naruto = sasuke just for the moment

[Zavage10]

By portrayal and batle history sasuke has always been better when they fight each other. Its like the inverse of Hashi and Madara.

 

[Troyg39]

Well Sasuke does have a rinnegan, and hasn't used any path abilities or any past rinnegan abilities, which may or may not be restricted to madara only. Sasuke could potentially also learned more chidori variants. Also Sasuke did learn how to use MS techniques rather quickly, after itachi's death to danzo's fight he showed a lot of advanced ms techniques. If naruto didn't have his shadow clone learning program, Sasuke would probably learn more/get better than naruto. Just for Sasuke to use his S/T technique when he hasn't even practiced is a feat imo. Technically both have a lot of potential given the time, but it's up to kishi. I would go further and speculate that sasuke could gain/learn better genjutsu (IT lol) or get his own sage mode, but that's just speculation.

I stand by my statements, both naruto and sasuke just got there new powerups a couple chapters ago . To think they both wouldnt improve greatly with practice is absurd to me . Naruto has not used jutsu collabo with any other bijuu except one and four tails so far , and potentially has a new chakra avatar . Sasuke hasnt really shown any known rinnegan techs yet . They both have room for improvement . As far as sasuke learning quickly he mastered curse mark fast . Jugo and oro complimented him on that .He learned his new ms abilities while fighting kage level ninja . He is quick on the uptake

I'll answer you both.

When I spoke of improvement I was speaking purely on their jutsu, not their overall power. As far as seeing anything totally new that we've never seen before, Naruto is the only one with any real potential in that aspect. Even if Sasuke's Rinnegan allowed for past abilities, we already know of those techniques, so even if they are in his arsenal, they aren't anything new by any standards. We haven't seen what a senjutsu avatar can do, that is something totally new to us. We haven't seen the other rasengan variants Naruto can perform, and since the two he's used so far yielded different effects, natures and abilities, again, this is something totally new to us. Both of these assumed potential abilities are based on logical progression from what we know is possible based on what we've seen. We know Ashura had a special avatar. Naruto being given his abilities by Hagoromo suggests he has this too. We know he can infuse two bijuu chakras with his Rasengan and that one even gives him an added ability (sealing), so that suggests he can do the same with other beasts.

You can not say this for Sasuke. When I spoke of him earlier, I already gave him credit for past Rinnegan techniques as his only real potential based on actual evidence and not speculation only, the same way I give naruto potential credit for his other rasengan variants and avatar. Beyond past Rinnegan, techniques, absolutely nothing suggests that Sasuke has anything new to show us. I'm not saying that he can't get stronger or improve on his already known move set, but the same can be said of Naruto. The reason Naruto slightly edges him in potential is because, as I just explained, there is evidence to support not only growth of old moves, but evidence of new moves we've yet to see done.

My point is most highlighted in Volk's comment.

1st statement: "He could learn chidori variants"
Pure speculation. Beyond his chidori stream, regular chidori, and chidori+weapon combination he once performed with his sword, there is nothing that suggests he has a new variant. Nothing at all besides pure speculation and wishful thinking. It's like saying "Sasuke will learn a new chidori variant because that's what I want to happen", as opposed to Naruto's Rasengan variants, which are predicted due to the fact that he has shown us twice that he can indeed variate his Rasengan with the chakra of a single tailed beast, and since he has yet to use the others, it's a logical assumption based on evidence to say he has other variants.

2nd Statement: "After Itachi's death to Danzo's fight he showed a lot of advanced MS techniques"
During the time frame you specified, he showed only 3 real MS techniques. Susanoo (which Itachi did first), Amaterasu (again, Itachi introduced first), and blaze release (which Itachi also showed us to an extent as well when he put out Amaterasu in his fight with Sasuke) I do not count his genjutsu against Danzo, as it wasn't confirmed that he can actually perform Tsukuyomi, and a simple sharinan genjutsu isn't an MS technique. So this tells us that while yes Sasuke learns fast, he doesn't have a track record of showing us anything totally new. And since there isn't anything to suggest he'll learn something new, it's hard to compare him to Naruto who again, has actual abilities he has not shown that we can point to based on evidence. This also tells us though, that Sasuke is really good at improving his old move set. It's the reason he was able to improve upon Chidori, and the way he was able to improve his blaze release. So like I said before, Sasuke will more than likely hone his current move set as opposed to doing anything too out of the ordinary for him.

3rd Statement: "Just for Sasuke to use his S/T technique when he hasn't even practiced is a feat imo"
I would just like to point out to you that Obito learned his phasing ability (also an MS tech) right after unlocking MS. I mean RIGHT after. So this idea you have that a doujutsu user learning a doujutsu technique quickly is a feat really baffles me.

4th Statement: "I would go further and speculate that sasuke could gain/learn better genjutsu (IT lol) or get his own sage mode"

Perfect way to end. Given everything I detailed, you can see where I drew the line between Naruto and Sasuke as far as speculation vs evidence is concerned. The first part is based on evidence. He said he could probably cancel IT, which means it stands to reason he could learn it. That is fine. The Sage mode part not so much. In fact, it goes against the manga to a degree. If Sasuke could get his own sage mode, Naruto could get his own doujutsu. Senjutsu is meant to be Naruto's signature, as doujutsu is Sasuke's.

