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i guess you'll never understand how suspense works. The scene was done that way to make the reader guess as to whether or not Sasuke made it through or not, hence why he wasn't seen until Sakura was falling. That was the whole point of the panel view zooming out as she was falling: to show Sasuke made it through. Why else was Sasuke seen making a mad dash for the hole? If he could dimension skip, there would've been no point at all in Kishimoto bringing Obito back into the picture.

Obito showed him the way. The 1st dimension is the only method of escaping. Secondly FTG and Sasukes Rinne tech both have their ups and downs. Sasukes might not be as spammable but allowed him to swap God tier ninjas without relying on markings or seals. FTg cannot be surperior and Sasukes ability allows him to do things FTG are unable to. Thirdly FTG has been used for years. Sasukes technique can only get better over time.
 

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Sasuke was not in the panel. Sasuke states that he can, if they are within range. Anyhow, I am tired of this debate.
must be because you don't know what you're talking about. Oh well.
 

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they both have their pros and cons over each other.
 

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=WalksInShadows;16523176]That statement was clearly me leading into the flaws of Sasuke's jutsu. What makes it even worse is that you are telling a bold faced lie, because in you clearly say:You clearly point out the use of seals, markings, the user having to place the mark, and Madara being seen countering FTG, all while making Sasuke's jutsu out to be better. You also go on to talk about putting things in perspective and not making biased arguments, but the whole point of your post was to denigrate FTG in the process of putting Sasuke's jutsu on a pedal as if it had no flaws. Therefore, you yourself lacked perspective while saying the person you responded to needed to have some.

not sure if serious. the thread topic is ftg being better than sasukes jutsu because of the cooldown and disadvantages with his jutsu was confirmed to have, people were agreeing saying ftg is clearly superior, then a poster listed all sasukes jutsus disadvantages while doing none for ftg. i didnt list the weakness of sasukes jutsu because well lets see the whole damn thread already knows and it is always being brought up, why should i repeat something that everyone in the thread is saying? i listed its advantages so that people wont lose perspective and completely brand his jutsu has being useless, no one was listing ftgs weakness so i decided to bring it up, next time read a post properly before jumping the gun. saying am lying because of a fictional work smh its not so serious.

not that it's much of a difference, but he used the sword to do that along with the speed Madara was already coming at him with when he attempted to take his eye. I'm not disputing that Madara got hit, only that he didn't get struck to the lvl in which ppl exaggerate.
whether or not madara was coming at him with speed does not change the fact of what happened, what are you reaching for here?? are you trying to take away his feat? you are right its not much of a difference so stating this is quite pointless. madara rushed at him and sasuke reacted, he was able to react to madara, thats even impressive in the first place. he was struck clean in his chest, like what he did to sasuke previously, if he didnt have juubi regenration in him am pretty sure it would be a fatal hit, replace madara with minato for example and he would be dead so yes he was struck clean.

this is all kinds of wrong, because what Naruto and Sasuke hit was a clone.
fail, it was the real madara they hit but he quickly swapped himself with his clone so the clone ended up taking the full damage.
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it is in fact countering it easily, because he didn't expect it but he was still able to react to it, otherwise he would've got sealed up. Madara was never hit, because Sasuke can clearly be seen saying Madara used a clone to take that shot in his place.
he was "hit" but due to his regenerative abilities he was able to quickly recover and then counter it with his clone, i dunno about you but that is not countering easily. if madara had prevented them from hitting him then you would have had a point. saying someone who was hit but quickly recovered countered the jutsu easily does not make a shred of sense. and you are wrong, they hit the real madara but he switched with his clone. look at the scans above. the madara their jutsu landed on was the real madara hence why he was completely shocked, lets not deny the manga now.

and Sasuke can't teleport any further than a set distance and has a cd. The fact that FTG can be spammed and has no distance limits in and of itself makes it better.
yes he has a set distance but in that distance he can do whateva he wants. ftg can only be spammed once the markings are set around, the user needs to place them, it is limited to those markings. also the user needs to get a marking close to the opponent before it can be effective, sasuke doesnt need to. sasuke has a great footspeed so he can easily get in range and perform his jutsu, afterall he did it to madara so his distance limit can be countered by him.
so no ftg is not better

the only problem is that Ei guessed wrong because Minato teleporting from kunai to kunai was misdirection.
urrm ok, dont see how this counters my point, doesnt change the fact that ay already figured it out.

if Black Zetsu was able to counter it, then the window is definitely not that small.
wat da hell? when did bz counter it? what are you talking about?? it was kaguyas hair that grabbed him so no it wasnt bz but kaguya. the window is not small yet madara could not counter and was getting hit seems legit.

