Feats fans: Featless characters > Featful characters?

[BenjerminGaye]

See thats what doesnt make sense... if rikudou gave him all the power... then ashura possessed sen and uchiha.

Because the fight happens after hago gives ashura power

Maybe he did. Technically he should be a jin.

 

[KingHashirama]

Maybe he did. Technically he should be a jin.

see but thats the thing, its a fanmade assumption. And that is all i'm trying to say. Its just like the concept of "prime Nagato".

So which do you look to Feats or Hype?

Feats = Accomplishments a character did.

When i use "hype" its backed by feats of that character.

Attaining the name "god of shinobi" = a Feat.

How is Konohamaru better than his uncle or father? Asuma was one of the most powerful jonin in the leaf. He just had a bad match up in the akatsuki. He technically killed Hidan twice. Just had to deal with fighting two immortals

How is konohamaru not better than Asuma? Hes already shown far greater potential.. lol.

 

[KingHashirama]

When you can explain to me how Hashirama having Mokuton relates to him being stronger than Asura, then I'll answer your questions. Until then, you can stop referring to them. Period.

Mokuton = Substance made of juubi's body = Only avalaible to Juubi's jin = Able to restrain Juubi.

Now here is the thing, why don't you first tell me and show me any feats of how Ashura's stuff is better than Mokuton shown. Please do.

And using Naruto's feats to wank Ashura and use the typical fapboy argument... won't help you either.

Sasuke didn't have horns on his Susanoo before, then he got Hagoromo's chakra and he gained horns, thus Hagoromo's chakra is what let his Susanoo grows horns. That simple. That is what I'm suggesting. Not that hard to comprehend.



Wow, you really can't read can you? I never said horns=power. I said horns are proof that his Susanoo is enhanced by Rikudo's Chakra, thus it poops on anything Hashirama can throw at him.

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Inability to read or view pictures correctly is evidence. When you can show me horns like

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on Itachi's Susanoo, then we can talk.

Lord dude this is like explaining ABC to you.....

1. Sasuke didn't have the horns, just like Naruto didn't have Ashura's chakra avatar. Because both of those things belong to the younger sons, And the powers of the sons they did not awaken .. until they pseudo- died and met rikudou.

2. You do know that is Itachi's complete susanoo?
The horns:

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3. So why are you confusing him unlocking Indra's power with him gaining it because of Rikudou's chakra.. Are you stating Indra's chakra = Rikudou's chakra?

Read the manga buddy. Sasuke didn't gain Rinnegan via "Rikudo's Eye Chakra" which is nothing but a fanfictional term you made up. He gave Naruto his Yang and Sasuke his Yin. That is it. The chakra is what caused his eye to turn into a Rinnegan, not some made up "Rikudo Eye Chakra"

Nor do you get Rikudo's Chakra via Rinnegan.

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Not to mention this isn't even a reply to my point labeled "2". Lol, your idiocy never ceases to amaze me no matter what kind of horseshit you post. Sasuke getting Rinnegan from Rikudo's Chakra doesn't mean that PS needs Rinnegan. Never has and it never will. PS is an EMS technique. Case and point. Not debatable.

You keep saying Rinnegan made his PS stronger, even though Rinnegan didn't do shit to Edo Madara's Susanoo.

For someone who acts like he knows everything.. you sure do fail hard. Because you don't know it = i made it up?
"special eye chakra" all uchiha have it, hence why the sharingan is unlocked:

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And reread what i stated, i right after that stated, Rikudou's eye chakra gives you the rinnegan.

Yes His PS got enhanced... just like Naruto's attacks got enhanced via the Senjutu he got from Rikudou....

Obito took Rikudo Chakra from Madara and formed a Gudo Dama despite him not having the power of the 9 Bijuu, so no, him being a Jinchuuriki is irrelevant. Rikudo Senjutsu Mode is the mode you enter if you have the Bijuu + Rikudo's Chakra, with the 9 Orbs complete with the staff.