Again you two, if you go back to my original comment, I stated that Sasuke and Naruto would likely tie. While Naruto would more than likely learn new jutsu, Sasuke's track record (thank you Volk for helping me to prove this) suggests he's more about quality, and he'll likely improve on his old moves and make them more lethal. We have no idea how because there just aren't any given hints like there are for Naruto, which is why I said Naruto has more potential in adding to his arsenal only, but again his track record says that if he were to train, he would try to improve the old instead of adding anything new, and that preciseness give the same overal potential in strength as Naruto has. Even if he doesn't show any new juubi eye abilities, he's shown more than enough already to hone and improve

 

[blackstar9]

I'll answer you both.

When I spoke of improvement I was speaking purely on their jutsu, not their overall power. As far as seeing anything totally new that we've never seen before, Naruto is the only one with any real potential in that aspect. Even if Sasuke's Rinnegan allowed for past abilities, we already know of those techniques, so even if they are in his arsenal, they aren't anything new by any standards. We haven't seen what a senjutsu avatar can do, that is something totally new to us. We haven't seen the other rasengan variants Naruto can perform, and since the two he's used so far yielded different effects, natures and abilities, again, this is something totally new to us. Both of these assumed potential abilities are based on logical progression from what we know is possible based on what we've seen. We know Ashura had a special avatar. Naruto being given his abilities by Hagoromo suggests he has this too. We know he can infuse two bijuu chakras with his Rasengan and that one even gives him an added ability (sealing), so that suggests he can do the same with other beasts.

You can not say this for Sasuke. When I spoke of him earlier, I already gave him credit for past Rinnegan techniques as his only real potential based on actual evidence and not speculation only, the same way I give naruto potential credit for his other rasengan variants and avatar. Beyond past Rinnegan, techniques, absolutely nothing suggests that Sasuke has anything new to show us. I'm not saying that he can't get stronger or improve on his already known move set, but the same can be said of Naruto. The reason Naruto slightly edges him in potential is because, as I just explained, there is evidence to support not only growth of old moves, but evidence of new moves we've yet to see done.

My point is most highlighted in Volk's comment.

1st statement: "He could learn chidori variants"
Pure speculation. Beyond his chidori stream, regular chidori, and chidori+weapon combination he once performed with his sword, there is nothing that suggests he has a new variant. Nothing at all besides pure speculation and wishful thinking. It's like saying "Sasuke will learn a new chidori variant because that's what I want to happen", as opposed to Naruto's Rasengan variants, which are predicted due to the fact that he has shown us twice that he can indeed variate his Rasengan with the chakra of a single tailed beast, and since he has yet to use the others, it's a logical assumption based on evidence to say he has other variants.

2nd Statement: "After Itachi's death to Danzo's fight he showed a lot of advanced MS techniques"
During the time frame you specified, he showed only 3 real MS techniques. Susanoo (which Itachi did first), Amaterasu (again, Itachi introduced first), and blaze release (which Itachi also showed us to an extent as well when he put out Amaterasu in his fight with Sasuke) I do not count his genjutsu against Danzo, as it wasn't confirmed that he can actually perform Tsukuyomi, and a simple sharinan genjutsu isn't an MS technique. So this tells us that while yes Sasuke learns fast, he doesn't have a track record of showing us anything totally new. And since there isn't anything to suggest he'll learn something new, it's hard to compare him to Naruto who again, has actual abilities he has not shown that we can point to based on evidence. This also tells us though, that Sasuke is really good at improving his old move set. It's the reason he was able to improve upon Chidori, and the way he was able to improve his blaze release. So like I said before, Sasuke will more than likely hone his current move set as opposed to doing anything too out of the ordinary for him.

3rd Statement: "Just for Sasuke to use his S/T technique when he hasn't even practiced is a feat imo"
I would just like to point out to you that Obito learned his phasing ability (also an MS tech) right after unlocking MS. I mean RIGHT after. So this idea you have that a doujutsu user learning a doujutsu technique quickly is a feat really baffles me.

4th Statement: "I would go further and speculate that sasuke could gain/learn better genjutsu (IT lol) or get his own sage mode"

Perfect way to end. Given everything I detailed, you can see where I drew the line between Naruto and Sasuke as far as speculation vs evidence is concerned. The first part is based on evidence. He said he could probably cancel IT, which means it stands to reason he could learn it. That is fine. The Sage mode part not so much. In fact, it goes against the manga to a degree. If Sasuke could get his own sage mode, Naruto could get his own doujutsu. Senjutsu is meant to be Naruto's signature, as doujutsu is Sasuke's.