Madara only got hit once, and that was before Madara figured out how it worked. Stop exaggerating that tech as if Madara had no chance whatsover against it, it's downright pitiful.
fail, he got and , that is better than ftg which was not enough for its users to hit madara.and then madara fled, in the next scan you can see him fleeing but sasuke still sliced him. bold. you are not making any sense, he couldnt counter it, he was hit without realizing what was up or being able to react, at that time madara had no counter to the jutsu so he was a disadvantage, if he could counter it then he wouldnt run away. in case you dont know he was gonna take sasukes rinnegan but after getting hit he later changed his mind because he knew it would not be possible. am not exaggerating anything, you dont even know what you talking about, the only pitiful thing here are your poor arguments

the Sasuke wank is strong in you, because you conveniently forgot that Madara's Rinnegan powers were limited with one eye on top of Naruto being there as well and having the senjutsu to sense the clones.
yet he was gonna take them on even with that one eye but after seeing how the battle was not going in his favour(mostly due to sasukes jutsu) he changed his mind, you dont make sense at all. sasuke can also see the clones i like how you left that part out.

Minato was already at a disadvantage seeing as though Madara was familiar with FTG because Tobirama was known for using it during their day. On the other hand, he was going in the fight against Sasuke and Naruto having to figure out how that particular jutsu worked because he never saw it before. It's no excuse, that's just how it is. I don't recall Sasuke automatically knowing Madara was using a clone the first time Madara used it against him.
please, stop giving excuses. ive seen a lot of people using that horrible and poor excuse, madara may know about ftg but he still has to counter it. its one thing to know about a jutsu however its another thing to have the ability to counter said jutsu. his reactions were just too fast for minato hence he wasnt bothered when the latter showed up to strike him. minato could not catch him off guard simple. madara saw the kunai hence already knew what was up, its just the general flaw with ftg, if one spots the markings he can prepare his counter adeqately granted he is fast enough, it was the same with ay but unfortunately minato teleported to bee. sasuke has no such problems, when he uses the jutsu the opponent is taken unawares and is practically almost impossible to counter before he hits you. madara getting hit by sasukes jutsu was due more to the nature of how his jutsu operates(no prior markings or anything leaving no window for a possible counter, he just simply moves you to his attack without you knowing), in order words madara was taken off guard. ftg failing and sasuke suceeding shows the effectiveness of both jutsus against superior opponents simple.
 
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FTG= better distance, versatility, escape, protection, speed of use, range of use,

Rinegan = better combat ability (depends on the opponent)
 

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SuperChief;16523644]We've seen Sasuke switch with his sword and Sakura's vest. I'd say there's a good chance it requires a substitution in certain circumstances.
no, hes also used to dodge madaras attack and move to naruto back and move an opponent. we cant jump to conclusions yet.

I didn't say FTG is flawless. If I were biased towards FTG, I wouldn't have said Kamui is better. Unless you think I'm biased against Sasuke for whatever reason?
you listed all its advantages and left out its disadvantage, thats biased to me.

FTG is a known quantity to Madara. The technique killed his brother and he knows Tobirama very well. There was no element of surprise when Minato tried to rush him - which, I remind you, was a straightforward distraction attempt and not a well prepared or thought out plan.
so? is this supposed to be an excuse or anything? he still has to be able to counter it whether he knows about it or not.

As for Sasuke, you can delude yourself into thinking Madara was taking him seriously, but that wasn't the case. Madara was much more concerned with getting his second eye than fighting. He also figured out the technique very quickly. Sasuke didn't get another attempt to use it after that.
stop spewing bullshit, the rubbish spewed when people want to downplay what sasuke did. he didnt take him seriously in the fight thats why he , seems like you are the one who is deluded. he was gonna fight them without his other eye but with the way the battle was going, he changed his mind. sasuke didnt use it again because madara came out with 4 limbos, distracted them with ct and quickly initiated IT.

