translate Gedo Mazo to ''Gedomazo''. Romaji translates correct English spelling. Credit goes to Blacord.

Anyway, Kurama is composed of Juubi's power. It wouldn't make sense for it to absorb the same power that makes up the Juubi's, which Kurama states to be impossible to measure. And since you're just jumping to what ever translation suits you, I'll use the translation that suits me as well:

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- ''It's everything that's available, here it comes''​

 

[King Of Pop]

The naruto fanboyism in thiss thread is something else, nice posts kid gamer.

 

[KidGamer65]

A Rasengan boosted by Kurama's Chakra > Rasengan used by exhausted Naruto.​

Not really. Him being exhausted doesn't change the strength of his Rasengan as he still had enough chakra to make one of that size. That's like saying a Rasengan used from a full chakra Naruto>A Rasengan used by a Shadow Clone Naruto even though they are the same exact size. Manga disagrees with you buddy.

Same size, same strength. Base Naruto has Rikudo's Chakra running through him regardless, a better boost than Kurama's Chakra.

Not really. The Japanese translation uses Romaji, which doesn't translate Kurama to ''Kulama''. The Japanese translation uses Romaji, which doesn't translate Rikudo to ''Rikudoh''. A Japanese translation uses Romaji, which doesn't translate Gedo Mazo to ''Gedomazo''. Romaji translates correct English spelling. Credit goes to Blacord.

Is this relevant? No. Does this disprove the translation? No. I'll believe a Japanese Native over whatever you have to say any day.

Anyway, Kurama is composed of Juubi's power. It wouldn't make sense for it to absorb the same power that makes up the Juubi's, which Kurama states to be impossible to measure. And since you're just jumping to what ever translation suits you, I'll use the translation that suits me as well:

That Kurama Avatar isn't the standard Kurama, not when its being boosted by Naruto's Rikudo Senjutsu. Naruto was able to accurately measure the Juubi's power after gaining Rikudo Senjutsu, as he was able to say that Kaguya had more chakra than the Juubi. Fact of the matter is, Kurama absorbed all of the Nature Energy on the planet and gave it to Naruto.

Lol. Pretty sure you made a whole thread based on this translation but suddenly it doesn't suit you? When it counters your argument? Are we serious here?

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- ''It's everything that's available, here it comes''

Which can mean the same thing as what takL stated, thus this doesn't contradict takL meaning it doesn't counter my argument, but since the Japanese text is what Kishi wrote, there is no more reliable source. So Naruto absorbed ALL of the Nature Energy on the planet like it or not.

 

[KidGamer65]

How is Sasuke countering this?

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Um. That explosion<<<<Half of what we saw last chapter by far. Asura Avatar Naruto's final attack>>>>Any other attack he used in the manga as that attack is fueled by all of the Nature Energy on Earth. Indra's Arrow is equal to Naruto's final attack, thus Indra's Arrow obliterates the Bijuu Dama, hits Naruto and blows him away.

The naruto fanboyism in thiss thread is something else, nice posts kid gamer.

Lol, thanks man.

 

[Benjamin King]

Mate, you have no idea how translations work, seriously. One word in a language can have many other definitions and interpretations. I speak another language aside English, and if I were to translate it to English, it will have different context only because of what that word holds.

If takL is indeed your best source, then why don't you tell me why he couldn't possibly spell those name lists I pointed out? I'll wait. And since you're going around Japanese-native speaker, I have a computer to translate Japanese to English, and I have an official translation. You're trying too hard, really.

Nope, Sasuke stated that Madara's Chakra as Juubi's Jinchuuriki was greater than his and Naruto's combined, after seeing Kaguya; which means Rikudou Senjutsu didn't put his ability accumulate Natural Energy on the level of the Juubi's. Nope, Minato's base Rasengan caused more destruction than a normal Rasengan, despite being a normal Rasengan.

And about that thread I made, Blacord visited Japan himself and could speak a bit convinced me takL isn't reliable as hyped to be.​

 

[KidGamer65]

Mate, you have no idea how translations work, seriously. One word in a language can have many other definitions and interpretations. I speak another language aside English, and if I were to translate it to English, it will have different context only because of what that word holds.​

I know that, this is the EXACT reason why what takL reads is superior to VIZ, because he gets the message Kishimoto wrote, with the context it was originally written in, which allows him to convey the message to us.