Again you two, if you go back to my original comment, I stated that Sasuke and Naruto would likely tie. While Naruto would more than likely learn new jutsu, Sasuke's track record (thank you Volk for helping me to prove this) suggests he's more about quality, and he'll likely improve on his old moves and make them more lethal. We have no idea how because there just aren't any given hints like there are for Naruto, which is why I said Naruto has more potential in adding to his arsenal only, but again his track record says that if he were to train, he would try to improve the old instead of adding anything new, and that preciseness give the same overal potential in strength as Naruto has. Even if he doesn't show any new juubi eye abilities, he's shown more than enough already to hone and improve

wow!!!! wall of reply text lol O.K. im going to assume your actually serious . But im not going to type huge wall of text . Ill respond to a few of your false claims . 1st false claim Naruto only one with potential to show something new !?!? Most of naruto arsenal is not original ! Dont be a hypocrite about sasuke ms techs which we know are a clan ability so it wouldnt be totally original . Minato invented rasengan , rasenshuriken is a variant of rasengan . Its rasengan with a nature type added to it . Kakashi said minato tried and failed to add an element to it ( nothing original there) Sage mode jiraya already did that ( nothing original there ) . Perfect Jinn ? killa bee is the original perfect jinn ( nothing original there ). His arsenal rasengan ,and rasengan variants shadow clones , rasenshuriken,and rasenshuriken variants . So you lost credibility with that naruto only one with potential for something new rant . Sasuke has already shown two rinnegan abilities not show by previous rinnegan users ! Before rinnegan sasuke, always displayed new abilities . Kirin vs itachi , flame control vs ay , hawk summon vs danzo, i could go on but you get my point . Anything else i need to debunk ?

 

[Frikid]

Last time i checked, naruto could only make a bigger blue ball in three year time skip.
While Sasuke came out to be op as **** , soloing kage level ninjas

 

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[Turson]

Last time i checked, naruto could only make a bigger blue ball in three year time skip.
While Sasuke came out to be op as **** , soloing kage level ninjas

Its true, but Narutos later trinings were way more fruitful.

 

[Hiraishin Stage 3]

Naruto always had more potential, now he even has the kage bunshin training method with which he can learn faster than anyone

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[Xāvî1]

I think they will always stay equal

 

[Troyg39]

wow!!!! wall of reply text lol O.K. im going to assume your actually serious . But im not going to type huge wall of text . Ill respond to a few of your false claims . 1st false claim Naruto only one with potential to show something new !?!? Most of naruto arsenal is not original ! Dont be a hypocrite about sasuke ms techs which we know are a clan ability so it wouldnt be totally original . Minato invented rasengan , rasenshuriken is a variant of rasengan . Its rasengan with a nature type added to it . Kakashi said minato tried and failed to add an element to it ( nothing original there) Sage mode jiraya already did that ( nothing original there ) . Perfect Jinn ? killa bee is the original perfect jinn ( nothing original there ). His arsenal rasengan ,and rasengan variants shadow clones , rasenshuriken,and rasenshuriken variants . So you lost credibility with that naruto only one with potential for something new rant . Sasuke has already shown two rinnegan abilities not show by previous rinnegan users ! Before rinnegan sasuke, always displayed new abilities . Kirin vs itachi , flame control vs ay , hawk summon vs danzo, i could go on but you get my point . Anything else i need to debunk ?

And dude I'm going to assume you're actually not butthurt. Because it sounds like you are. If you are going to complain about the long text kid, at least read it. Naruto is the only one with any real potential to show us anything new based on evidence. Not simply saying "I hope he shows us something new", "He's shown us something new before" or any speculation statements like that without any substance. It's not about having an original move set. It's about which of the two actually have information foretelling possible feats.

1. Adding the one tailed chakra gave us a rasengan that doubled as a sealing jutsu. It added a completely new element to his arsenal and gave him an entirely different type of move that we otherwise would not have known to be possible for a Rasengan nor Naruto. So again, since we know for a fact that he has chakra from all tailed beasts and that some have different abilities that he can clearly exploit via his Rasengan and give him new abilities he didn't otherwise have, evidence supports the idea that this specific thing will happen. The same can be said of his avatar. As Ashura's successor and being given the body of the sage to equal his counterpart, evidence supports that he has a senjutsu avatar as well. Now tell me what improvements do you speculate Sasuke could have in the future based on evidence that suggests he still has something we haven't seen in action related to his poweups, and then tell me what should specifically happen based on said evidence? Exactly.

2. Sasuke doing a S/T tech is the second time we've seen a sharingan user do that, in addition to his teleportation basically being almost the exact same thing as Tobirama's hirashin; the only difference being the involvement of a seal. Aside from teleportation, what new Rinnegan feat has he shown that we've not seen? Being able to see Limbo world? I'm sure Madara can do that too since he can actually use Limbo shadows. His Rinnegan Susanoo blocking light? What good is that going to do? Is Naruto going to use IT on him?

3. Jiraiya never added a new nature type to Rasengan you poor child. Rasengan +nature shape and form is Rasenshuriken. Naruto is the first and only to do this. That's a manga fact so this lets me know you must be butthurt because you seem too intelligent to rationally say such nonsense.

4. Killa bee never had a chakra Avatar like Naruto's. We had never seen a chakra avatar before Naruto became a perfect jin. Killer Bee could only do a transformation, which we saw Naruto do in part 1 with Boss Toad against Gaara. In fact, Gaara did a similar transformation as well. Again, are you thinking?