Having to plant the seals and markings beforehand/during battle can be problematic, but it allows Minato have several spots to choose from, and we already know that he can use just show up and scatter a barrage of kunai to set himself up.
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That, and no cool down period, already makes it vastly superior to Sasuke's technique.
its still limited to were his marking, he cant teleport freely without a prior marking, he needs to mark the opponent or mark another user before he can use swapping but sasuke can do as he wants within range, can swap by himself in exchange for a cooldown. he can do more than more minato can do when the jutsu is available to him.
 

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has cooldown when needed the most.. what a let down
 

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really hope kishi improves on sasukes jutsu though, those restrictions are annoying, cooldown was messed up as hell. needs to show more love to sasuke
 

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not sure if serious. the thread topic is ftg being better than sasukes jutsu because of th cooldown and disadvantages with his jutsu was confirmed to have, people were agreeing saying ftg is clearly superior, then a poster listed all sasukes jutsus disadvantages while doing none for ftg.
i know what the thread is about, my post was a direct reply to you accusing me of saying that you said Sasuke's jutsu was flawless *facepalm*

i didnt list the weakness of sasukes jutsu because well lets see the whole damn thread already knows and it is always being brought up, why should i repeat something that everyone in the thread is saying? i listed its advantages so that people wont lose perspective and completely brand his jutsu has being useless, no one was listing ftgs weakness so i decided to bring it up, next time read a post properly before jumping the gun. saying am lying because of a fictional work smh its not so serious.
you still made a direct effort in trying to make FTG look considerably less better than Sasuke's jutsu by only pointing out it's flaws and conveniently didn't do the same with Sasuke's while at the same time having the nerve to tell someone else to have perspective.

You don't get to do that and try to make your argument sound valid. That's not how it works. If you're going to be talking about having perspective in regards to comparing something/someone, cut that cake the same way for one that you do with the other. Otherwise, don't try to sugarcoat garbage and call it candy.


whether or not madara was coming at him with speed does not change the fact of what happened, what are you reaching for here?? are you trying to take away his feat?you are right its not much of a difference so stating this is quite pointless. madara rushed at him and sasuke reacted, he was able to react to madara, thats even impressive in the first place. he was struck clean in his chest, like what he did to sasuke previously, if he didnt have juubi regenration in him am pretty sure it would be a fatal hit, replace madara with minato for example and he would be dead so yes he was struck clean.
did you not see the part in my post where i said Madara was hit? Are you blind? Can you read English? The fact of the matter is, you're here making excuses going "if Madara didn't have the Juubi's regen powers he'd be dead :T_T:".Tough. If Kabuto wasn't around to heal Sasuke, he wouldn't have even been alive long enough to face Madara a third time, but you don't see me caterwauling about it. With all of your tough talk about someone making excuses, you're awfully full of them yourself. Just like everybody else that simply can't accept what has already been revealed over the course of the past several + chapters.



he was "hit" but due to his regenerative abilities he was able to quickly recover and then counter it with his clone, i dunno about you but that is not countering easily. if madara had prevented them from hitting him then you would have had a point. saying someone who was hit but quickly recovered countered the jutsu easily does not make a shred of sense. and you are wrong, they hit the real madara but he switched with his clone. look at the scans above. the madara their jutsu landed on was the real madara hence why he was completely shocked, lets not deny the manga now.
this, coming from the dude who can't accept the limits of Sasuke's jutsu? ok >.>


yes he has a set distance but in that distance he can do whateva he wants. ftg can only be spammed once the markings are set around, the user needs to place them, it is limited to those markings. also the user needs to get a marking close to the opponent before it can be effective, sasuke doesnt need to. sasuke has a great footspeed so he can easily get in range and perform his jutsu, afterall he did it to madara so his distance limit can be countered by him.
so no ftg is not better
being able to manipulate a very limited amount of space then suffer a cd does not make it better than a t/s technique that has a variety of uses, has no cd, and has no distance limit. Show the chapter, page, and panel where it is stated for absolute fact that Sasuke's is better. I bet you won't, because Kamui is the only one canon says is more advanced than FTG. Deal with it already.
urrm ok, dont see how this counters my point, doesnt change the fact that ay already figured it out.
i'll break it down in terms that hopefully you will understand: Ei thought he had Minato's pattern figured out only to find he didn't when Minato showed up behind Bee. If he figured it out, he wouldn't have been surprised as he was to see Minato where he did.