If takL is indeed your best source, then why don't you tell me why he couldn't possibly spell those name lists I pointed out? I'll wait. And since you're going around Japanese-native speaker, I have a computer to translate Japanese to English, and I have an official translation. You're trying too hard, really.

1. I don't care about your computer as I have pretty much no idea what program you are using to translate it to English, nor do I know how good it actually is. I could say the same thing but be using some shit program like Google Translate, doesn't mean its more accurate than what someone who was born and raised in Japan has to say about his own language. Lol. Its ridiculous how you made a whole thread based on takL's translation, talking about how he is so credible and how he has never been wrong before, but now that I use the same translation to counter your argument, suddenly his translation isn't reliable. Lol.

takL is a translator in NF. Only those who visit NF will know his info is reliable and never once was wrong.



''par'' is a reference to Sasuke merging the Bijuu to Hagoromo who split them. The context is important.

Since some people are misunderstood, I'll make it clear:

When Kurama said ''on par'', he meant that Sasuke is as good as Hagoromo in using Bijuu's Chakra. Hagoromo divided their Chakra into 9 parts, whereas Sasuke fused the Chakra and made Susanoo as a vessel. That's completely different in level as in power.

Before people question the source, takL is reliable. I used to visit NF and still do for Viz and Japanese, TakL was always accurate.

Japanese Raw > Viz > *********** > MangaPanda. Why go with worse translation? I know why...Suausgay will look bad.

takL is a native-Japanese and had translated many raws in NF. He never once was wrong from my experience in NF. So I'll go with him.

2. Him not being able to spell correctly is irrelevant, nor does it discredit his translation.

3. The official translation doesn't contradict my argument or takL's translation, so why do you keep mentioning it.

Nope, Sasuke stated that Madara's Chakra as Juubi's Jinchuuriki was greater than his and Naruto's combined, after seeing Kaguya.

Scans? Cause all he said was that Kaguya's chakra is on another level, and Naruto said that she has more chakra than the Juubi.

Nope, Minato's base Rasengan caused more destruction than a normal Rasengan, despite being a normal Rasengan.

That's because of size. Minato's Normal Rasengan is larger than Naruto's normal Rasengan, thus its stronger.

 

[Benjamin King]

Again, you don't know how it works. I can know why because only English is the language you speak, in comparison to me and millions of people who can speak 2 or more. Let me try another approach for you to understand the idea of how translations work:

First, there is no evidence that takL is a speaker of Japanese language or raised in Japan. If you try to say people said he was, then you're using Appeal to popularity; which means your reasoning is based on others think, and not actually proposing the evidence that he is indeed a native-speaker. So until you provide evidence he is, that part holds no weight.

Second, the languages translated by the computer is programmed to do that, since the programme contains the language to turn itself around. So I don't know how you came with a shitty programme, but you don't know that works either. The only problem with a computer translation programme, is what the actual word you're looking for, and what context it holds. Since the Japanese translation holds different interoperation, that is what makes the language hard to translate. takL or any typical translator on a forum would not know the word Kishimoto used and context it holds.

And not only that, takL translates the names of characters incorrectly. You're relying on a translator who can't spell Romaji, which shows you don't have any real argument, and just grasping what ever you see. You actually said the spelling is irrelevant? Brother, the spelling is important because it tells you if the person understands the language's grammar properly. You're not going to just trust a translator if he/she can't spell his own language; that's pathetic.

Kaguya's Chakra is on a complete different level than Madara's Chakra. Naruto says it's more than Juubi's Chakra. Madara contains the Juubi's Chakra. Get the message?

Wrong. Rasengan is Chakra based, and stronger Chakra = stronger Jutsu. Minato's Chakra > Base Naruto's Chakra. Kurama's Chakra > Naruto's Chakra.​

 

[Benjamin King]

And yeah, the Viz, an official translation paid to translate, says the Natural Energy absorbed by Kurama is the only available:

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Which can be interpreted that Kurama absorbed the Natural Energy surrounds the battlefield, or its body's limits can offer. Not interoperated as the entire planet.​

 

[KidGamer65]

Again, you don't know how it works. I can know why because only English is the language you speak, in comparison to me and millions of people who can speak 2 or more. Let me try another approach for you to understand the idea of how translations work:​

And no, I'm taking a Turkish language class in my school, so I know some of the language and I know that when translated into English the meaning can change.