5. Flame control was first introduced by Itachi, not Sasuke, when he stopped the supposed "inextinguishable flames" against Sasuke. The Hawk Summon was not the first time we've seen him summon an animal. He summoned Manda prior to that. It was a different summon, but summoning jutsu was already in his arsenal. Going back to Naruto, he never had a sealing jutsu of any kind, but adding chakra from a beast to his Rasengan gave him an entirely new type jutsu, and added a possibility to Rasengan that beforehand you would probably neg rep if someone said was possible due to no evidence provided beforehand. Kirin was your only valid point, and it's a jutsu he's never used since. And during the time he performed Kirin, he couldn't do it on his own. He had to rely on Itachi's Amaterasu.

Bottom line, Sasuke doesn't have anything specific to point to him showing anything slightly new or turning his arsenal into something new, however his track record shows us that he focuses more on honing his current jutsu, whether it be adding more summons to his summoning jutsu, improving blaze release, or strenghening his Susanoo. That is Sasuke's style. He doesn't go too far outside his doujutsu, what with Kirin being the only non-Uchiha related move not even remotely shown by another Uchiha already, but it doesn't matter. Naruto is the one that seeks out new elements to his arsenal. Sasuke is more refined and just hones what he has. Before you say you debunked something....debunk it rather than help to make the point

 

[Howling Fox]

Nah Naruto is stronger and has been since he learn sage mode

 

[TrollKing]

Naruto always had more potential, now he even has the kage bunshin training method with which he can learn faster than anyone

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That means naruto didn't inherent any huge chakra reverse

His potential is the "unlimited" nine tails chakra. Since he has bsm now, he is at his max

 

[Johndoesknowall]

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And dude I'm going to assume you're actually not butthurt. Because it sounds like you are. If you are going to complain about the long text kid, at least read it. Naruto is the only one with any real potential to show us anything new based on evidence. Not simply saying "I hope he shows us something new", "He's shown us something new before" or any speculation statements like that without any substance. It's not about having an original move set. It's about which of the two actually have information foretelling possible feats.

1. Adding the one tailed chakra gave us a rasengan that doubled as a sealing jutsu. It added a completely new element to his arsenal and gave him an entirely different type of move that we otherwise would not have known to be possible for a Rasengan nor Naruto. So again, since we know for a fact that he has chakra from all tailed beasts and that some have different abilities that he can clearly exploit via his Rasengan and give him new abilities he didn't otherwise have, evidence supports the idea that this specific thing will happen. The same can be said of his avatar. As Ashura's successor and being given the body of the sage to equal his counterpart, evidence supports that he has a senjutsu avatar as well. Now tell me what improvements do you speculate Sasuke could have in the future based on evidence that suggests he still has something we haven't seen in action related to his poweups, and then tell me what should specifically happen based on said evidence? Exactly.

2. Sasuke doing a S/T tech is the second time we've seen a sharingan user do that, in addition to his teleportation basically being almost the exact same thing as Tobirama's hirashin; the only difference being the involvement of a seal. Aside from teleportation, what new Rinnegan feat has he shown that we've not seen? Being able to see Limbo world? I'm sure Madara can do that too since he can actually use Limbo shadows. His Rinnegan Susanoo blocking light? What good is that going to do? Is Naruto going to use IT on him?

3. Jiraiya never added a new nature type to Rasengan you poor child. Rasengan +nature shape and form is Rasenshuriken. Naruto is the first and only to do this. That's a manga fact so this lets me know you must be butthurt because you seem too intelligent to rationally say such nonsense.

4. Killa bee never had a chakra Avatar like Naruto's. We had never seen a chakra avatar before Naruto became a perfect jin. Killer Bee could only do a transformation, which we saw Naruto do in part 1 with Boss Toad against Gaara. In fact, Gaara did a similar transformation as well. Again, are you thinking?

5. Flame control was first introduced by Itachi, not Sasuke, when he stopped the supposed "inextinguishable flames" against Sasuke. The Hawk Summon was not the first time we've seen him summon an animal. He summoned Manda prior to that. It was a different summon, but summoning jutsu was already in his arsenal. Going back to Naruto, he never had a sealing jutsu of any kind, but adding chakra from a beast to his Rasengan gave him an entirely new type jutsu, and added a possibility to Rasengan that beforehand you would probably neg rep if someone said was possible due to no evidence provided beforehand. Kirin was your only valid point, and it's a jutsu he's never used since. And during the time he performed Kirin, he couldn't do it on his own. He had to rely on Itachi's Amaterasu.

Bottom line, Sasuke doesn't have anything specific to point to him showing anything slightly new or turning his arsenal into something new, however his track record shows us that he focuses more on honing his current jutsu, whether it be adding more summons to his summoning jutsu, improving blaze release, or strenghening his Susanoo. That is Sasuke's style. He doesn't go too far outside his doujutsu, what with Kirin being the only non-Uchiha related move not even remotely shown by another Uchiha already, but it doesn't matter. Naruto is the one that seeks out new elements to his arsenal. Sasuke is more refined and just hones what he has. Before you say you debunked something....debunk it rather than help to make the point

I'm going to state some points I don't agree with.

Sasuke does have potential to show us new things. I believe you are right that Naruto has more new things that he can show due to the tailed beast in him, but that is it. As in jutsu(new and old) potential, obviously Sasuke has more jutsu potential due to the known fact that rinnegan can master all elements which gives him an edge on mastering all jutsu.

