Earth + Water + Yang = Mokuton

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To sum it up, you said Earth + Water + Yang = Mokuton. Kakashi has earth and water affinity. He also got Yang when Naruto gave him Kurama chakra. Why wasn't he able to use Mokuton? I mean he got to use Perfect Susanoo two seconds after getting double MS.

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[SuperChief]

To sum it up, you said Earth + Water + Yang = Mokuton. Kakashi has earth and water affinity. He also got Yang when Naruto gave him Kurama chakra. Why wasn't he able to use Mokuton? I mean he got to use Perfect Susanoo two seconds after getting double MS.

Kakashi's affinity is lightning. He can use earth and water.

Naruto's Kurama cloak wouldn't give him a Yang affinity either.

Obito was powering the Susanoo, not Kakashi.

 

[Migster257]

Kakashi's affinity is lightning. He can use earth and water.

Naruto's Kurama cloak wouldn't give him a Yang affinity either.

Obito was powering the Susanoo, not Kakashi.

If you can use two other elements, they are also your affinity. If that wasn't the case, everyone should just be able to spam all 5 elements.

Why wouldn't Kurama cloak give him Yang chakra? Does it have to come from "within"?

Obito and Kakashi were powering the Susanoo, but that's irrelevant to your thread.

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[SuperChief]

If you can use two other elements, they are also your affinity. If that wasn't the case, everyone should just be able to spam all 5 elements.

Why wouldn't Kurama cloak give him Yang chakra? Does it have to come from "within"?

Obito and Kakashi were powering the Susanoo, but that's irrelevant to your thread.

That's now how that works. Mokuton requires an affinity for both earth and water. Kakashi's affinity is lightning, but he can use earth and water.

Even if a cloak from Kurama gave Yang chakra, which is a massive assumption on your part, that still wouldn't manifest Mokuton.

You're the one who brought up Susanoo.

 

[Migster257]

That's now how that works. Mokuton requires an affinity for both earth and water. Kakashi's affinity is lightning, but he can use earth and water.

Even if a cloak from Kurama gave Yang chakra, which is a massive assumption on your part, that still wouldn't manifest Mokuton.

You're the one who brought up Susanoo.

So, you're saying people can just learn an element or what? This is why I don't get it. If people have certain affinities for elements, that should be the only element they are able to use. Why would Kakashi's affinity be only lightning, and still be able to use two other elements, but is unable to use another two? Is he not compatible with wind and fire, but is compatible with water and earth? Does this not mean these elements are also his affinity if that was the case?

It's not necessarily a massive assumption. I based it off of your thread which said Naruto got Yang from Kurama's chakra.

I mentioned it in case you might say something along the lines of, "Even if he had Mokuton, he wouldn't be able to use it right away."

 

[SuperChief]

So, you're saying people can just learn an element or what? This is why I don't get it. If people have certain affinities for elements, that should be the only element they are able to use. Why would Kakashi's affinity be only lightning, and still be able to use two other elements, but is unable to use another two? Is he not compatible with wind and fire, but is compatible with water and earth? Does this not mean these elements are also his affinity if that was the case?

It's not necessarily a massive assumption. I based it off of your thread which said Naruto got Yang from Kurama's chakra.

I mentioned it in case you might say something along the lines of, "Even if he had Mokuton, he wouldn't be able to use it right away."

Anyone can use all nature types that aren't restricted to Kekkei Genkai, however an affinity is the element that comes naturally. e.g. Jiraiya has shown earth and fire jutsu, but that doesn't mean he can use Lava Release, because he only has an affinity for one of those two elements.

Naruto handed out cloaks that were attuned to the receiver's chakra.

OK.

 

[Migster257]

Anyone can use all nature types that aren't restricted to Kekkei Genkai, however an affinity is the element that comes naturally. e.g. Jiraiya has shown earth and fire jutsu, but that doesn't mean he can use Lava Release, because he only has an affinity for one of those two elements.

Naruto handed out cloaks that were attuned to the receiver's chakra.