Don't mention Hashirama and Mokuton again unless you can explain why it means that he's stronger than Asura.

Obito was a previous jinchuriki.... Try again.

"rikudou senjutsu mode"...... Talk about the fan-fiction made up bullshit.. rofl.

- Naruto unlocked Ashura's chakra avatar.
- He attained Senjutsu from the Rikudou himself.. which enhanced everything he had.


I'll keep on mentioning until you provide feats that put Ashura above a Mokuton user..

Don't know where this reply is coming from since I never asked you to prove that Asura and Naruto have the same powers. In fact, you are the moron who accused me of believing that Naruto's powers=Asura's powers, to which I said "I never said that".


Manga shows that he gave them his chakra, his power, which let them get those techniques. That simple. Nor does the manga ever state that he handed specific powers to them, only his chakra. He gave away his chakra and the seals, nothing else.

Notice i never believed that you said that.. but you assumed that.. simply because I asked you a question.

Manga shows Rikudou gave Sasuke the rinnegan..... A Natural unlock of the rinnegan = both eyes.... not 1 eye.. Try again.

Me stating facts isn't bandwagoning. Funny, its always the retarded fapboys accusing someone of bandwagoning.



Still a fapboy though. He doesn't need to be your favorite for you to be a typical Hashiramra fapboy.

No but you d*ck riding means you are bandwagoning =]. I mean look at all the stuff you pulled out of your ass right now.. It only took 1 post to get you butthurt rofl. You seem to be the only person here who can't debate without insulting someone first..

Ah but not as big a fapboy as yourself. Gonna be long time till i get on that level.

KingHashirama. Listen.

Hagoromo himself stated his sons chakra transmigrated to certain descendents. Correct? So far the only known descendents were Hashi, Madara, Naruto and Sasuke.

Their chakra is what makes the transmigrants special. Hagoromo and his children havent showed many feats so its dumb to compare them.

Take this into consideration. Yes Indra and Ashura started their respective bloodlines. Yes Hashirama and Madara were the strongest in their clans. Yes Naruto and Sasuke are the strongest now. The reason Hashirama, Madara , Sasuke and Naruto could be stronger now is because they also had power from outside sources. If not then they would all be equal.

Why are the 4 descendents of Ashura and Indra strong? Because they have their ancestors chakra. If not they'd be fodder. All of them.

Why have the descendents surpassed Indra and Ashura? Because they used outside sources to gain power. Hashi=sage mode. Madara=Hashi dna/juubi jin. Sasuke= itachis eyes/ yin seal. Naruto=9 bijuu/yang seal

Dude i understand what you are trying to say.. But the whole concept of "they are equal"... is not working....

And also, Mokuton has nothing to do with Ashura's chakra.. Hashirama never awakened Ashura's chakra.

 

[spade3dg]

see but thats the thing, its a fanmade assumption. And that is all i'm trying to say. Its just like the concept of "prime Nagato".



Feats = Accomplishments a character did.

When i use "hype" its backed by feats of that character.

Attaining the name "god of shinobi" = a Feat.


How is konohamaru not better than Asuma? Hes already shown far greater potential.. lol.

The sarutobi clan was said to be one of the strongest clans in existence. Due to all the members being able to easily master high level jutsu.

Konohamaru has potential but Asuma is just on a whole level of badassery of his own

 

[KingHashirama]

The sarutobi clan was said to be one of the strongest clans in existence. Due to all the members being able to easily master high level jutsu.

Konohamaru has potential but Asuma is just on a whole level of badassery of his own

@Bold, haven't read that.


Ahahahah but potential is what decides the strongest =p, not badassery.

 

[spade3dg]

@Bold, haven't read that.


Ahahahah but potential is what decides the strongest =p, not badassery.