Now for Number 1. Well I believe he will have a perfect Izanagi. All the evidence is there and he even knows the hand seals. He has the Sage's power and a new rinnegan and we have yet to see the perfect Izanagi. This is a logical assumption on one of the new things he could do based on pure evidence.

2. Actually Sasuke can teleport objects and things without actually touching them. Do not state that Tobirama and Sasuke's jutsu are almost the same. Sasuke's is superior. He needs no marks( as you have said), he can teleport himself, weapons, and others at will without physical contact. That in it self leaves some potential that surpasses Tobirama's jutsu. Could he teleport someones attack, his own jutsu, his susanoo(with him in it), etc?

3 and 4 are fine.

Though 5. Flame control AKA Kagetsuchi was first introduced by Sasuke. What we saw from Itachi was how amaterasu can be used and extinguished by the user. Itachi did not have Kagetsuchi. Kagetsuchi is the manipulation of the flames. Being able to manipulate it's shape and form, etc.

You suggesting that Sasuke only hones what he has is wrong. Sasuke has shown some of Orochimaru's jutsu's and also mastered CM. What he did in the 3 years time proves his ability to seek out new jutsu. Yes it is true he hones his skills and such but when you look at it, Sasuke learned two summons, more lightning variations, more katon variations, some of Orochimaru's jutsu, and genjutsu. While Naruto learned to make a bigger rasengan and better control of kyubbi chakra, basically.

 

[Hiraishin Stage 3]

That means naruto didn't inherent any huge chakra reverse

His potential is the "unlimited" nine tails chakra. Since he has bsm now, he is at his max

He has huge chakra reserve even without kurama

 

[blackstar9]

And dude I'm going to assume you're actually not butthurt. Because it sounds like you are. If you are going to complain about the long text kid, at least read it. Naruto is the only one with any real potential to show us anything new based on evidence. Not simply saying "I hope he shows us something new", "He's shown us something new before" or any speculation statements like that without any substance. It's not about having an original move set. It's about which of the two actually have information foretelling possible feats.

1. Adding the one tailed chakra gave us a rasengan that doubled as a sealing jutsu. It added a completely new element to his arsenal and gave him an entirely different type of move that we otherwise would not have known to be possible for a Rasengan nor Naruto. So again, since we know for a fact that he has chakra from all tailed beasts and that some have different abilities that he can clearly exploit via his Rasengan and give him new abilities he didn't otherwise have, evidence supports the idea that this specific thing will happen. The same can be said of his avatar. As Ashura's successor and being given the body of the sage to equal his counterpart, evidence supports that he has a senjutsu avatar as well. Now tell me what improvements do you speculate Sasuke could have in the future based on evidence that suggests he still has something we haven't seen in action related to his poweups, and then tell me what should specifically happen based on said evidence? Exactly.

2. Sasuke doing a S/T tech is the second time we've seen a sharingan user do that, in addition to his teleportation basically being almost the exact same thing as Tobirama's hirashin; the only difference being the involvement of a seal. Aside from teleportation, what new Rinnegan feat has he shown that we've not seen? Being able to see Limbo world? I'm sure Madara can do that too since he can actually use Limbo shadows. His Rinnegan Susanoo blocking light? What good is that going to do? Is Naruto going to use IT on him?

3. Jiraiya never added a new nature type to Rasengan you poor child. Rasengan +nature shape and form is Rasenshuriken. Naruto is the first and only to do this. That's a manga fact so this lets me know you must be butthurt because you seem too intelligent to rationally say such nonsense.

4. Killa bee never had a chakra Avatar like Naruto's. We had never seen a chakra avatar before Naruto became a perfect jin. Killer Bee could only do a transformation, which we saw Naruto do in part 1 with Boss Toad against Gaara. In fact, Gaara did a similar transformation as well. Again, are you thinking?

5. Flame control was first introduced by Itachi, not Sasuke, when he stopped the supposed "inextinguishable flames" against Sasuke. The Hawk Summon was not the first time we've seen him summon an animal. He summoned Manda prior to that. It was a different summon, but summoning jutsu was already in his arsenal. Going back to Naruto, he never had a sealing jutsu of any kind, but adding chakra from a beast to his Rasengan gave him an entirely new type jutsu, and added a possibility to Rasengan that beforehand you would probably neg rep if someone said was possible due to no evidence provided beforehand. Kirin was your only valid point, and it's a jutsu he's never used since. And during the time he performed Kirin, he couldn't do it on his own. He had to rely on Itachi's Amaterasu.

Bottom line, Sasuke doesn't have anything specific to point to him showing anything slightly new or turning his arsenal into something new, however his track record shows us that he focuses more on honing his current jutsu, whether it be adding more summons to his summoning jutsu, improving blaze release, or strenghening his Susanoo. That is Sasuke's style. He doesn't go too far outside his doujutsu, what with Kirin being the only non-Uchiha related move not even remotely shown by another Uchiha already, but it doesn't matter. Naruto is the one that seeks out new elements to his arsenal. Sasuke is more refined and just hones what he has. Before you say you debunked something....debunk it rather than help to make the point