OK.

That's what I'm asking. If everyone can use all nature types that aren't KKG, why hasn't Kakashi shown any wind/fire (canonically) Jutsu? You're not telling me that a genius just chose not to? Minato didn't do it, Tobirama didn't do it, Minato didn't do it, Itachi didn't learn them all either. Why would they not? It benefits them greatly.

Ok.

 

[SuperChief]

That's what I'm asking. If everyone can use all nature types that aren't KKG, why hasn't Kakashi shown any wind/fire (canonically) Jutsu? You're not telling me that a genius just chose not to? Minato didn't do it, Tobirama didn't do it, Minato didn't do it, Itachi didn't learn them all either. Why would they not? It benefits them greatly.

Ok.

Ask Kishimoto. Kakashi probably has a jutsu of every basic nature type, he just hasn't shown it for whatever reason. There are other fighting styles out there that are simply a better match for characters than elemental ninjutsu, e.g. Minato who uses T/S jutsu. Gai uses purely taijutsu. That's just how those characters roll.

 

[TrollingSage]

That's what I'm asking. If everyone can use all nature types that aren't KKG, why hasn't Kakashi shown any wind/fire (canonically) Jutsu? You're not telling me that a genius just chose not to? Minato didn't do it, Tobirama didn't do it, Minato didn't do it, Itachi didn't learn them all either. Why would they not? It benefits them greatly.

Ok.

Uhm you're getting something wrong. It's extremely difficult to master more than 2 elements, let alone all 5. Hiruzen and Nagato are the only ones confirmed to have done it. Also having 2 elements doesnt mean you can mix them. For example Jiraiya has fire and earth but that doesnt mean he can mix them to create lava release. Mixing elements to create a new element is KKG . You cant simply learn it.

 

[Migster257]

Ask Kishimoto. Kakashi probably has a jutsu of every basic nature type, he just hasn't shown it for whatever reason. There are other fighting styles out there that are simply a better match for characters than elemental ninjutsu, e.g. Minato who uses T/S jutsu. Gai uses purely taijutsu. That's just how those characters roll.

I know there are multiple fighting styles out there, but again, this fits Kakashi. Kakashi's most well-known for his versatility, intelligence, and skill at actually being a shinobi. (As opposed to being a Super Saiyan that goes boom) Learning wind and more fire style Jutsu would add to his arsenal. (Now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure plot stopped him from learning FTG)

Uhm you're getting something wrong. It's extremely difficult to master more than 2 elements, let alone all 5. Hiruzen and Nagato are the only ones confirmed to have done it. Also having 2 elements doesnt mean you can mix them. For example Jiraiya has fire and earth but that doesnt mean he can mix them to create lava release. Mixing elements to create a new element is KKG . You cant simply learn it.

Fair enough about mixing elements. I still find it hard to believe that someone like Kakashi would not be able to master all 5 elements. This is the same guy that mastered the Sharingan without being an Uchiha, used Perfect Susanoo two seconds after getting double MS, made Raikiri, and is a renowned genius across the shinobi world. The same goes for someone like Minato. Tobirama probably only had time to master his elemental affinities because of the war so... Itachi, on the other hand, had an incredibly amount of time to try and master at least another element.

 

[Xāvî1]

I like this theory

 

[Darkakatsuki]

For the record, I don't think Naruto has Mokuton. That's not the point of this thread, I'm not trying to hype up Naruto. He has enough abilities as it is. This is just my attempt at explaining how Mokuton works.

No one is saying you are trying to hype up Naruto, but you can't give credit to your theory and then try to play down the Naruto-mokuton theory when your theory, whether intentionally or not, supports it. That's called hypocrisy, double-standards, self-contradiction, or something along those lines.

 

[Darkakatsuki]

All Senju have yang power.

Their yang is not as strong as Ashura's and more importantly, Hashirama is the only Senju we know of to have both earth and water affinities. Simply having yang doesn't mean you can use mokuton, you'd still need the earth and water affinities.