If I can find it it ill send you the link. But thats oart of the reason they were used in the strategy against the juubi. Their katon skills are only rivaled by the uchiha clan. Thats manga fact

 

[KingHashirama]

If I can find it it ill send you the link. But thats oart of the reason they were used in the strategy against the juubi. Their katon skills are only rivaled by the uchiha clan. Thats manga fact

rivaled by the uchiha? you mean eclipsed? XD lol jk.

But yea that was one huge as fire. Hopefull Kishimoto goes into depth with the clans in the new databook thats coming out. Plus, Hiruzen's dad is still unknown in regards to how he looked and so on.

 

[spade3dg]

rivaled by the uchiha? you mean eclipsed? XD lol jk.

But yea that was one huge as fire. Hopefull Kishimoto goes into depth with the clans in the new databook thats coming out. Plus, Hiruzen's dad is still unknown in regards to how he looked and so on.

True but he was said to be a very powerful shinobi. Hell Kakashis dad was said to be stronger than the 3 sannin. That hype tho.

Hype > feats lmao

 

[KingHashirama]

True but he was said to be a very powerful shinobi. Hell Kakashis dad was said to be stronger than the 3 sannin. That hype tho.

Hype > feats lmao

He was. I bet he was the leader of the Sarutobi clan during that time when Sarutobi clan joined Konoha.

Ahahaa oh man I want fillers for all these unanswered things in the anime. THey should make a Dvd called :History of NARUTO. Best naruto dvd in the world XD

 

[spade3dg]

He was. I bet he was the leader of the Sarutobi clan during that time when Sarutobi clan joined Konoha.

Ahahaa oh man I want fillers for all these unanswered things in the anime. THey should make a Dvd called :History of NARUTO. Best naruto dvd in the world XD

Yea. That would be awesome. Especially if everything lives up to the hype.

Id rather have anything than to have the series just finish

 

[KingHashirama]

Yea. That would be awesome. Especially if everything lives up to the hype.

Id rather have anything than to have the series just finish

Big time man. Plus, i can't see the anime just ending like that.

 

[spade3dg]

Big time man. Plus, i can't see the anime just ending like that.

Lots of them do it though. Bleach anime got canceled. Im shocked Naruto didnt

 

[BenjerminGaye]

see but thats the thing, its a fanmade assumption. And that is all i'm trying to say. Its just like the concept of "prime Nagato".



Feats = Accomplishments a character did.

When i use "hype" its backed by feats of that character.

Attaining the name "god of shinobi" = a Feat.


How is konohamaru not better than Asuma? Hes already shown far greater potential.. lol.

How is it assumption? I'm pretty sure Harogomo said it was his birthright.

 

[KidGamer65]

Mokuton = Substance made of juubi's body = Only avalaible to Juubi's jin = Able to restrain Juubi.

Now here is the thing, why don't you first tell me and show me any feats of how Ashura's stuff is better than Mokuton shown. Please do.

And using Naruto's feats to wank Ashura and use the typical fapboy argument... won't help you either.

I didn't use Naruto's feats, why is this so hard to explain to you? Precisely why you are a retard. Anyone with a Rikudo Chakra Powered Battle Avatar shits on Hashirama's Mokuton, which even EMS Madara w/ a regular Susanoo and Kurama was taking on. Hashirama's best Mokuton is Shinsuusenju, lets not wank it to make it better than it actually is.

Rikudo Chakra threw Sasuke's PS on a level where it'd shitstomp EMS Madara and Kurama.
Rikudo Chakra threw Kakashi on a level where he could fight against and injure Kaguya.

Lets not wank and try our hardest to put Hashirama on that level.

Lord dude this is like explaining ABC to you.....

1. Sasuke didn't have the horns, just like Naruto didn't have Ashura's chakra avatar. Because both of those things belong to the younger sons, And the powers of the sons they did not awaken .. until they pseudo- died and met rikudou.

Lol. He didn't unlock their past incarnates chakra.

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This is why you have to read the manga King Moron. So you don't say stupid shit on this thread.