1) Lets get this straight . you claimed since sasuke used ms techs already shown its nothing new . Not only is that false ( kagatsuchi is new ) mentioned other new things as well . No need to repeat myself . Proved your hypocrisy about all of naruto moves being unoriginal . Your making yourself look bias and silly , saying sasuke cant show anything new . He has a rinnegan , sharinnegan whatever you want to call it of course he can show new things . 2) Sasuke tech is not like tobirama and no uchiha has shown a tech like that so ..... 3) i never said jiraya added an element to his rasengan . I said kakashi told naruto rasengan was incomplete, cause minato failed to add an elemental nature . Kakashi told naruto to add wind too it .that was going back to the point i made about naruto techs being unoriginal . 4) I never said bee had a chakra avatar like naruto . Did you read what i said ? 5) itachi doesnt have kagatsuchi !!! extinguishing flames is not kagatsuchi ! Either you didnt really read my replies . Or your reading comprehension is lacking ! Or maybe i dont type well . But clearly you are bias against sasuke ! You claim naruto made a new jutsu when he added wind to an already existing jutsu rasengan . But sasuke didnt make a new jutsu when he added shape manipulation to create enton kagatsuchi ? g.t.f.o.h. with that crazy ass logic . Im not butthurt at all . Just dont try to beat me over the head with bs ! I never disagreed that naruto didnt have more jutsu to use that havent been shown . You and the o.p. kept reffering to the other pieces of bijuu chakra . I agreed with this point . You trying to say sasuke cant create new things is bs and has already been debunked !!! So i guess we will have to agree to disagree on sasuke pasat new jutsu and his potential to make new ones in the future . Cause obviously gaining access to 5 chakra natures means nothing . and showing two new jutsu with the sharinnegan is no reason think he will ever show more !

 

[blackstar9]

I'm going to state some points I don't agree with.

Sasuke does have potential to show us new things. I believe you are right that Naruto has more new things that he can show due to the tailed beast in him, but that is it. As in jutsu(new and old) potential, obviously Sasuke has more jutsu potential due to the known fact that rinnegan can master all elements which gives him an edge on mastering all jutsu.

Now for Number 1. Well I believe he will have a perfect Izanagi. All the evidence is there and he even knows the hand seals. He has the Sage's power and a new rinnegan and we have yet to see the perfect Izanagi. This is a logical assumption on one of the new things he could do based on pure evidence.

2. Actually Sasuke can teleport objects and things without actually touching them. Do not state that Tobirama and Sasuke's jutsu are almost the same. Sasuke's is superior. He needs no marks( as you have said), he can teleport himself, weapons, and others at will without physical contact. That in it self leaves some potential that surpasses Tobirama's jutsu. Could he teleport someones attack, his own jutsu, his susanoo(with him in it), etc?

3 and 4 are fine.

Though 5. Flame control AKA Kagetsuchi was first introduced by Sasuke. What we saw from Itachi was how amaterasu can be used and extinguished by the user. Itachi did not have Kagetsuchi. Kagetsuchi is the manipulation of the flames. Being able to manipulate it's shape and form, etc.

You suggesting that Sasuke only hones what he has is wrong. Sasuke has shown some of Orochimaru's jutsu's and also mastered CM. What he did in the 3 years time proves his ability to seek out new jutsu. Yes it is true he hones his skills and such but when you look at it, Sasuke learned two summons, more lightning variations, more katon variations, some of Orochimaru's jutsu, and genjutsu. While Naruto learned to make a bigger rasengan and better control of kyubbi chakra, basically.

His bias against sasuke is obvious .

 

[Troyg39]

I'm going to state some points I don't agree with.

Sasuke does have potential to show us new things. I believe you are right that Naruto has more new things that he can show due to the tailed beast in him, but that is it. As in jutsu(new and old) potential, obviously Sasuke has more jutsu potential due to the known fact that rinnegan can master all elements which gives him an edge on mastering all jutsu.

Now for Number 1. Well I believe he will have a perfect Izanagi. All the evidence is there and he even knows the hand seals. He has the Sage's power and a new rinnegan and we have yet to see the perfect Izanagi. This is a logical assumption on one of the new things he could do based on pure evidence.

2. Actually Sasuke can teleport objects and things without actually touching them. Do not state that Tobirama and Sasuke's jutsu are almost the same. Sasuke's is superior. He needs no marks( as you have said), he can teleport himself, weapons, and others at will without physical contact. That in it self leaves some potential that surpasses Tobirama's jutsu. Could he teleport someones attack, his own jutsu, his susanoo(with him in it), etc?

3 and 4 are fine.

Though 5. Flame control AKA Kagetsuchi was first introduced by Sasuke. What we saw from Itachi was how amaterasu can be used and extinguished by the user. Itachi did not have Kagetsuchi. Kagetsuchi is the manipulation of the flames. Being able to manipulate it's shape and form, etc.

You suggesting that Sasuke only hones what he has is wrong. Sasuke has shown some of Orochimaru's jutsu's and also mastered CM. What he did in the 3 years time proves his ability to seek out new jutsu. Yes it is true he hones his skills and such but when you look at it, Sasuke learned two summons, more lightning variations, more katon variations, some of Orochimaru's jutsu, and genjutsu. While Naruto learned to make a bigger rasengan and better control of kyubbi chakra, basically.