wat da hell? when did bz counter it? what are you talking about?? it was kaguya kaguyas hair that grabbed him so no it wasnt bz but kaguya. the window is not small yet madara could not counter and was getting hit seems legit.
who said anything about grabbing him? Black Zetsu was clearly seen moving out of the way when Sasuke shifted himself to that area.


fail, he got and , that is better than a jutsu which ftg which was not enough for its users to hit madara.and then madara fled, in the next scan you can see him fleeing but sasuke still sliced him. bold. you are not making any sense, he couldnt counter it, he was hit without realizing what was up or being able to react, at that time madara had no counter to the jutsu so he was a disadvantage, if he could counter it then he wouldnt run away. in case you dont know he was gonna take sasukes rinnegan but after getting hit he later changed his mind because he knew it would not be possible. am not exaggerating anything, you dont even know what you talking about, the only pitiful thing here are your poor arguments
1. the links are fail ones

2. If Madara couldn't counter it, then how come he was still up and about after that attempt? Je countered it. It doesn't matter in the least how it was done, the fact is, it happened. This is no different than how Deidara countered Sasuke's attempt to ambush him with a Chidori. The Sasuke wank is just too strong in you to just admit it already. You can't even cop to things that were basically confirmed in the latest chapter.

yet he was gonna take them on even with that one eye but after seeing how the battle was not going in his favour(mostly due to sasukes jutsu) he changed his mind, you dont make sense at all. sasuke can also see the clones i like how you left that part out.
i like how you interpreted my post as me conveniently leaving it out. Are you that desperate for Sasuke to get any kind of positive attention from somebody? Sasuke gets enough attention as it is from wankers, someone had to point other things that needed to be pointed out.


please, stop giving excuses. ive seen a lot of people using that horrible and poor excuse, madara may know about ftg but he still has to counter it.
call it an excuse all you want, but it doesn't change that fact. Clearly you are in need of reading the whole manga again, because prior knowledge about a jutsu along with having the tools/ability to counter it makes all the difference in a fight.
its one thing to know about a jutsu however its another thing to have the ability to counter said jutsu. his reactions were just too fast for minato hence he wasnt bothered when the latter showed up to strike him. minato could not catch him off guard simple.
*facepalm* that's because in part, he knows what FTG is used for: sneak atks. And it's been made fairly consistently obvious a number of occasions that it's near impossible to do so with him. With Madara already having prior knowledge of FTG and the ability to react to it, you're going to say it's making an excuse for Minato that he got handled by Madara the way he did?
sasuke has no such problems, when he uses the jutsu the opponent is taken unawares and is practically almost impossible to counter before he hits you.
madara getting hit by sasukes jutsu was due more to the nature of how his jutsu operates(no prior markings or anything leaving no window for a possible counter, he just simply moves you to his attack without you knowing), in order words madara was taken off guard. ftg failing and sasuke suceeding shows the effectiveness of both jutsus against superior opponents simple.
if Black Zetsu was able to react to it, that just goes to show how overrated that jutsu is, plain and simple. And the dude can't be any faster than Kakashi. It just boils down to whether or not the ppl wanking it wants to accept it and move forward with the rational ppl or not.
 

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why are your writing so big comment nobody will read it if to long

Madara should be knowing to use FLT

Madara, Minato FLT>Sasuke Eyes
 

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Alright lets see, a battle between an FTG user and Sasukes S/T,

Base Minato and Tobirama are no where near the top/god tier in the NV,
yet sasukes S/T jutsu enabled him to shit on JJ Madara, the same guy who shat on FTG with utmost ease,

FTG is better in terms of range, but in terms of combat and skill, Sasukes S/T jutsu is far superior to FTG


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Wrong.