First, there is no evidence that takL is a speaker of Japanese language or raised in Japan. If you try to say people said he was, then you're using Appeal to popularity; which means your reasoning is based on others think, and not actually proposing the evidence that he is indeed a native-speaker. So until you provide evidence he is, that part holds no weight.

The fact his translations are always closest to the official is proof enough. Before VIZ ever came out, he is the one who said that Sasuke's manipulation of the Bijuu chakra is what was on par with Rikudo, not the Mangapanda and *********** versions....guess what happened when the official came out?

Oh wait, I know. He was right. Again. You on the other hand have ZERO reason to believe he isn't what he says he is, excluding the fact that this time around he completely disagrees with your argument. If you expect me to take you seriously even though a few days ago you were on about how he's so credible, and how he's never been wrong, then good luck. Lol.

Second, the languages translated by the computed is programmed to do that, since the programme contains the language to turn itself around. So I don't know how you came with a shitty programme, but you don't know that works either. The only problem with a computer translation programme, is what the actual word you're looking for, and what context it holds. Since the Japanese translation holds different interoperation, that is what makes the language hard to translate. takL or any typical translator on a forum would know the word Kishimoto used and context it holds.

@bold: Which is why I'm going to trust him over your computer translation. Because

And not only that, takL translates the names of characters incorrectly. You're relying on a translator who can't spell Romaji, which shows you don't have any real argument, and just grasping what ever you see. You actually said the spelling is irrelevant? Brother, the spelling is important because it tells you if the person understands the language's grammar properly. You're not going to just trust a translator if he/she can't spell his own language; that's pathetic.

He only spells some character names incorrectly, everything else is spelled correctly for the most part so no, its not a grammar issue. That is just how he spells that. Don't know what the issue is but its not that he's incapable of spelling, so I have zero reason to doubt his translation, not when its been correct every time. Like I said, you are trying your hardest to deny takL's translation even though you don't have any real reason to deny it, nor do you have any evidence that changes the claim of Naruto absorbing all the Nature Energy on the planet.

Stop grasping at straws.

Kaguya's Chakra is on a complete different level than Madara's Chakra. Naruto says it's more than Juubi's Chakra. Madara contains the Juubi's Chakra. Get the message?

Ok.

Wrong. Rasengan is Chakra based, and stronger Chakra = stronger Jutsu. Minato's Chakra > Base Naruto's Chakra. Kurama's Chakra > Naruto's Chakra.

Kurama's chakra is not stronger than a Naruto who obtained Rikudo's Chakra. Rikudo's Chakra>Kurama's chakra by far.

Besides, charka strength isn't everything. Naruto's Rasengan in Part 1 was used with Kurama's Chakra, does that make it stronger than Minato's Base Rasengan? Uh, no.

And yeah, the Viz, an official translation paid to translate, says the Natural Energy absorbed by Kurama is the only available:




Which can be interpreted that Kurama absorbed the Natural Energy surrounds the battlefield, or its body's limits can offer. Not interoperated as the entire planet.

There is no reason why it can't mean everything on Earth, as everything on Earth is still available. Regardless, you put it perfectly yourself:

Japanese Raw > Viz > *********** > MangaPanda. Why go with worse translation? I know why...Suausgay will look bad.

takL is a native-Japanese and had translated many raws in NF. He never once was wrong from my experience in NF. So I'll go with him.

I'll go with the native.

 

[KidGamer65]

Not really. The Japanese translation uses Romaji, which doesn't translate Kurama to ''Kulama''. The Japanese translation uses Romaji, which doesn't translate Rikudo to ''Rikudoh''. A Japanese translation uses Romaji, which doesn't translate Gedo Mazo to ''Gedomazo''. Romaji translates correct English spelling. Credit goes to Blacord.

And coming back to this post, I know that the Romaji doesn't translate to a different spelled name, but he doesn't get the Romaji, he gets the raw scans, which are written in Kanji or Katakana, don't know which one for sure. I do know that they aren't written in Romaji So this point isn't even valid regardless.

 

[Strict]

Benjamin/Dimitri never agrees. He has his opinion and will stick with it.