@1st bold: Never once said he didn't. Was speaking on probability

@2nd bold: Based on track record, this wouldn't likely be the case. I explained this already

@3rd bold: What is perfect Izanagi? Never heard of such being spoken about in the manga. Izanagi has always been stated to either cost you your eye or have some kind of time limit. If you are referring Hagoromo's creation of all things, Sasuke would need Naruto for that since Sasuke has the yin only. Other than that, unless I missed something, a perfect Izanagi is pure speculation and has no manga evidence to support it's existence

@4th bold: Your entire block of text was all over the place here, but I won't get on the entire thing. Hirashin can teleport objects as long as it's somehow connected to chakra. You don't have to have physical contact

@5th bold: He teleported Obito's sticky bomb, his sword and his kunai. Combine this with my response to the 4th bold and clearly the techniques are similar. Sasuke has already surpassed Tobirama, but they still have similar mechanics. Sasuke just doesn't rely on a seal.

@6th/7th bold: When Sasuke first used his right MS, it was against Bee. In which he put amaterasu out. The fact that he used it in his right eye and created amaterasu with his left told us that putting the flame out was apart of his blaze release. Itachi literally did the exact same feat first. Kagetsuchi is a form of blaze release, like water bomb jutsu is a form of water style. It's an improvement on his blaze release. I stated this.

@8th bold: I never suggested that, you have selective reading. I said he is more likely to hone his skills before he adds to his arsenal

@9th bold: Let's compare dude...

Sasuke at an early age trained his shuriken jutsu and fire style to impressive levels before he even awakened his Sharingan. He then trained his sharingan and only attempted to add more after he loss to Lee. Then he improved his speed greatly, reflexes and finally added a move: chidori. CM wasn't something he sought out, it was forced on him. But he sought out Oro to better hone that and get stronger. After the time skip, the only thing he learned new really was summoning. But he drastically improved chidori, his speed, eye prowess, etc. Afterwards, he got MS, which gave him Amaterasu, Susanoo, and genjutsu. He still found time to improve his summoning jutsu ability, and then later improved on Amaterasu, Susanoo, etc. CLEARLY Sasuke is more about honing and refining his moves before just adding more. Power does not equate to number of jutsu with him. He's not Oro

Now for Naruto. He sought out shadow clones in the very first chapter. To this day, his shadow clone fighting style is still more or less create clones, and attack until something happens. Despite not honing it as much as he could, he went ahead and learned other things. He learned to summon a toad and rasengan. Yet he JUST recently learned to do rasengan with one hand, and the difference in strategy when Naruto summons one type of animal is glaring compared to Sasuke who learned to summon two different types and uses more strategy and is more calculated whenever he uses them.

Again, Naruto is more likely to seek new moves before mastering the old. Sasuke is more likely to master the old before just seeking new moves. Absolutely nothing you said refuted this

 

[Troyg39]

1) Lets get this straight . you claimed since sasuke used ms techs already shown its nothing new . Not only is that false ( kagatsuchi is new ) mentioned other new things as well . No need to repeat myself . Proved your hypocrisy about all of naruto moves being unoriginal . Your making yourself look bias and silly , saying sasuke cant show anything new . He has a rinnegan , sharinnegan whatever you want to call it of course he can show new things . 2) tech is not like tobirama and no uchiha has shown a tech like that so ..... 3) i never said jiraya added an element to his rasengan . I said kakashi told naruto rasengan was incomplete, cause minato failed to add an elemental nature . Kakashi told naruto to add wind too it .that was going back to the point i made about naruto techs being unoriginal . 4) I never said bee had a chakra avatar like naruto . Did you read what i said ? 5) itachi doesnt have kagatsuchi !!! extinguishing flames is not kagatsuchi ! Either you didnt really read my replies . Or your reading comprehension is lacking ! Or maybe i dont type well . But clearly you are bias against sasuke ! You claim naruto made a new jutsu when he added wind to an already existing jutsu rasengan . But sasuke didnt make a new jutsu when he added shape manipulation to create enton kagatsuchi ? g.t.f.o.h. with that crazy ass logic . Im not butthurt at all . Just dont try to beat me over the head with bs ! I never disagreed that naruto didnt have more jutsu to use that havent been shown . You and the o.p. kept reffering to the other pieces of bijuu chakra . I agreed with this point . You trying to say sasuke cant create new things is bs and has already been debunked !!! So i guess we will have to agree to disagree on sasuke pasat new jutsu and his potential to make new ones in the future . Cause obviously gaining access to 5 chakra natures means nothing . and showing two new jutsu with the sharinnegan is no reason think he will ever show more !

1. Quote me saying Sasuke can't show anything new. Otherwise hush

2. Hirashin can teleport objects without touching them as long as they are connected to the user's chakra. Sasuke teleported his weapon without touching it. Both techs look like teleportation. Yet there is no similarity....ok. Obito was the first Uchiha with a S/T tech to do teleportation of himself and objects. Yet there is no similarity at all....ok. Are they exactly the same? No. Are there similarities? Obviously

3.

rasenshuriken is a variant of rasengan . Its rasengan with a nature type added to it . Kakashi said minato tried and failed to add an element to it ( nothing original there) Sage mode jiraya already did that ( nothing original there )

Your quote kid.