Sasuke S/T needs to charge after use. That would be his downfall trying to fight against FTg
 

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=WalksInShadows;16525126]i know what the thread is about, my post was a direct reply to you accusing me of saying that you said Sasuke's jutsu was flawless *facepalm*
because i didnt say it was flawless

you still made a direct effort in trying to make FTG look considerably less better than Sasuke's jutsu by only pointing out it's flaws and conveniently didn't do the same with Sasuke's while at the same time having the nerve to tell someone else to have perspective.
not really, i simply listed the disadvantages and how sasukes jutsu tops it in that regard. we already know sasukes jutsu weakness because thats what th thread is about.

You don't get to do that and try to make your argument sound valid. That's not how it works. If you're going to be talking about having perspective in regards to comparing something/someone, cut that cake the same way for one that you do with the other. Otherwise, don't try to sugarcoat garbage and call it candy.
now you are just talking rubbish, blatant rubbish. all i did was list ftg disadvantage and show how sasukes jutsu has an edge over it, sasukes weakness is already known hence the thread. simple, dunno what you are blabbing over.

did you not see the part in my post where i said Madara was hit? Are you blind? Can you read English? The fact of the matter is, you're here making excuses going "if Madara didn't have the Juubi's regen powers he'd be dead :T_T:".Tough. If Kabuto wasn't around to heal Sasuke, he wouldn't have even been alive long enough to face Madara a third time, but you don't see me caterwauling about it. With all of your tough talk about someone making excuses, you're awfully full of them yourself. Just like everybody else that simply can't accept what has already been revealed over the course of the past several + chapters.
lol so saying madara has juubi regeneration(fact) which helped him tank that sword damage is making excuses? lol so dumb. he had his turso blown away by gai, but it didnt kill him why?? because of his regeneration, that gais attack would have killed anyone else so its not an excuse lol its simply a manga fact, put another person in madaras shoes then the sword hit would have been fatal like what happened to sasuke, its not rocket science, rather common sense, not my fault you cant accept fact. your example is retarded because sasuke was nearly dead, hes here because of an external source. btw what does that have to even do with what we were saying?? smh, your blabbing is non sensical.


this, coming from the dude who can't accept the limits of Sasuke's jutsu? ok >.>
dunno if you are trolling but not once did i mention sasuke jutsu not having limits, point out were i said so. dont bother because you wont find any quote like that from me, so now you feel stupid.

being able to manipulate a very limited amount of space then suffer a cd does not make it better than a t/s technique that has a variety of uses, has no cd, and has no distance limit. Show the chapter, page, and panel where it is stated for absolute fact that Sasuke's is better. I bet you won't, because Kamui is the only one canon says is more advanced than FTG. Deal with it already.
i'll break it down in terms that hopefully you will understand: Ei thought he had Minato's pattern figured out only to find he didn't when Minato showed up behind Bee. If he figured it out, he wouldn't have been surprised as he was to see Minato where he did.
in that limited range, he can do whatever he wants. against inferior opponents, sasuke only has to use it about once or twice and the job is done, it is only god tier opponents that can push him and expose his jutsus cooldown limit so dont mix up things. funny you are saying i should provide a panel were it says sasukes is better yet you are claming ftg is better and no panel stated it either, what a hypocrite. loll so because no one has said sasukes jutsu is superior to ftg that means ftg is superior??? so dumb, he only got it after receiving powerup from the sage, you act like he has always had the jutsu with him. the only people he has battled with it are madara and kaguya, none of the hokages have even seen it so your post reeks of failure. raikiri was stated to be able to cut through anything, by your logic it can cut through even gudoudama because of what was stated, you see how fail the logic is?.
no, ay clearly figured it out, he knew minato would teleport to a kunai so he prepared his attack but minato teleported to bee. doesnt change the fact that he still needs markings to be able to teleport, he needs to place those markings and one can figure it out.

who said anything about grabbing him? Black Zetsu was clearly seen moving out of the way when Sasuke shifted himself to that area.
no, he didnt move out of the way, sasuke teleported behind him and tried to attack but was grabbed by kaguyas hair.

1. the links are fail ones
so manga scan is fail?

