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Sasuke is a very very interesting character
Team 7 is very interesting with different people with different personalities
Naruto is unique in that, he is a preacher and an action-man
Part 1 Neji pre-tnj is the most annoying arrogant brat in manga history
Sakura annoys me to no end
Rock lee is annoying as hell with his constant 'is that right, Gai-sensei? ' comments
 

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Every sword Kishimoto draw with the exception of Sasuke's are lame
 

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Kakashi could solo (Non edo EMS)Madara if he had his sharingan
 

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Sasuke will defeat Madara
Naruto has no and has never shown feelings for Hinata (But fans expect him too in the end.)
Hurizen was scared of Danzo by letting him get away with all that crap
Itachi is a Mary Sue
Minato's Sage Mode was an asspull.
 

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Sasuke fanboys make me feel disgusted. especially when they call him "lord Sasuke". Makes me cringe like ****.

Tobirama is very powerfull, but he didn't get time to shine (shame on you kishi).

Obito with double kamui is invincible.

Itachi could surpass Madara if he wanted to.

BSM Naruto >>> EMS Sasuke.

RBSM Naruto > Rinnegan Sasuke.
 
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Sasuke fanboys make me feel disgusted. especially when they call him "lord Sasuke". Makes me cringe like ****.

Luke 23:34 But Jesus was saying, "Father, forgive them; for they do not know what they are doing."
 

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No you didn't does that mean you are also amongst the members who overrate speed?
What i actually meant was "speed blitz gg" is not the entire factor in NV. Lee was way faster than Gaara but he lost the battle. A was way faster than Sasuke but still lost an arm. Minato can lose characters slower than him. Kimimaro was faster than Gaara but he took attacks from him.

Of course speed matters and can be end game depending on the matchup, but not the sole thing as many claim.

I guess many people think gated Lee is a slowpoke which is quite sad.

Considering people think he can't dodge a suiton from Darui, yeah.
It is due to lack of paneltime, because of that general assumption is he magically did not improve at all.
 

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What i actually meant was "speed blitz gg" is not the entire factor in NV. Lee was way faster than Gaara but he lost the battle. A was way faster than Sasuke but still lost an arm. Minato can lose characters slower than him. Kimimaro was faster than Gaara but he took attacks from him.

Of course speed matters and can be end game depending on the matchup, but not the sole thing as many claim.



Considering people think he can't dodge a suiton from Darui, yeah.
It is due to lack of paneltime, because of that general assumption is he magically did not improve at all.
I agree with most of what you posted in this thread. As for Lee, I don't see how gated Lee isn't a top tier speedster when base Lee himself has above average speed compared to most characters. Gates have been shown and implied to boost speed and strength exponentially so it is hard to deal with gate users.
 

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the rasengan is a creative an innovative jutsu because since it's a ball of chakra it has the potential to add any element to it
 

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  • Kishimoto's attempts to portray Danzou as an antihero are ridiculous. He was a huge detriment to the well being of the village; he doesn't fufill the 'hero' part of antihero.
  • The Uchiha's response to years of oppression and discrimination is completely human. They're clan was on the brink of extinction and they tried to do the only thing that they could to prevent that.
  • Itachi's actions were completely selfish and barbaric. Itachi failed to understand the Uchiha perspective despite him knowing how oppressed they were.
  • Sasuke is the best written character in this manga; Sasuke is the only character who responds to his environment in a realistic manner.
  • Naruto has a messiah complex which makes his character terrible.
  • I find it quite insulting that Kishimoto ignores the fact that Naruto has yet to come up with an answer for how peace should be achieved.
  • Itachi is terribly written character.

I wish i could rep you, but I'll have to spread it around. I'll rephrase those in my words, as I agree with all of them wholeheartedly:

- Sasuke's characterization is a stuff of Classical Tragedies. His MS persona and the descent into the maw of madness was the point where this manga touched the pinnacle of verisimilitude. Hamartia amounts to his unknowing actions against Itachi and Catharsis are the effects of his characterization.

There is not a character who is better penned and thought out than Sasuke in this manga. One can easily pen a thesis on his conflicts alone - something all characters drastically fall short of. He fulfills the literary merits of great characterization as a character and that isn't an opinion - it's a literary fact.

- Kishimoto's horrid attempts at creating some sort of justification for Danzo's heroic ideals were insipid and bereft of reasoning. He was a man plagued by evil in every sense of the word. His death was poetic justice.

- Sasuke should have burned Konoha to the ground. This establishment has stood strong through underhanded tactics of its Root Division and its wars have cost many their lives and families. Wiping it clean off the map would have served justice to all those families wronged by its ruthless leanings and the Will of Fire is such a shenanigan that mantles an ugly face of its politics. This ideal is meant to be abolished rather than glorified through Naruto's ludicrous speeches.

- The Uchiha Coup was completely justified. After years of segregation and marginalization as a group with full rights within the political set up, they deserved an equal share within the Militia Regime - after all, they were the founding fathers and who is better to take the reins than the founders?