2. You do know that is Itachi's complete susanoo?
The horns:

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Lol, what the fuck? That isn't even Susanoo let alone Itachi's Susanoo. Like I said, read the damn manga.,

3. So why are you confusing him unlocking Indra's power with him gaining it because of Rikudou's chakra.. Are you stating Indra's chakra = Rikudou's chakra?

Nope. He got Rikudo's Chakra, from him. Him unlocking Indra's chakra in the process is nothing but a theory.

For someone who acts like he knows everything.. you sure do fail hard. Because you don't know it = i made it up?
"special eye chakra" all uchiha have it, hence why the sharingan is unlocked:

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That's why the Sharingan is unlocked, that's not why the Rinnegan is unlocked. We've been told why the Rinnegan unlocks. I do know it, you just have no idea what the hell you are talking about.

And reread what i stated, i right after that stated, Rikudou's eye chakra gives you the rinnegan.

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Yes His PS got enhanced... just like Naruto's attacks got enhanced via the Senjutu he got from Rikudou....

Yes, by Rikudo's Chakra. That simple.

Obito was a previous jinchuriki.... Try again.

Irrelevant. When you have evidence that it was because he was a Previous Jin, even though it was shown and stated he could do that because he took some of Madara's power, then we can talk. If it was because of his previous Jin status, then he wouldn't need to take any power from Madara.

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"rikudou senjutsu mode"...... Talk about the fan-fiction made up bullshit.. rofl.

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All I did was add mode at the end. But then again, look who I'm talking to. Not surprised.

- Naruto unlocked Ashura's chakra avatar.

He doesn't have Ashura's Chakra Avatar. He has his own chakra avatar that looks similar.

- He attained Senjutsu from the Rikudou himself.. which enhanced everything he had.

He got Rikudo's Chakra, as the manga stated, which let him get Rikudo Senjutsu.

I'll keep on mentioning until you provide feats that put Ashura above a Mokuton user..

Then I'll ignore it since having Mokuton doesn't put him above anyone, its what he can do with it.

Manga shows Rikudou gave Sasuke the rinnegan..... A Natural unlock of the rinnegan = both eyes.... not 1 eye.. Try again.

A normal unlocking of the Rinnegan you mean. You have zero evidence that he only has it one eye because Hagoromo only gave it to him in one eye. Manga shows and states that he gave away all of his chakra.

I'm waiting for manga scans of this idiotic nonsense you are repeating.

No but you d*ck riding means you are bandwagoning =]. I mean look at all the stuff you pulled out of your ass right now.. It only took 1 post to get you butthurt rofl. You seem to be the only person here who can't debate without insulting someone first..

Except everything I said is from the manga. You get insulted when you decide to act like a little bitch. Which is what you are doing. You started with the snarky reply to my first post, so don't get butthurt when I'm not polite back.

Ah but not as big a fapboy as yourself. Gonna be long time till i get on that level.

Constantly wanking Hashirama.

Says I'm a fapboy.

Lol.

 

[KingHashirama]

You dont even know the difference between senjutsu chakra.... and chakra used for eyes... are you serious?

 

[maniaoqan]

Don't tell me to read first, when you act like a hypocritcal smartass 24/7. While the reality is you present no argument.. just asspulls from what you think is in the manga.

The manga states:
- Ashura and Indra started the senju and Uchiha bloodlines.
- All the senju are related to Ashura by blood, meaning they have his genes, meaning they have Rikudou's genes...
- For Sasuke's current PS re required the rinnegan. Show me Indra with the rinnegan.
- Furthermore, where is it stated you need the rikudou's chakra for the Gojuudama? Rofl... pulled that out of your ass didn't you. Not only that, Naruto was given his senjutsu from the rikudou plus unlocking Ashura's chakra.

Now let me ask you a question:

Why did Ashura the guy inherited ALL of rikudou's "body chakra" (despite manga being denying it.) Not able to unlock Mokuton?

Mokuton the same KKG that only a juubi's jinchuriki can attain by only becoming the Jinchuriki.. why did Ashura not attain it? rofl.