2. If Madara couldn't counter it, then how come he was still up and about after that attempt? Je countered it. It doesn't matter in the least how it was done, the fact is, it happened. This is no different than how Deidara countered Sasuke's attempt to ambush him with a Chidori. The Sasuke wank is just too strong in you to just admit it already. You can't even cop to things that were basically confirmed in the latest chapter.
not sure if serious tbh. were did i say madara didnt counter it?? are you blind? you said he countered it easily same way he did ftg users but it wasnt easy as he was hit, he countered after getting hit so its not remotely the same as what he did to minato or tobirama were he countered them without getting a single scratch unlike what happened with sasuke. dont change the arguments
i didnt say he didnt counter it so only god knows what you are talking about. changing arguments because you are wrong? nice. you keep blabbering on about me wanking sasuke but you cant even post a decent counter to what am saying. just because sasukes jutsu was confirmed to have a cd doesnt mean its inferioir to ftg, not when it has its own advantages. "ftg is better than sasukes jutsu accept it, his jutsu has a cd", thats basically what you are saying. me not accepting doesnt mean am wanking sasuke. he has limits yes but so does ftg, not once did i deny its limits.


i like how you interpreted my post as me conveniently leaving it out. Are you that desperate for Sasuke to get any kind of positive attention from somebody? Sasuke gets enough attention as it is from wankers, someone had to point other things that needed to be pointed out
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because you didnt mention it so i decided to point it out. what a hypocrite, you accuse me firstly of making sasukes jutsu seem better than ftg by not mentioning its limits but then you state a post saying naruto could sense the clones and leaving out the part were sasuke can see them because accroding to you sasuke wankers always give him attention so no need to mention it right? so how is that different from me not stating the weakness of sasukes jutsu because everyone already knows it. you have the nerve to accuse me of it and then you go and do the same. smh

call it an excuse all you want, but it doesn't change that fact. Clearly you are in need of reading the whole manga again, because prior knowledge about a jutsu along with having the tools/ability to counter it makes all the difference in a fight. *facepalm* that's because in part, he knows what FTG is used for: sneak atks. And it's been made fairly consistently obvious a number of occasions that it's near impossible to do so with him. With Madara already having prior knowledge of FTG and the ability to react to it, you're going to say it's making an excuse for Minato that he got handled by Madara the way he did?

doesnt change the fact of what happened, doesnt change the fact that madara was able to spot the kunai hence he already knew what minato was upto which leads to the fact that it is part of a flaw of ftg. it couldnt catch madara off guard, as soon as one sees the kunai or marking the window of surprise is gone and granted he is fast enough he can counter it. madara countering it is part of the flaw of ftg, dont try and separate and sugar coat it. sasukes jutsu doesnt operate the same way hence he was sucessful in landing hits against madara, its one of the advantages it has over ftg, not needing seals or markings hence not giving your opponents a chance to counter.

if Black Zetsu was able to react to it, that just goes to show how overrated that jutsu is, plain and simple. And the dude can't be any faster than Kakashi. It just boils down to whether or not the ppl wanking it wants to accept it and move forward with the rational ppl or not.
black zetsu was was with kaguya and she was the one shown to grab sasuke as thats who sasuke was aiming for. so like ive always said, you dont make any sense. stating false things to prove a point? cool. incredible you are in a thread which ridicules sasukes jutsu and hypes up ftg not mentioning its weakness yet sasukes jutsu is the one which is overated. seems legit. you can stop spewing bs now.
 

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FTG needs preparation time, and the FTG that doesn't need prep only goes as fast as how much strength you put into the Kunai while you're throwing it (AKA how long it takes the Kunai to land wherever you threw it).
 

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What's Sasuke's counter to a large AOE? I mean his teleportation teleportation tech sure as hell isn't saving him.

Lets put it like this. Minato can do more and survive more with FTG than Sasuke can with his Rinnegan tech. #MANGAFACT
 

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FTG needs preparation time, and the FTG that doesn't need prep only goes as fast as how much strength you put into the Kunai while you're throwing it (AKA how long it takes the Kunai to land wherever you threw it).

the kunai doesn't need to land in order to teleport. And minato an just place seals on the ground.
 

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People do realize that jj madara completely shat on minato's ftg right? So did juubito lol. While sasuke blitzed madara twice with it.
 
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