Current Kakashi vs old alive hiruzen

[DMT]

Old Hiruzen had clearly been able to hold his own against Orochimaru and 2 former hokage


Kakashi w/ sharingan got his ass kicked by kakuzu

 

[VongolaX]

He can use all those jutsus regardless if he has sharingan or not. They are already part of his arsenal

Well how do we know this?

I want to be fully assured...

He did copy Zabuza to get suiton and Sasuke copied Kakashi to get raikiri.

Is there a scan or...?

 

[LuckyMan]

Hiruzen wins this low difficulty. Enma alone can defeat Kakashi.

 

[VongolaX]

Sorry I made you cry, I'll go out and get you some cream for your butt.

Still an idiot, nothing will ever change that slapd*ck.

F*cking retard it swear, got nothing productive to post....

Then log f*ck out

 

[Bogard]

Old Hiruzen had clearly been able to hold his own against Orochimaru and 2 former hokage


Kakashi w/ sharingan got his ass kicked by kakuzu

Orochimaru who wasn't even trying and 2 former Hokage as weak as normal jounins.

Kakuzu without the jiongu technique survived a fight against Hashirama

Not to mention Kakashi was holding back his kamui against him and spent all his time saving his partner's ass during the entire time. His partners were more hindering him than actually assisting him

 

[VongolaX]

Sorry I made you cry, I'll go out and get you some cream for your butt.

Still an idiot, nothing will ever change that slapd*ck.

F*cking retard, got nothing productive to post....

Then log f*ck out

 

[Gold Lightning]

Well how do we know this?

I want to be fully assured...

He did copy Zabuza to get suiton and Sasuke copied Kakashi to get raikiri.

Is there a scan or...?

Where is the scan that says Kakashi obtained water style after copying Zabuza. Because all I remember is Kakashi copying his water dragon and water vortex. Just because he copied specific techniques doesn't mean he didn't have water style before.

We saw Kakashi use water wall against itachi, so show keep where he copied that from.

 

[Bogard]

Well how do we know this?

I want to be fully assured...

He did copy Zabuza to get suiton and Sasuke copied Kakashi to get raikiri.

Is there a scan or...?

All his techniques were copied besides raikiri(according to Gai). We've seen him using jutsus without Sharingan during the first bell test against Sasuke and co. Sharingan only helps to analyse the workings of techniques. When you already know how a technique works, Sharingan is no longer needed. So all of them are already part of Kakashi's arsenal

 

[Gold Lightning]

Still an idiot, nothing will ever change that slapd*ck.

F*cking retard, got nothing productive to post....

Then log f*ck out

I hurt you real bad huh? U Mad as he'll XD.

Not my fault you don't know what you're talking about. Kakashi losing an element because he lost sharingan LOL

 

[VongolaX]

All his techniques were copied besides raikiri(according to Gai). We've seen him using jutsus without Sharingan during the first bell test against Sasuke and co. Sharingan only helps to analyse the workings of techniques. When you already know how a technique works, Sharingan is no longer needed. So all of them are already part of Kakashi's arsenal

Ya, so if they were all copied...

Wouldn't you need the sharingan to manifest the Justu?

He'll still have his 3 affinity, but when he used Doton against pain he had his sharingan out.

Strangely enough he didn't have it when against Sasuke.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Ya, so if they were all copied...

Wouldn't you need the sharingan to manifest the Justu?

He'll still have his 3 affinity, but when he used Doton against pain he had his sharingan out.

Strangely enough he didn't have it when against Sasuke.

Doesn't know filler from canon XD

 

[Kamui Sama]

Ya, so if they were all copied...

Wouldn't you need the sharingan to manifest the Justu?

He'll still have his 3 affinity, but when he used Doton against pain he had his sharingan out.

Strangely enough he didn't have it when against Sasuke.

scans of sharingan storing copied jutsu? lol

 

[BenjerminGaye]

He copied it....

(Not 100% on Doton) but he copied the Justus, he doesn't have the sharingan anymore.

He used sharingan to learn it. He doesn't lose the knowledge of said tech's

 

[VongolaX]

scans of sharingan storing copied jutsu? lol

He copied suiton from Zabuza, no info on Doton, and raikiri he always had.

So that's 3 affineties

Don't know specifically what else you are asking.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

He copied suiton from Zabuza, no info on Doton, and raikiri he always had.

So that's 3 affineties

Don't know specifically what else you are asking.

So you wanna explain how he used head Hunter against sauce without his sharingan activated? I'll wait.

 

[VongolaX]

So you wanna explain how he used head Hunter against sauce without his sharingan activated? I'll wait.

I just explained that in my post with Tboarg.

So go read it

 

[ATD]

Tired of these current Kakashi threads. We don't even know how he fights yet. Has his stamina increased due to loss of sharingan? Can he move more freely? Can he still use lightning blade effectively?

There's literally no point in discussing.

Of course he has more chakra to use because the sharingan doesn't drain his chakra constantly. This leads automatically to more stamina, the reason why kakashi always was exhausted was due to sharingan ( no uchiha = even more chakradrain )
I made the threat because i want to know how strong kakashi still is, he has all his past feats except kamui, sharingan genjutsu, copying and seeing better through attacks of the opponent, but he is still fast, intelligent,fast handsigns and has an arsenal of many useful jutsus.
he can use raikiri because he used it at age 12 but it wasn't perfect. meanwhile he should be able to use it well even without sharingan but the stab itself won't be as fast as with sharingan.
I think he has still good chances keeping up with hiruzen maybe defeating him.
I don't like the actual op match ups, in this fight tactic and strategy will be the key for victory.

 

[ATD]

Hiruzen wins this low difficulty. Enma alone can defeat Kakashi.

Enma alone ? emma lacks of speed if i remember correctly, plus kakashis dog summons can hold him for a while.
lightning dog will catch and paralyze him after that kakashi throws a kunai with raiton so powerful like in the last chapters when he was saving obito. Kakashis speed is underrated.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

I just explained that in my post with Tboarg.

So go read it

So wait. He needs his sharingan to...as you so eloquently put it"manifest" his copied jutsu yet he didn't use it for headhunter, substitution, shadow clone...

Dat logic.

 

[Bronze]

Kakashi still maintains his elemental arsenal. With Raiton, he can paralyse, cut Enma and Hiruzen: [

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