FURTHERMORE , give me any feats... you are trying to say current powers of Sasuke and Naruto = Indra and Ashura's powers.... despite showing no validation of proof.. despite saying they look similar..

So was Ashura also 9-tails jinchuriki? Cause that hasn't been mentioned also..



Then most likely Hashirama has Ashura's avatar... no?

Then most likely Naruto has Mokuton also.. no?


Actually he said he gave ninshuu. Ninshuu was teachings. Not powers.

And remember their fight happened after rikudou's death.


But here is the thing.. were their powers ever compared to VOTE legends?

they trained for their own powers.

And you said those 2 had a teacher.. thats nice.. However, ninjutsu wasn't even made yet. All they had were basic techniques.

This is what i'm saying, people like putting featless characters over featful characters at 1 time.. but then don't do the same on the opposite side..


Hashirama by himself restrained a Juubi, yet we wanna claim Ashura had that power, on a basis that he was rikudou's son?

How can you conclude that Ashura didn't had Mokuton ? As far as I can see from what you wrote you're only assuming.

 

[KingHashirama]

How can you conclude that Ashura didn't had Mokuton ? As far as I can see from what you wrote you're only assuming.

How can you say he did or had a chance? on what basis ?

 

[maniaoqan]

How can you say he did or had a chance? on what basis ?

All bloodlines came from the Shinju which Kaguya later took control and gained identical ability. When she summoned the Gudou Dama Black Zetsu stated it was combination of all elements. Until Black Zetsu told that only proper analysis about it was given by 3rd Hokage and he said it was at least 4 different element. But when Black Zetsu said that it became a known fact. Gudou Dama is combination of all 5 elements. So basically Naruto is already using Mokuton which is combining Water and Earth. At another perspective he is combining mokuton with Raiton,Katon and Doton. We saw Ashura used Gudou Dama against Indra when he summoned his Avatar. So that means he has the ability to perform Mokuton at least on Hashirama's level if not better. Did he ever used it in his life or not, like i said above he is only a character that is mentioned couple times for the sake of plot. But Mokuton and all bloodlines are avaible to all reincarnations of Ashura including Naruto.

And about the avatar which Hashirama can't use. Well obviously Ashura was jinjuuriki. He most likely had chakras of all 9 bijuus the way Naruto had except Kyuubi. Since he is the nice and cooperative guy.Hashirama could use the Avatar if he were to receive chakra from 9 bijuus. It requires the cooperation of the bijuus.

 

[uzumakinaruto389]

Whatever you say will merely be speculation...but a hint of their powers was shown (the Susano'o and the chakra avatar)....and the Susano'o was enoromous. The fact that being Indra and Ashura reincarnations makes the characters portrayed (or maybe perceived by me) as powerful, is enough for me to testify of their powers.

 

[KingHashirama]

I didn't use Naruto's feats, why is this so hard to explain to you? Precisely why you are a retard. Anyone with a Rikudo Chakra Powered Battle Avatar shits on Hashirama's Mokuton, which even EMS Madara w/ a regular Susanoo and Kurama was taking on. Hashirama's best Mokuton is Shinsuusenju, lets not wank it to make it better than it actually is.

Rikudo Chakra threw Sasuke's PS on a level where it'd shitstomp EMS Madara and Kurama.
Rikudo Chakra threw Kakashi on a level where he could fight against and injure Kaguya.

Lets not wank and try our hardest to put Hashirama on that level.




Lol. He didn't unlock their past incarnates chakra.

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This is why you have to read the manga King Moron. So you don't say stupid shit on this thread.


Lol, what the fuck? That isn't even Susanoo let alone Itachi's Susanoo. Like I said, read the damn manga.,


Nope. He got Rikudo's Chakra, from him. Him unlocking Indra's chakra in the process is nothing but a theory.



That's why the Sharingan is unlocked, that's not why the Rinnegan is unlocked. We've been told why the Rinnegan unlocks. I do know it, you just have no idea what the hell you are talking about.