- Itachi was a barbaric man who personifies The Transcendent Evil in man, brought out by clinging desperately onto Jingoism. He is one of the worst written characters in the manga, as he simply presents an ideal of Nationalism which is nothing more than indoctrinated garbage.

Whoever finds this man well-written must have no sense of freewill or free thinking within himself. He was just a foil to a sham of a government, and he was a foil till the very end. His mystic philosophies are downright laughable. As for someone who has delved into them, he presents an ultimate form of Irony, given that he could never understand the reality and his own tethered existence - something he died defending and even after death couldn't bring himself to let it go.

Such a man shouldn't venture anything about reality, as it eludes his grasp.

- Naruto and Minato are two of the most horrible written characters in this manga. Empty and Devoid of any qualities, they are merely mock-heroes to me with no other purpose to serve than to be irrelevant with their ironic speeches or platitudes given the system they serve.

I don't find a single relatable factor to them. Paper thin, pointless, and redundant - that's what defines then. Pull them out and replace them with someone of a different name and even he / she can fill the role just as easily. Naruto's bull-charging peace mongering speeches are immature and a stuff of garbage and so is Minato's entire rubbish persona.

- Tobirama should have been kept alive to some point and persecuted for his disgusting policies. That would have given a layered view to this manga that is in need of some plot variation and positivity in terms of political corruption. This man defines the evil of political system as it's he whose policies were undertaken with care by Danzo and the Elders.

Why is he glorified given the fact that he whined about the Uchihas till he actually sank both of his feet within his rightful grave. His speeches on Uchihas' loyalty are ironic and pitifully self-servicing given that it's his mess the world is cleaning now. He vilified the actual factors behind the treaty, breached it by not giving an equal share to the Founding Clan, he set principles were children would end up killing themselves to becomes Ninjas.

And yet, I see this man's ugliness being consecrated. What a disgusting little wench this guy was - forever a whiner.
 

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Man i like such threads...

OT: Danzo and Itachi were the same jack to me.

Lee and Suigetsu will have a fight at some point of manga.

Naruto and Sasuke will lose their powers at some point.

Hinata has personality, characterization and physical attiributes of a blow-up doll. Ooops.

A is an unitelligent dimwit with no sensibility. Why would this guy be a leader?

Tnj ruined these characters:
-gaara
-obito
-nagato
-neji

Neji was fighting against destiny before stucking up to tnj. Naruto made him pup for Hinata.

Kisame's death was the best one. Someone died like a ninja atleast.

Lee vs Gaara was one of the best written battles in manga. Action, emotions, surprise factor, character development etc. were in adequate doses.

I don't understand why people believe in Naruto. I really don't.

Kankuro is the lamest character. I don't even dislike him.

There are only 2 characters with pure goals. Guess them.

Naruto is not a good example for an underdog risen from lowest. He had everything in golden plate, but the plate was hidden.

Long range > close range myth is overused.

Minato's sage mode was a fan bait.

Gai can beat alive Minato in 1 vs 1.

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Probably come up with more later.
 

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How the entire manga has gone down hill ever since the Pein arc.

Mangekyo Sharingan was good because it was OP, but had a weakness (blindness) Then there is a stupid hax fix that makes it eternal with virtually no weakness.

Sharingan was "rare" to awaken in the Uchiha clan, but apparently Obito's laboratory has like 100 of them...

Hinata IS a stalker and a die hard Naruto fangirl WORSE than Sakura/Karin/Ino to Sasuke but she get's no hate like them...

I find Konohamaru irritating as shit!

Minato dying with Yin Kurama in him then in the Shiki Fujin, get's Edo Tensei'd and has the chakra... like WTF!? After that with no effort on his part, not suffering ANY hate for being a Jinchuuriki and certainly not battling Kurama he is able to slip into Chakra Mode. This irked me so much! Especially when I hoped it was a Naruto only special thing...

The alliance b!tching about running out of Chakra after Naruto gave them all a cloak. WTF, it's like not even their Chakra and they b!tch about it!

Most of the alliance did NOTHING but still had like no Chakra left... I know they fought some Zetsu before hand but sheesh, Naruto ended up doing most of that.

Didn't really like Kishi adding the K11 (What's left) to Naruto's tails and giving them Rasengan, but I can deal with it, it's not that big a deal.

The Juubi being the Shinju, that was probably the biggest let down and most stupid part of the plot.
 
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1. Itachi is shit

2. Naruto >> DBZ

3. Naruto is fine in it's current state and hasn't went downhill, that seems to be very unpopular these days
 

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Konan is overrated to the bones
Like I bet people get off to her
 
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the way obito got defeated was done so cheesy.

anyhow i'm just glad we're past that hurdle.
 

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I don't like Itachi.
I like Obito being Tobi. At first I was hesitant, but it sunk in and I absolutely love it. Obito's my favorite Naruto villain or atleast top 3.
I dislike the sage and all the BS with him.
I dislike Madara.
The entire war arc has been bad. Much potential, but nothing delivered. The war arc has been the worst arc in Naruto and has hurt Naruto as a whole.
I ship Naruto with Sasuke.
 
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