 

[Darkakatsuki]

Technically all life is created from Yin and Yang which is also part of all jutsu.

The Senju in particular, however, inherited Yang in the context of strong "bodies." The same goes for the Uzumaki clan, who have exceptional life force and stamina. However, they don't possess Yang Release the same way Hashirama, Madara, Obito, and Danzō do/did.

Kushina and Karin beg to differ, ie, Chakra Chains that can pawn all bijuu neg diff and even Shinjusenju.

 

[Darkakatsuki]

Re: Earth Water Yang = Mokuton

So, you're saying people can just learn an element or what? This is why I don't get it. If people have certain affinities for elements, that should be the only element they are able to use. Why would Kakashi's affinity be only lightning, and still be able to use two other elements, but is unable to use another two? Is he not compatible with wind and fire, but is compatible with water and earth? Does this not mean these elements are also his affinity if that was the case?

It's not necessarily a massive assumption. I based it off of your thread which said Naruto got Yang from Kurama's chakra.

I mentioned it in case you might say something along the lines of, "Even if he had Mokuton, he wouldn't be able to use it right away."

You're wrong. You don't seem to understand the meaning of the word 'affinity' in the Naruto context. Affinity is means the that you were BORN with the ability to use this element. For example, if no one taught you any type of elemental affinity or how they work until you were fifteen, and then someone gave you chakra paper and told you to channel chakra into it, your affinity is the element that the paper will show. For instance, when Naruto did it, the paper was sliced in half, showing that he had a wind affinity. Same for Kakashi, the paper would have crumpled up when he channelled chakra into it for the first time. It's almost like a kekkei genkei in the sense that it's an 'innate' ability that you have at birth. Kakashi was not born with earth and water, he copied those with the sharingan and still would have had to train hard to master the element. Bare in mind if you train hard and master said element, it will NEVER be as strong as the element you are naturally affiliated with.

 

[Darkakatsuki]

Re: Earth Water Yang = Mokuton

That's what I'm asking. If everyone can use all nature types that aren't KKG, why hasn't Kakashi shown any wind/fire (canonically) Jutsu? You're not telling me that a genius just chose not to? Minato didn't do it, Tobirama didn't do it, Minato didn't do it, Itachi didn't learn them all either. Why would they not? It benefits them greatly.

Ok.

Probably because it would take a ridiculous amount of time to master all those elements. There's a reason all the guys who used all five are as old as dirt (Hiruzen, Kakuzu, and that immortal filler girl, Fuka), with the exception of rinnegan user ofcourse (Nagato mastered them at age ten, cause he actually had an affinity for all of them). Kakashi said that mastering wind element would have taken Naruto at least three years without shadow clone training, and that was his affinity. Imagine trying to learn an element outside your affinity? Also, I imagine that it might be near impossible to learn an element that opposes your own, not impossible since Hiruzen did it but very difficult. What I mean is, like a water user like Suigetsu, Mangetsu, and Kisame trying to learn raiton. A wind user like Naruto trying to learn fire release, etc etc. Ninja techniques take alot of time to master and even the masters don't know every jutsu from their category, for instance, can Danzo use rasenshuriken? No. Can Mei use great water shark jutsu? Etc etc. It's actually quite silly in my opinion to try and learn every element, you'll become what they call a jack of all trades but master of none. In other words, at the end of the day, you won't be that remarkable, kinda like how most of the fanbase don't think much of Kakuzu and Hiruzen.

 

[Vapid]

By your logic, Nagato and Sasuke both had/have the potential to use Mokuton, as Rinnegan users have the innate potential to use Yin, Yang and Yin-Yang Release coupled with the five elemental chakra nature transformations (e.g., Doton and Suiton).

Not saying you're wrong (I agree); just saying that by your logic, the Rinnegan potentially → Mokuton.

 

[Megatolium]

Well Mokuton is a Kekkei Genkai, an ability restricted to blood.

All what Yang really does is empower techniques that involve any life force of a sort.

 

[bashkim]

It makes sense your theory nice job.