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Yes, by Rikudo's Chakra. That simple.



Irrelevant. When you have evidence that it was because he was a Previous Jin, even though it was shown and stated he could do that because he took some of Madara's power, then we can talk. If it was because of his previous Jin status, then he wouldn't need to take any power from Madara.

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All I did was add mode at the end. But then again, look who I'm talking to. Not surprised.


He doesn't have Ashura's Chakra Avatar. He has his own chakra avatar that looks similar.


He got Rikudo's Chakra, as the manga stated, which let him get Rikudo Senjutsu.


Then I'll ignore it since having Mokuton doesn't put him above anyone, its what he can do with it.



A normal unlocking of the Rinnegan you mean. You have zero evidence that he only has it one eye because Hagoromo only gave it to him in one eye. Manga shows and states that he gave away all of his chakra.

I'm waiting for manga scans of this idiotic nonsense you are repeating.


Except everything I said is from the manga. You get insulted when you decide to act like a little bitch. Which is what you are doing. You started with the snarky reply to my first post, so don't get butthurt when I'm not polite back.


Constantly wanking Hashirama.

Says I'm a fapboy.

Lol.

Alright time to make it simple. And I see why my first post came out as a "snarky" or an "Attacking" post, for that i apologize. Now i'm not going to counter word for word. But simply going to present you to a more detailed argument that goes against alot of what you are saying.

Difference between Ashura/Indra/Rikudou's chakra:

Understanding of your argument, and how you come off to me:

From your context or your point of view. Senju and uchiha descendents don't have the same chakra as Ashura and Indra, because their chakra transmigrates.... But you state that both of them have Rikudou's chakra, similar to how Naruto and Sasuke have his chakra.

My point on this:

However that in itself makes 0 sense. How can you say their chakra is the same as Rikudou's despite Rikudou living through chakra on his own, while his sons are also going on. (though you may provide a counter that they can have sperate chakras but still rikudou can have both. But that logic can be kind of applied to the Senju/Uchiha descendents, due t

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Furthermore, the Sage mentions of chakra of Ashura's body, not "he unlocked my powers". :

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So to claim it is the same, and to say it is not the same for others.. does not make any sense. We know all individuals have their own "unique chakra". However that chakra was still came from the juubi, in essence they do have the same chakra as Ashura and Indra. Hence the Senju possess high amounts of chakra, and the Uchiha are able to unlock the Sharingan.



Ashura's/Indra's/Rikudou's Powers:

Your argument and how i am understanding it from you:

Sasuke and Naruto attained their powers of Ashura and Indra from getting this "yin and yang" chakra from the rikudou. And thus Ashura and Indra's abilities are from rikudou's chakra.


My point:

Ashura's chakra ability = Gojuu dama and the 9-tails looking Chakra avatar. That is special to Ashura alone. Nor can you or anyone else say Rikudou possesses that.. he does not.

Indra's chakra ability = The PS Sasuke has and the PS Indra had. That is an ability special to Indra alone, not Rikudou. Rikudou does not possess a Perfect Susanoo (unless you are willing to provide scans where its stated or shown or hell hinted at.)

Rikudou's chakra ability = Senjutsu of rikudou (chakra of the juubi itself which is made entirely of nature chakra), and Rinnegan.


Unlocking Indra and Ashura's chakra:

Your point from my perspective:

Rikudou gave them the chakra and then NAruto and Sasuke unlocked their powers. And thus the Ashura and Indra's powers are/belong to Rikudou himself. Because Obito gained the Gojubombs from getting the Juubi's chakra , which madara referred to as "sage mode".

My point:

- What Naruto and Sasuke did was unlock Ashura (Chakra avatar Naruto right now has) and Indra's chakra (The PS Sasuke has). Because they were the first ones to realize out of the all incarnations through rikudou of course.. that they possess their power.

