Orochimaru takes the 1vs1 gauntlet.

Haizaki

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Cursed Seal chakra wasn't a part of Genjutsu simply because Genjutsu Sasuke used on Orochimaru was noted to be the same thing Itachi had used on him during their encounter. Which was a type of Kanashibari no Genjutsu - something that doesn't alter the actions taken at all. Sasuke used combination of Senjutsu chakra and Sharingan - manga fact. Sharingan Genjutsu alone had no effect.

Why are you still arguing this even when it was clearly said? Everything was part of the Genjutsu.

Once again, it was a Genjutsu...The cursed seal being used while in the Genjutsu doesn't matter because from the very start which was here (Top left) Sasuke didn't use the cursed seal neither did we see Senjutsu until after he already casted the Genjutsu. Which Orochimaru fell for.

If we're to go by what you said, you'll be wrong because this Senjutsu was shown with no Genjutsu being used as of when it was shown. You're claiming Orochimaru resisted the Genjutsu and then Sasuke used Senjutsu to enhance it. Clearly false.. If Orochimaru broke through the Genjutsu, Sasuke won't be able to use Senjutsu to enhance it because it was already broken. That's why Sasuke said "Before these eyes" Nothing was said or implied that Senjutsu enhanced his Genjutsu. You can't use Senjutsu to enhance illusions Lol.
 

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Why are you still arguing this even when it was clearly said? Everything was part of the Genjutsu.

Once again, it was a Genjutsu...The cursed seal being used while in the Genjutsu doesn't matter because from the very start which was here (Top left) Sasuke didn't use the cursed seal neither did we see Senjutsu until after he already casted the Genjutsu. Which Orochimaru fell for.

If we're to go by what you said, you'll be wrong because this Senjutsu was shown with no Genjutsu being used as of when it was shown. You're claiming Orochimaru resisted the Genjutsu and then Sasuke used Senjutsu to enhance it. Clearly false.. If Orochimaru broke through the Genjutsu, Sasuke won't be able to use Senjutsu to enhance it because it was already broken. That's why Sasuke said "Before these eyes" Nothing was said or implied that Senjutsu enhanced his Genjutsu. You can't use Senjutsu to enhance illusions Lol.

I never said Orochimaru was beaten by Senjutsu chakra and Sharingan GENJUTSU. I said it was Senjutsu chakra and Sharingan combo. You're acting as if illusions are the only thing Sharingan is capable of.
 

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Sharingan genjutsu still oneshots Orochimaru, even at this point of the manga. The Senju DNA isn't giving him any resistance to it, otherwise ninjas like Yamato or Tsunade- who also have Senju DNA- would be somewhat resistant as well.
 

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Why are you still arguing this even when it was clearly said? Everything was part of the Genjutsu.

Once again, it was a Genjutsu...The cursed seal being used while in the Genjutsu doesn't matter because from the very start which was here (Top left) Sasuke didn't use the cursed seal neither did we see Senjutsu until after he already casted the Genjutsu. Which Orochimaru fell for.

If we're to go by what you said, you'll be wrong because this Senjutsu was shown with no Genjutsu being used as of when it was shown. You're claiming Orochimaru resisted the Genjutsu and then Sasuke used Senjutsu to enhance it. Clearly false.. If Orochimaru broke through the Genjutsu, Sasuke won't be able to use Senjutsu to enhance it because it was already broken. That's why Sasuke said "Before these eyes" Nothing was said or implied that Senjutsu enhanced his Genjutsu. You can't use Senjutsu to enhance illusions Lol.

Ninjustu, Taijustu and Genjustu are all stated to be enhanced by senjustu.

Shikamaru broke Tayuya's sound genjustu by breaking his finger. Itachi and Sasuke to break Kabuto's senjustu enhanced genjustu.

But I agree with everything else you said.
 
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Ninjustu, Taijustu and Genjustu are all stated to be enhanced by senjustu.

Shikamaru broke Tayuya's sound genjustu by breaking his finger. Itachi and Sasuke to break Kabuto's senjustu enhanced genjustu.

But I agree with everything else you said.

Lol oh clearly forgot hahah.

Still though, there's no proof of Sasuke using Senjutsu alongside that Genjutsu given the fact he wasn't in his CM state when he casted the Genjutsu.
 

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1. Tsunade.
2. Jiraya.
3. A.
4. War Arc Gaara.
5. Danzo.
6. 7th gate Gai.
7. Kisame.
8. Trollkage.
9. Minato.
10. Muu.
11. Itachi.

@bold: He wins.

Note - even though i believe he can use SM properly now, i didn't count with it for lack of confirmation on the manga's behalf.
 
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Stops at Gaara.
 

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Just a question for people who are knowledgeable on Orochimaru; does he still bleed? If he does than he is broken af, but I would like proof to demonstrate his Zetsu body's ability to bleed.
 

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Just a question for people who are knowledgeable on Orochimaru; does he still bleed? If he does than he is broken af, but I would like proof to demonstrate his Zetsu body's ability to bleed.

His 'human' shell shouldn't bleed since it's made out of a White Zetsu. I don't recl WZ having blood. But Orochimaru can easily release from his dimension a small white snake that his True Form is made of to get some blood if needed.
 

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His 'human' shell shouldn't bleed since it's made out of a White Zetsu. I don't recl WZ having blood. But Orochimaru can easily release from his dimension a small white snake that his True Form is made of to get some blood if needed.

Oh, I see. And I didn't mean for summons, I meant if Ay attempted to blitz him, he could purposely be caught in order to let the poison evaporate on Ay's hand, which in turn would end the fight rather easily. Though that would make Oro a little to broken since he can reform via snakes and Zetsu, thus making the entire location a poisonous field.
 

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It can still be killed with a few punches.
Lmao, no. It survived being tri-sected, with ease, and you think Tsunade kills? Even though, time after time, he boasted about physical attacks being ineffective? Bye.
 
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I never said Orochimaru was beaten by Senjutsu chakra and Sharingan GENJUTSU. I said it was Senjutsu chakra and Sharingan combo. You're acting as if illusions are the only thing Sharingan is capable of.

Once again, it was a Genjutsu. There's nothing like "Senjutsu enhanced it" when we saw from the start that Senjutsu wasn't used. It's either the Genjutsu was first used here or here and Senjutsu wasn't used while it was shown. Not at all...it was only shown while in the Genjutsu..So there's nothing at all indicating that it was Senjutsu enhanced.

Oro says "This is" and next, Sasuke says the same thing Itachi said when he put Oro in a Genjutsu...Notice how Oro only notes that when he sees the Senjutsu blackness eroding which indicates that it was indeed in the Genjutsu ..Not to mention, if Senjutsu was used to enhance it, I don't know why Sasuke won't be in his CM state.
 

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Gemjutsu isn't even a factor in this fight with his new knowledge! The only questionable opponents are Muu, Gaara, and Minato. Everyone else is more so Oru's victory mid diff with a few being high. But he clearly clears!
 

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Gemjutsu isn't even a factor in this fight with his new knowledge! The only questionable opponents are Muu, Gaara, and Minato. Everyone else is more so Oru's victory mid diff with a few being high. But he clearly clears!

Gai beats him though :cool:
 
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