4. Look kid. You said Bee was the first perfect jin and that Naruto being a perfect jin was unoriginal. While that is true, it was utterly stupid of you to say that to prove a point when Naruto's perfect jin abilities gave him an ability that Bee did not have. But I apologize anyway, because as stupid and irrelevant as your statement was, I was dumb enough to respond to it

5. Kagetsuchi is a form of blaze release, it's not blaze release in itself. That's like saying phoenix flower jutsu is the only form of fire style. Flame manipulation covers more than just Kaetsuchi. Yasaka Magatama is also a form of blaze relase. I said flame manipulation was introduced by Itachi. Again, quote me saying otherwise, or hush. Also, learn what you are talking about. The first time Sasuke used his right MS eye was against Bee, in which he put out amaterasu. Blaze release is in his right eye. The exact same thing Itachi did. Sasuke just later improved his blaze release beyond what Itachi could do.

6. Quote me saying that or hush.

7. Again, never said that. When I referred to potential to show anything new, I simply stated that currently Naruto is the one wit more real potential to do anything new. The idea that Sasuke never learns anything new or that it's impossible for him to currently do so was never introduced by me. You were just too butthurt and defensive for nothing and took my words as something negative. I never said Naruto has more of an original move set either.

I pose the same question I asked you before. What specifically do you think Sasuke will show new that we haven't seen based on evidence given about his new abilities? You can't answer that because nothing suggests he will even NEED to show anything new. We KNOW Naruto can at least add other bijuus to his moves and his chakra avatar. We have no idea what to speculate with Sasuke. And as I explained, Sasuke is more the type to hone what he has rather than do something completely new and outside of his arsenal. Naruto has a history of learning moves before he even gets decent with the old. Damn he JUST learned a one handed Rasengan in this war. None of this says Sasuke can't show anything new. It says that he doesn't need to and his track record shows us that he'll improve on what he has likely before we see anything completely new for him.

 

[blackstar9]

1. Quote me saying Sasuke can't show anything new. Otherwise hush

2. Hirashin can teleport objects without touching them as long as they are connected to the user's chakra. Sasuke teleported his weapon without touching it. Both techs look like teleportation. Yet there is no similarity....ok. Obito was the first Uchiha with a S/T tech to do teleportation of himself and objects. Yet there is no similarity at all....ok. Are they exactly the same? No. Are there similarities? Obviously

3.
Your quote kid.

4. Look kid. You said Bee was the first perfect jin and that Naruto being a perfect jin was unoriginal. While that is true, it was utterly stupid of you to say that to prove a point when Naruto's perfect jin abilities gave him an ability that Bee did not have. But I apologize anyway, because as stupid and irrelevant as your statement was, I was dumb enough to respond to it

5. Kagetsuchi is a form of blaze release, it's not blaze release in itself. That's like saying phoenix flower jutsu is the only form of fire style. Flame manipulation covers more than just Kaetsuchi. Yasaka Magatama is also a form of blaze relase. I said flame manipulation was introduced by Itachi. Again, quote me saying otherwise, or hush. Also, learn what you are talking about. The first time Sasuke used his right MS eye was against Bee, in which he put out amaterasu. Blaze release is in his right eye. The exact same thing Itachi did. Sasuke just later improved his blaze release beyond what Itachi could do.

6. Quote me saying that or hush.

7. Again, never said that. When I referred to potential to show anything new, I simply stated that currently Naruto is the one wit more real potential to do anything new. The idea that Sasuke never learns anything new or that it's impossible for him to currently do so was never introduced by me. You were just too butthurt and defensive for nothing and took my words as something negative. I never said Naruto has more of an original move set either.

I pose the same question I asked you before. What specifically do you think Sasuke will show new that we haven't seen based on evidence given about his new abilities? You can't answer that because nothing suggests he will even NEED to show anything new. We KNOW Naruto can at least add other bijuus to his moves and his chakra avatar. We have no idea what to speculate with Sasuke. And as I explained, Sasuke is more the type to hone what he has rather than do something completely new and outside of his arsenal. Naruto has a history of learning moves before he even gets decent with the old. Damn he JUST learned a one handed Rasengan in this war. None of this says Sasuke can't show anything new. It says that he doesn't need to and his track record shows us that he'll improve on what he has likely before we see anything completely new for him.

why dafuq you keep calling me kid ? im probably older then you . clearly we are miscommunicating here . im not going retype everything i already typed . So we will agree to disagree about sasuke . we both agree mostly about naruto .

 

[Troyg39]

why dafuq you keep calling me kid ? im probably older then you . clearly we are miscommunicating here . im not going retype everything i already typed . So we will agree to disagree about sasuke . we both agree mostly about naruto .

I'm only 22, so you may or may not be older I don't know or care. Probably not because "dafuq" is a term people around my age don't use as often as younger people. It doesn't really matter, where I'm from, "kid" is no different than calling you "man", "dude", "bro", "dawg" etc, so it's ok for you to be offended, but it's not meant to be offensive. Yes we will chalk this up to a misunderstanding because I'm sure we're both tired of reading the other tell us about things we either didn't say or don't believe

 

[ShiroT]

Actually Sasuke tons of untapped potential himself,he has'nt even began to tap into the powers of his new eye aside from that S/T technique.

maybe there isnt anything else to the eye