- You seem to think on this topic as that they are rikudou's abilities given to them through him giving them the chakra.. no. THEY ALREADY POSSESSED ASHURA AND INDRA'S CHAKRAS... Thus when they got the senjutsu from rikudou and Rikudou's rinnegan.. it only powered up ashura's and Indra's chakras they already had inside of them.. SO no... Sasuke's new PS is not from Rikudou, it is powered by rikudou's and Indra's chakra however.

- As for Obito, Obito was the Juubi's jinchuriki and automatically being in "Sage mode". Something i have stated long time ago, that Juubi's jin doesn't need a sage mode, he/she is already made/filled with Nature chakra (shown when naruto tried to sense the juubi's chakra). And thus he had already establish a connection with the juubi's chakra... (its like learning a new jutsu for the first time.. and then being able to do it faster the next time.. )




CHAKRA DIFFERENCES:

Your point:

All of Rikudou's chakra is the same. Only difference is that its divided into yin and yang. And you also believe that Sharingan's unlocking has nothing to do with the Rinnegan unlocking.


My point:

- Sharingan's unlocking gives us inner depth on how Sharingan related eyes are unlocked. A special chakra is opened from their brains and changes the image of their eye and unlocking more abilities. How is rinnegan not the same way? When Ashura and Indra's chakra mix, they create a mix of chakra and unlocking a newer special chakra in their brain.. and thus turning it into the rinnegan. ( Flaw in your argument is that, you are one of those people at the moment.. that would say "oh sharingan is made when an uchiha just starts getting more hatred. Rikudou didn't go indepth into the matter like Tobirama did. Who told us how the new eyes are unlocked. )

- You state of him giving Naruto and Sasuke, yin and yang chakras... but never show where it states its yin and yang.. Because Yin and Yang are required to make any sort of chakra for ninjutsu. But you seem to want me to give scans..



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Whatever you say will merely be speculation...but a hint of their powers was shown (the Susano'o and the chakra avatar)....and the Susano'o was enoromous. The fact that being Indra and Ashura reincarnations makes the characters portrayed (or maybe perceived by me) as powerful, is enough for me to testify of their powers.

His suanoo is the same size as Madara's and Sasuke's.

And Hashirama and MAdara's never unlocked the powers of ashura and indra.. they were powerful using their own chakra.

All bloodlines came from the Shinju which Kaguya later took control and gained identical ability. When she summoned the Gudou Dama Black Zetsu stated it was combination of all elements. Until Black Zetsu told that only proper analysis about it was given by 3rd Hokage and he said it was at least 4 different element. But when Black Zetsu said that it became a known fact. Gudou Dama is combination of all 5 elements. So basically Naruto is already using Mokuton which is combining Water and Earth. At another perspective he is combining mokuton with Raiton,Katon and Doton. We saw Ashura used Gudou Dama against Indra when he summoned his Avatar. So that means he has the ability to perform Mokuton at least on Hashirama's level if not better. Did he ever used it in his life or not, like i said above he is only a character that is mentioned couple times for the sake of plot. But Mokuton and all bloodlines are avaible to all reincarnations of Ashura including Naruto.

And about the avatar which Hashirama can't use. Well obviously Ashura was jinjuuriki. He most likely had chakras of all 9 bijuus the way Naruto had except Kyuubi. Since he is the nice and cooperative guy.Hashirama could use the Avatar if he were to receive chakra from 9 bijuus. It requires the cooperation of the bijuus.

Sadly no. Naruto is not using Mokuton. He possesses an ability that already combines the elements together. Furthermore, Naruto has the chakra from Rikudou himself.. and also the chakra of Ashura he already had...


Obito's gojuu-dama =/= Kaguya's.


Mokuton is something special in Hashirama's genes...Has nothing to do with Ashura's chakra.... And no not all bloodline limits are avalaible to Ashura's descendents.. Only person who has that is KAguya herself.. not even Rikudou can acess all bloodlines.


Rikudou cannot do jinton... sure he has the Gojuu-dama.. but he cannot do a jinton.